Thanks brotha! Wanted to show the perspective from a tech-challenged guy lol. If I can adapt to this anyone can. Much love for helping throughout this process 👊🏻
SUPER promising. I’ve built drones for more then 10 years and it’s amazing what open source accomplishes. More innovation is coming from the community than is from FM. More content with VESC please.
Open source and r2r makes it a win-win for everyone. Gt is just trying to play catch up. Let's get this innovation revolution going! 🤝🏻 More tests to come..
I was just thinking that. I remember how much better FPV drones got just from guys playing with settings in Betaflight. Onewheel needs something like that, and I think this could be it.
This is it folks! This is the big turning point, the milestone event! A DIRECT PLUG-IN REPLACEMENT controller. 👍👍👍 It should already be fully programmed and setup for typical riders, and needs an easy to follow instruction guide for the simple tweak adjustments most people will make. I am sure they are working on that. I have worked in the electronics industry for decades and have seen this turning point before. A plug-in replacement controller basically makes F.M's repair department obsolete. Plug-in replacement batteries are next (if not here already) and then we just need hubmotors. I wonder if F.M. realise just how much their immoral stance on right to repair will cost them in the long run... Fantastic video! You made my day. 👍🥇 fFM
Great news! I recently jumped on one again, and it still felt super wonky. Excited for ya'll to iron it out. High learning curve for sure to get it setup right. I really need to try one with settings that have been well groomed!!
RAD! We're getting 3 VESC boards set up down here in San Diego hopefully within the next few weeks. Just waiting on the other needed parts to come in. So excited!
I love that there is no crunching from forward to reverse…also impressive how the nose was staying up! I’m very interested in the efficiency in terms of battery drain and heat on the motor. Amazing video! 🔥
thanks for the support! with my latest trail settings the nose doesn't dip nor lift! battery drain is similar to stock fm, maybe a mile or two less, temp is similar too if you're not doing crazy hill climbs lol
It's a life changer for the floating life! There are vids out there of assembly instructions by @surfdado, check him out 🤙🏻fully plug n play controller solutions coming soon from www.makerspev.com
Sick video man. Super stoked for VESC. Dumping out one of my GTs this winter to fund my first build. If it goes well I’m switching over completely. Would be pumped to see some trail shredding and some carving at speed on pavement. Great content man 🤙🏼
Is vesc the beginning of true competition onewheeling. I love how many options there are in the electric skateboard world. My buddy’s vesc is next level!
Thank goodness for the community coming together and working on this. If this doesn't whip Future Motion into shape, then nothing will. At least we are well on our way to a viable (if not even better) alternative.
Hey Max- first off, GREAT video. I mean VESC is hot, and it was great to see it working so well, but honestly- this video was just a great time. LOVE the vibe, enjoyed every bit of the vid. Where did you get the controller box from? Did it arrive fully assembled like that? Seemed like you just had a plug and play controller, but all I see on the websites is a kit for the controller, and then you need to order the controller box elsewhere, and the gasket and lid elsewhere and assemble it all yourself. Did they just put one together for you for the vid, or can you actually buy it like that?
Thanks Mike! Wanted to show the perspective from a tech-challenged person lol. If I can roll with this anyone can! I was fortunate to have a fully assembled controller sent to me by Brian at MakersPEV. They are still working on pricing for a fully assembled plug n play option. For now you'll have to order the parts separately from the links below and put it together. Which for some may actually be a fun project 😄 the biggest thing is the box, 3d printing is a great option now that you can download the public file on thingiverse. Check out the links below! Credit Lee Rowlands ✌🏻 To build a VESC like mine: Link for the 3D printed controller box from Flowglider www.thingiverse.com/thing:5325535 Where to buy all the VESC parts you need if you live in the USA www.makerspev.com/collections/bundles Where to buy all the VESC parts if you live outside of the USA customwheel.shop/blog/manual-how-to-install-your-controller Where to buy a lid and seals for the controller. They may also be available from a supplier in the USA as this is from Europe. www.flowglider.com/index.php/product/wtfoc-mk2-for-little-focer-v3-hardware-pack/ Instructions customwheel.shop/blog/manual-how-to-install-your-controller How to install the settings of a pro rider. customwheel.shop/blog/how-to-install-the-settings-of-a-pro-rider
Is there a good BMS option that fits somewhere inside where I can see my voltage read out? My 'lovely' 4212 denies me this information so if I'm going to go VESC I would like to solve this issues as well
I only have a pint right now. Would it be better to buy a used XR and vesc it or just get a GT from the start? ps im 217 lbs. Thanks for the great vids!
appreciate the support! it depends on your riding style and budget. if you tend to shred hard on trails/tricks and/or more budget wary, hands down go for the XR. Super easy to vesc it and get more range/power than a gt with the right battery! if you have the budget and don't tend to ride hard, then gt is perfect for the mellow cruiser :) (gt is a bitch to repair if you break it)
if Surfdado releases his hybrid settings then you get the benefit of Hannes settings at low speed and then ask the torque tiltback and no nose dipping at higher speeds.
Absolutely! Upgrade the battery voltage up to 84V and you can get speeds around mid 30s mph (depending on rider weight, conditions etc). Check out the more recent vid I made of Kyle Hanson reaching 31mph on conservative settings. ua-cam.com/video/KYi-z2iUIFE/v-deo.html
@@MaxxSend Thank you for the quick reply! I just got my XR yesterday and that speed is addicting. It’s so smooth! But it struggles on the grass, gets crunchy so was looking for more punch like VESC or CBXR.
I'm in!! 😆I'm a coder and 3d printer, so I'm sure I'll enjoy the customization. I'm also completely ignorant about electricity though, so I'm happy to hear you don't need to know the ins and outs of that stuff to get into it. If I can figure out how to do this for a Pint, I'll do this sooner rather than later!
you'll need to assemble these components for the pint. if you're not too savvy on electricity tho, I would opt for the preassembled controller for a few hundred more! www.makerspev.com/products/flowglider-diy-bundle
I bypassed it temporarily cuz I wanted to experience the extra amps you get from the battery. Mind blowing! But yes you'll need the bms long term for balancing. If there was a way to toggle on/off that'd be amazing. Check out my most recent install vid: 84V CBCSO battery with built in bms :)
This can be done with any FM OneWheel. There's a good number of VESC Pints out there already, the bigger battery compartment of the PintX makes it an even better candidate
Any xr! Just replace the controller and decide on bms set up. Purchase here, fully assembled controller currently sold out: www.makerspev.com/collections/bundles?aff=3 More VESC info and bms set up options: pev.dev/t/owie-wiring-fw-use-fm-bms-for-15s-vexr/336
Getting to VESC thing; how do I start? Basically where to get the parts needed? Best forums to learn? Would love to get the original XR / GT but FM is making that impossible.
yo catching up on all the comments! get a used XR, decide on stock battery or a more powerful one, and then you just need the Makerspev controller: www.makerspev.com/products/little-focer-fully-assembled-flowglider-box
I wanna build one and I'm starting from scratch so if you have a low milage hub/wheel I'd love to buy it Any help would really be appreciated mr max. I'm jumping from a pint x to full blown xr vesc
Wait ...you said it has as much torque is a GT? On a stock 63v battery? I was under the impression that because the motors are the same you would have to get a 75 V battery pack (like GT) to get something more comparable to GT torque?
Torque depends on max amps, not voltage. Higher voltage gets you higher speed but doesn’t directly increase torque at all. The GT has higher voltage allowing for higher speed than XR. It also can output more amps which is what gives it more torque
@@surfdado ok...amp discharge is most relevant (given a certain voltage)...agreed. But if this was a 63v pack...does the VESC setup allow for vastly more amp discharge (assuming the cell has the amp capability) than an XR controller?...to get similar torque to that of the GT or beyond??
@@ZuberEUC because Max has the BMS removed, the battery amps aren't limited. The VESC app lets you freely configure max battery amps and max motor amps. The stock XR battery is only rated for 30A max but you can temporarily get a lot more out of a pack like that, at the expense of battery life and health - but Max will soon upgrade to a much more powerful battery so he probably doesn't care about his stock battery.
@@surfdado THANKS for the enlightenment!! Ur channel and other vesc contributors are HEROs to the future of the onewheel style platform. I hope to get on the VESC train soon!!
For those keen to build a VESC like Max’s here is some useful links. Link for the 3D printed controller box from Flowglider www.thingiverse.com/thing:5325535 Where to buy all the VESC parts you need if you live in the USA www.makerspev.com/collections/bundles Where to buy all the VESC parts if you live outside of the USA customwheel.shop/blog/manual-how-to-install-your-controller Where to buy a lid and seals for the controller. They may also be available from a supplier in the USA as this is from Europe. www.flowglider.com/index.php/product/wtfoc-mk2-for-little-focer-v3-hardware-pack/ Instructions customwheel.shop/blog/manual-how-to-install-your-controller How to install the settings of a pro rider. customwheel.shop/blog/how-to-install-the-settings-of-a-pro-rider
Just a chance that it can cut out on you if the batteries got too hot. If you are riding hard enough to generate heat id get one of matthews hub covers, racing hubs too they both reduce heat and you can start to wear full gear anyways
Just a mild to moderate Lithium fire if you're not careful 🤣 No BMS is not a permanent solution, but for a few weeks or months the risk is pretty low when starting off with a quality pack. But you do have to be more mindful about the state of your battery
It was nice meeting you yesterday on the float pack ride. Thanks for letting me test ride your board. All I can say is the hype is real! It’s literally the smoothest most balanced board I’ve ever felt. Vesk, enduro on some varials. 🤌🏻
You're welcome! Glad u got to feel it, so hard to describe how smooth it is. Waiting on my varials too! Enduro, W varials, 84V battery with vesc would be the perfect board ❤️🔥
@@MaxxSend so with the controller box being able to be 3d printed, wouldnt that technically mean you could incorporate a tilt kit without actually buying one for some W rails?
Such an awesome video. Been on the border of going VESC but now I'm convinced! Would love to see you do some chairing on the VESC too! I am wondering if the CBSP has a shorter (or longer) range if the new controller is better at utilizing the full range of voltage though.
@@MaxxSend lol - I'm not saying you can't run it down to 2% - you can even run it down below 0% since there's no BMS to stop you - but you are playing with fire, literally 😂
@@MaxxSend yes! Steve Schoonmaker and I are teaming up to see what magic we can get started with it. He's also gonna be making a video series of the process. However, after watching your video with the chi-batteries smart bms battery im also getting some more ideas for that. Thanks for asking.
I was fortunate to have a fully assembled controller built for me. They're working on preassembled solutions. For now you'll have to purchase the components and put it together, which seems like a pretty fun project: Link for the 3D printed controller box from Flowglider www.thingiverse.com/thing:5325535 Where to buy all the VESC parts you need if you live in the USA www.makerspev.com/collections/bundles Where to buy all the VESC parts if you live outside of the USA customwheel.shop/blog/manual-how-to-install-your-controller Where to buy a lid and seals for the controller. They may also be available from a supplier in the USA as this is from Europe. www.flowglider.com/index.php/product/wtfoc-mk2-for-little-focer-v3-hardware-pack/ Instructions customwheel.shop/blog/manual-how-to-install-your-controller How to install the settings of a pro rider. customwheel.shop/blog/how-to-install-the-settings-of-a-pro-rider
Max! Thanks for this video, but now you’ve put me in a weird spot. I’m riding a Pint right now, looking to upgrade as soon as I have the funds. Would you suggest the GT, or just get a used XR and start kitting it out? The high speed and torque of the GT really appeal to me (and the range) but open source stuff like this gets me all excited.
Go XR! IMHO. I started out on a Pint X and was looking to upgrade. Naturally I thought that would be the GT, as I was mainly just looking for a physically bigger board as I'm 6'3" and have big feet so the pint just isn't super comfortable for my feet on longer rides. Then I started looking into it more and more, found stuff like the CBXR and JWXR batteries, VESC, and just the absolute wealth of community and aftermarket industry that surrounds the XR. The kinda stuff that you simply can't put a price on. Tons of parts and mods out there, tons of knowledge, tons of people willing to help and share. All the kind of shit that FM is trying really hard to kill, most of all so (to date) with the GT. I was looking for a 4209 so I would have the ability to keep my XR alive for many years to come. I ultimately ended up with a 4212 and got a JWXR copper battery with the JWFFM chip. I love modding and tweaking, making stuff my own, and the XR allowed me to build an absolutely gucci board. Tail rails, grizzly bearings, badger bumpers, different footpad and grip tape, a flight fender, CNC enclosures, CNC hubs, CNC motor plate, some Ti hardware all riding on a TFL enduro.. some other little bits and bobs too. At this point, I'd take my XR over a GT any day of the week. If I got a GT, I wouldn't have been able to do a fraction of the things I was able to on the XR. And now that I have my JW chip, I can swap batteries as needed and keep it running for many years to come... And as VESC continues to develop, that is always an option as well.
yo catching up on all comments! absolutely a modded XR and/or vesc'ing it. Even with all the latest firmware updates with gt, I am still not a fan and will not buy one. Check out my most recent install vid with an 84V CBCSO battery with built in bms :) Hope you can try a VESC one day just for the smooth feeling!
@@MaxxSend Yo! Thanks for the reply. I'll have to do some searching around online to see if I can find an XR in good shape. I'm hearing mixed opinions about the GT, so the XR is definitely an appealing option right now. And I still don't have the money set aside to buy one, so there's no rush lol.
Nice Video, but there are a few things you got wrong. The VESC-Tool and VESC firmware are made by Benjamin Vedder. Then there are different VESC-Controllers: VESC 6, VESC 6/75, VESC 75/300 and VESC 100/250. These are all designed by and with Benjamin Vedder and are the official VESC line of products. Then there is third party hardware (VESC-compatible but not VESC) like the Little FOCer, Stormcore,Flipsky etc. Those are not "VESCs", just like a Teensy is not an Arduino. They are not officially licensed and have to carry a different branding. Another thing that exists is third party firmware, not from Vedder... So VESC refers to all the stuff Vedder is directly involved in, hence Vedder in the name.
I Get the feel that swapping XR motors using the stock controllers might actually be a bad thing if the VESC has to calibrate itself to that specific motor to work well. Not that swapping motors would be inherently dangerous, but you might not get the most out of your board without calibration. That being said, that the VESC has come this far is AMAZING! It gives me an option should my XR start failing in one way or another, especially since I can't just order what I need from FM :D
It should not require much (if any) calibration when swapping hubmotors provided they are the same type of motor. The number of poles will not change, nor the phase angle of the hall sensors etc as they are all factory set in the correct phase position when the motor is made. And even the motor inductance should be the same unless it is a different model of motor with different k:V rating.
At this point all we need is for third party front foot sensors (FM will eventually phase out the XR footpads) and the motor itself... unless there are alternatives I'm not aware of.
after my XR battery dies I might need to do CBXR and buy a vesc box once these boxes start being sold as just an all in 1 drop in to be free from FM # FFM # Welcome VESC
hell yea dude! the preassembled controllers are ready and shipping in about 2 weeks. did you order yet? www.makerspev.com/products/little-focer-fully-assembled-flowglider-box
Thanks for the support! That tire shoulder carving feature is inherent to vesc programming and a properly balanced imu. Same exact characteristic with my second vesc using a Burris street pro tire.
For VESC battery options, there's also the chi battery controller swap series, those batteries are built specifically for VESC applications. For a cheap headlight solution, you could get some retro reflective vinyl strips from someone like OW armor and apply white strip to the front and a red strip to the back. Just like NASCAR, your headlights would be stickers.
I’m planning to buy a GT because I need the platform. I’ve tried DIY kits and they aren’t as refined as the GT. I know that one day the battery will die and brick my GT. I’m going to drop in a VESC and 30 cells in a 15s2p config. Unless I can find an XR for less than $1000 this is the smartest long term solution.
go for it! with the newest firmware updates the gt has improved for sure, but still doesn't compare to the vesc in terms of smoothness, power and speed (with the right settings and battery). I've been tuning my board for 3 months now and have a trail settings tune card that many are loving, it's like an improved version of mission. plenty of XRs for around $1k. anyway enjoy the gt life! just here to show a legit competitive alternative.
I also plan on making a vesc board. I will never buy from FM. 2 used XR's (off a gt cancelationafter trying it cuz I personally hated how it feels not including the tire tried it out before cancelationand said "fuck it"), soon a vesc board when I get the money to build one up.
Have you even tried a vesc? Lol it's absolutely not because of the enduro, it's an inherent trait of vesc due to a properly balanced imu. I have my second vesc with a street pro tire, same exact characteristic.
This is awesome Max! So refreshing to get some non-nerdy VESC videos! Can't wait to see what you can do with this setup!!
Thanks brotha! Wanted to show the perspective from a tech-challenged guy lol. If I can adapt to this anyone can. Much love for helping throughout this process 👊🏻
your extra-nerdy vesc videos are excellent, too, tho!!! =)
You're awesome❗️
disappointed to see onewheel garbage instead of unicycles
@@Blox117 No one cares.
SUPER promising. I’ve built drones for more then 10 years and it’s amazing what open source accomplishes. More innovation is coming from the community than is from FM. More content with VESC please.
Open source and r2r makes it a win-win for everyone. Gt is just trying to play catch up. Let's get this innovation revolution going! 🤝🏻 More tests to come..
no its very sad to see one wheel trash instead of unicycles
I was just thinking that. I remember how much better FPV drones got just from guys playing with settings in Betaflight. Onewheel needs something like that, and I think this could be it.
This is it folks!
This is the big turning point, the milestone event!
A DIRECT PLUG-IN REPLACEMENT controller. 👍👍👍
It should already be fully programmed and setup for typical riders, and needs an easy to follow instruction guide for the simple tweak adjustments most people will make. I am sure they are working on that.
I have worked in the electronics industry for decades and have seen this turning point before. A plug-in replacement controller basically makes F.M's repair department obsolete. Plug-in replacement batteries are next (if not here already) and then we just need hubmotors.
I wonder if F.M. realise just how much their immoral stance on right to repair will cost them in the long run...
Fantastic video! You made my day. 👍🥇
fFM
Great news! I recently jumped on one again, and it still felt super wonky. Excited for ya'll to iron it out. High learning curve for sure to get it setup right. I really need to try one with settings that have been well groomed!!
This is so awesome. That kit looks so clean. I’m too busy shredding GT, but I’m stoked on the vesc builds progress!
I'm so happy for the innovation. Complete assembled controllers are around the corner. Can't wait for u to join one day ✌🏻
Same... I'll just wait and see what comes to fruition.
If it's awesome I'll buy it once it's available to all🤙🏼
My biggest question about VESC is the feel. So after seeing this I'm seriously stoked. Sounds better than i could have imagined.
same. way better
the feel is my favorite part of vesc by far. it's like floating on another level, I call it levetating lol.
RAD! We're getting 3 VESC boards set up down here in San Diego hopefully within the next few weeks. Just waiting on the other needed parts to come in. So excited!
You guys have a local shop or DYI? I'm in SD
@@DJCheLu Wheel Fun Stuff in Miramar!
@@Nosediver I didn't know they did VESC. Sweet!
@@DJCheLu Not yet, we are all building our first boards together. Hopefully it’ll turn out great 🤣
Right on! stoked for u guys, ur gonna love it ✌🏻🧈
I cannot wait to get my hands on this!
Keep up this. Always been super interested in the possibilities.
Thanks dude. A great test vid on pump tracks comin next wk 🙉
Can't wait to see more of that VESColution! Great video
Let's gey eVESCerated!! Thanks for your help dude 🫰🏼🍻
Looks super fun!
Subscribed. Can't wait till your next video where you test its highest settings!
Got an awesome vid coming up testing at a bmx track! ✌🏻
I love that there is no crunching from forward to reverse…also impressive how the nose was staying up! I’m very interested in the efficiency in terms of battery drain and heat on the motor. Amazing video! 🔥
thanks for the support! with my latest trail settings the nose doesn't dip nor lift! battery drain is similar to stock fm, maybe a mile or two less, temp is similar too if you're not doing crazy hill climbs lol
@@MaxxSend gonna need to come out there and try that beast 😈
Got a chance to ride an older version Uy and Brian were working on.....VESC is going to be awesome!
Hi Madd, that looks amazing. I would love you share a guide on how to build one VESC onewheel? Cheers!
It's a life changer for the floating life! There are vids out there of assembly instructions by @surfdado, check him out 🤙🏻fully plug n play controller solutions coming soon from www.makerspev.com
Sick video man. Super stoked for VESC. Dumping out one of my GTs this winter to fund my first build. If it goes well I’m switching over completely.
Would be pumped to see some trail shredding and some carving at speed on pavement.
Great content man 🤙🏼
man id drive over there right now to pick one up! i don't trust myself to build one lol.
Thanks dude! You're gonna love it. More test vids to come..
@@notsure6070 me neither, I just want to ride the damn thing 😆
@@MaxxSend stoked 🤙🏼
Very nice I do feel like I understand a little more about vesc now🤘😎🤘
Nice mission accomplished! Hope you get to try it one day :)
Is vesc the beginning of true competition onewheeling. I love how many options there are in the electric skateboard world. My buddy’s vesc is next level!
Thank goodness for the community coming together and working on this. If this doesn't whip Future Motion into shape, then nothing will. At least we are well on our way to a viable (if not even better) alternative.
Dude this is another level for the XR. So pumped 🙌 😎
Where can we purchase a 84V charger for a Onewheel XR VESC conversion to a 20S2P P28A 84V battery?
Chi battery's site. It says 72V (nominal) but good for 20S 84V max/5amp charging rate.
chibatterysystems.com/products/20s5a?variant=43010329116917
Dude. This is so promising!! What does Bhodi and Geoff think???
Absolutely amazing... Thanks.
Where can i find how to vesc my board from start? For an XR?
Hey Max- first off, GREAT video. I mean VESC is hot, and it was great to see it working so well, but honestly- this video was just a great time. LOVE the vibe, enjoyed every bit of the vid.
Where did you get the controller box from? Did it arrive fully assembled like that? Seemed like you just had a plug and play controller, but all I see on the websites is a kit for the controller, and then you need to order the controller box elsewhere, and the gasket and lid elsewhere and assemble it all yourself. Did they just put one together for you for the vid, or can you actually buy it like that?
Thanks Mike! Wanted to show the perspective from a tech-challenged person lol. If I can roll with this anyone can! I was fortunate to have a fully assembled controller sent to me by Brian at MakersPEV. They are still working on pricing for a fully assembled plug n play option. For now you'll have to order the parts separately from the links below and put it together. Which for some may actually be a fun project 😄 the biggest thing is the box, 3d printing is a great option now that you can download the public file on thingiverse. Check out the links below! Credit Lee Rowlands ✌🏻
To build a VESC like mine:
Link for the 3D printed controller box from Flowglider
www.thingiverse.com/thing:5325535
Where to buy all the VESC parts you need if you live in the USA
www.makerspev.com/collections/bundles
Where to buy all the VESC parts if you live outside of the USA
customwheel.shop/blog/manual-how-to-install-your-controller
Where to buy a lid and seals for the controller. They may also be available from a supplier in the USA as this is from Europe.
www.flowglider.com/index.php/product/wtfoc-mk2-for-little-focer-v3-hardware-pack/
Instructions
customwheel.shop/blog/manual-how-to-install-your-controller
How to install the settings of a pro rider.
customwheel.shop/blog/how-to-install-the-settings-of-a-pro-rider
@@MaxxSend ✅️🏆
so did you just put a lilfocer in bypass the bms and run the set up? could you do that with cbxr battery? just bypass the bms?
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*This is one of the things the OneWheel community needs!*
Hell yea dude, innovation revolution! 🤝🏻
Got damn, this got me excited!!!
Let's go dude, u stoked to get eVESCerated??
I seen outside of the US Link but can I get this controller for my GT?
Is there a good BMS option that fits somewhere inside where I can see my voltage read out? My 'lovely' 4212 denies me this information so if I'm going to go VESC I would like to solve this issues as well
You can see the voltage within the vesctool app. Eventually invest in an 84V CBCSO battery option with built in bms
@@MaxxSend I see the 72v on chi battery’s website. Are they doing a 84v as well?! That would be sick.
I only have a pint right now. Would it be better to buy a used XR and vesc it or just get a GT from the start? ps im 217 lbs. Thanks for the great vids!
appreciate the support! it depends on your riding style and budget. if you tend to shred hard on trails/tricks and/or more budget wary, hands down go for the XR. Super easy to vesc it and get more range/power than a gt with the right battery! if you have the budget and don't tend to ride hard, then gt is perfect for the mellow cruiser :) (gt is a bitch to repair if you break it)
where did you get the controller? i like that it came put together in a XR compatible case that is amazing
They were kind enough to send me one preassembled. They're working on a plug n play controller solution: www.MakersPEV.com
Love the vid bro, I need one for my pint
if Surfdado releases his hybrid settings then you get the benefit of Hannes settings at low speed and then ask the torque tiltback and no nose dipping at higher speeds.
Running the Surfdado settings now, more testing vids coming 🤘🏻
Nice review! Looking forward to trying it out :)
thanks! glad you got to try it and the enduro finally
Does a VESC OneWheel XR have potential for a higher top speed than the GT?
Absolutely! Upgrade the battery voltage up to 84V and you can get speeds around mid 30s mph (depending on rider weight, conditions etc). Check out the more recent vid I made of Kyle Hanson reaching 31mph on conservative settings. ua-cam.com/video/KYi-z2iUIFE/v-deo.html
@@MaxxSend Thank you for the quick reply! I just got my XR yesterday and that speed is addicting. It’s so smooth!
But it struggles on the grass, gets crunchy so was looking for more punch like VESC or CBXR.
Can it work with cbxr battery upgrade?
And how do I get it
I'm in!! 😆I'm a coder and 3d printer, so I'm sure I'll enjoy the customization. I'm also completely ignorant about electricity though, so I'm happy to hear you don't need to know the ins and outs of that stuff to get into it. If I can figure out how to do this for a Pint, I'll do this sooner rather than later!
you'll need to assemble these components for the pint. if you're not too savvy on electricity tho, I would opt for the preassembled controller for a few hundred more! www.makerspev.com/products/flowglider-diy-bundle
I literally have my enduro saved to put with my vesc once I can buy one. Do they have full controllers for sale? I thought u had to make em?
Such a fun video🙏🙏
Wondering if it’s more prone to break with time with vesc installed
been thrashing both my vesc boards (trails/tricks) for the last 6 months and have not broken them. Would've wrecked at least 2 fm controllers by now..
Definitely interested in this one 😎
It's pretty nuts how much we're held back from experiencing the motor and battery's full potential.. ⚡🔧
ikr, I was really surprised how much more torque was avail. even using a stock XR battery!!
With that said though, FM might be limiting current draw for a good reason, like e.g. prevent premature wear of the battery for example…
@@hugueslabbe7811 or to limit liability? Could be a lawyer decision rather than a performance one too…
My dude 🥶🥶🥶🥶
how to use vesc without buying any parts from future motion?
Community needs full parts list so FM becomes completely out of the picture
you can do this now, all that was missing was front footpad, harness and motor, and you can all of those aftermarket! Vesc is completely fm free.
Hey Max! Dope video. Thanks for putting it together!! What’s the range on the VESC as you have it set up?
thanks for the support! for a stock battery range was slightly less than stock XR, around 12 miles. I weigh 185lbs.
How do we get this kit? I think I might like to get one?
how do you go about getting a VESC kit like yours?
You can either get fully preassembled (sold out) or diy kit:
www.makerspev.com/collections/bundles?aff=3
More VESC info:
pev.dev/
awesome! how about side by side ride comparisons with XR, CBXR/JWXR, n GT?
How is charging handled with the BMS removed? I would think you would still want the BMS for charging and bypass it for riding.
I bypassed it temporarily cuz I wanted to experience the extra amps you get from the battery. Mind blowing! But yes you'll need the bms long term for balancing. If there was a way to toggle on/off that'd be amazing. Check out my most recent install vid: 84V CBCSO battery with built in bms :)
Will this be available for the pint x? Its the same battery and motor as the xr.
This can be done with any FM OneWheel. There's a good number of VESC Pints out there already, the bigger battery compartment of the PintX makes it an even better candidate
Can you use this on any XR? Where do I get more info on these & where to buy?
Any xr! Just replace the controller and decide on bms set up. Purchase here, fully assembled controller currently sold out: www.makerspev.com/collections/bundles?aff=3
More VESC info and bms set up options:
pev.dev/t/owie-wiring-fw-use-fm-bms-for-15s-vexr/336
@@MaxxSend Thank You!
Getting to VESC thing; how do I start? Basically where to get the parts needed? Best forums to learn? Would love to get the original XR / GT but FM is making that impossible.
yo catching up on all the comments! get a used XR, decide on stock battery or a more powerful one, and then you just need the Makerspev controller: www.makerspev.com/products/little-focer-fully-assembled-flowglider-box
I wanna build one and I'm starting from scratch so if you have a low milage hub/wheel I'd love to buy it
Any help would really be appreciated mr max. I'm jumping from a pint x to full blown xr vesc
I want to upgrade my Onewheel plus. What can I do to make it modernized?
www.makerspev.com/products/little-focer-fully-assembled-flowglider-box
so this test was done on a stock xr battery?
Correct
Wait ...you said it has as much torque is a GT? On a stock 63v battery? I was under the impression that because the motors are the same you would have to get a 75 V battery pack (like GT) to get something more comparable to GT torque?
Torque depends on max amps, not voltage. Higher voltage gets you higher speed but doesn’t directly increase torque at all. The GT has higher voltage allowing for higher speed than XR. It also can output more amps which is what gives it more torque
@@surfdado ok...amp discharge is most relevant (given a certain voltage)...agreed. But if this was a 63v pack...does the VESC setup allow for vastly more amp discharge (assuming the cell has the amp capability) than an XR controller?...to get similar torque to that of the GT or beyond??
@@ZuberEUC because Max has the BMS removed, the battery amps aren't limited. The VESC app lets you freely configure max battery amps and max motor amps. The stock XR battery is only rated for 30A max but you can temporarily get a lot more out of a pack like that, at the expense of battery life and health - but Max will soon upgrade to a much more powerful battery so he probably doesn't care about his stock battery.
@@surfdado THANKS for the enlightenment!! Ur channel and other vesc contributors are HEROs to the future of the onewheel style platform. I hope to get on the VESC train soon!!
With the motor on the pint being the same (smaller rims) how likely would it be to VESC a Pint?
Exactly the same! U can vesc anything, even a pint x and gt. But the gt wouldn't make sense due to larger rim and proprietary connectors.
KEEP IT UP!!
Thanks, more a'comin!
Where did you get the controller with the case??
For those keen to build a VESC like Max’s here is some useful links.
Link for the 3D printed controller box from Flowglider
www.thingiverse.com/thing:5325535
Where to buy all the VESC parts you need if you live in the USA
www.makerspev.com/collections/bundles
Where to buy all the VESC parts if you live outside of the USA
customwheel.shop/blog/manual-how-to-install-your-controller
Where to buy a lid and seals for the controller. They may also be available from a supplier in the USA as this is from Europe.
www.flowglider.com/index.php/product/wtfoc-mk2-for-little-focer-v3-hardware-pack/
Instructions
customwheel.shop/blog/manual-how-to-install-your-controller
How to install the settings of a pro rider.
customwheel.shop/blog/how-to-install-the-settings-of-a-pro-rider
what's the risk with not having the BMS in there?
Just a chance that it can cut out on you if the batteries got too hot. If you are riding hard enough to generate heat id get one of matthews hub covers, racing hubs too they both reduce heat and you can start to wear full gear anyways
@@jayleephotography1845 JUST that it can cut off mid ride? Sounds like a big risk to me! 😬
Just a mild to moderate Lithium fire if you're not careful 🤣 No BMS is not a permanent solution, but for a few weeks or months the risk is pretty low when starting off with a quality pack. But you do have to be more mindful about the state of your battery
MORE VESC please!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Got a bmx track test vid coming next! 🤘🏻🍻
I understand it provides more torque but does it increase top speed?
depends on battery, more volts = more torque, more amps = more speed
How much range would you get out of a charge?
Depends how u ride, mellow cruising approx 12-15miles
It was nice meeting you yesterday on the float pack ride. Thanks for letting me test ride your board. All I can say is the hype is real! It’s literally the smoothest most balanced board I’ve ever felt. Vesk, enduro on some varials. 🤌🏻
You're welcome! Glad u got to feel it, so hard to describe how smooth it is. Waiting on my varials too! Enduro, W varials, 84V battery with vesc would be the perfect board ❤️🔥
@@MaxxSend so with the controller box being able to be 3d printed, wouldnt that technically mean you could incorporate a tilt kit without actually buying one for some W rails?
Such an awesome video. Been on the border of going VESC but now I'm convinced! Would love to see you do some chairing on the VESC too!
I am wondering if the CBSP has a shorter (or longer) range if the new controller is better at utilizing the full range of voltage though.
without the BMS it's more likely to be less range. It wouldn't be safe to run your battery down to zero without a BMS
@@surfdado ran it down to 2% the other day 😅
@@MaxxSend lol - I'm not saying you can't run it down to 2% - you can even run it down below 0% since there's no BMS to stop you - but you are playing with fire, literally 😂
@@surfdado I think I belong in a circus 🫣
Uber exciting future we have ❗️
➖️📛➖️💨💨🤙🏾 #RTR
VESC is a beast! GT power in an XR package. Love it!!
Anyone know how I can get ahold of MaddMax I trashed my GT and would love to talk about making a vsec controller made for my gt
did you ever find a solution?
@@MaxxSend yes! Steve Schoonmaker and I are teaming up to see what magic we can get started with it. He's also gonna be making a video series of the process. However, after watching your video with the chi-batteries smart bms battery im also getting some more ideas for that. Thanks for asking.
Can you VESC and Plus?
That's best bang for the buck conversion. Same motor as the XR. I'm riding a VESC Plus right now... UA-cam VESC WTF to see my Plus
I want one I want one I want one!! Looks so cool!!! 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯amazing video
Also where can you purchase VESC?? Website?
Same.. I must have missed the link on where to purchase.
I was fortunate to have a fully assembled controller built for me. They're working on preassembled solutions. For now you'll have to purchase the components and put it together, which seems like a pretty fun project:
Link for the 3D printed controller box from Flowglider
www.thingiverse.com/thing:5325535
Where to buy all the VESC parts you need if you live in the USA
www.makerspev.com/collections/bundles
Where to buy all the VESC parts if you live outside of the USA
customwheel.shop/blog/manual-how-to-install-your-controller
Where to buy a lid and seals for the controller. They may also be available from a supplier in the USA as this is from Europe.
www.flowglider.com/index.php/product/wtfoc-mk2-for-little-focer-v3-hardware-pack/
Instructions
customwheel.shop/blog/manual-how-to-install-your-controller
How to install the settings of a pro rider.
customwheel.shop/blog/how-to-install-the-settings-of-a-pro-rider
@@isaacconley2582 web links at end of vid and in description, replied above☝🏻
Max! Thanks for this video, but now you’ve put me in a weird spot. I’m riding a Pint right now, looking to upgrade as soon as I have the funds. Would you suggest the GT, or just get a used XR and start kitting it out? The high speed and torque of the GT really appeal to me (and the range) but open source stuff like this gets me all excited.
Go XR! IMHO. I started out on a Pint X and was looking to upgrade. Naturally I thought that would be the GT, as I was mainly just looking for a physically bigger board as I'm 6'3" and have big feet so the pint just isn't super comfortable for my feet on longer rides. Then I started looking into it more and more, found stuff like the CBXR and JWXR batteries, VESC, and just the absolute wealth of community and aftermarket industry that surrounds the XR. The kinda stuff that you simply can't put a price on. Tons of parts and mods out there, tons of knowledge, tons of people willing to help and share. All the kind of shit that FM is trying really hard to kill, most of all so (to date) with the GT. I was looking for a 4209 so I would have the ability to keep my XR alive for many years to come. I ultimately ended up with a 4212 and got a JWXR copper battery with the JWFFM chip. I love modding and tweaking, making stuff my own, and the XR allowed me to build an absolutely gucci board. Tail rails, grizzly bearings, badger bumpers, different footpad and grip tape, a flight fender, CNC enclosures, CNC hubs, CNC motor plate, some Ti hardware all riding on a TFL enduro.. some other little bits and bobs too. At this point, I'd take my XR over a GT any day of the week. If I got a GT, I wouldn't have been able to do a fraction of the things I was able to on the XR. And now that I have my JW chip, I can swap batteries as needed and keep it running for many years to come... And as VESC continues to develop, that is always an option as well.
yo catching up on all comments! absolutely a modded XR and/or vesc'ing it. Even with all the latest firmware updates with gt, I am still not a fan and will not buy one. Check out my most recent install vid with an 84V CBCSO battery with built in bms :) Hope you can try a VESC one day just for the smooth feeling!
@@MaxxSend Yo! Thanks for the reply. I'll have to do some searching around online to see if I can find an XR in good shape. I'm hearing mixed opinions about the GT, so the XR is definitely an appealing option right now. And I still don't have the money set aside to buy one, so there's no rush lol.
Awesome info Max! Any chance you and this board will be at Shredfest?
yes! will be racing with it. come say hi and try it :-)
Nice Video, but there are a few things you got wrong. The VESC-Tool and VESC firmware are made by Benjamin Vedder. Then there are different VESC-Controllers: VESC 6, VESC 6/75, VESC 75/300 and VESC 100/250. These are all designed by and with Benjamin Vedder and are the official VESC line of products. Then there is third party hardware (VESC-compatible but not VESC) like the Little FOCer, Stormcore,Flipsky etc. Those are not "VESCs", just like a Teensy is not an Arduino. They are not officially licensed and have to carry a different branding. Another thing that exists is third party firmware, not from Vedder... So VESC refers to all the stuff Vedder is directly involved in, hence Vedder in the name.
Fuck yes bro! Sick representation of vesc 🔥🔥🤝
Range test? This is great.
Where do I get one?
Links in description! They're working on releasing a preassembled option. For now you have to buy components separately and assemble.
Does anybone have one built ready to rock nnroll I don't have a computer and several bricked pints wth lol
A fully preassembled plug n play controller solution coming soon! www.makerspev.com
YES!
More voltage more power... Can't go wrong really 🤷♂️🤘🏽❤️
and more amps more speed. Got an 84V now, goes 31mph. check out the newest vid :)
🔥❤️🔥
Added bonus, bypassing the expensive and commonly broke BMS.
Extra bonus, selling it to help fund future vesc conversions 🫰🏼
Does any one have a vesc pint yet I have donor brick to figure itbout
I Get the feel that swapping XR motors using the stock controllers might actually be a bad thing if the VESC has to calibrate itself to that specific motor to work well. Not that swapping motors would be inherently dangerous, but you might not get the most out of your board without calibration. That being said, that the VESC has come this far is AMAZING! It gives me an option should my XR start failing in one way or another, especially since I can't just order what I need from FM :D
It should not require much (if any) calibration when swapping hubmotors provided they are the same type of motor. The number of poles will not change, nor the phase angle of the hall sensors etc as they are all factory set in the correct phase position when the motor is made. And even the motor inductance should be the same unless it is a different model of motor with different k:V rating.
Top speed?
At this point all we need is for third party front foot sensors (FM will eventually phase out the XR footpads) and the motor itself... unless there are alternatives I'm not aware of.
platysense is an aftermarket concave XR front sensor footpad
Fungineers have a new 6inch hub motor going for $300, claimed performance better than or at least equal to xr. They also sell sensors for $35
i still remember the time you hopped on mine and kept doing circles saying you couldn't fall... LOL.. fun times.
after my XR battery dies I might need to do CBXR and buy a vesc box once these boxes start being sold as just an all in 1 drop in to be free from FM
# FFM # Welcome VESC
hell yea dude! the preassembled controllers are ready and shipping in about 2 weeks. did you order yet? www.makerspev.com/products/little-focer-fully-assembled-flowglider-box
Pray for VESC to overcome the FM monopoly
I wonder how much of the difference toy felt was due to the Enduro tire. Wish you controlled for that, but great video nonetheless
Thanks for the support! That tire shoulder carving feature is inherent to vesc programming and a properly balanced imu. Same exact characteristic with my second vesc using a Burris street pro tire.
For VESC battery options, there's also the chi battery controller swap series, those batteries are built specifically for VESC applications.
For a cheap headlight solution, you could get some retro reflective vinyl strips from someone like OW armor and apply white strip to the front and a red strip to the back. Just like NASCAR, your headlights would be stickers.
Thanks for the tips! I got an 84V CBCSO ready to install later this week. Will look into doing the reflectivr vinyl, miss my purple electrolytes 🥲
friend what is this VESC?
I made the video to answer ur question.. 😭
"better torque than a GT on a stock battery"... XR+CBXR/JWXR+VESC=Bye bye FM and their board sabotage BS
Take my money! No really, where can I purchase?
For now you'll have to purchase the components separately and assemble. Preassembled controller solution coming soon! www.makerspev.com
Whoa whoa whoa whoa? Wtf is this? And can you put a bigger tire on an XR+? I neeeed to know more.
things have progressed a lot since :) Check out pev.dev for all vesc related developments.
I’m planning to buy a GT because I need the platform. I’ve tried DIY kits and they aren’t as refined as the GT. I know that one day the battery will die and brick my GT. I’m going to drop in a VESC and 30 cells in a 15s2p config. Unless I can find an XR for less than $1000 this is the smartest long term solution.
go for it! with the newest firmware updates the gt has improved for sure, but still doesn't compare to the vesc in terms of smoothness, power and speed (with the right settings and battery). I've been tuning my board for 3 months now and have a trail settings tune card that many are loving, it's like an improved version of mission. plenty of XRs for around $1k. anyway enjoy the gt life! just here to show a legit competitive alternative.
No more error 16!
I also plan on making a vesc board. I will never buy from FM. 2 used XR's (off a gt cancelationafter trying it cuz I personally hated how it feels not including the tire tried it out before cancelationand said "fuck it"), soon a vesc board when I get the money to build one up.
are you set up with the vesc yet?? the feel for me is my favorite part. a higher level of floating: levitating.
@@MaxxSend not quite yet but got a buddy getting his in so imma mob tf out of it 😁
The sidewall thing is because of the enduro not the vesc
Have you even tried a vesc? Lol it's absolutely not because of the enduro, it's an inherent trait of vesc due to a properly balanced imu. I have my second vesc with a street pro tire, same exact characteristic.
"VESC, which stands for Variable Electric Speed Controller" WRONG!
“Vedder Electronic Speed Controller”
Yeah, wrong tho... It's named after the maker "Vedder" so Vedder ESC... And also, up to 84v... Nah.
I've seen Trampa with 100v 😉 dig more, nice video!
Chill out, bro! Honest mistake for someone new to VESC. Let’s not shame people. He’s doing the Onewheel VESC community a huge favor. Thanks, Max! 🤙🏻
@@marcstafford3675 it's not shame it's just correcting a mistake. Anyone using Vesc tool will see from website and app it's Vedder IP.
@@firepower9966 It was the “WRONG!” that did it for me. Just don’t be a turd about it.