Wow man, this is a fantastic explanation! I’m trying to learn semiotics on my own and it’s often a challenge to grasp some difficult concepts outside of a learning environment. Thanks so much for your work!!
Hi, thanks for video, quite informative. I want to say I'm not sure about describing the "here and now" in the category of secondness since there isn't really a way to describe the inmediate now, when you think about the now is already the immediate past. I think it fits better in the firstness since it is ungraspable, and yet is always present.
Thanks for the comment! That is certainly one way to approach the issue. However, 2ndness is in a way also ungraspable as it is an individual event, a snapshot. The experience of something graspable always requires 3rdness, as it must be coherent and continuous. With the "here and now" I meant the "thisness", that something is here and now forcefully present. Peirce describes 2ndness as "anything’s being that which another makes it to be here and now.".
This reminds me of Hegel. Firstness would be Pure Being, which is absolutely indeterminate. Secondness would be Determinate Being, and Thirdness would be Becoming, which is a mediation between Pure Being and Pure Nothing and a transition to Determinate Being.
Hegel and Peirce share many similarities, but they also have significant differences. Hegel considered 3rdness (Spirit/Geist) to be the ultimate foundation of everything. In contrast, Peirce viewed all three categories as equally important.
Hello, thanks for your videos... I am going to use Pierce theory in analysing my thesis on a short story... Please suggest or give your ideas on how to apply Pierce in analysing literature. Thank you.
@Péter Magas Wow. Thank you. I've been trying to create a project based on this, and recently lost some morale. But you just inspired me to keep going.
@Péter Magas Well, it's a bit difficult to explain, because it involves the idea that the closer one gets to a fundamental truth, the more simple the expression becomes and therefore the more commonly the idea can be found as a correspondence. Very similar to "lstness, 2ndness, 3rdness" etc. And in fact, that is the point. The triad is the only way to express language. The dyad is an "artistic" expression. The monad cannot be expressly defined (like a color). You will find that the triads above can be found in almost any concept. I define "concept" as the "thirdness" idea as it binds the monad and dyad together. The best expressions of this principle I have since come up with, are the following triads: Affinity, Allusion, Concept Title, Description, Product Intention, Extension, Wave Point, Line, Curve Anything, Everything, Thing It goes on and on... The only limitation being the expressive power of language itself. It is like a fractal that can be expressed intentionally and extensionally.
@Péter Magas I have wanted to build a sort of "Wikipedia", but with triadic expressions, and these expressions are linked to a credit system. There is a decentralized blockchain I am invested in, where I want to put it, but I will only tell you if you ask, as I don't want you to think I am trying to sell it.
@Péter Magas The blockchain is called "Koinos". It uses a fee-less model that allows one to allocate resources to other accounts. So one does not have to own the koin in order to transact on the network. The hardest part by far is not the model, but making it fun enough, so people would want to use it.
Red as a colour need not embody anything "red" is in the light spectrum and the rainbow does not embody anything. 1st= potential novelty (subjective imagination),,, 2cnd = ebb and flow (novelty sticking)(subjective idea)(potential for longevity),,,3rd=novelty in use, approaching obsolescence(subjective imagined idea to the objective theory formed and proven working with longevity)
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Man, you just saved my assignment. The concepts were so hard to grasp from the literature, but you managed to make sense of it all. Thank you!
Wow man, this is a fantastic explanation! I’m trying to learn semiotics on my own and it’s often a challenge to grasp some difficult concepts outside of a learning environment. Thanks so much for your work!!
This was excellent.
Very well done.
Awesome!
Hi, thanks for video, quite informative. I want to say I'm not sure about describing the "here and now" in the category of secondness since there isn't really a way to describe the inmediate now, when you think about the now is already the immediate past. I think it fits better in the firstness since it is ungraspable, and yet is always present.
Thanks for the comment! That is certainly one way to approach the issue. However, 2ndness is in a way also ungraspable as it is an individual event, a snapshot. The experience of something graspable always requires 3rdness, as it must be coherent and continuous.
With the "here and now" I meant the "thisness", that something is here and now forcefully present.
Peirce describes 2ndness as "anything’s being that which another makes it to be here and now.".
@@PhiloSign that sounds reasonable, I have yet to GRASP what does he really mean by his categories! Thanks for the response
This reminds me of Hegel. Firstness would be Pure Being, which is absolutely indeterminate. Secondness would be Determinate Being, and Thirdness would be Becoming, which is a mediation between Pure Being and Pure Nothing and a transition to Determinate Being.
Hegel and Peirce share many similarities, but they also have significant differences. Hegel considered 3rdness (Spirit/Geist) to be the ultimate foundation of everything. In contrast, Peirce viewed all three categories as equally important.
Hello, thanks for your videos... I am going to use Pierce theory in analysing my thesis on a short story... Please suggest or give your ideas on how to apply Pierce in analysing literature. Thank you.
Hi! Send me email, so I can send you a short article that may help you. You'll find my email from my UA-cam-profile.
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Thing: 3rdness, 2ndness, 1stness
Math: +, =, 0
Hashmap: Map, Key, Value
Computer: Memory, Input, Output
Logic: and, or, if
Time: past, present, future
Triple: thing, relation, context
@Péter Magas
Wow. Thank you.
I've been trying to create a project based on this, and recently lost some morale. But you just inspired me to keep going.
@Péter Magas
Well, it's a bit difficult to explain, because it involves the idea that the closer one gets to a fundamental truth, the more simple the expression becomes and therefore the more commonly the idea can be found as a correspondence.
Very similar to "lstness, 2ndness, 3rdness" etc. And in fact, that is the point.
The triad is the only way to express language.
The dyad is an "artistic" expression.
The monad cannot be expressly defined (like a color).
You will find that the triads above can be found in almost any concept. I define "concept" as the "thirdness" idea as it binds the monad and dyad together.
The best expressions of this principle I have since come up with, are the following triads:
Affinity, Allusion, Concept
Title, Description, Product
Intention, Extension, Wave
Point, Line, Curve
Anything, Everything, Thing
It goes on and on... The only limitation being the expressive power of language itself.
It is like a fractal that can be expressed intentionally and extensionally.
@Péter Magas
I have wanted to build a sort of "Wikipedia", but with triadic expressions, and these expressions are linked to a credit system.
There is a decentralized blockchain I am invested in, where I want to put it, but I will only tell you if you ask, as I don't want you to think I am trying to sell it.
@Péter Magas
The blockchain is called "Koinos". It uses a fee-less model that allows one to allocate resources to other accounts.
So one does not have to own the koin in order to transact on the network.
The hardest part by far is not the model, but making it fun enough, so people would want to use it.
@Péter Magas
No. Not my project. I am invested in it.
Man took 4 minutes to say first impressions.
If you've ever read Peirce, you'd understand why it took him 4 minutes to explain firstness
Red as a colour need not embody anything "red" is in the light spectrum and the rainbow does not embody anything.
1st= potential novelty (subjective imagination),,, 2cnd = ebb and flow (novelty sticking)(subjective idea)(potential for longevity),,,3rd=novelty in use, approaching obsolescence(subjective imagined idea to the objective theory formed and proven working with longevity)