This is a great topic. I just sold off my entire Black Series collection of over 500+ figures and vehicles. Had just about every figure produced with multiples and multiples of the army builders. Roughly 10 years of collecting this line. It ran its course and fulfilled an extremely rough part of my life. It made me happy and have not one regret letting it go.
Definitely not a waste of time. We just move on from one thing to the next and that's life. If we didn't collect, we just would be doing something else. Something is always occupying our time. Have a very happy healthy and prosperous new year to you and family Mike 👨👩👧
Good point that as long as you've gained something positive from it, then it wasn't a total waste of time. Interesting, wide variety of options for the line over the years.
MP is my favorite scale and I only started collecting since 2021. Knowing what I know now, I wish I would’ve started my collection way back in the days when availability of MP scale was a lot easier to acquire before it became unavailable and expensive. What makes it fun is hunting down the older MP that have sold out even though it can get expensive in the long term.
I wouldn't say I regret hunting for figures or wasted time. The hunt for figures you've wanted for years is so satisfying once you finally get it in hand. Then as a collector we're getting so many options now and improvements and options are good! One day I'll have to get rid of them but I loved being able to sit in my collection room when and while I can and embrace the inner child and memories and all that good stuff
Even though I enjoy collecting Tfs, I do feel like I wasted my time and money collecting CHUG scale. I saw that MPs were too expensive, so I did not dive in to that. Then one day I risk buying a KO Soundwave and a Sideswipe MP scale. Once They arrived, I fell in love with the detail and so superior quality and look of the MPs. that was the start of my MP collection and the downfall of my savings account. LOL
You must have missed the memo but the IRS delayed the $600 threshold for this year yet again. Now there is talk of the $600 threshold going to $5000 in 2024. Look it up.
I have a whole section dedicated to this in the news but yes they could not let their agenda unravel during an election year! It would be political suicide but they eventually will get what they deserve
Totally agree with your gist! I had every iteration of Megatron - barring Despotron - and really enjoyed the ride, from MP5 (?) onwards. I’m feeling a bit of buyer’s remorse with the 86 Movie G1 repaints, but they’re cheap enough for a punt and I’ll shift them if they no longer float my boat. I do get pangs of jealousy looking at the Magic Square lineup too, but I can’t commit to another scale. Plus I love the premium quality of Fanstoys too much. I’m currently on the fence with my Star Wars collection, funnily enough I’ve been wondering whether it sparks quite the level of joy my MPs / G1s do (I’m also an Action Force / AD&D collector, but that’s another avenue). I feel this especially for Black Series, only keeping a handful of those In fact I’ve had similar feelings about many of the Super7 lines, I’m starting to strim them back, as great though some of them are, I just don’t have space in my life (as a 47 year old big kidult) for all of them. And though I’ve enjoyed having them pass through my hands for a time, I’m equally happy to have them move along
That first Star Wars pic hit nostalgia. I had them all. I collect Transformers (mainly Decepticons), mainline, MP, Legends, and GIJoes CS. At what age will you stop collecting, sell your entire collection?
I wasted so much time and money collecting star wars black series. Once they switched to red boxes and focused on Disney trilogy characters I should have bailed. I eventually did but not soon enough.
@@tydiriumhanger1320so many collectors don't feel the same way about the black series you nerd.😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅.
4:28 wow, I'm surprised you brought up the iGear raptor seekers and *_NOT_* their MP seekers. Those were the improvements over the MP03 mold and takara then mimicked what iGear did when they made the MP11 seekers. In any case, iGear made 8 color variants (I had multiples of 7 for years). I'd add that the various 3P TFs you mentioned (and those you didn't) weren't a waste of time as they demonstrated there was a market for them and spurred takara to make more MPs and at times improve their efforts on their official releases. Think about this... if there were no 3P TFs made, would there have been a Haslab Unicron? 🤔
@tydiriumhanger1320 hey mike, I'm not sure if you understood the point I was making. The iGear Masterpiece seekers were essentially the MP11 mold *_BEFORE_* Takara released the MP11 (around 2011?). Many, if not most, TF MP collectors were enamored with the MP11 mold for years, until companies started making improvement seekers (like maketoys that added waist rotation).
When i started collecting MP all those years ago i asked my self a few questions 1 - If i want this scale can i keep to it, thinking about displaying them and would a smaller scale be better 2 - What style do i want? Toon / Toy / Stylised / Realistic ? If i stick to one, i dont have to worry about other figures. 3 - Accuracy? Do i care about small details, or do i want the best version of a character i can get. My Answers were, MP Scale with a mix of Toon/Realistic/Accurate ( FT48X Jazz for example, Toon Accurate Bot with Realistic Car Mode and Accurate Animation Model). So far ive doubled up on a few figures here or there as sometimes theres no right answer for one bot fills all. Ive never went out and got multiple of the same bot ( minus MP10 and MP44 due well its Optimus) but ive never went heavy on varients.
as for the Tetrajets - Ive not seen another company make them, so if those are the best ones so far id get them as i could be years before a new version comes out.
I'll keep adding to this as things go on. Zeta bots looked great but they are heavily Toy Style over FT which is Toon. So depending on what you want you have options. Zeta was out for me due to the changes they made to Swindle to make him work with the combiner mode.
Hi Mike, Happy New Year! I really enjoyed your topic of discussion in collecting. I overall take it as a learning experience. To see what’s available in options for figures, determining how to best display and keep for storage for me. I can understand on the waiting experience where I took interested in XTB Menasor late in the game. I am searching for missing figures and being patient. Definitely no regrets so far.
I agree with you mate - to me it’s not a waste of time, it’s part of the journey. You start out with your collection goals & with each subsequent release, the goals may change. That’s what happened with me - started out collecting one way, enjoyed it while I had them, then decided to go another way.
I ditched the Classified line after I realized that most of the figures I knew ( from the Cartoon) were made by now and the new figures that are coming out I don't have a history with them.
I have some of the impossible toys quints as well. Keeping them also. I don't like regret. However, if I could go back, I might reconsider legends scale over MP. No going back now, so MP it is.
So I only started collecting not so long ago and so still early stages and after picking up some Newage figures I’ve been thinking about dumping MP. Legends is less space, less cleaning, less disappointment when you run into QC issues not to mention less cost and in my opinion Newage build and quality is as good as any MP I own and I have mostly Fanstoys. It’s an interesting dilemma I’m in 😂
@antonb348 Legends look great. Smaller and cost less than their MP counterparts. For me, MP is still the ultimate representation of any character , but with that comes the size and price. Also, the unwillingness, at least for me, to transform some of these figures. Nothing like red paint chipping off your $500 MP-44.
@@josephmonroy3865 yeah I know what you mean! I was kinda gutted after transforming FT blaster once and seeing paint missing on its legs 😢 True, it is the ultimate representation of a character. Which is why I’m now thinking get and keep the characters I have that weird childhood connection with in MP and go nuts with Legends?! 🤔
for me..yes. I was all in when they had the toy look. When they went to the animation look I was out..I think my last one was Ironhide, whereas I LOVE the MPM line now. And dont even get me started on the trainbots..Hasbro should just toss in the towel on the G1 MP line.
Interesting topic. There are a lot of figures that I no longer want because I have newer/better versions. I try to appreciate that at least for a while they were something I got to enjoy and even now I can make back some of the money I put into them. At the same time some things I picked up were for the sake of completeness and not because I really wanted them. So I have learned now to really think things through before I buy. I ask myself where will this figure be in 5 years. Will I still have it on display it or will it be in a bin somewhere. If the answer is likely a bin then I don't buy it and save myself the cycle of buying, owning, reselling.
I recently sold a magic square seeker for a little more than what I paid for it. On the other side of that, I have two older masterpiece seekers that I'm selling, and people are trying to lowball me for $20 less than what I originally spent on them years ago.
I think a lot of us in the tf community have negative feelings about the last 20plus years. But I think it all just came down to collectors fatigue. The 3rd party genesis and wars were very exciting and refreshing before it started turning customers into causalities. The masterpiece dwn sizing was a very necessary move and made things more practical for us but it was still a reset that we had to endure. What killed it for me though was the realization that I will nvr be able to have a complete mp/3rd 80’s character figure line, theirs literally no end it sight! Between the company competitions and the constant redoing/2.0ing of products that aren’t even dead stock yet. Like every character should’ve had definitive representation by now, everyone’s shelf should’ve been done by now especially with the prices companies. A race is fun, a marathon is a challenge, but this literally has no finish line which means no victors we’re all going to lose. We did get great content creators like you, emgo, Bobby skull face, Thew and countless others and I appreciate sharing the dream with all of you
I buy them enjoy them. New one comes along if I enjoy those I get them too. It’s a choice. I made them. Didn’t waste time or money cuz each piece brings me back to that time and at that very time it was what I considered the best
I got rid of all my Igear Raptors years ago when I ditched the old 3P scale. I still think in terms of playability they are the best seekers ever made. Excellent figures in a sadly dead scale...
Thankfully I’ve been very selective and I didn’t make many regrets. I wish I hadnt bought the first wheeljack, prowl and bluestreak and that’s about it. I do t look at it as investing, I expect to get some of my money back in the future, but I look at is as art. I like art. I have more regrets about fruit trees I planted and wasted years taking care of, lol
In some way or another, our collector's decisions have financed and shaped at least one niche within this industry, to evolve said industry and to have us evolve in taste/preference as well.
Bought a Blaster from KFC and if must have been a factory defective one. Totally regret buying it. I used to regret buying my oversized Star scream, but they only released about 5 oversized figures ( prime, mega, s. scream, ratchet and iron hide) so for some that mini collection is worth it to them. I still havent gotten the version of every figure I want, so Ill stick with it. I learned to wait though. Things are expensive now, but in 5-10 years maybe they get really really cheap and improve the designs.
It's not wasted time to pursue something you enjoy that does not harm others and, in fact, gives sustenance to others by providing them with work that earns them income.
Not a waste of time if you had fun in the past. Some regrets maybe. I feel similar about collecting some recent mainline figures, as they keep bringing out new and better versions of G1 characters. The recent Legacy figures have been amazing and many Unicron trilogy figures probably won’t be revisited for many years. But G1 keeps getting revisited.
I don't really regret much of my collection outside of one or two pieces where the QC/etc were so terrible that the figures just crumbled or were so frustrating to manipulate that it ruined them for me.
I'm kind of disappointed in the newer MP Primes. The cab is a shell that collapses into the legs, and there are just way too many steps for it to be fun. I think MP1 nailed the transformation (this is as complicated as Prime should be), but MP10 nailed the cab and robot modes. MP44 has too many steps to be fun. Honestly, I want a Masterpiece figure to be a super-articulated version of the diaclone figure, transform mostly like the diaclone figure, with as few to no 'fake parts' (Sunstreaker's fake chest, Bumblebee 2.0 overall) as possible, and a real-world accurate version of the vehicle mode, with allowances for major changes from the cartoon (Trailbreaker's head, Ironhide and Ratchet's robot modes, etc.) when absolutely necessary, but with some nods to diaclone (maybe Trailbreaker should have an alternate face that looks like his diaclone face). Give us details (like diaclone figures had), not super-toon simplicity aka plain and boring-ness (Sunstreaker's bot mode, MP44), and better scale (MP1 and MP10), not toon-proportions (MP44's squat torso and long legs).
More like: Have we wasted time buying TRANSFORMERS for the last 20 years. I like my Masterpiece collection, it makes me happy. However I've been collecting since I was a kid and over the last (almost) 40 years of Transformers the one truth I've found is that no matter how happy you are with a toy, sooner later someone will release a better version of that character and you'll want to buy it. Doesn't matter if you're collecting Hasbro, Masterpiece or Legends. Eventually a better version will come along and sometimes that happens very quickly.
Not a waste of time to me. The folks that regret on collecting MPs is this. Those collectors who put that money everywhere on MP figures, they go through messed up bank accounts, and having to sell obsolete figures no one wants anymore. In addition the gi nazis, fall into this money betwixt never satisfied pit. As for me I only go figures that I like , that's why I lean towards stylized MPs
@tydiriumhanger1320 my friend they're a bunch of collectors that have their money everywhere like that. What I learned about collecting is that I treat it like an open relationship, for example Cang-toys is my wife when it comes to combiners My girlfriends are bingo toys, Deformation space, and Fanstoys is the girl I just use for fun only
fun video.... Moral to the story. nothing's really wasted and collecting.. And you've got it. The political issues of selling toys. I have a huge huge collection 99% mint in sealed box... I started selling a little bit. Would like to do a lot more. But what a hassle.
It's never a waste of time if you're enjoying yourself. If you're not enjoying then it's a waste as you could be doing something else. The only waste of time I see are the figures that never showed up in store or online and having to pay scalpers for it, Hasbro's Cosmos, which to this day, none of my friends not myself have ever seen it in person. Wasted a lot of time scouring different Walmarts for months on end.
Only time I have regret is when I miss a cracking good deal on Ebay (eg Not bidding enough), or when I miss a Pre-Order window and then no toy, unless I purge my Wallet at Ebay. Missed a Figma 300 King Leonidas the other week on the Bay that went for ...... Wait for it.... £37 Shipped, I almost cried when I missed that, actually I tell a lie I did cry.
I'm starting to feel like I'm wasting time a little bit now that I have an example of all of the Takara MPs. Out of the 38 I have left 21 are variations of Optimus Prime and I might not ever find Lucky Draw MP-01 or those damned Coronation parts.
No... I don't think it's a waste of time. Granted I think some figures are better designed and made than others, but I don't think I've wasted my time completely. Probably the only thing I probably nitpick on is that some elements of the fandom are extremely nerdy in a negative sense. That would be the only thing that I would find the detracting from The hobby. That's the only thing I would complain about. I'm in the camp that sometimes newer is not always better, and depending on the figure or the direction of a particular line, I don't think it's diverse enough where I think it only appeals to one group of people versus maybe a selection of people. Examples of what I'm talking about is that I actually think for example that the moon studio release of the train bots and Raiden are still better than the official Hasbro release. There are some elements that I like about the Hasbro a little more than maybe Moon studio here and there, but overall I think Moon studios Braden is better than the official release. Then there are certain figures like the original masterpiece bumblebee who I think is better than the second version. The only beef I have with the first version is that I think certain things like the head sculpt and maybe the hips weren't done as well as they could have been in terms of sculpting, but I do think that the way that the figure was done in general was better than the second version Looking at the first masterpiece bumblebee I think the initial concept was that they were going to do a two pack with him, meaning instead of it being just bumblebee and Spike / Daniel, I think they were going to do two bugs at once, one bumble bee, the other gold bug because looking at the mold it wouldn't be too hard to retool certain things on the figure to make him look like gold bug. Which is also the reason why I think they released a G2 gold bumblebee because I think they were planning on doing a gold bug, but never did. Bumblebee I think was a good example of a decent mold but not quite being flushed out. I still think that way about the MP3 starscream buck (still one of my favorite designs once modified), I still think Hasbro's Ironhide / ratchet is the best version that we've gotten once you do the shadow Fisher mod to the figure. Simple little tweak but it makes the world of a difference. And I still don't think they've made it perfect sun streaker. The first release of bumblebee I think is good enough once you change the head, but I really haven't seen anybody do a perfect cliffjumper yet. I still like mmc's version once you tweak it a little bit. Only thing I don't like about the figure as I feel that it is a little too fragile feeling in my hands, but once you change the head lower the torso a little bit, I think it looks quite good because I'm more into the realistic looking car look then the penny racer cartoon vibe. It's all about what you like and respecting about what other people are into without being overly critical about their taste. The thing I don't like about certain lines is that they only go in one way, and that can be detrimental to the franchise in terms of making money from it. The key to a successful business isn't about selling what you like, it's listening to your clientele and giving them what they want.
You started your argument by stating a premise. Then you went on to give multiple definitions for the operative terms of your premise, so that just about everything is encompassed under the umbrella of your premise. Essentially, you made your topic meaningless.
A lot of them were either too expensive or just a poor design for me. The only MP’s I’ve ever purchased were Grimlock, Optimus, Sunstreaker and wheeljack.
This is a great topic. I just sold off my entire Black Series collection of over 500+ figures and vehicles. Had just about every figure produced with multiples and multiples of the army builders. Roughly 10 years of collecting this line. It ran its course and fulfilled an extremely rough part of my life. It made me happy and have not one regret letting it go.
I see a lot of collectors selling off SW Black series. Clears up space and makes some extra $$$ to put towards what really makes you happy
Definitely not a waste of time. We just move on from one thing to the next and that's life. If we didn't collect, we just would be doing something else. Something is always occupying our time. Have a very happy healthy and prosperous new year to you and family Mike 👨👩👧
Yep it was fun at every phase and some of the best stuff it yet to come
Good point that as long as you've gained something positive from it, then it wasn't a total waste of time. Interesting, wide variety of options for the line over the years.
It is also fun to see where were were in collecting MP decades ago vs these days. So much has changed
MP is my favorite scale and I only started collecting since 2021. Knowing what I know now, I wish I would’ve started my collection way back in the days when availability of MP scale was a lot easier to acquire before it became unavailable and expensive. What makes it fun is hunting down the older MP that have sold out even though it can get expensive in the long term.
I wouldn't say I regret hunting for figures or wasted time. The hunt for figures you've wanted for years is so satisfying once you finally get it in hand. Then as a collector we're getting so many options now and improvements and options are good! One day I'll have to get rid of them but I loved being able to sit in my collection room when and while I can and embrace the inner child and memories and all that good stuff
Even though I enjoy collecting Tfs, I do feel like I wasted my time and money collecting CHUG scale. I saw that MPs were too expensive, so I did not dive in to that. Then one day I risk buying a KO Soundwave and a Sideswipe MP scale. Once They arrived, I fell in love with the detail and so superior quality and look of the MPs. that was the start of my MP collection and the downfall of my savings account. LOL
The only regret I have is that I couldn't buy those I really want. Happy holidays!
I hated that i got rid of my battle damaged 20th anniversary edition prime
You must have missed the memo but the IRS delayed the $600 threshold for this year yet again. Now there is talk of the $600 threshold going to $5000 in 2024. Look it up.
Election year
I have a whole section dedicated to this in the news but yes they could not let their agenda unravel during an election year! It would be political suicide but they eventually will get what they deserve
@@punaforager True
Totally agree with your gist! I had every iteration of Megatron - barring Despotron - and really enjoyed the ride, from MP5 (?) onwards.
I’m feeling a bit of buyer’s remorse with the 86 Movie G1 repaints, but they’re cheap enough for a punt and I’ll shift them if they no longer float my boat. I do get pangs of jealousy looking at the Magic Square lineup too, but I can’t commit to another scale. Plus I love the premium quality of Fanstoys too much.
I’m currently on the fence with my Star Wars collection, funnily enough I’ve been wondering whether it sparks quite the level of joy my MPs / G1s do (I’m also an Action Force / AD&D collector, but that’s another avenue). I feel this especially for Black Series, only keeping a handful of those
In fact I’ve had similar feelings about many of the Super7 lines, I’m starting to strim them back, as great though some of them are, I just don’t have space in my life (as a 47 year old big kidult) for all of them. And though I’ve enjoyed having them pass through my hands for a time, I’m equally happy to have them move along
That first Star Wars pic hit nostalgia. I had them all. I collect Transformers (mainly Decepticons), mainline, MP, Legends, and GIJoes CS. At what age will you stop collecting, sell your entire collection?
Nothing is a waste of time as long as you enjoyed that time. It's not the destination, it's the journey.
True I looked at collecting as a destination in the beginning and now it has been the journey that was most fun
I wasted so much time and money collecting star wars black series. Once they switched to red boxes and focused on Disney trilogy characters I should have bailed. I eventually did but not soon enough.
Ughh. Star wars is/has been history for me for a long time.
So many other collectors feel the same away about the Black series
@@tydiriumhanger1320so many collectors don't feel the same way about the black series you nerd.😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅.
Yes.
Thanks
4:28 wow, I'm surprised you brought up the iGear raptor seekers and *_NOT_* their MP seekers. Those were the improvements over the MP03 mold and takara then mimicked what iGear did when they made the MP11 seekers. In any case, iGear made 8 color variants (I had multiples of 7 for years).
I'd add that the various 3P TFs you mentioned (and those you didn't) weren't a waste of time as they demonstrated there was a market for them and spurred takara to make more MPs and at times improve their efforts on their official releases.
Think about this... if there were no 3P TFs made, would there have been a Haslab Unicron? 🤔
I had the mp03 mold and not very impressed but seems iGear seems to be more polarized with many that love them while many hate the designs
@tydiriumhanger1320 hey mike, I'm not sure if you understood the point I was making. The iGear Masterpiece seekers were essentially the MP11 mold *_BEFORE_* Takara released the MP11 (around 2011?). Many, if not most, TF MP collectors were enamored with the MP11 mold for years, until companies started making improvement seekers (like maketoys that added waist rotation).
Nothing is a waste of time if you enjoy it.
When i started collecting MP all those years ago i asked my self a few questions
1 - If i want this scale can i keep to it, thinking about displaying them and would a smaller scale be better
2 - What style do i want? Toon / Toy / Stylised / Realistic ? If i stick to one, i dont have to worry about other figures.
3 - Accuracy? Do i care about small details, or do i want the best version of a character i can get.
My Answers were, MP Scale with a mix of Toon/Realistic/Accurate ( FT48X Jazz for example, Toon Accurate Bot with Realistic Car Mode and Accurate Animation Model).
So far ive doubled up on a few figures here or there as sometimes theres no right answer for one bot fills all. Ive never went out and got multiple of the same bot ( minus MP10 and MP44 due well its Optimus) but ive never went heavy on varients.
as for the Tetrajets - Ive not seen another company make them, so if those are the best ones so far id get them as i could be years before a new version comes out.
I'll keep adding to this as things go on.
Zeta bots looked great but they are heavily Toy Style over FT which is Toon. So depending on what you want you have options. Zeta was out for me due to the changes they made to Swindle to make him work with the combiner mode.
Sounds like you have gotten this game figured out! Yes there is no one bot fills all and good reasons to have a couple of the same character
@@collectorsalmanac We do need a better Bruticus
81 toylines?! You either have a spare room for your house, or a spare house for your room!
I have 3 display rooms after doing some renovations. Well worth it but I am still running out of space
Hi Mike, Happy New Year! I really enjoyed your topic of discussion in collecting. I overall take it as a learning experience. To see what’s available in options for figures, determining how to best display and keep for storage for me. I can understand on the waiting experience where I took interested in XTB Menasor late in the game. I am searching for missing figures and being patient. Definitely no regrets so far.
IT is tough catching up with at combiner set but XTB likes to reissue older figures so there is hope
I agree with you mate - to me it’s not a waste of time, it’s part of the journey.
You start out with your collection goals & with each subsequent release, the goals may change.
That’s what happened with me - started out collecting one way, enjoyed it while I had them, then decided to go another way.
We do change as we go with expectations of aesthetic, hardware, paint and style
I ditched the Classified line after I realized that most of the figures I knew ( from the Cartoon) were made by now and the new figures that are coming out I don't have a history with them.
I have some of the impossible toys quints as well. Keeping them also. I don't like regret. However, if I could go back, I might reconsider legends scale over MP. No going back now, so MP it is.
So I only started collecting not so long ago and so still early stages and after picking up some Newage figures I’ve been thinking about dumping MP.
Legends is less space, less cleaning, less disappointment when you run into QC issues not to mention less cost and in my opinion Newage build and quality is as good as any MP I own and I have mostly Fanstoys.
It’s an interesting dilemma I’m in 😂
@antonb348 Legends look great. Smaller and cost less than their MP counterparts. For me, MP is still the ultimate representation of any character , but with that comes the size and price. Also, the unwillingness, at least for me, to transform some of these figures. Nothing like red paint chipping off your $500 MP-44.
@@josephmonroy3865 yeah I know what you mean! I was kinda gutted after transforming FT blaster once and seeing paint missing on its legs 😢
True, it is the ultimate representation of a character. Which is why I’m now thinking get and keep the characters I have that weird childhood connection with in MP and go nuts with Legends?! 🤔
Yep there are many reasons Legends scale is taking many MP collectors. Price, Space and yes paint chipping are big reasons
Great topic/discussion!
Glad you enjoyed thanks
for me..yes. I was all in when they had the toy look. When they went to the animation look I was out..I think my last one was Ironhide, whereas I LOVE the MPM line now. And dont even get me started on the trainbots..Hasbro should just toss in the towel on the G1 MP line.
Happy new year , sIutts
Another great year in the books
Interesting topic. There are a lot of figures that I no longer want because I have newer/better versions. I try to appreciate that at least for a while they were something I got to enjoy and even now I can make back some of the money I put into them. At the same time some things I picked up were for the sake of completeness and not because I really wanted them. So I have learned now to really think things through before I buy. I ask myself where will this figure be in 5 years. Will I still have it on display it or will it be in a bin somewhere. If the answer is likely a bin then I don't buy it and save myself the cycle of buying, owning, reselling.
It is good way to look at collecting where will these figures be in 5 years. Maybe displayed on the shelf or will it be in a tub
I recently sold a magic square seeker for a little more than what I paid for it. On the other side of that, I have two older masterpiece seekers that I'm selling, and people are trying to lowball me for $20 less than what I originally spent on them years ago.
Sadly you may have to give in a lose a bit on those seekers if you want to sell them but really a $20 loss on them is not bad.
I think a lot of us in the tf community have negative feelings about the last 20plus years. But I think it all just came down to collectors fatigue. The 3rd party genesis and wars were very exciting and refreshing before it started turning customers into causalities. The masterpiece dwn sizing was a very necessary move and made things more practical for us but it was still a reset that we had to endure. What killed it for me though was the realization that I will nvr be able to have a complete mp/3rd 80’s character figure line, theirs literally no end it sight! Between the company competitions and the constant redoing/2.0ing of products that aren’t even dead stock yet. Like every character should’ve had definitive representation by now, everyone’s shelf should’ve been done by now especially with the prices companies. A race is fun, a marathon is a challenge, but this literally has no finish line which means no victors we’re all going to lose. We did get great content creators like you, emgo, Bobby skull face, Thew and countless others and I appreciate sharing the dream with all of you
If I had known that Legends scale would be as awesome as it is now, I would've waited instead of collecting MP.
Many people have been saying that these days
@@tydiriumhanger1320 I'm waiting for a new MP Ironhide and Ratchet. I'd take an upscaled version of either Newage or Magic Square
There are definitely some lines I regret collecting, and I’m looking forward to the end of my Masterpiece Transformer collecting.
Yep there are enough characters to make a great display already in existence and only a few more new unique characters to go
I buy them enjoy them. New one comes along if I enjoy those I get them too. It’s a choice. I made them. Didn’t waste time or money cuz each piece brings me back to that time and at that very time it was what I considered the best
Most of my regrets are related to not having the cash and missing bots I'd like.
I got rid of all my Igear Raptors years ago when I ditched the old 3P scale. I still think in terms of playability they are the best seekers ever made. Excellent figures in a sadly dead scale...
Thankfully I’ve been very selective and I didn’t make many regrets. I wish I hadnt bought the first wheeljack, prowl and bluestreak and that’s about it. I do t look at it as investing, I expect to get some of my money back in the future, but I look at is as art. I like art. I have more regrets about fruit trees I planted and wasted years taking care of, lol
Ha I paid $2000 to have all my trees removed I understand. Good to have made many great collecting decisions
In some way or another, our collector's decisions have financed and shaped at least one niche within this industry, to evolve said industry and to have us evolve in taste/preference as well.
True we speak with our wallets and companies eventually give us what we demand
Not me, that is all I collect for the most part. I have collected CHUGS, Energon, G1. But most of my collection is MP, official or third party.
G1 collecting is the best way❤️
Bought a Blaster from KFC and if must have been a factory defective one. Totally regret buying it. I used to regret buying my oversized Star scream, but they only released about 5 oversized figures ( prime, mega, s. scream, ratchet and iron hide) so for some that mini collection is worth it to them. I still havent gotten the version of every figure I want, so Ill stick with it. I learned to wait though. Things are expensive now, but in 5-10 years maybe they get really really cheap and improve the designs.
If they would have kept going with the KO OS of Takara MP I would have kept buying them but that era just stopped
I feel like I have wasted time leaving things in the box and not enjoying them.
That is a double edged sword but with Transformers it is impossible to enjoy them fully in the box
It's not wasted time to pursue something you enjoy that does not harm others and, in fact, gives sustenance to others by providing them with work that earns them income.
Yes we do provide careers by supporting the industry over the decades of collecting! Great point
I learned many years ago to only buy FT and Takara and just avoid swapping.
Not a waste of time if you had fun in the past. Some regrets maybe. I feel similar about collecting some recent mainline figures, as they keep bringing out new and better versions of G1 characters.
The recent Legacy figures have been amazing and many Unicron trilogy figures probably won’t be revisited for many years. But G1 keeps getting revisited.
Seems Hasbro has only shown 2 G1 style figures so far for 2024 but I bet that will change. Where is Swoop?
I don't really regret much of my collection outside of one or two pieces where the QC/etc were so terrible that the figures just crumbled or were so frustrating to manipulate that it ruined them for me.
I'm kind of disappointed in the newer MP Primes. The cab is a shell that collapses into the legs, and there are just way too many steps for it to be fun. I think MP1 nailed the transformation (this is as complicated as Prime should be), but MP10 nailed the cab and robot modes. MP44 has too many steps to be fun. Honestly, I want a Masterpiece figure to be a super-articulated version of the diaclone figure, transform mostly like the diaclone figure, with as few to no 'fake parts' (Sunstreaker's fake chest, Bumblebee 2.0 overall) as possible, and a real-world accurate version of the vehicle mode, with allowances for major changes from the cartoon (Trailbreaker's head, Ironhide and Ratchet's robot modes, etc.) when absolutely necessary, but with some nods to diaclone (maybe Trailbreaker should have an alternate face that looks like his diaclone face). Give us details (like diaclone figures had), not super-toon simplicity aka plain and boring-ness (Sunstreaker's bot mode, MP44), and better scale (MP1 and MP10), not toon-proportions (MP44's squat torso and long legs).
Yep MP44 was over complicated while the new Magic Square version is a nice compromise. There really is a point of too toon
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Have we wasted time buying TRANSFORMERS for the last 20 years.
I like my Masterpiece collection, it makes me happy. However I've been collecting since I was a kid and over the last (almost) 40 years of Transformers the one truth I've found is that no matter how happy you are with a toy, sooner later someone will release a better version of that character and you'll want to buy it. Doesn't matter if you're collecting Hasbro, Masterpiece or Legends. Eventually a better version will come along and sometimes that happens very quickly.
True there is always a better option or bigger fish coming down the road
Not a waste of time to me. The folks that regret on collecting MPs is this. Those collectors who put that money everywhere on MP figures, they go through messed up bank accounts, and having to sell obsolete figures no one wants anymore. In addition the gi nazis, fall into this money betwixt never satisfied pit.
As for me I only go figures that I like , that's why I lean towards stylized MPs
Yes if collecting puts one in financial distress it could be a very negative experience.
@tydiriumhanger1320 my friend they're a bunch of collectors that have their money everywhere like that.
What I learned about collecting is that I treat it like an open relationship, for example
Cang-toys is my wife when it comes to combiners
My girlfriends are bingo toys,
Deformation space, and Fanstoys is the girl I just use for fun only
that is way im only have 5 MP´s in my collection. 3 OGs, 1 KO and 1 3rd party.
Great Start
fun video.... Moral to the story. nothing's really wasted and collecting.. And you've got it. The political issues of selling toys. I have a huge huge collection 99% mint in sealed box... I started selling a little bit. Would like to do a lot more. But what a hassle.
Yep selling is a hassle and we are entering into the 3 year of confusion about the new anti collector laws
It's never a waste of time if you're enjoying yourself. If you're not enjoying then it's a waste as you could be doing something else. The only waste of time I see are the figures that never showed up in store or online and having to pay scalpers for it, Hasbro's Cosmos, which to this day, none of my friends not myself have ever seen it in person. Wasted a lot of time scouring different Walmarts for months on end.
Nobody’s forcing anyone to buy, no regerts. Nor wasted time
Only time I have regret is when I miss a cracking good deal on Ebay (eg Not bidding enough), or when I miss a Pre-Order window and then no toy, unless I purge my Wallet at Ebay. Missed a Figma 300 King Leonidas the other week on the Bay that went for ...... Wait for it.... £37 Shipped, I almost cried when I missed that, actually I tell a lie I did cry.
Yep I have been too cheap bidding on Ebay and look back to only kick myself LOL
I'd say so.
I'm starting to feel like I'm wasting time a little bit now that I have an example of all of the Takara MPs. Out of the 38 I have left 21 are variations of Optimus Prime and I might not ever find Lucky Draw MP-01 or those damned Coronation parts.
Some of the early stuff may be harder to get these days
I regret now.. I want min masterpiece now bc of space and display options
No... I don't think it's a waste of time. Granted I think some figures are better designed and made than others, but I don't think I've wasted my time completely.
Probably the only thing I probably nitpick on is that some elements of the fandom are extremely nerdy in a negative sense. That would be the only thing that I would find the detracting from The hobby. That's the only thing I would complain about.
I'm in the camp that sometimes newer is not always better, and depending on the figure or the direction of a particular line, I don't think it's diverse enough where I think it only appeals to one group of people versus maybe a selection of people.
Examples of what I'm talking about is that I actually think for example that the moon studio release of the train bots and Raiden are still better than the official Hasbro release. There are some elements that I like about the Hasbro a little more than maybe Moon studio here and there, but overall I think Moon studios Braden is better than the official release.
Then there are certain figures like the original masterpiece bumblebee who I think is better than the second version. The only beef I have with the first version is that I think certain things like the head sculpt and maybe the hips weren't done as well as they could have been in terms of sculpting, but I do think that the way that the figure was done in general was better than the second version
Looking at the first masterpiece bumblebee I think the initial concept was that they were going to do a two pack with him, meaning instead of it being just bumblebee and Spike / Daniel, I think they were going to do two bugs at once, one bumble bee, the other gold bug because looking at the mold it wouldn't be too hard to retool certain things on the figure to make him look like gold bug. Which is also the reason why I think they released a G2 gold bumblebee because I think they were planning on doing a gold bug, but never did.
Bumblebee I think was a good example of a decent mold but not quite being flushed out. I still think that way about the MP3 starscream buck (still one of my favorite designs once modified), I still think Hasbro's Ironhide / ratchet is the best version that we've gotten once you do the shadow Fisher mod to the figure. Simple little tweak but it makes the world of a difference. And I still don't think they've made it perfect sun streaker. The first release of bumblebee I think is good enough once you change the head, but I really haven't seen anybody do a perfect cliffjumper yet. I still like mmc's version once you tweak it a little bit. Only thing I don't like about the figure as I feel that it is a little too fragile feeling in my hands, but once you change the head lower the torso a little bit, I think it looks quite good because I'm more into the realistic looking car look then the penny racer cartoon vibe.
It's all about what you like and respecting about what other people are into without being overly critical about their taste. The thing I don't like about certain lines is that they only go in one way, and that can be detrimental to the franchise in terms of making money from it.
The key to a successful business isn't about selling what you like, it's listening to your clientele and giving them what they want.
You keep saying "waste of time" when in fact you are talking about waste of money.
That is true and time is money so it is all connected
You started your argument by stating a premise. Then you went on to give multiple definitions for the operative terms of your premise, so that just about everything is encompassed under the umbrella of your premise. Essentially, you made your topic meaningless.
That is what happens when you discuss every angle
A lot of them were either too expensive or just a poor design for me. The only MP’s I’ve ever purchased were Grimlock, Optimus, Sunstreaker and wheeljack.
Always asking the dumbest questions.
What does "political factor" mean to selling I have no idea.
The 1099k reporting changing from $20k to $600 but they are pushing it off for a second year although damage may have been done