The Problem With London New Builds...
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- In this episode I install a new socket point and repair a new extractor fan in a new build property in East London.
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Yes! Three days in a row of delroy! What a week.
Haha could be four days or more... Watch this space
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I can't believe that wiring in the kitchen passed inspection, it's what you would expect from a DIY job.
Actually it looked more like a ‘pressurised contractor cowboy’ job. In my experiences for work of this scale, if they are undertaken my a ‘DIY’ tend to be a lot neater as they care about their property. I am not saying they will do it more quickly as a professional but they will certainly take much longer than a cowboy. The labels of professional, cowboy, and DIY are too general to be useful.😉
I'm a DIY'r and I would never do something like this. If water ever got in there (i got 3 kids so its only a matter of time) it would be a bad day.
Something like this I would mount inside the cupboard and at least 100mm off the ground. Fused isolator and everything so that I can shut it off in an emergency or when doing remedial work.
@@_retrogamer999 Mounting sockets in cupboards drives me insane. It's really bad future planning for anyone who needs to replace the unit. It's unnecessary. There is always a better location.
@@stepbackandthink that is true there is most likely a better location but I've had my kitchen for about 15 years and never had to replace a unit. So it works for me
Standards and regulations get loosened. Installations used to be done by licensed electricians. They're now done on the cheap by contractors supervised by licensed sparkies. Not quite the same thing.
Building inspection has increasingly become self regulated and corrupt.
My perspective is from Australia so I could be way off.
Nice work. I share your dissatisfaction with new build quality. It’s all speed I guess
I admire your tact and diplomacy regarding the standard of work you find. I did not believe my eyes when you showed the MESS under the plinth.
hard to believe isn't it? that's the standard I'd expect from completely untrained tenants of a flat. Even generic builders should be able to do way better !
Yes, disgusting and lazy, it's a new build so there's no excuse for it, I wouldn't like to be tidying up that mess if the washing machine pops a gasket sometime in the future.
It was a new build, the sockets should have been fitted to the wall BEFORE the units went in.
As for the fan; looking around where I live, I think most architects of new builds qualified at the lego school of architecture.
@@alhughes9698 Well if they were mounted to the walls before the units were fitted, they could do cut outs at the back to fit them through. As new builds they would have known what was going where. Having cables in cupboards under sinks or under units with trailing cables is just complete shit. There is no excuse for a new build.
They probably gave zero thought to it and called the electrician in to make sense of it after everything was fitted, though the fan control inside the trunking would suggest that the "electrician", was even more disinterested in doing a good job than the architect.
You're not being fussy.
That is downright unacceptable for a property built in the last 10 years.
There are so many regs and managers needed nowadays because someone's mind has said that wiring is perfectly ok.
Great video, where was this, looks like either the bow or isle of dogs area.
Thumbs up.
When you retire I hope you get into voice acting work 👌🏼😂
Yikes. Dishwasher next to sockets just dumped on the floor. Because dishwashers never just quietly leak weeks before anybody notices obviously - those floorboards and the plinth will hide a lot of water. Yeah RCDs etc, but, still objectively nuts and must surely be illegal? At least attach them to a wall in some way - or better yet have sockets on the wall as part of the building design... This is why people should use professional snaggers.
Brilliant down to earth guy brilliant
Just thrown in with no care what so ever! How can they sleep at night, not even taking pride in their work🤬
If you don't mind, how much have you charged them for a job like that?
£100 to £175 ?
@@zjzozn in London?????? You having a laugh
@@zjzozn lol I'm from the states and that might be the cost for the fan I would say for everything 500 pounds??
No pride in their work. And the times you come across a fan and ducting that doesn’t go anywhere.
Pointed this out on a new build and they said one of the electrician's must've knocked it off. ( And filled the hole or removed roof tile) 😂
Hay
What happened with the fan and all that woodworking you cut away ??
Did you find out? I wanted to see how he fixed it.
Im assuming he would have fitted a plastic access panel maybe..
Another nice video Delroy !
You'll find those connections would be done with an impact driver as per 2000's+ new build standards
I know what you mean with new builds, they are just thrown in, I know exactly where that is , Copperfield Road next to Mile End Park, it's where I grew up but live 100 miles away now.
Your route for the new socket in the kitchen, was that within the zones? Just after some advice.
Good video mate, keep up the work
That’s exactly the same question I had after watching the video
The finishing lines for the silicone in the bathroom is terrible.
Wtf!!!!! When you panned down to under the cooker!!!!!! A nervous laugh burst out!!!!!
No not to fussy, you just take pride in doing things right. Some people just want to do things fast.
Can't beat an Appleby!!
Shocking install regards to the fan in particular. How the fuck is that not accessible!!! Ridiculous install. If the neutral broke was that the reason why the fan wasn't working? Didn't need to remove fan then? New build today are shocking tbh. Just get it built speeds everything it seems. Rough as fuck!!
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I've been in hundreds of these new builds/refurbishments and there is NO FUCKING WAY I'd ever buy one. The quality is garbage and the faults are endless.
Delroy you must have the patience of a Saint dealing with the poor designs, not designed with maintenance in mind.
Price work just lashed in. So much poor workmanship in many of the new builds since 2000.
what a nightmare scenario to take on. This is sadly what is happening with large scale contracts, bonus chasing, and incompetent clerk of works, etc. When sparks like us go into these situations our first thoughts are horror and disbelief. Keep up the good work Delroy and believe me e have all faced crap previous installations like this every other day sadly.
I wonder if the organization was a member of certified bodies such as Niciec or Nappit or whoever and where the original installation sheets are now held?
Horrid suspicion it was a Qualified Assessor model where the firm was certified, who knows who throwing the stuff in, then one chap with a megger do get a sheet of test results and that's it, cert to client and eventually get paid.
Do you know why that flat have this type of problem because agencies do not want to pay good money . Agencies paying only £120 to electrical improver this is not attractive money . So agencies call electrical labourers and they act like electrician and end of the day, electrical labourers has done this type of shit work.
Bish bash boshers for you, no pride in doing it neatly. Cheap fixtures to maximise profit
C2 ? In the event of a flood. Got called out to an air BNB the other day kitchen fitter had done the same thing. Full of water following a leak...
Some people Eh!
What a bloody mess that is embarrassing.All those cables amateurs or not trained properly.
Really?? Cables run in zones!!
Yeah for a new build Delroy that’s not acceptable having the sockets just chucked underneath and the fan and controls not being accessible don’t meet the regs, great to see all these posts lately ! look forward to next video
Another informative video delroy keep up the good work
It seems like these new builds are built faster and faster. I lived in one for a few weeks. It had really bad sound insulation inside,
Seen guys 2nd fix using impact drivers to save time. Race to the bottom trying to get these done on price work. Yeah not a fan of new builds either
I think everyone wants a tight fit box ;)
appalling install in my opinion. The whole point of professionals and standards is to at the very least have consistent , neat and tidy installs where everything is affixed to a surface.
When doing any qualification in a technical trade such as electrical installation , they spend so much time emphasising and testing that you bend cable by only the correct radius (also conduit) and tack the exact amount of cable tacks.
If we don't keep the basics consistent then what's the point of professionals?
There is also a small but real risk of flooding under washing machines.
It’s always easy to criticise what someone has done before, but we have to be careful as we don’t know the history of the job. The spark may have first fixed the installation and left to go onto another project. They then get a call from the main contractor to come and final fix only to find all the kitchen units have been installed. They are then left with few options to carry out a perfect job. I am not excusing bad workmanship, but its easy to criticise. Also many main contractors do not use qualified electricians to carry out works, most certification has few actual test results, with the rest being made up. I know of a 9 storey office building in London which had EVERY result made up, and was carried out by a major company.
The new build apartments I've worked on the fan units were put about the hot water cylinder cupboard above a tile suspended ceiling.
yeah where they can be maintained, this is madness, if you can't access an inline fan then don't put one in, its not difficult.
Because if you are just a normal spark working for a company we get about £12 ph so why should we care and take pride blah blah
Del your the Man
Cheers Dany
You are the old school many are not.
Shit quality build..
Is that even to code in the UK, I don't think Hidden plugs could pass code here in the US.
It doesn't look code.
Wow are these sockets allowable by code in the UK? Not in Canada. Your right they should be fixed to a wall with the Romex in the wall. I say romex which is wall wiring in Canada but may be different in the UK. If you attach wiring to furniture, it must be inspected and approved by Canadian Standards Association as it’s electrical fabrication. What they look for is exactly what you look for plus because manufacturers try to same money at the expense of safety.
It's no just the electrical installations that are ropey in new builds, the plumbing is no better.
Was that new cable in the zone?
Now this is how those cowboys get away with such shoddy workmanship. I have done some DIY but would never be happy with that lash-up under the washing machine.
I know how you feel about those boxes, I had to replace 3 of them when I did some upgrades. They are awful, they just don't grip correctly or destroy the plasterboard.
Unfortunately the prices are so low, they rush and have no pride
Really good fast fix box's leroy if you work for a company the workers don't realise how much work goes into to your efforts
You're not being fussy and yes those sockets are a bit dangerous, twin & earth isn't flex.
Appleby
The problem with modern homes is there is no permanent live in the ceiling. So when you are upgrading Smoke alarms its a pain fishing up from the switch hitting noggins.
DelRoy I’m sure if you will do inspection and testing of this installation. You will realise all installation needs again inspection and testing.
That looks terrible how can that have been checked trouble is theres so many electrians out with all the gear but no idea great insight all the best
Crap workmanship, should be floor mounted, cables underneath, lazy
Be ok if the sink leaks or the washing machine etc they can all get wet through on the floor
Too many ads, it’s spoiling the view experience
your reply to my comment (doesn't seem to show here) telling me not to watch is a great idea, i have unsubscribed
Who cares🤷♂️
If it were not for a few slight differences I cld have thought this was the USA new build of row houses as well as always just a pond between us 😉😷
Real world sparkin' in my old area :) A messy installation; probably price-work originally leading to time loss issues when you have to do any follow-up work. Well done for staying patient.
Just started watching Delroy in the last week and he seems to approach his work like a wise old Zen master, identify the problem, consider the best solution then plan the work and work the plan and yes, patience is a virtue.
new construction work awarded to the cheapest bidder
I don't know the reg off the top of my head, but I remember an old lecturer telling me years ago, in the very front of the regs book there is a statement along the lines that: "All works shall be installed correctly and to a professional standard." Which pretty much covers and negates any argument about crappy work not being "against the regs". Leaving sockets loose and mountains of unsecured cable under a kitchen cabinet is totally un-professional.
That's correct. In section 1 if I remember correctly it mentions something that good workmanship and installation practices are to be used.
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I mil should only be used in lighting circuits as they have low demand. any socket could have a 2 to 4 kilowatt heater plugged into them, they should have at the least two mil.
Sr if every time a technician has to perform such a "damage" to repair an artifact, it only means that the original assembly leaves much to be desired at least
I wonder if they're using Part P "certified" (cough cough) installers. Someone who turns up, completes a 5 day mickey mouse course and now they've got a piece of paper says they "know electrics". Saves the building contractor a ton of money over employing real sparks for the bits they "don't need" a real sparks to do and their arse is covered cos the installer's got a piece of paper.
No way on a 5 days course can you get a decent trade background knowledge to know what do to, why you're doing it and how to figure out what to do in X unusual scenario; relevant trade experience to know what's right and not right just at a glance; and the ingrained habit to do the right thing even when you're cold/tired/hungry/hungover. Not to mention pride in the job -- spend several years hard graft at an apprenticeship and you want to be the best you can. 5 days in a classroom? "Meh, that'll do, I'm only on a tenner an hour and the gaffer's telling me to get a wiggle on."
100% Correct,Part P a load of bollocks,now everyone's an 'expert'.
Is that cable run up the wall to the double socket in a zone?
These are great videos Delroy thanks
Who will fix the wall and ceiling?
Some poor bugger.
Who cares!! Does he look like a decorator?!
What the heck is going on there!?
Looks like copper field rd e3
No Capping?
Great job.👍
Cheers Andrew
That Mile End Del?
I do like this guy but that cable you've installed is definitely out of zone 😅
A lot of the time people put a ring circuit in the cupboard controlling a bank of dp switches and the run single t&e to each appliance and put a socket if that is what was there you have added another socket to a spur from a ring and also run new cable outside of zone
Strap banding holding the the fan up lol
I wonder whether the fan not working had anything to do with the duff light next to it as a lot of fans use the lighting switched line to operate the the fan. with that globe not being on ??
Can’t believed that passed surely there must also have been an inspection prior to sale? The work is atrocious. It puts you in a difficult position doing remedial work. I would keep practicing with the torque screwdrivers you will get used to doing it. Isn’t torquing an 18th edition requirement so not doing it means you go against standard. You will be surprised how far you can be off just on feel, even if you have done for 20-30 years.
Trouble is Delroy there's no pride in the work these days, all done by foreign trades who concentrate on speed rather than quality
That’s some fish holes you smashed there Delroy. Don’t they sell holesaws down your way?