@aviatiei We came from Ural Altai & Turan with the Scythians as our forfathers. dacia=SCYTHIA, proog the COLUMN of TRAJAN. Herodot describes the SCYTHIANS North of the DANUBE and the Carpathian Basin that includes Transsylvania too ( you do not know probably ). You WALLACHS, you were still in Calabria , MOUNTING SHEEPS and GOATS. JUSTINIAN brought you over to ILLYRIA, in 530 ANNO DOMINI, South of the Balkan, thats when your history starts. You better concentrate on your real History
The HUNGARIAN city, KOLOZSVÁR was only named 'cluj-napoca' in 1974 by hated Communist Dictator Nicolae Ceausescu! FACT. KOLOZSVÁR WAS GIVEN TO ROMANIA IN TRIANON DIKTAT OF 1921! AND AGAIN IN 1947! KOLOZSVÁR HAD A HUNGARIAN MAJORITY POPULATION UP UNTIL 1956! KOLOZSVÁR WAS ALWAYS PART OF HUNGARY OR TRANSYLVANIA, NEVER 'ROMANIA', A RECENT INVENTION.
+Hungaria56 yes..it is normal that in the big cities to have been a majority of hungarian people in that period of time...but the romanians were living at the countryside as peasants...you can look up the first census in transylvania ordered by the king of hungary..it showed 65 percent of the population to be romanian and the rest hungaryan,saxon and others...so stop spreading your false propaganda..hungaryans were a majority only in the cities but not in transylvania as a whole.
sergiu muncaci its hard for them to accept this truth after years of propaganda..They don`t realize that they are not hungarians..they are romanians,austrians,germans,sloovacks and serbian peolpe foreced to become hunGAYrian
Hungaria56 suck my cock liar.. Official censuses with information on Transylvania's population have been conducted since the 18th century. On May 1, 1784 the Emperor Joseph II called for the first official census of the Habsburg Empire, including Transylvania. The data was published in 1787, and this census showed only the overall population (1,440,986 inhabitants).[26] Fényes Elek, a 19th-century Hungarian statistician, estimated in 1842 that in the population of Transylvania for the years 1830-1840 the majority were 62.3% Romanians and 23.3% Hungarians. In the last quarter of the 19th century, the Hungarian population of Transylvania increased from 24.9% in 1869 to 31.6%, as indicated in the 1910 Hungarian census. At the same time, the percentage of Romanian population decreased from 59.0% to 53.8% and the percentage of German population decreased from 11.9% to 10.7%, for a total population of 5,262,495. Magyarization policies greatly contributed to this shift.
@alex4ucj Following your Herds up the mountains of the BALKANS and later around the XII-XIII in the carpathians. You reach as north as POLAND, SLOVAKIA and even the CAUCASIAN mountains. There was no Dacia in Poland and Slovakia, neither in Bulgaria, Grece or Albania. You always inhabitat the Montain areas as NOMADIC MIGRATORY PEOPLE. Afirmed and Stated by Bulgarians , Greeks, Albanians, Serbians, Macedonians, not Hungarians.
@draconessoimaru But one hungarian and (maybe) a romanian will have a half hungarian-romanian kid (50-50, you dont have even 1% more to call him rather romanian). Secondly he was born in hungary, he lived in hungary, he considered himself as a hungarian (and not even a bit as anything else) and had the blood of the hungarian king. Summary: according to these lots of thing, he is hungarian. Hunyadi Mátyás: half hungarian (by only blood) father and a hungarian mother = 75 % hungarian origin :)
You Rumanians , you used the name Belgrad for Gyulafehervar, from the slavic. Only in the XIX Century you took up the name Alba Iulia, from the latin, in the Roman Latin it was APULUM, so if you have a Daco-Roman Continuity it should've been Apulum in Rumanian. Alba Julia was used by the Hungarians and the Roman Catholic Church
figyelj,én nem ellenségesedésbol mondtam ,csak az a helyzet ,hogy van ,hogy naponta neveznek ungurnak ,és nem nagyon tetszik,én megprobálok jobb lenni ezért annyiba hagyom.Engem szidhat bárki ,de ha a hazárol esik szó nem érdekel,én a védelmébe szállok,én mindig is a magyar hont fogom szolgálni!
Little country with no history and one lake(balta) Balaton fuck off www.cunoastelumea.ro/dr-petrisor-peiu-cacealmaua-marii-civilizatii-austro-ungare-din-transilvania/?fbclid=IwAR0u1pb4k4yj0kazem3XthBMbDHR6Vjg4qkx1oHDU-tMvpdRJlGhQkRlodE
:) Firstly, everybody dies in the end so stop wishing each other's deaths. Secondly, if you understand the language i'm writing in, you probably know we are all victims of the globalization and then you won't have these kind of nationality problems (personally, i would try fighting this bigger problem).
@alex4ucj The VLCHS remaining in the Southern part of the Danube ( ISTRO in Thracian ), took on a lot of GREEK WORDS, not thought or discussed between Rumanian scholars. If you remove 45 % Slavic words- influence from Rumanian and the 8-9% Hungarian words-influence in Rumanian we are left with a Calabrian Dialect. This shows clearly your ORIGIN as PASTORES ROMANES. From ILLYRIA you start to break up in small nomadic groups, migrating with your Herds, East and North
@Onogundur The documentation of colonization of Vlachs is exceedingly sparse for such a large populace. Of the 217 documents pertaining to Transylvania during the reign of Ladislaus IV, none of them mention any "colonization of Vlachs". Comparatively, we have documents referring to the colonization in Transylvania of the Teutonic Knights, and Saxons, and Szekelers, but noting about "Vlach migrants". There are many documentations about Saxon, Teutonic Knight and Szekeler colonization.. sorry.
What a sad and unnecesary fight for a piece of land! No one will take a coin or a gramm of soil when his time will run out. Instead respecting and helping each other we are fighting over something that doesn't belong to us at the end. I guess most of us call themselves christians, but when it comes to political topics all christianity is forgotten. When Jesus came as God incarneted in human form He came for all men, not only for hungarians, rumanians or whatever human race. You have to decide with your words and deeds if you want to stick on this planet for 70 - 80 years and die or if you want to inherite eternal life in Gods everlasting kingdom! The only currency that is accepted there is LOVE and true JUSTICE. Your race, fame or eartly titles have no value there! So come and join the heavently citizenship! 👋😊
@huncutAttila7 We know that first around 250,000 Hungarians left Transsylvania around an after the Treaty of Trianon. Second big wave ( 150,000 ) left Southern Transsylvania in 1940 and by 1945 they all left Northern Transsylvania for Hungary, Europe and U.S.A.. Another big wave left Transsylvania after 1989, again around 150,000-200,000. Than on top of it it was the Rumanization Policy for 90 years, probably 1 million ( mixed marriages mostly but jobs too ).
@alex4ucj Common man, now half of Europe was sharing with you the same language !! You share it with the Albanians, about 10% of your language, because you coexisted with them for more than 300 years. Remember ,when Justinian brought you over from Calabria 530 Anno Domini as Pastores Romanes, he settled you first in ILLYRIA which is just across from Calabria ( Ionic sea between ). In Gesta Hungarorum there are the PASTORES ROMANES who retreat in the winter to the SOUTH=Balkan.
@huncutAttila7 Romanians fought for Transylvania, both diplomatic and physical. Do you think it was easy for us, 150,000 soldiers were send to labor in Siberia without any reasons, and the rest of the army had a Soviet machine gun pointing at their backs and a German machine gun pointing at their front, Romanians did their best to fight for Bessarabia and for North Transylvania territories stole by Nazis and Bolsheviks. We fought both. Transylvania decided with Romania in 1918, it's our will.
Its a nice MOVIE about Transylvania. Are they Rumanians or Hungarians, GREETING ADMIRAL HORTHY MIKLOS de NAGYBANYA in KOLOZSVAR, 1940 ? 60 years ago it was 90 % HUNGARIAN KOLOZSVAR. Soon it will be again. AUTONOMY FOR THE 2 MILLION HUNGARIANS IN TRANSYLVANIA / RUMANIA. A BETTER LIFE FOR THE HUNGARIANS, OPPRESSED, DEGRADDED, HUMILIATED, for 90 YEARS, going through ETHNIC CLEANSING, DEPORTATIONS etc.
@alex4ucj That means that you Rumanians are related to ALBANIANS as I said it many times. All Europeans are related to each other in a way or another. So what you try to say is again NONSENS. The VLACHS were influenced by the people where ever they went, in their NOMADIC life style. The Aromanians were influenced by the GREEKS, the Macedorumanians by Bulgarians, and Rumanians were influenced by the Slavic, Hungarian and German people.
@alex4ucj As I said you came from Calabrias MOUNTAINS as Pastores Romanes brought over by Justinian in 530 Anno Domini and settled you in todays Albania ( ILLYRIA that time ). Your Grammar changed following the Albanian grammar as posted before. You VLACHS ( meaning SHEPHERDS ) took on the ORTHODOX GREEK FAITH, this is one influence, the Other influence is taking on about 45 % of Slavic words coexisting with the Slavizized Bulgars.
@lugano288 Read about Jireček Line. This line is important in establishing the area where the Romanian and Aromanian people were formed, it is considered that a Latin-speaking people may have formed near this area since there are Latin Vlach speakers to the north and south of it. If Romanians would have been formed in the south of the Balkans, they would have adopted the southern dialect with Hellenic influence as Aromanians share today. But they didn't, so your theory fails big time.
@lugano288 Illyrians former people that lived in today Albania, shared according to most historical sources almost an identical language with Dacians. That's the origin of those words that we share. There is no proof about any massive Vlach migration from "Albania", you overreact with this silly theory. If we would trace our origin from that region, we would adopt the Hellenic influence, not the Latin influence as we are today, due to the Nordic region of our origin.
@alex4ucj These are FACTS not magyar THEORIES. JUSTINIAN brought you over from the Mountains of Calabria to ILLYRIA ( ALBANIA ) 530-535 A.D. ( Pastores Romanes ) Here in Albania, coexisting with the Albanians, changed your GRAMMAR, the article going to the end of the word from the beginning of the word, exemple : IL UOMO in Rumanian became OMU-L, just like in the Albanian language, no other European language is using it. Also your name becomes " VLACH ", from the town of VL:ACH.
@alex4ucj Your long JOURNEY starts in 530 A.D. when Justinian brings you over from the MOUNTAINS of CALABRIA. 800 years later you appear in the Carpathian Basin coming from the Balkan. You Rumanian you should concentrate on your real HISTORY not on a ILLUSORYCAL one. You are the only Nation in Europe denying your own ORIGIN. Thats why you do not have any Rumanian names neither in Transsylvania nor in REGAT or MOLDOVA. Even your Bucuresti is of TURKISH origin " BUKRUS"
@alex4ucj In the Latin Language the word "Clus" , does not exist. KLUZS(J) is of Slavic origin, probably from the VII-VIII Century. In Latin Language, closed could be CONCLUSUS or CLAUDERE / CLAUSUM ( neutral ). the German name (C)KLAUSEN - BURG indeed is from the Latin CLAUDERE / CLAUSUM, meaning closed or inclosed fortress. So your name again is neither of ROMAN nor DACIC origin, is of SLAVIC origin just like you used for GYULAFEHERVAR, the Slavic name BA(E)LGRAD
@lugano288 As I said bellow, historically is not possible for Cluj to have an "Avar" etymology, since the Avars disappeared 400 years ago after the city was first mentioned during medieval period. Cluj eymology comes from Clus, Castrum Clus, which means Close Fortress, even in Hungarian sounds very alike "Kolozs" (Clus) "var" (Castrum). But the first record of this city was as Clus, and the most closest version to it is the Romanian one.Why do you keep embarrassing yourself?
@alex4ucj As I said CULUS or KOLOZS or KOLOZSVAR are of Hungarian Avar origin. CLUJ=KLUZS (j) is of Slavic origin, creek with dam.. clus does not exist in latin or any other language. KOLOZSVAR in Hungarian means FORTIFIED MONASTERY, either you like it or not. In German it means Fortified or closed FORTRESS. KLAUSEN= CLOSED and Burg is aFORTIFICATION. So either you like it or not thats the TRUTH. Istro is the ANTIK GREEK / Thracian name for the Danube.
@lugano288 Sorry but I explained you the etymology of "Cluj" already bellow, if you're interested you can read, if not, go ahead and crave with your fairy tales explications. There was no Cluj as a city during the period where the last Avars existed mentioned for the last time in 871 after they disappeared as an ethnicity after three generations, mixing with Slavs and other new comers. Cluj was mentioned in 1213, Avars disappeared 400 years ago. There is no "Old Hungarian" word origin neither.
@alex4ucj The Rumanian name CLUJ is of Slavic origin, has nothing to do with the hungarian origin and nothing to do with the German origin. KLUZS (J) is of Slavic, as i said CREEK with DAM, probably the SZAMOS river. The word, CLUS in Latin does not exist. CULUS or KOLOZS is Old Hungarian / Avar, meaning near the forest or KOLOZS could mean KOLOSTOR=Kolozsvar meaning FORTIFIED MONASTERY
@alex4ucj We are talking about ARANYOS which means AURATUS, or GOLD or GOLDIS, ARIES means nothing in Rumanian or any other language. its a close phonetic form of the HUNGARIAN ARANYOS. It just shows that you have no continuity in Transylvania or any other area in the Carpathian basin or the Balkan. You should rather concentrate on your real History, which starts in tyhe Mountains of Calabria in 530 ANNO DOMINNI.
@lugano288 "So how come you do not call the DANUBE RIVER, ISTRO=Danube in Thracian and OLD GREEK" That's a lie Thracians didn't used that name. Ernst Gamillschag (1887 - 1971, specialist in Romance studies) has attested that the Romanians have preserved the Thracian word for the Danube, Donaris/Donare which means "The big river". The name Donaris was borrowed by the Romans who mixed with the Dacians, and this word has been well preserved.
@alex4ucj One more thing. The Dacian Settlement was DIEMA not Turda. So Torda has nothing to do neither with Potaissa nor Diema. You always use in Rumanian the Hungarian names either the Phonetic form or Direct Translation By the way ARANYOS is Dacian too, you know the river crossing the town, TORDA, it means GOLD, GOLDISH, what does it mean in Rumanian ARIES, you know what ??, nothing, just a PHONETIC FORM from the Hungarian, ARANYOS.
@alex4ucj Here we go again. For you everything is Dacian. Just leave it Hungarian, thats the Real name, not Dacian, its a very popular Hungarian name on top of it. Torda, Tordai, Torday, Thorday, etc. How are you comming up with all these NONSENSES, when Dacian its not written and its not used for 1800 years. Even in Rumanian "0" words are of Dacian origin. Culus=Kolozs is an old AVAR name, not Roman. in Roman CONCLUSUS=CLOSED CULUS=KOLOZS means in old Hungarian, near the FOREST.
@alex4ucj In 1556 and 1568 there was no Turda that time, it was TORDA and THORENBURG. What a coincidence again, TORDA and Turda, you are using again the Hungarian form for Turda. If you are of Roman or Dacian origin you shoud have used POTAISSA, not Turda, but its not late you can add Potaissa just like you did with napoca. Half of the Rumanians today they believe that Napoca is in a continuous use since the Roman times. They do not know that Ceusescus Cluj-Napoca is only from 1972.
@alex4ucj I know your Ruimanian history doesn't teach you about all these things, like Religious freedom in transylvania, Prince Janos Zsigmond, the Diet of Transsylvania, the Hungarian princes of Transsylvania from 1541-1711, when it is a Pricipality. You are still in the DACO-Roman stage. How many pages are in the books now about that period. When I studied in the 1970's there were only 10 pages for a 1000 years, one page per 100 years. ERDELY MAGYAR FOLD, AUTONOMY FOR SZEKELYORSZAG
There was no Hungarian Militia attacking Rumanians because the Hungarians had only one enemy, and that enemy was the Austrian . Rumanians attacked the Hungarian children , women and elderly under Avram Iancu because it was an easy target and he had no army to face the mighty Honveds. He akted under the specific instructions of the Austrians, he went several times to Vienna. He faced the Honveds only when they got the horrifying " SLAUGHTER of the HUNGARIANS ".
He should've fought the Austrians not slaughtering children, women and elderly, or for you Rumanians is O.K.. How about the Honveds ?? , if they would have slaughtered inocent rumanian children, women and elderly in the Apuseni, around 50-60,000. Thats why the Gyulafehervar, Enyed, Tovis, Torda area became predominantly Rumanian from a predominantly Hungarian. Your Avram Iancu, he even slaughtered all the students from Enyed, from the Bethlen Gabor Collegi ( 2000 )
@KCvideos65 The other half of Moldova stolen today it is in Rep. Moldova where 70% of the people are ethnic Romanian (Moldavian), and other parts in Ukraine where they stole our Black Sea platform, Stalin killed around 500,000 Romanians there, and assimilated them all, all Romanians there speak Russian because of the Soviet influence, that's why Romania and Rep. Moldova are not united, because they have different policies than us. But maybe in future we'll be one again united, and in EU both.
@KCvideos65 France and Romania were best friends in 18-19 centuries, and even today, we are Francophone members, of course that French people don't like the gypsies, we don't like them also. Slavic language? I read words in Romanian dated 15-19 centuries, the Romanian back then was very similar with the today Romanian which is a Latin language. Stojka is Hungarian, and ethnic Roma, there are a lot of gypsies in Hungary, you should recognize this problem, rather than avoid it. Just as we do.
@KCvideos65 Sorry but this territory never belonged to Hungary, Transylvania always shared different and autonomous status during the last 500 years, if you would read some history you know that. And it is part of Romania because Transylvanians declared their will to unite with Kingdom of Romania in 1 December 1918. As for calling me "Romani" it is the meaning "man, husband", with the plural roma in Gypsy language no connection with the word "Romanian".Those are two different ethnic groups.
@Onogundur Ioannes Kinnamos. The Byzantine writer Joannes Kinnamos writes of the Vlachs North of the Danube in 1167, saying: "Leon, also known as Vatatzes, brought many soldiers from other areas, even a large number of Vlachs, about whom it is said that they are the descendants of colonists from Italy." Nice try, punk. Even Kinnamos attested our presence north of Danube and our part of Roman descend.
@SiegfriedTarnovo The Descriptio Europæ Orientalis, which was written by a French monk in 1308, discovered in the Paris Library, mention ten Vlach kings that were defeated by the Hungarians of Arpad. As I've said, most of the recorded historical evidence regarding this region talks about Romanians. Can you show any recorded evidence about any sorts of "Romanian migration"? You only make assumptions and speculations, mostly stories and insults, same things you say about Slovaks also.
@SiegfriedTarnovo We have another document in 1224 Andrew II of Hungary (1205-1235) granted special liberties to the Saxons who had settled in southern Transylvania. They were also granted the right to use "the forest of the Romanians and the Pechenegs". Meaning that Romanians were already there, before Saxons were colonized in their "forests" regions in 1224. Meaning that Vlachs are more older than 12-13 centuries in Transylvania.. See? How easy is to prove your lies and infantile hatred.
@SiegfriedTarnovo For instance The Knights Hospitallers who are settled in Oltenia in 1247. In their document of settlement they are told to not accept any settlers from Transylvania and to return them to the estates of their lords. I don't even need to talk about the Turda degree from 13 century, when Romanians were practically brutalized (both in rights and literally speaking) by the middle ages Hungarians. So what makes you think that Vlachs wanted to come into your land, that's stupid.
@SiegfriedTarnovo "After the 12th century, the Pope asks to hungarian king to settle you in Erdely." Haha.. this theory is quite stupid, you don't even understand the situation from 11-13 centuries in Transylvania, Vlachs who would searched "a better place" in a Catholic religion it's like today Christians would search a "better place"in Saudi Arabia. In fact there are many recorded evidence that Vlachs flew out from Transylvania to escape the Magyar persecution and confiscation of properties.
@SiegfriedTarnovo During the Middle Ages, the word Olah was used both when referring to Romanians as well as Italians, which shows that the Romanians were very similar to Italians in terms of language, and that the Magyar tribes had encountered both ethnic groups at roughly the same time, in the late 9th and early 10th century, when the Magyars raided Northern Italy. There is no document to attest such large migration, no logistic, no recorded evidence, it's clear that your arguments are invalid
@Onogundur Sorry but Nestor was referring to Romanians, on the east side of Hungarians, east meaning the region of Transylvania "Coming from the east, they /the Magyars/ marched in haste over the high mountains, and began to fight against the Volochi (Волох) and the Slavs who inhabited these countries. Later, however, the Magyars drove out the Volochi, and settled in their country" The more excuses you invent, the more pathetic you look.
@themagnussons "illegaly tried to rip out a part of an independent, souveraigne state by organizing some kind of a vote on separation" Is that the words that we should call the Szekelers autonomist also? Catalonia is a majority Catalan region with their own language, they gladly deserve a sort of self emancipation, than same for the Albanians from Kosovo, United States helped them. Who are the terrorists? Wasn't the minority Hungarians who subjugated Romanians, Slovaks, Serbs for centuries?
@themagnussons I'm sorry if I believe 1,000 old chronicles about our origin starting with Kekaumenos Byzantine chronicle and other chronicles date centuries ago, rather than a new invented Hungarian propaganda in the late 19 century that we are "migrants", after you've realized that territories will be lost you started to invent stories about Slovaks and Romanians, same story, same pattern, "shepherd, migrants". There's no evidence regarding a historical record of any sort of "migrations".
@themagnussons "Your lands", did you peed on them to take make it yours? Romanians always lived here, long time before you, Don't worry about Mattias Corvinus statue, we Romanians restored it this year and made it beautiful. We don' want to be part of Hungary, we've always lived here for centuries even with autonomous status within Habsburg and Austro-H empires,so get over it. Transylvania never belonged and it won't ever belong to you, I live right in the heart of it, I can assure you.
@themagnussons Why do you insult so much? I've just said the truth, truth hurts? Yes he will be forever a Hungarian King, but it's origins shall remain Romanian-Hungarian from Transylvania because this is the truth, even he spoke our language, even his own writer Antonio Bonfini from it's court attested that he traces his origin from Romanians also, and Mattias Corvinus agreed with those writings, he never rejected Antonio Bonfini's writings. I'm Romanian, I don't have gypsy roots.
@themagnussons If you think that "Germans flourished under your rule" how come Austria has a GDP per capital twice than yours, after you left Austrian-Hungary, Hungary alone was in large decay, with peasant mentality, with large idiotic left wing and right wing ideologies, without Austria today you are no longer a power, you are more poorer, Austria made you great and notice in history, alone you're nothing. GDP per capita Austria $39,400 GDP per capita Hungary $18,800 ......
@themagnussons "Betrayed" them? Most of the Germans who really liked it here stayed, nobody was forced to leave.. they wanted to leave by their own will. For instance the major of Sibiu Klaus Johannis, is German, elected by Romanians, he never leaved. he was near to become the Prime-Minister of Romania, and he still have chances for the future to this position "The Saxons flurished under Hungarian rule" It's quite the opposite, Hungarians flourished under Austrian-German rule.
@themagnussons We have nothing to do with Romans and Dacians.. than why do we share a Latin language, the same like Italians, French, Spanish etc. Most of our words are by latin origin. Than why do we share folk traditions that even the Dacians had? Our only connections with Albanians was that Illyrians (Albanian's forefathers) shared the same ethnicity as Dacians (our forefathers). Nobody stole Transylvania, in 1918, 65% of the Transylvanians decided in favor of it's union with Romania.
@themagnussons And you were not the "hosts". You were the "guests" on this ancient land. Read about the The Transylvanian Memorandum that was a petition sent in 1892 by the leaders of the Romanians of Transylvania to the Austro-Hungarian Emperor-King Franz Joseph, asking for equal ethnic rights with the Hungarians, and demanding an end to persecutions and Magyarization attempts. The authors were tried for "homeland betrayal" in Cluj during May 1894, being sentenced to long prison terms.
@themagnussons" As for the rights of the wallachians ("romanians") in Transylvania under Hungarian rule or the rights of other ethnic minorities such as Germans, they were equal to the hungarian host's rights!" Spear me with your lies, Transylvanian Romanians faced constant persecution and discrimination, they numbered 3 million and only 40,000 of them had the right to vote, while out of 1,3 million Hungarians 700,000 had the right to vote. "equal to the hungarian host's rights" Sure....
and Hitler and Stalin were the same, criminals of war, you can't say that it's a shame for us that we were in war against Stalin and then against Hitler, we were in war just to get back some teritories stolen from us by Hungarians and Russians, it's more important to get back your national teritories then a stupid pact or respect for an ally, Romanian never had allys, the only ally of Romania is the Black Sea and maybe Serbia
hungarians and russians were always in the eyes of romanians enemies,so we don't care if we betrayed you, or you think"we stab you in the back",we simple just DON'T CARE we just wanted peace and all of our teritories reunificate with Romania (even whole Transylvania) because we had Romanian majority there in the Trianon year in Transylvania were 55% Romanians and only 33% Hungarians (search wikipedia or other history books)
@alex4ucj Thats the only reason ( nomadic life style ) that you have no original Rumanian names, not even in MOLDOVA or HAVASELVE ( VLACHIA). And you always inhabitat the Mountains. Why don't you have Rumanian names from the MIDDLE AGES in Transylvania ??, you don't even use Roman / Latin or Dacian names, what you are useing are, Slavic, Hungarian or German origin.
@alex4ucj As soon you open your mouth, each word or phrase is a LIE, a FAKE STATEMENT, a SHRUD SNEAKY approach to the TRUTH. When I said that Torda is Hubgarian name , you said its from the dacian TURDAVA, this name doesn't even exist or ever existed, the Dacian name was DIEMA, nothing with Torda or Turdava.
uraeaus, yes you did that, but the territories weren't Hungarina majority and it's not fare for the other majority people to be oppressed and force in your language just because you desire so, majority always rule, this is the basic rule of democracy, something that in Middle Ages we didn't know about it
@alex4ucj One is AURATUS and another thing is ARIES, nothing in common, not even PHONETICALY. ARIES is the phonetic form of ARANYOS, very close phoneticaly, the only difference is that in HUNGARIAN has a meaning "GOLD, GOLDISH", ARIES has "0" mening in Rumanian.
@themagnussons: you could get a bit more information before talking. If you want a sample of how the Hungarians kept Transylvania for 1000 years, just look up "Once upon a time in Transylvania" here on youtube - it's spoken in Romanian, but has English subtitles.
@huncutAttila7 My family was EYEWITNESS to the ATROCITIES commited by the Rumanian Goverment.. They are gone , all of them, even my parents. Like I said, I never met my grandmother, she died in the CAMP in 1958, I was a toddler, she was only 63 years old
this is not a circus, you cant thinnk abour that, you are not hungarian and neither in the situation that your country was torn apart. anyway Erdély had been hungarian before 1000 A.D. if you dont know the real facts dont write false sentences thanks
The russian were signed peace after comunist revolution in 1917.... No one teach you about French Military Mission who prepaid romanian army in the winter of 1917 and the big victories at Oituz, Marasesti ,Marasti!Normal....
our ancestors were the ones that built sarmisegetuza!!!I don't think that nomads had built cities or fortresses?!?!and we aren't a nation of pastors as you think!!!oh..I forgot!!!Try reading your own Gesta Hunganorum!!!
@alex4ucj So than you Rumanians, why do you hate so much ADMIRAL HORTHY MIKLOS de Nagybanya ?? That means he was only a PUPET playing the games for the Rumanians. YOU are Fakeing now Hungarys history too, not only yours
@themagnussons Hungarian oláh Romanian Czech Vlach Italian Polish Włoch Italian Polish Wołoch Romanian/Vlach Croatian (western dialects) Vlah Italian Slovene Lah Italian Clear resemble, Olah it's almost the same as Olasz.
@themagnussons "how the first "wallachains" entered Transylvania in the 12th. century from the south" That's pure fiction and lies, how can you sustain such stories without having some decent real proofs?
@themagnussons Yes communism reign was terrible, many suffered even including Romanians. Hope the Transylvanian Germans will return to reclaim their rights and properties, as long as they want to stay here.
Actually? When? Withtogether Mackensen's army, sure. But as I know, You were in alliance with them many times. Against the Turkish (ottomans) and Tatars. And of cours at the beginning of the first war.
@alex4ucj In the winter the PASTORES ROMANES retrieve to the South in the Balkans and reappear in the Spring with the HERDS in Pannonia and the mountains of Transsylvania. Anonymous, in Gesta Hungarorum
@SiegfriedTarnovo "Your land" meaning that it belonged to the KOH. But it wasn't really your land, we were already here and we eat shit because we didn't wanted to leave our birthplace.
@Onogundur Transylvanians are not defined by religion criteria, but by ethnicity regional criteria Romanians, Hungarians, Germans, others who lived in Transylvania = Transylvanians
I am glad that a you are a hungarian to whom romanians could talk without swearing...but romanians are descedents from the ancient dacians.and there is proof to show it!!
@SiegfriedTarnovo Genetic testing on Romanian HLA groups have confirmed a distinct genetic affinity of the Romanians to Italians, indicating Roman ancestry.
@alex4ucj And who were this 'pagans'? Were huns, gepids, avars, bulgarians etc. believing christians? We knows that the church of Demsus was builded in the 13th century in the age of the Romanian incoming. There isn't any sign of a pagan temple, this is only a postulate. Nationalism needs symbols - in Hungary or in the whole world too.
Felhangzott a szó zeng az induló Győztesek megint régi zászlaink Nézd a gúny határt, széttiporva már Várnak újra mind ősi bérceink Bérces Erdély itt vagyunk Érted élünk és halunk Győz a szittya förgeteg a rohanó sereg Bérces Erdély itt vagyunk Érted élünk és halunk Győz a szittya förgeteg a rohanó sereg Lépteink nyomán, fenn a Hargitán völgyeinkben lenn tornyok hangja zeng Már semerre sincs átkozott bilincs énekeljetek, völgyek és hegyek Bérces Erdély itt vagyunk Érted élünk és halunk Győz a szittya förgeteg a rohanó sereg Bérces Erdély itt vagyunk Érted élünk és halunk Győz a szittya förgeteg a rohanó sereg
SI DACA SUNTETI ASA DE TARI..-----SPUNETI-MI------DE CE NU AVETI AMINTIRI????-----DE CE NU AVETI CEVA..-CARE SA VA DOVEDEASCA CA SUNTETI...MOSI STRAMOSI PE PAMANTUL ARDELENESC????...CA NOI AVEM..-:)-SI SUNTEM RECUNOSCUTI DE LUMEA INTERNATIONALA...-DAR...-VOI????-------ASA CA,MAI INVATATI PUTIN ISTORIE..-NU-CEEA CE VA INVATAT CEAUSESCU...-ETC...------INVATATI PUTIN ISTORIE ADEVARATA....
@draconessoimaru Eu de mult nu... (stiai ca Japonia are un institut axat numai pe istoria maghiara si imparatul in persoana a trimis o scrisoare deschisa Academiei din Pesta sa schimbe istoria mincinoasa de cai si 892 pt. ca nu isi are locul). Stiai ca incasii foloseau aceiasi limba ca noi, doar ca desteptii din Pesta nu recunosc nimic, pt. ca le fac pe plac altor cercuri? Anyway, nu ma crede..iti doresc doar sa traiesti inca cativa ani sa-ti amintesti ce ti-am scris aici...
@draconessoimaru Sincer sa fiu am citit primele 2 propozitii si deja mi-a ajuns...ma plictiseste sa citesc atata filozofie + am o viata si prietena: nu de mult sa descoperit un barlog cu scriere in "rovas iras"(scrierea traditionala maghiara) scrierea in sine avand 300 de mii de ani...ce zici? E dupa saritura calusarilor sau inainte? Mai crezi in Anonymus si cai cu carnea sub sa?
@draconessoimaru Nu m-ai dezamagit deloc...daca au existat asta e, sa fie sanatosi..Voi ati construit blocuri si ati adus mizerie ca prin sud mureati de foame, iar cand numai puteati mai dadeati o tarcoala prin Ardeal sa mai furati si jefuiti! Discutand cu un mocan de al vostru prin munti felicita pe o cunostiinta ca si-a ales sotie maghiara, citez: nu erau ungurii nu era nimic de tara asta - iarasi din gura voastra ...Tokes divorteaza? Wow ce subiect incitant :P...probabil au motivele lor..:)
@draconessoimaru De iobagi maghiari nu am auzit si nu cred ca au existat. Voi ati fost adusi doar sa pastoriti oitele si impinsi de la sapte de austrieci sa va rascoliti (nu degeaba va indoiti cum bate vantul si interesele). Legat de Tokes voi l-ati facut cavaler de onoare,deci il sustineti ... no further comment (apropo, vezi ca e preot, deci ai grija cum vorbesti despre el, pt. ca vine nenea D-zeu si te bate la funduleti daca nu faci 66 de cruci cand il vezi si vorbesti despre el)
@themagnussons - Try to write and speak our langage also because the huangarian is international ! You find it evry where and all of the world ! Isten velünk ki ellenünk ! Gott mit Uns ! Dieu est avec nous ! Mert mi Isten Nepe vagyunk es mar 7000 eve probalnak bennünket eltüntetni de meg mindig itt vagyunk es leszünk mert mindenhol vagyunk ! Belölünk mindig marad annyi magyar valahol, hogy ujra egy Nemzetet tudjunk felepiteni !
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Szép kincses Kolozsvár, Mátyás büszkesége!
Nem lehet, nem, soha oláhország éke!
VESSZEN TRIANON!
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Antonescu:Wana hear joke?
Horthy:Sure
Antonescu:Transilvania
Horthy:I don’t get it
Antonescu:Exactly
He got it
@aviatiei
We came from Ural Altai & Turan with the Scythians as our forfathers.
dacia=SCYTHIA, proog the COLUMN of TRAJAN.
Herodot describes the SCYTHIANS North of the DANUBE and the Carpathian Basin that includes Transsylvania too ( you do not know probably ).
You WALLACHS, you were still in Calabria , MOUNTING SHEEPS and GOATS.
JUSTINIAN brought you over to ILLYRIA, in 530 ANNO DOMINI, South of the Balkan, thats when your history starts.
You better concentrate on your real History
They come and they left CRYING ...LONG LIVE ROMANIA,,
Short live romania
@@GG-xc4pulike you, shut up u are mad
Pozdrowienia z Polski
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The HUNGARIAN city, KOLOZSVÁR was only named 'cluj-napoca' in 1974 by hated Communist Dictator Nicolae Ceausescu! FACT.
KOLOZSVÁR WAS GIVEN TO ROMANIA IN TRIANON DIKTAT OF 1921! AND AGAIN IN 1947!
KOLOZSVÁR HAD A HUNGARIAN MAJORITY POPULATION UP UNTIL 1956!
KOLOZSVÁR WAS ALWAYS PART OF HUNGARY OR TRANSYLVANIA, NEVER 'ROMANIA', A RECENT INVENTION.
+Hungaria56 Show me a census that shows ur majority in Cluj...Ur a fcking mongolian liar...
+DACIAN77RO KOLOZSVÁR
+Hungaria56 yes..it is normal that in the big cities to have been a majority of hungarian people in that period of time...but the romanians were living at the countryside as peasants...you can look up the first census in transylvania ordered by the king of hungary..it showed 65 percent of the population to be romanian and the rest hungaryan,saxon and others...so stop spreading your false propaganda..hungaryans were a majority only in the cities but not in transylvania as a whole.
sergiu muncaci its hard for them to accept this truth after years of propaganda..They don`t realize that they are not hungarians..they are romanians,austrians,germans,sloovacks and serbian peolpe foreced to become hunGAYrian
Hungaria56 suck my cock liar..
Official censuses with information on Transylvania's population have been conducted since the 18th century. On May 1, 1784 the Emperor Joseph II called for the first official census of the Habsburg Empire, including Transylvania. The data was published in 1787, and this census showed only the overall population (1,440,986 inhabitants).[26] Fényes Elek, a 19th-century Hungarian statistician, estimated in 1842 that in the population of Transylvania for the years 1830-1840 the majority were 62.3% Romanians and 23.3% Hungarians.
In the last quarter of the 19th century, the Hungarian population of Transylvania increased from 24.9% in 1869 to 31.6%, as indicated in the 1910 Hungarian census. At the same time, the percentage of Romanian population decreased from 59.0% to 53.8% and the percentage of German population decreased from 11.9% to 10.7%, for a total population of 5,262,495. Magyarization policies greatly contributed to this shift.
Ungaria nici macar nu există
Macaristan se numeste de catre turci.
Traiasca Romania Mare!
@alex4ucj Following your Herds up the mountains of the BALKANS and later around the XII-XIII in the carpathians.
You reach as north as POLAND, SLOVAKIA and even the CAUCASIAN mountains.
There was no Dacia in Poland and Slovakia, neither in Bulgaria, Grece or Albania. You always inhabitat the Montain areas as NOMADIC MIGRATORY PEOPLE. Afirmed and Stated by Bulgarians , Greeks, Albanians, Serbians, Macedonians, not Hungarians.
@draconessoimaru But one hungarian and (maybe) a romanian will have a half hungarian-romanian kid (50-50, you dont have even 1% more to call him rather romanian). Secondly he was born in hungary, he lived in hungary, he considered himself as a hungarian (and not even a bit as anything else) and had the blood of the hungarian king. Summary: according to these lots of thing, he is hungarian. Hunyadi Mátyás: half hungarian (by only blood) father and a hungarian mother = 75 % hungarian origin :)
You Rumanians , you used the name Belgrad for Gyulafehervar, from the slavic.
Only in the XIX Century you took up the name Alba Iulia, from the latin, in the Roman Latin it was APULUM, so if you have a Daco-Roman Continuity it should've been Apulum in Rumanian.
Alba Julia was used by the Hungarians and the Roman Catholic Church
This is 2020? Kifele Erdélyből kutyák!!
figyelj,én nem ellenségesedésbol mondtam ,csak az a helyzet ,hogy van ,hogy naponta neveznek ungurnak ,és nem nagyon tetszik,én megprobálok jobb lenni ezért annyiba hagyom.Engem szidhat bárki ,de ha a hazárol esik szó nem érdekel,én a védelmébe szállok,én mindig is a magyar hont fogom szolgálni!
voi aratati cum ati fost la cluj ma?cand am fost nevoiti sa predam ardealul?
noi am fost la budapesta ma prin fortele proprii,v am zdrobit armata.
@themagnussons We from Transylvania don't want to be part from Hungary, and you can't force us either.
Little country with no history and one lake(balta) Balaton fuck off www.cunoastelumea.ro/dr-petrisor-peiu-cacealmaua-marii-civilizatii-austro-ungare-din-transilvania/?fbclid=IwAR0u1pb4k4yj0kazem3XthBMbDHR6Vjg4qkx1oHDU-tMvpdRJlGhQkRlodE
Éljen Horthy miklós
miert?
:)
Firstly, everybody dies in the end so stop wishing each other's deaths. Secondly, if you understand the language i'm writing in, you probably know we are all victims of the globalization and then you won't have these kind of nationality problems (personally, i would try fighting this bigger problem).
finally, a clever post!
maybe....but in cluj romanians always were minority until the 1960's the communist regime moved a lot of moldovans here
@alex4ucj
The VLCHS remaining in the Southern part of the Danube ( ISTRO in Thracian ), took on a lot of GREEK WORDS, not thought or discussed between Rumanian scholars.
If you remove 45 % Slavic words- influence from Rumanian and the 8-9% Hungarian words-influence in Rumanian we are left with a Calabrian Dialect.
This shows clearly your ORIGIN as PASTORES ROMANES.
From ILLYRIA you start to break up in small nomadic groups, migrating with your Herds, East and North
@Onogundur The documentation of colonization of Vlachs is exceedingly sparse for such a large populace. Of the 217 documents pertaining to Transylvania during the reign of Ladislaus IV, none of them mention any "colonization of Vlachs". Comparatively, we have documents referring to the colonization in Transylvania of the Teutonic Knights, and Saxons, and Szekelers, but noting about "Vlach migrants".
There are many documentations about Saxon, Teutonic Knight and Szekeler colonization.. sorry.
What a sad and unnecesary fight for a piece of land! No one will take a coin or a gramm of soil when his time will run out. Instead respecting and helping each other we are fighting over something that doesn't belong to us at the end.
I guess most of us call themselves christians, but when it comes to political topics all christianity is forgotten. When Jesus came as God incarneted in human form He came for all men, not only for hungarians, rumanians or whatever human race. You have to decide with your words and deeds if you want to stick on this planet for 70 - 80 years and die or if you want to inherite eternal life in Gods everlasting kingdom! The only currency that is accepted there is LOVE and true JUSTICE. Your race, fame or eartly titles have no value there! So come and join the heavently citizenship! 👋😊
Vad ca Horthy avea parte de acelasi cult al personalitatii ca si Ceausescu.
magyarorSZAR !
@huncutAttila7
We know that first around 250,000 Hungarians left Transsylvania around an after the Treaty of Trianon.
Second big wave ( 150,000 ) left Southern Transsylvania in 1940 and by 1945 they all left Northern Transsylvania for Hungary, Europe and U.S.A..
Another big wave left Transsylvania after 1989, again around 150,000-200,000.
Than on top of it it was the Rumanization Policy for 90 years, probably 1 million ( mixed marriages mostly but jobs too ).
@alex4ucj
Common man, now half of Europe was sharing with you the same language !!
You share it with the Albanians, about 10% of your language, because you coexisted with them for more than 300 years.
Remember ,when Justinian brought you over from Calabria 530 Anno Domini as Pastores Romanes, he settled you first in ILLYRIA which is just across from Calabria ( Ionic sea between ).
In Gesta Hungarorum there are the PASTORES ROMANES who retreat in the winter to the SOUTH=Balkan.
@huncutAttila7 Romanians fought for Transylvania, both diplomatic and physical. Do you think it was easy for us, 150,000 soldiers were send to labor in Siberia without any reasons, and the rest of the army had a Soviet machine gun pointing at their backs and a German machine gun pointing at their front, Romanians did their best to fight for Bessarabia and for North Transylvania territories stole by Nazis and Bolsheviks. We fought both. Transylvania decided with Romania in 1918, it's our will.
Its a nice MOVIE about Transylvania.
Are they Rumanians or Hungarians, GREETING ADMIRAL HORTHY MIKLOS de NAGYBANYA in KOLOZSVAR, 1940 ?
60 years ago it was 90 % HUNGARIAN KOLOZSVAR.
Soon it will be again.
AUTONOMY FOR THE 2 MILLION HUNGARIANS IN TRANSYLVANIA / RUMANIA.
A BETTER LIFE FOR THE HUNGARIANS, OPPRESSED, DEGRADDED, HUMILIATED, for 90 YEARS, going through ETHNIC CLEANSING, DEPORTATIONS etc.
@alex4ucj
That means that you Rumanians are related to ALBANIANS as I said it many times.
All Europeans are related to each other in a way or another.
So what you try to say is again NONSENS.
The VLACHS were influenced by the people where ever they went, in their NOMADIC life style.
The Aromanians were influenced by the GREEKS, the Macedorumanians by Bulgarians, and Rumanians were influenced by the Slavic, Hungarian and German people.
@alex4ucj As I said you came from Calabrias MOUNTAINS as Pastores Romanes brought over by Justinian in 530 Anno Domini and settled you in todays Albania ( ILLYRIA that time ).
Your Grammar changed following the Albanian grammar as posted before.
You VLACHS ( meaning SHEPHERDS ) took on the ORTHODOX GREEK FAITH, this is one influence, the Other influence is taking on about 45 % of Slavic words coexisting with the Slavizized Bulgars.
@lugano288 Read about Jireček Line. This line is important in establishing the area where the Romanian and Aromanian people were formed, it is considered that a Latin-speaking people may have formed near this area since there are Latin Vlach speakers to the north and south of it.
If Romanians would have been formed in the south of the Balkans, they would have adopted the southern dialect with Hellenic influence as Aromanians share today. But they didn't, so your theory fails big time.
@lugano288 Illyrians former people that lived in today Albania, shared according to most historical sources almost an identical language with Dacians. That's the origin of those words that we share. There is no proof about any massive Vlach migration from "Albania", you overreact with this silly theory. If we would trace our origin from that region, we would adopt the Hellenic influence, not the Latin influence as we are today, due to the Nordic region of our origin.
@alex4ucj
These are FACTS not magyar THEORIES.
JUSTINIAN brought you over from the Mountains of Calabria to ILLYRIA ( ALBANIA ) 530-535 A.D. ( Pastores Romanes )
Here in Albania, coexisting with the Albanians, changed your GRAMMAR, the article going to the end of the word from the beginning of the word, exemple : IL UOMO in Rumanian became OMU-L, just like in the Albanian language, no other European language is using it. Also your name becomes " VLACH ", from the town of VL:ACH.
@alex4ucj
Your long JOURNEY starts in 530 A.D. when Justinian brings you over from the MOUNTAINS of CALABRIA.
800 years later you appear in the Carpathian Basin coming from the Balkan.
You Rumanian you should concentrate on your real HISTORY not on a ILLUSORYCAL one.
You are the only Nation in Europe denying your own ORIGIN.
Thats why you do not have any Rumanian names neither in Transsylvania nor in REGAT or MOLDOVA.
Even your Bucuresti is of TURKISH origin " BUKRUS"
@alex4ucj
In the Latin Language the word "Clus" , does not exist.
KLUZS(J) is of Slavic origin, probably from the VII-VIII Century.
In Latin Language, closed could be CONCLUSUS or CLAUDERE / CLAUSUM ( neutral ).
the German name (C)KLAUSEN - BURG indeed is from the Latin CLAUDERE / CLAUSUM, meaning closed or inclosed fortress.
So your name again is neither of ROMAN nor DACIC origin, is of SLAVIC origin just like you used for GYULAFEHERVAR, the Slavic name BA(E)LGRAD
@lugano288 As I said bellow, historically is not possible for Cluj to have an "Avar" etymology, since the Avars disappeared 400 years ago after the city was first mentioned during medieval period. Cluj eymology comes from Clus, Castrum Clus, which means Close Fortress, even in Hungarian sounds very alike "Kolozs" (Clus) "var" (Castrum). But the first record of this city was as Clus, and the most closest version to it is the Romanian one.Why do you keep embarrassing yourself?
@alex4ucj
As I said CULUS or KOLOZS or KOLOZSVAR are of Hungarian Avar origin.
CLUJ=KLUZS (j) is of Slavic origin, creek with dam..
clus does not exist in latin or any other language.
KOLOZSVAR in Hungarian means FORTIFIED MONASTERY, either you like it or not.
In German it means Fortified or closed FORTRESS.
KLAUSEN= CLOSED and Burg is aFORTIFICATION.
So either you like it or not thats the TRUTH.
Istro is the ANTIK GREEK / Thracian name for the Danube.
@lugano288 Sorry but I explained you the etymology of "Cluj" already bellow, if you're interested you can read, if not, go ahead and crave with your fairy tales explications. There was no Cluj as a city during the period where the last Avars existed mentioned for the last time in 871 after they disappeared as an ethnicity after three generations, mixing with Slavs and other new comers. Cluj was mentioned in 1213, Avars disappeared 400 years ago. There is no "Old Hungarian" word origin neither.
@alex4ucj
The Rumanian name CLUJ is of Slavic origin, has nothing to do with the hungarian origin and nothing to do with the German origin.
KLUZS (J) is of Slavic, as i said CREEK with DAM, probably the SZAMOS river.
The word, CLUS in Latin does not exist.
CULUS or KOLOZS is Old Hungarian / Avar, meaning near the forest or KOLOZS could mean KOLOSTOR=Kolozsvar meaning FORTIFIED MONASTERY
@alex4ucj
We are talking about ARANYOS which means AURATUS, or GOLD or GOLDIS, ARIES means nothing in Rumanian or any other language.
its a close phonetic form of the HUNGARIAN ARANYOS.
It just shows that you have no continuity in Transylvania or any other area in the Carpathian basin or the Balkan.
You should rather concentrate on your real History, which starts in tyhe Mountains of Calabria in 530 ANNO DOMINNI.
@lugano288 "So how come you do not call the DANUBE RIVER, ISTRO=Danube in Thracian and OLD GREEK"
That's a lie Thracians didn't used that name. Ernst Gamillschag (1887 - 1971, specialist in Romance studies) has attested that the Romanians have preserved the Thracian word for the Danube, Donaris/Donare which means "The big river". The name Donaris was borrowed by the Romans who mixed with the Dacians, and this word has been well preserved.
@alex4ucj
One more thing.
The Dacian Settlement was DIEMA not Turda.
So Torda has nothing to do neither with Potaissa nor Diema.
You always use in Rumanian the Hungarian names either the Phonetic form or Direct Translation
By the way ARANYOS is Dacian too, you know the river crossing the town, TORDA, it means GOLD, GOLDISH, what does it mean in Rumanian ARIES, you know what ??, nothing, just a PHONETIC FORM from the Hungarian, ARANYOS.
@alex4ucj Here we go again.
For you everything is Dacian.
Just leave it Hungarian, thats the Real name, not Dacian, its a very popular Hungarian name on top of it.
Torda, Tordai, Torday, Thorday, etc.
How are you comming up with all these NONSENSES, when Dacian its not written and its not used for 1800 years.
Even in Rumanian "0" words are of Dacian origin.
Culus=Kolozs is an old AVAR name, not Roman.
in Roman CONCLUSUS=CLOSED
CULUS=KOLOZS means in old Hungarian, near the FOREST.
@alex4ucj
In 1556 and 1568 there was no Turda that time, it was TORDA and THORENBURG.
What a coincidence again, TORDA and Turda, you are using again the Hungarian form for Turda.
If you are of Roman or Dacian origin you shoud have used POTAISSA, not Turda, but its not late you can add Potaissa just like you did with napoca.
Half of the Rumanians today they believe that Napoca is in a continuous use since the Roman times.
They do not know that Ceusescus Cluj-Napoca is only from 1972.
@alex4ucj
I know your Ruimanian history doesn't teach you about all these things, like Religious freedom in transylvania, Prince Janos Zsigmond, the Diet of Transsylvania, the Hungarian princes of Transsylvania from 1541-1711, when it is a Pricipality.
You are still in the DACO-Roman stage.
How many pages are in the books now about that period.
When I studied in the 1970's there were only 10 pages for a 1000 years, one page per 100 years.
ERDELY MAGYAR FOLD, AUTONOMY FOR SZEKELYORSZAG
There was no Hungarian Militia attacking Rumanians because the Hungarians had only one enemy, and that enemy was the Austrian . Rumanians attacked the Hungarian children , women and elderly under Avram Iancu because it was an easy target and he had no army to face the mighty Honveds.
He akted under the specific instructions of the Austrians, he went several times to Vienna.
He faced the Honveds only when they got the horrifying " SLAUGHTER of the HUNGARIANS ".
He should've fought the Austrians not slaughtering children, women and elderly, or for you Rumanians is O.K..
How about the Honveds ?? , if they would have slaughtered inocent rumanian children, women and elderly in the Apuseni, around 50-60,000.
Thats why the Gyulafehervar, Enyed, Tovis, Torda area became predominantly Rumanian from a predominantly Hungarian. Your Avram Iancu, he even slaughtered all the students from Enyed, from the Bethlen Gabor Collegi ( 2000 )
@KCvideos65 The other half of Moldova stolen today it is in Rep. Moldova where 70% of the people are ethnic Romanian (Moldavian), and other parts in Ukraine where they stole our Black Sea platform, Stalin killed around 500,000 Romanians there, and assimilated them all, all Romanians there speak Russian because of the Soviet influence, that's why Romania and Rep. Moldova are not united, because they have different policies than us. But maybe in future we'll be one again united, and in EU both.
@KCvideos65 France and Romania were best friends in 18-19 centuries, and even today, we are Francophone members, of course that French people don't like the gypsies, we don't like them also.
Slavic language? I read words in Romanian dated 15-19 centuries, the Romanian back then was very similar with the today Romanian which is a Latin language. Stojka is Hungarian, and ethnic Roma, there are a lot of gypsies in Hungary, you should recognize this problem, rather than avoid it. Just as we do.
@KCvideos65 Sorry but this territory never belonged to Hungary, Transylvania always shared different and autonomous status during the last 500 years, if you would read some history you know that. And it is part of Romania because Transylvanians declared their will to unite with Kingdom of Romania in 1 December 1918.
As for calling me "Romani" it is the meaning "man, husband", with the plural roma in Gypsy language no connection with the word "Romanian".Those are two different ethnic groups.
@Onogundur Ioannes Kinnamos.
The Byzantine writer Joannes Kinnamos writes of the Vlachs North of the Danube in 1167, saying:
"Leon, also known as Vatatzes, brought many soldiers from other areas, even a large number of Vlachs, about whom it is said that they are the descendants of colonists from Italy."
Nice try, punk. Even Kinnamos attested our presence north of Danube and our part of Roman descend.
@SiegfriedTarnovo The Descriptio Europæ Orientalis, which was written by a French monk in 1308, discovered in the Paris Library, mention ten Vlach kings that were defeated by the Hungarians of Arpad.
As I've said, most of the recorded historical evidence regarding this region talks about Romanians. Can you show any recorded evidence about any sorts of "Romanian migration"? You only make assumptions and speculations, mostly stories and insults, same things you say about Slovaks also.
@SiegfriedTarnovo We have another document in 1224 Andrew II of Hungary (1205-1235) granted special liberties to the Saxons who had settled in southern Transylvania. They were also granted the right to use "the forest of the Romanians and the Pechenegs". Meaning that Romanians were already there, before Saxons were colonized in their "forests" regions in 1224. Meaning that Vlachs are more older than 12-13 centuries in Transylvania.. See? How easy is to prove your lies and infantile hatred.
@SiegfriedTarnovo For instance The Knights Hospitallers who are settled in Oltenia in 1247. In their document of settlement they are told to not accept any settlers from Transylvania and to return them to the estates of their lords.
I don't even need to talk about the Turda degree from 13 century, when Romanians were practically brutalized (both in rights and literally speaking) by the middle ages Hungarians. So what makes you think that Vlachs wanted to come into your land, that's stupid.
@SiegfriedTarnovo "After the 12th century, the Pope asks to hungarian king to settle you in Erdely."
Haha.. this theory is quite stupid, you don't even understand the situation from 11-13 centuries in Transylvania, Vlachs who would searched "a better place" in a Catholic religion it's like today Christians would search a "better place"in Saudi Arabia. In fact there are many recorded evidence that Vlachs flew out from Transylvania to escape the Magyar persecution and confiscation of properties.
@SiegfriedTarnovo During the Middle Ages, the word Olah was used both when referring to Romanians as well as Italians, which shows that the Romanians were very similar to Italians in terms of language, and that the Magyar tribes had encountered both ethnic groups at roughly the same time, in the late 9th and early 10th century, when the Magyars raided Northern Italy. There is no document to attest such large migration, no logistic, no recorded evidence, it's clear that your arguments are invalid
@Onogundur Sorry but Nestor was referring to Romanians, on the east side of Hungarians, east meaning the region of Transylvania
"Coming from the east, they /the Magyars/ marched in haste over the high mountains, and began to fight against the Volochi (Волох) and the Slavs who inhabited these countries. Later, however, the Magyars drove out the Volochi, and settled in their country"
The more excuses you invent, the more pathetic you look.
@themagnussons "illegaly tried to rip out a part of an independent, souveraigne state by organizing some kind of a vote on separation"
Is that the words that we should call the Szekelers autonomist also?
Catalonia is a majority Catalan region with their own language, they gladly deserve a sort of self emancipation, than same for the Albanians from Kosovo, United States helped them.
Who are the terrorists? Wasn't the minority Hungarians who subjugated Romanians, Slovaks, Serbs for centuries?
@themagnussons I'm sorry if I believe 1,000 old chronicles about our origin starting with Kekaumenos Byzantine chronicle and other chronicles date centuries ago, rather than a new invented Hungarian propaganda in the late 19 century that we are "migrants", after you've realized that territories will be lost you started to invent stories about Slovaks and Romanians, same story, same pattern, "shepherd, migrants". There's no evidence regarding a historical record of any sort of "migrations".
@themagnussons "Your lands", did you peed on them to take make it yours?
Romanians always lived here, long time before you,
Don't worry about Mattias Corvinus statue, we Romanians restored it this year and made it beautiful.
We don' want to be part of Hungary, we've always lived here for centuries even with autonomous status within Habsburg and Austro-H empires,so get over it. Transylvania never belonged and it won't ever belong to you, I live right in the heart of it, I can assure you.
@themagnussons Why do you insult so much? I've just said the truth, truth hurts? Yes he will be forever a Hungarian King, but it's origins shall remain Romanian-Hungarian from Transylvania because this is the truth, even he spoke our language, even his own writer Antonio Bonfini from it's court attested that he traces his origin from Romanians also, and Mattias Corvinus agreed with those writings, he never rejected Antonio Bonfini's writings. I'm Romanian, I don't have gypsy roots.
@themagnussons If you think that "Germans flourished under your rule" how come Austria has a GDP per capital twice than yours, after you left Austrian-Hungary, Hungary alone was in large decay, with peasant mentality, with large idiotic left wing and right wing ideologies, without Austria today you are no longer a power, you are more poorer, Austria made you great and notice in history, alone you're nothing.
GDP per capita Austria $39,400
GDP per capita Hungary $18,800
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@themagnussons "Betrayed" them? Most of the Germans who really liked it here stayed, nobody was forced to leave.. they wanted to leave by their own will. For instance the major of Sibiu Klaus Johannis, is German, elected by Romanians, he never leaved. he was near to become the Prime-Minister of Romania, and he still have chances for the future to this position
"The Saxons flurished under Hungarian rule"
It's quite the opposite, Hungarians flourished under Austrian-German rule.
@themagnussons We have nothing to do with Romans and Dacians.. than why do we share a Latin language, the same like Italians, French, Spanish etc. Most of our words are by latin origin. Than why do we share folk traditions that even the Dacians had? Our only connections with Albanians was that Illyrians (Albanian's forefathers) shared the same ethnicity as Dacians (our forefathers). Nobody stole Transylvania, in 1918, 65% of the Transylvanians decided in favor of it's union with Romania.
@themagnussons And you were not the "hosts". You were the "guests" on this ancient land.
Read about the The Transylvanian Memorandum that was a petition sent in 1892 by the leaders of the Romanians of Transylvania to the Austro-Hungarian Emperor-King Franz Joseph, asking for equal ethnic rights with the Hungarians, and demanding an end to persecutions and Magyarization attempts. The authors were tried for "homeland betrayal" in Cluj during May 1894, being sentenced to long prison terms.
@themagnussons" As for the rights of the wallachians ("romanians") in Transylvania under Hungarian rule or the rights of other ethnic minorities such as Germans, they were equal to the hungarian host's rights!"
Spear me with your lies, Transylvanian Romanians faced constant persecution and discrimination, they numbered 3 million and only 40,000 of them had the right to vote, while out of 1,3 million Hungarians 700,000 had the right to vote.
"equal to the hungarian host's rights"
Sure....
and Hitler and Stalin were the same, criminals of war, you can't say that it's a shame for us that we were in war against Stalin and then against Hitler, we were in war just to get back some teritories stolen from us by Hungarians and Russians, it's more important to get back your national teritories then a stupid pact or respect for an ally, Romanian never had allys, the only ally of Romania is the Black Sea and maybe Serbia
hungarians and russians were always in the eyes of romanians enemies,so we don't care if we betrayed you, or you think"we stab you in the back",we simple just DON'T CARE we just wanted peace and all of our teritories reunificate with Romania (even whole Transylvania) because we had Romanian majority there in the Trianon year in Transylvania were 55% Romanians and only 33% Hungarians (search wikipedia or other history books)
@alex4ucj
Thats the only reason ( nomadic life style ) that you have no original Rumanian names, not even in MOLDOVA or HAVASELVE ( VLACHIA).
And you always inhabitat the Mountains.
Why don't you have Rumanian names from the MIDDLE AGES in Transylvania ??, you don't even use Roman / Latin or Dacian names, what you are useing are, Slavic, Hungarian or German origin.
@alex4ucj
As soon you open your mouth, each word or phrase is a LIE, a FAKE STATEMENT, a SHRUD SNEAKY approach to the TRUTH.
When I said that Torda is Hubgarian name , you said its from the dacian TURDAVA, this name doesn't even exist or ever existed, the Dacian name was DIEMA, nothing with Torda or Turdava.
uraeaus, yes you did that, but the territories weren't Hungarina majority and it's not fare for the other majority people to be oppressed and force in your language just because you desire so, majority always rule, this is the basic rule of democracy, something that in Middle Ages we didn't know about it
@alex4ucj
One is AURATUS and another thing is ARIES, nothing in common, not even PHONETICALY.
ARIES is the phonetic form of ARANYOS, very close phoneticaly, the only difference is that in HUNGARIAN has a meaning "GOLD, GOLDISH", ARIES has "0" mening in Rumanian.
@themagnussons: you could get a bit more information before talking. If you want a sample of how the Hungarians kept Transylvania for 1000 years, just look up "Once upon a time in Transylvania" here on youtube - it's spoken in Romanian, but has English subtitles.
@huncutAttila7
My family was EYEWITNESS to the ATROCITIES commited by the Rumanian Goverment..
They are gone , all of them, even my parents.
Like I said, I never met my grandmother, she died in the CAMP in 1958, I was a toddler, she was only 63 years old
this is not a circus, you cant thinnk abour that, you are not hungarian and neither in the situation that your country was torn apart. anyway Erdély had been hungarian before 1000 A.D. if you dont know the real facts dont write false sentences thanks
The russian were signed peace after comunist
revolution in 1917....
No one teach you about French Military Mission who prepaid romanian army in the winter of 1917 and the big victories at Oituz,
Marasesti ,Marasti!Normal....
our ancestors were the ones that built sarmisegetuza!!!I don't think that nomads had built cities or fortresses?!?!and we aren't a nation of pastors as you think!!!oh..I forgot!!!Try reading your own Gesta Hunganorum!!!
@alex4ucj
So than you Rumanians, why do you hate so much ADMIRAL HORTHY MIKLOS de Nagybanya ??
That means he was only a PUPET playing the games for the Rumanians.
YOU are Fakeing now Hungarys history too, not only yours
@themagnussons
Hungarian oláh Romanian
Czech Vlach Italian
Polish Włoch Italian
Polish Wołoch Romanian/Vlach
Croatian (western dialects) Vlah Italian
Slovene Lah Italian
Clear resemble, Olah it's almost the same as Olasz.
@themagnussons "how the first "wallachains" entered Transylvania in the 12th. century from the south"
That's pure fiction and lies, how can you sustain such stories without having some decent real proofs?
@themagnussons Yes communism reign was terrible, many suffered even including Romanians. Hope the Transylvanian Germans will return to reclaim their rights and properties, as long as they want to stay here.
Actually? When? Withtogether Mackensen's army, sure. But as I know, You were in alliance with them many times. Against the Turkish (ottomans) and Tatars. And of cours at the beginning of the first war.
@alex4ucj
In the winter the PASTORES ROMANES retrieve to the South in the Balkans and reappear in the Spring with the HERDS in Pannonia and the mountains of Transsylvania.
Anonymous, in Gesta Hungarorum
Ce frumos defila armata maghiară fără să tragă un singur glonț ptr. asta. Eroi, ce mai:))
@SiegfriedTarnovo "Your land" meaning that it belonged to the KOH. But it wasn't really your land, we were already here and we eat shit because we didn't wanted to leave our birthplace.
@Onogundur Transylvanians are not defined by religion criteria, but by ethnicity regional criteria
Romanians, Hungarians, Germans, others who lived in Transylvania = Transylvanians
I am glad that a you are a hungarian to whom romanians could talk without swearing...but romanians are descedents from the ancient dacians.and there is proof to show it!!
@SiegfriedTarnovo Genetic testing on Romanian HLA groups have confirmed a distinct genetic affinity of the Romanians to Italians, indicating Roman ancestry.
@SiegfriedTarnovo "Turda decree only talks about the thiefs"
Sure it does!!. "Wallachians:they are neither called nor born for liberty."
@alex4ucj And who were this 'pagans'? Were huns, gepids, avars, bulgarians etc. believing christians? We knows that the church of Demsus was builded in the 13th century in the age of the Romanian incoming. There isn't any sign of a pagan temple, this is only a postulate. Nationalism needs symbols - in Hungary or in the whole world too.
peeeeace guys :D srsly, whats the point of fucking around here, when you could just simply not care?
Romulus and Remus were nursed by a mother wolf, while the Romanians were suckled by the father wolf.
@Uraeaus GOOGLE "IP", "SARMAS" "TRAZNEA" "MOISEI" AND SEE THE HUNGARIAN CRIMES
Felhangzott a szó zeng az induló
Győztesek megint régi zászlaink
Nézd a gúny határt, széttiporva már
Várnak újra mind ősi bérceink
Bérces Erdély itt vagyunk
Érted élünk és halunk
Győz a szittya förgeteg
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Bérces Erdély itt vagyunk
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Lépteink nyomán, fenn a Hargitán
völgyeinkben lenn tornyok hangja zeng
Már semerre sincs átkozott bilincs
énekeljetek, völgyek és hegyek
Bérces Erdély itt vagyunk
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Bérces Erdély itt vagyunk
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Győz a szittya förgeteg
a rohanó sereg
SI DACA SUNTETI ASA DE TARI..-----SPUNETI-MI------DE CE NU AVETI AMINTIRI????-----DE CE NU AVETI CEVA..-CARE SA VA DOVEDEASCA CA SUNTETI...MOSI STRAMOSI PE PAMANTUL ARDELENESC????...CA NOI AVEM..-:)-SI SUNTEM RECUNOSCUTI DE LUMEA INTERNATIONALA...-DAR...-VOI????-------ASA CA,MAI INVATATI PUTIN ISTORIE..-NU-CEEA CE VA INVATAT CEAUSESCU...-ETC...------INVATATI PUTIN ISTORIE ADEVARATA....
@draconessoimaru Eu de mult nu... (stiai ca Japonia are un institut axat numai pe istoria maghiara si imparatul in persoana a trimis o scrisoare deschisa Academiei din Pesta sa schimbe istoria mincinoasa de cai si 892 pt. ca nu isi are locul). Stiai ca incasii foloseau aceiasi limba ca noi, doar ca desteptii din Pesta nu recunosc nimic, pt. ca le fac pe plac altor cercuri? Anyway, nu ma crede..iti doresc doar sa traiesti inca cativa ani sa-ti amintesti ce ti-am scris aici...
@draconessoimaru Sincer sa fiu am citit primele 2 propozitii si deja mi-a ajuns...ma plictiseste sa citesc atata filozofie + am o viata si prietena: nu de mult sa descoperit un barlog cu scriere in "rovas iras"(scrierea traditionala maghiara) scrierea in sine avand 300 de mii de ani...ce zici? E dupa saritura calusarilor sau inainte? Mai crezi in Anonymus si cai cu carnea sub sa?
@draconessoimaru Nu m-ai dezamagit deloc...daca au existat asta e, sa fie sanatosi..Voi ati construit blocuri si ati adus mizerie ca prin sud mureati de foame, iar cand numai puteati mai dadeati o tarcoala prin Ardeal sa mai furati si jefuiti! Discutand cu un mocan de al vostru prin munti felicita pe o cunostiinta ca si-a ales sotie maghiara, citez: nu erau ungurii nu era nimic de tara asta - iarasi din gura voastra ...Tokes divorteaza? Wow ce subiect incitant :P...probabil au motivele lor..:)
@draconessoimaru De iobagi maghiari nu am auzit si nu cred ca au existat. Voi ati fost adusi doar sa pastoriti oitele si impinsi de la sapte de austrieci sa va rascoliti (nu degeaba va indoiti cum bate vantul si interesele). Legat de Tokes voi l-ati facut cavaler de onoare,deci il sustineti ... no further comment (apropo, vezi ca e preot, deci ai grija cum vorbesti despre el, pt. ca vine nenea D-zeu si te bate la funduleti daca nu faci 66 de cruci cand il vezi si vorbesti despre el)
@themagnussons - Try to write and speak our langage also because the huangarian is international ! You find it evry where and all of the world !
Isten velünk ki ellenünk ! Gott mit Uns ! Dieu est avec nous ! Mert mi Isten Nepe vagyunk es mar 7000 eve probalnak bennünket eltüntetni de meg mindig itt vagyunk es leszünk mert mindenhol vagyunk ! Belölünk mindig marad annyi magyar valahol, hogy ujra egy Nemzetet tudjunk felepiteni !
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