Which paper for Black and White photos?
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- Опубліковано 27 лип 2024
- Lustre, Matte or Glossy? Which Paper Is Best For Your Black and White Photograph ? What's the difference ? And How do you choose which paper is the best way to print your black and white photos on ?
When you think about printing your photograph do you know which paper is best? Do you ask 'Lustre or Matte'? Or perhaps, what the heck is Glossy paper? Well, here I will explain some of the subtle differences between Lustre, Matte and Glossy Photo paper when printing monochrome images. Hopefully this video should give you the first steps towards helping you decide which photo paper is best for your black and white photograph.
All the photo prints in this short film were produced on a Canon PRO 100-S and the paper choices were 210gsm Pro Premium Matte or a 260gsm Pro Lustre. For the glossy example, this was printed on Everyday Glossy Plus. The best way to print your photograph is to know which paper is the best for your photograph.
Thanks for watching and I hope that you are now a little more knowledgable about whether you will choose Glossy, Lustre or Matte for your black and white photograph.
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0:00 Intro
0:50 The Images
1:25 The Science
2:15 Glossy Paper
3:25 Lustre or Matte 1
5:13 The Affect of Light
6:00 Lustre or Matte 2
6:55 Tonal Differences
#luster #gloss #matt #photoprinting - Навчання та стиль
Thanks very much. Super helpful.
Exactly the information I needed, thank you!
Just started printing, finally someone getting down to explaining the types of paper in a context that is important to me, bw. Instant subscribe!
Hahnemühle Photo Rag Baryta 315 gsm, this is a standard 'go to paper' especially for B&W followed by Fine Art Baryta 325 gsm.
Saved me a lot of time an money from testing this all myself. And I thank you for that!
Some great helpful tips in there Dave , i think the whole process of printing your own work is an art within itself and videos like this certainly help the un initiated through the process , great stuff mate !
Thanks Lee. The biggest reason I invested in a printer was that I knew very little about the technicalities behind printing images - and as you quite rightly say, it is an art in itself. Appreciate it Lee - I'm still waiting on my PD Capture clips - amazon out of stock until 23rd but wanted to say thanks again for all your help with that :)
Thanks Dave, If I ever Get into Printing again I will remember to revisit this Video, Thanks Mate I hope you are all well
Thanks for the video, Dave! I remember the previous video and commented on how helpful it was. This video has been just as helpful. This is one area that I have very little understanding in so I will definitely be revisiting these. I love B&W photography and would love to see some of my photos printed. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
Thanks Walter. I appreciate your feedback greatly, as always. I'm looking forward to sharing my next 'print' type video about soft proofing - I think that one in particular may be really useful.
Another great vlog on papers Dave. Back in my college darkroom days I used to use lustre type papers quite a bit.
Thanks Andrew - I thought I'd already replied to this, but apparently not, sorry about that :)
Super useful Dave, I'm saved this video for when I print again and one day might be my own printer! Great walkthrough thanks for sharing!
Thanks Adrian, appreciate it :)
Keep up the good work here, thanks for teaching! Stay safe, stay connected
There was a time when getting my film developed and printed that the only choice was matte...Looking through my old albums, it is quite interesting to see going from glossy to matte, and then back to glossy again. They both seem to be holding up similarly over the years... When I was developing and printing my own B&W way back in the day, I don't recall a lustre paper even being available. Great to have these options today for sure! Thanks for sharing...Bruce and Otis
It's odd because as a young teen I shot film and the only option I ever had available for print was Glossy. Matte was obviously around but the paper was far too expensive for me to use. Like you, I don't remember there ever being anything termed Lustre. I do remember something called 'Matte-Gloss' which thinking back may well have been an early form of it. No doubt now though that the amount of variations of paper is far greater than imaginable back then. Thanks for watching and commenting :)
Great video. A friend of mine was just asking me about this. I think I will just send her a link to your video!
Great video!
I'm just getting started in self-printing and this was very helpful. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful Mike
Super helpful video mate, you explained this really well for someone like me who doesn’t know much about printing. Nice images too, that second shot really gives me Gotham vibes. 🦇
Cheers mate - actually when I was taking that shot Gotham was exactly what I was envisaging, just needed Batman to be swooping down.
Nice! Very thorough presentation about different types of paper. Never been a fan of matte paper. The blacks always appear dull and gray to my eyes. Looking forward to the soft-proofing video.
Thanks Jim, I'm hoping the soft proofing video will prove very useful to people.....be out towards the end of August :)
First! 😉… will leave a comment after I finish the video…
Well done mate #winning 😜
Mate, that was really informative. As you know, I don't often shoot or process in black and white but that is fantastic information and comparison if I ever need it. I should have watched your other paper videos. I recently ordered four prints, as a test, on Fuji Deep Matte Velvet paper and it really did not work with my seascape images. Had I listened to your videos closer I probably would have know that. It looked great on one of my woodland photos, but really muted the colors in the seascapes. But this is great information for anyone that shoots a lot in black and white. Great demonstration. Hope you are well and having a great weekend. Chat soon!
Thanks mate. Yeah that Deep Matte Velvet is super flat - perfect for real low contrast 'painterly' type low saturation images, but anything with any kind of pop just looks dull on it - the guy at the lab around the corner from me got some in and asked me if I wanted to try it - the way he described it was 'Dead Matte' as in it would kill all your colours.....describes it pretty nicely. btw I'm going to be checking out your lates vid as soon as I can - but have a deadline for tonight that I need to meet so probs be tomorrow (I'm waiting on LR to export a hundred or so photos atm so thought I'd get some replies back whilst I wait)
@@LetsClickPhotography no hurry mate, take care of business first! Thanks for the info on the Dead Matte... 💯 completely accurate!
Thanks for the tips!
You're welcome Sam, thanks a lot
Very well explained Dave. I've been very happy with Canson Photographique Baryta for black and white prints - particularly, as you point out, with the high contrast images. Great images by the way - especially the high contrast one. Is that in Manchester?
Thanks Robert. I really like Baryta paper for high contrast images too - good deep blacks and vibrancy but with that almost matte finish....I just didn't have any paper stock this time around to show in this one, makes for an easy link though :) Yes that building is in Manchester.
Great guide thank you. Subbed
Thanks a lot, appreciated 😃
Thanks--agreed that gloss can be problematic, but there's a lot more to paper selection than gloss level. For example, I'm trying to decide between a number of baryta papers before buying in bulk and it's best to decide on a few papers and learn how to most effectively use them so when you pre-visualize the image you know how to shoot it to produce the best print (digital files are not photographs). Test images provide a good "neutral" reference benchmark but it's not an easy process, as every individual image has its specific characteristics that are arguably best seen on a specific paper. There's a lot of experimentation involved and "soft-proofing" doesn't guarantee anything as prints rarely match exactly any projected image. It takes a lot of experience to figure these things out (I'm still on the learning curve with my new Epson P900--great results so far but there's still much to learn). Everyone has their own vision and they need to figure out how to achieve that, which takes time (and a bit of paper), but the joy of seeing amazing prints emerge onto the output tray makes it all worthwhile!
Agree with everything you've put here. It's why I haven't gone any deeper than what I have in these few videos. So much of your final output will depend on you, your image, your processing, your pre-print touch up, the inks etc etc. I do find that soft proofing will often give me a brightness more in line with what I get out of the printer when done correctly but there are certain papers (such as Hahnemuhle) that I find don't even come close in terms of colour representation. It's the main reason I purchased a printer, for trial and error purposes - the more you do the more you learn about each paper you work with.
HI Dave, Thanks for creating the video, very useful. One question. Do you stick with Canon paper or do you use another brand? Thanks in advance.
Hi Paul, thanks a lot. I use the Canon papers for everyday printing. They reproduce colours really well with little effort as they can be managed by the printer (being a Canon Pixma-Pro 100-S) with little fuss. However I do switch up to Hahnemuhle papers for more specific printing, especially their photo rag fine art matte or silk baryta. These are beautiful papers for printing on, really high quality and feel - however do require a lot more time at proofing stage to get right.
I want this paper for my pinhole camera . 😄
How does the "pearl" and "stain" option for Ilford Multigrade RC compare with the "luster" and "matte" options here?
I haven't used that brand but as a general rule of thumb both Pearl and Satin will be very slightly more glossy in finish than a lustre paper. Pearl will generally has a bit of subtle texture to it too, much the same as a standard lustre. Certainly that is the case with Hahnemuhle which I use
I just can't print on glossy paper without it getting fuzzy, I have an Epson XP 970 but it is very disappointing, Other papers like matte coated is fine, just glossy paper doesn't print well at all, any ideas?
Obviously I am getting the paper settings right, but it smears as it come out of the printer.
The only time I've had an issue that is similar to this, I found the problem to be a small sticker had found its way into the printer and stuck on one of the front paper rollers, this cause a streaked line of ink right across the paper. It's definitely worth a look to make sure that nothing is lodged in there. However that was across all paper types, and it sounds like you have the issue with just a gloss finish. I don't have much experience with the Epson printers but I know someone who may be able to offer a little more specific advice on that line - head to this video ua-cam.com/video/8z3YiNcLcSg/v-deo.html - his name is Robert, leave him a comment, let him know I sent you across and tell him your issue, he'll happily lend you his experience with settings for the XP970 - hope you get it sorted, Dave
Hi, what is the use for luster and glossy? Are those for colored images only
No - lustre and glossy are great for B&W - depends on your usage - Glossy for example will give rich deep blacks and great contrast for BW
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