I agree with your concerns about the AI & experimental features (users should have a setting to enable or disable each one), and I also agree with your concerns about data privacy. I want my notes only on my devices - not GoodNotes servers. Cross device sync at least in the Apple ecosystem can be done via icloud. At the same time I don’t understand all the consternation about the $9.99/yr subscription price. This essentially represents $0.83 per month per user for support and any new features that are delivered. Honestly that price just for support seems very reasonable, to ensure the app works on new releases of iOS and bugs are fixed. Personally while I have upgraded to GN6 via the OTP option to support the developers, I am currently also exploring a migration to Agenda. The link to calendar and tasks has a lot of advantages for me. And I really like their subscription model, where their Premium Subscription (annual) enables new features as they are released, and as long as I pay for the Premium Subscription I get all the new features. When I stop paying for the Premium Subscription, I get to keep all the new features I have up to that point with no additional charge. There is also another option for a one time payment to enable Lifetime unlock of new Features. And their Subscription option offer two levels - one for iOS+iPadOS and another for iOs+IPadOS+MacOS.
Agenda has a brilliant setup. While $9.99/month is not much, it is when we have a team of five that work together to bring you these reviews. $9.99 by 5 = $49.95, plus the Notability subscriptions. Soon, we won't be able to keep up with these subscriptions, especially considering the developers of the apps we review for free don't even support us. The bills are piling up on the team, which is not sustainable if we have to subscribe to every app that we need to review. That is why we feel the pain of subscriptions (it might not apply to everyone though, and we get that).
Absolutely spot on. As you rightly say - I'm looking for one time buy only! Thank you. Pls keep up the good work. - a long term subscriber here. @@PaperlessX
Not only did Good Notes stab their most loyal customers in the back, but they are ripping them off for a garbage product that is still in Beta as well. Absolutely criminal.
None of what you said is even remotely close to being true. Goodnotes 6 is more of an enhancement of Goodnotes 5 than anything else. Everything that worked under Goodnotes 5 still works just as well with Goodnotes 6.
Yes and yes. Little respect, to say the least. I'd love to be a fly on the wall observing all those meetings and discussions about new ways to attract customers and please the existing ones even more. Ironically, things seem to be going the other way. When will they understand that less can be so much more? Or that they could simply keep two or three versions separate from one another and let the customers decide what they want to do?
I was so happy when I saw the title “good notes 6” .. can’t believe this what we’ve all been waiting for ! What a disappointment… and the price is legendary …. And I was thinking notability ppl are greedy ! This is a next level
I bought GN 5 less than a month before the update, So I got GN 6 free for a year but I still keep using GN 5 for most of the time I just wanted to try GN 6, it's the worst the AI features doesn't work at all and are useless, there are some bugs as well specially in the audio recording feature, sometimes I try to play recording but it doesn't work and recording in GN 6 heats my iPad which doesn't used to happen in GN 5. I just love the scribble to erase and circle to lasso features and also more template customisation option including colour coding folders but anything else is just useless for me in GN 6. THIS IS A SMALL REVIEW FROM MY SIDE.... Hope this helps someone who is thinking to upgrade, which is not a good idea ....
Even, though I purchased GN5 a month ago, but asked Apple to refund same time When they launched GN6 with a subscription-based model they refunded me within a day and then I switched to Noteful which is half the price and better. It's a better alternative to GN as it doesn't hog battery.
@@TANUSHKUMAR You can try it too Apple may refund your purchase. Media and purchases> purchase history> goodnotes> report problem then it will pop up refund page.
GREAT VIDEO!! I ABSOLUTELY agree 100%, with ALL YOU said!! Just a quick AI related thing: - If I TURN OFF the grammar check when writing and the AUTO-correction also, WILL IT STILL COLLECT my DATA? TO TEACH THEIR AI algorithm-thing? That would really be a BUMMER! ( Imagine having your planner with private info/ passwords on GOODNOTES server and they let their AI swim through it..??!?!) Gosh! If I may, I will post this video link on their Twitter page in the comment section, as a link-> it's THAT GOOD and accurate ?! I hope that is FINE with you?!
By all means, share with them. Turning off the grammar check only turns off one AI feature. There is no way to turn off the word complete feature. So, their AI will still swim through your notes to try and ‘help’ you complete your words, lol 😂
How’s our notes stored on their server ? Are they encrypted ? What’s the level of encryption, can their employees look at them ? Are they searchable ? Does those ai train on them ? If so , then how come they’re encrypted !.. I think I’m opting out to alternatives , this used to be my #1 app , now I’ll just keep v5 and migrate to notability
These companies that opt for the subscription model hopefully face downfall due to their excessive greed. Personally, I don't have an issue with that outcome.
Well I'm not even able to use any of these AI features because the app does not support my language. So for me and probably for everyone, excluding the 6 or so lucky nations whose languages are supported, the update says PAY US MORE FOR NOTHING THAT YOU CAN USE. That's kind of how it looks for me. And it's good to know that new AI features feed on users (who were not clearly informed about that). Edit: (I've edited typos and inconsistencies in my comment. Also, thanks for a ❤️)
I think the Ai features are really gimmick features that no one ever asked for. They don't help users but slow them down, like we can delete and complete our own words in a few seconds, then why would we ever want AI to do it for us that is not even correct all of the time? For me these features are useless and don't serve any purpose, and the app is not worth 30$ with these kind of features.
Love your reviews. Can you please review Goodnotes 6 vs Noteshelf 3. Ive always used Goodnotes but think Noteshelf 3 has won my ❤. Would love to hear your thoughts
Perfect review. I hope they watch it. I was tempted to update mine Good notes, for some of these features. But the AI thing was a big NO for me. I don't worry about privacy or anything, I just don't want to babysit an annoying pointless feature.
lowering the costs re AI for some uses who don't want it is a null point. Goodnotes still bare the cost of developing these tools regardless how many want it so they need to charge at a level to remain viable and keep investing in R&D. It's like saying you should have an option to only pay for one one headlight on a car because it's all you need to see down the road. Everything costs money to develop and maintain. It's not like they're 'exploiting' people with 'fat wallets'. It is a handful of dollars for something you can use over and over. $30 is not a lot of money, you need to keep perspective. If you don't want to pay it, that's your call and more power to you, no need to project onto people who do 🙂 ...that said though, I love your channel and appreciate your style and the way to explain things so well. Just ease up on the vitriol when a company tries to make money from a product you have a choice about 🙂
You can reach out to the developers for assistance. We only review the apps, so we can only suggest things from a user's perspective. Rebooting your iPad can help
This sucks so bad. I'm going back to school and was a notability user before. But now both notability and good notes have gone so downhill. I was never a fan of goodnotes especially due to the clunky organization, and they've just made everything else worse. So disappointing.
Hello, I have purchased the program for one year. If I download it, it will have other improvements from things. Do I subscribe and if I subscribe again?
Goodnotes is probably expecting there to be a lot of noise and then we forget and move on and just pay them. They have another thing coming. EVERY video I see mentioning them the comments are FULL of complaints, but also that those people have moved to something different.
I understand that development needs a continuous revenue stream. I’m not opposed to paying for new features and absolutely love the route Agenda has taken. On top of that I am not happy with how they are asking for a premium fee without a premium update.
They will keep charging more for one time purchase. It will probably cost over $100 for the app in several years. It seems that "one time purchase" means a life time of 5 years with upgrades. Then no more upgrades unless you are willing to pay more.
waste of money …… should have added -layer/levels for stickers note when you write on them -optimize the index feature with sub labels -being able to open a new note without going to home page (an add tab button) -more free models if i pay 30 dollars
Thanks for your take on this upgrade. I agree with you. I did ger the subscription but i am going to downgrade back to GN5. I am really interested in a video explaining a workflow for exporting from GN to Noteful. I have hundreds to do. Is there anything I can do to ease them into Noteful since there is no search on handwriting there? I plan to contact Noteful and beg them to avoid AI.
If you export your notes from GoodNotes to Noteful, there is a chance the handwriting will remain searchable. But we have only ever tried that with Notability, but we'll work on a workflow video to find the best solution.
Noted apps come with a lifecycle. I‘ve been taking digital handwritten notes since the iPad 2 with a clunky wacom stylus. I switched from the first app I don’t even remember to UPAD, then to GoodNotes and eventually to Notability. Now, however, I feel like it’s time to switch again soon. There are new, cheaper competitors and the Apple built-in Apps Notes and Freeform are increasingly becoming an interesting option.
Apple Notes is getting better and better. I still think it works best as a daily scratch pad rather than a full featured note app but that’s pretty important.
@@tommyboyindy1157 same here. Typing things up and having some general notes are fabulous, but the fact that its customization is very limited makes it an unsatisfactory option. Let's keep our fingers crossed that someone from Apple listens and delivers.
@@Azoox : I think I like it better a a small, fast quick note app. Use it to take down addresses, dates, phone numbers, lists, etc. on the fly. Use Noteability when I want a full featured app.
I found where to revert to GN5 so I did. The remaining problem is that the about screen says I have version 6 which I don't. The only response from the developers thus far has been to ask if my question was answered. Well, no, no it wasn't.
Noteshelf 3 sold me please do a review it’s a combination or goodnotes, noteful and notability just what I was looking for it’s still a work in progress tho but I can deal with it
Have been thinking when will you release a video on GN 6, because your reviews are honest and tells both the whats right and wrong unlike other youtubers who show unnecessary excitement and don't tells whats wrong in the app
Also, why skip user feedback for requested features? Also, if I want Goodnotes 6 on my Mac, I also have to pay for a new Mac. Def not upgrading. Thank you for your vid, super helpful.
Thank you for this. I have been a loyal GN user and I was going to upgrade tonight but I have decided not to. I hope that the developers at GN tank on this one.
Thanks for showing the table of requested features with the amounts of votes on them. It shows the massive misalignment of the company and how they jumped on completely the wrong bandwagon. They’re gonna struggle a lot now paying the AI bills with the few remaining customers. Plus, to get old customers back there’s gonna have to be a massive apology and a completely reworked reasonable offer (like 10$ lifetime + 5$ yearly optional for experimental features). But they’re probably already in debt.
hahahaha paying for folder colors. the AI and everything else is disappointing but predictable, but the colors and icons on folders being a new paid upgrade made me laugh.
I appreciate your video. I’ve been trying to decide whether to upgrade and didn’t even think of the AI model accessing my personal information. Not gonna happen! Thanks again!
Is there a way to update at the last version of GN5? I didn't update for a couple of months and now I don't want the GN6 update. If I reset my iPad can I still download GN5?
Seeing as most note-taking apps are used by students, who are paying astronomical amounts of money for their education and very stressed out already, it’s depressing to me how not only are they not listening to what their users want to make their experience more enjoyable, they’re taking advantage of them with needing to pay for shit updates. If I was still in school right now, I cannot tell you how stressed it would make me to have notability and good notes do this and how much time I would waste frantically try to find another app. Students are already poor and stressed they can’t fork over excessive time or money. 🙄
Hello PaperlessX, please do help, I have upgraded to goodnotes 6 today , i purchased from the marketplace a maths notes, Unfortunately all the page notes are in chinese ☹. How can i change the entire document all pages to english ? , Is there any AI option to convert the entire document to english , rather than individual text converstion ? Please do help me 🙏
New iPad user here. For a more organized experience and note taking for meetings, business, personal purposes, and creative writing - do you recommend the Notability or the GN6?
I also opted not to upgrade to Goodnotes 6. And listening to the reasons you presented here, felt the same way as well. Just now worth the heafty upgrade at all.
I have always preferred to pay full price once for a good app than recurring costs. However it isn't a sustainable business for small companies in the long run. Since I worked in software development it is easier for me to understand it from the business standpoint. One time purchases do not give you a sustainable business model. They could try to do what some other softwares do and offer paid upgrades which would mean the choice is on the customer to update but at least in iOS you need to close bugs and keep compatibility with older iOS versions so it's likely the companies have to still support older versions of their app which makes the whole business model moot. It's important to think of the other side and the choices they have to make as well. My new position is to support with my wallet the apps I'd like to keep supporting and need but be wise with it. Sometimes toggling a subscription on and off is not a bad idea as well. Turn it on when you need to use it and off when you don't.
First of all, YES IT IS sustainable for a one time purchase. Otherwise they would have never offered it. Secondly, to SELL IT AS A ONE TIME PURCHASE and then find excuses how to charge those same people AGAIN is CRIMINAL. I'm like all the other people mentioning that it's no longer about upgrading or not, it's about LEAVING GOODNOTES ALL TOGETHER.
@@devg3 yea on Goodnotes charging it's legacy users 100% agree that's not good. On the fact of saying one time purchase software is sustainable it may depends but I have yet to see this work for many companies. Using the reason "they (Goodnotes and others) have offered this pricing model so we know it works" is not a good reason because companies want to grow and costs always go up and employees salaries need to go up etc so it is not a sustainable model forever unless you are ok staying where you are at. Some companies do keep their pricing to one time purchases but usually they are solo indie devs that don't often do this as a full time gig. Just depends. Again I'm speaking more holistically.
@@starshipduck One time charge is 100% sustainable. I won't do a whole explanation here but it is (it's my full time job, I deal with this every day.) It's just that they learn what they might get away with, and nobody can resist trying.
@@Sloyfa interesting! I wonder in what circumstances it works and those it doesn't since obviously it can't be a pricing model that works for any software company. We obviously don't see the inner workings of Goodnotes and the others so we have to speculate.
We are compiling some research on that, most developers argue that it is sustainable. Besides, GoodNotes is not charging us for the app but to fund their AI goals.
You can get all the options when you just circle with your pen tool. Once you’ve activated the lasso, lift the pen and it give you all the normal options to choose.
I agree with your concerns about the AI & experimental features (users should have a setting to enable or disable each one), and I also agree with your concerns about data privacy. I want my notes only on my devices - not GoodNotes servers. Cross device sync at least in the Apple ecosystem can be done via icloud. At the same time I don’t understand all the consternation about the $9.99/yr subscription price. This essentially represents $0.83 per month per user for support and any new features that are delivered. Honestly that price just for support seems very reasonable, to ensure the app works on new releases of iOS and bugs are fixed. Personally while I have upgraded to GN6 via the OTP option to support the developers, I am currently also exploring a migration to Agenda. The link to calendar and tasks has a lot of advantages for me. And I really like their subscription model, where their Premium Subscription (annual) enables new features as they are released, and as long as I pay for the Premium Subscription I get all the new features. When I stop paying for the Premium Subscription, I get to keep all the new features I have up to that point with no additional charge. There is also another option for a one time payment to enable Lifetime unlock of new Features. And their Subscription option offer two levels - one for iOS+iPadOS and another for iOs+IPadOS+MacOS.
Agenda has a brilliant setup. While $9.99/month is not much, it is when we have a team of five that work together to bring you these reviews. $9.99 by 5 = $49.95, plus the Notability subscriptions. Soon, we won't be able to keep up with these subscriptions, especially considering the developers of the apps we review for free don't even support us. The bills are piling up on the team, which is not sustainable if we have to subscribe to every app that we need to review. That is why we feel the pain of subscriptions (it might not apply to everyone though, and we get that).
Absolutely spot on. As you rightly say - I'm looking for one time buy only!
Thank you. Pls keep up the good work.
- a long term subscriber here. @@PaperlessX
Not only did Good Notes stab their most loyal customers in the back, but they are ripping them off for a garbage product that is still in Beta as well. Absolutely criminal.
this is a kickstarter with a big F-U attached, completely detached leadership high on the fumes of their farts
None of what you said is even remotely close to being true.
Goodnotes 6 is more of an enhancement of Goodnotes 5 than anything else. Everything that worked under Goodnotes 5 still works just as well with Goodnotes 6.
Yes and yes. Little respect, to say the least. I'd love to be a fly on the wall observing all those meetings and discussions about new ways to attract customers and please the existing ones even more. Ironically, things seem to be going the other way. When will they understand that less can be so much more? Or that they could simply keep two or three versions separate from one another and let the customers decide what they want to do?
Different versions are really an excellent idea
I would have forgiven a data breach of my personal information faster than this intentional dishonesty by the company.
*I have even stopped depending on Good Notes 5, I hate this company so much for this move. Somali Pirates would be embarrassed at the greed.*
I was so happy when I saw the title “good notes 6” .. can’t believe this what we’ve all been waiting for ! What a disappointment… and the price is legendary …. And I was thinking notability ppl are greedy ! This is a next level
Notability really looks reasonable after this
I bought GN 5 less than a month before the update, So I got GN 6 free for a year but I still keep using GN 5 for most of the time I just wanted to try GN 6, it's the worst the AI features doesn't work at all and are useless, there are some bugs as well specially in the audio recording feature, sometimes I try to play recording but it doesn't work and recording in GN 6 heats my iPad which doesn't used to happen in GN 5. I just love the scribble to erase and circle to lasso features and also more template customisation option including colour coding folders but anything else is just useless for me in GN 6.
THIS IS A SMALL REVIEW FROM MY SIDE....
Hope this helps someone who is thinking to upgrade, which is not a good idea ....
Even, though I purchased GN5 a month ago, but asked Apple to refund same time When they launched GN6 with a subscription-based model they refunded me within a day and then I switched to Noteful which is half the price and better. It's a better alternative to GN as it doesn't hog battery.
@@Nothing-di4yo good for you bro I wasn't aware about the refund option 😕
@@TANUSHKUMAR You can try it too Apple may refund your purchase. Media and purchases> purchase history> goodnotes> report problem then it will pop up refund page.
@@Nothing-di4yo ok will try
GREAT VIDEO!! I ABSOLUTELY agree 100%, with ALL YOU said!!
Just a quick AI related thing:
- If I TURN OFF the grammar check when writing and the AUTO-correction also, WILL IT STILL COLLECT my DATA? TO TEACH THEIR AI algorithm-thing?
That would really be a BUMMER!
( Imagine having your planner with private info/ passwords on GOODNOTES server and they let their AI swim through it..??!?!)
Gosh! If I may, I will post this video link on their Twitter page in the comment section, as a link-> it's THAT GOOD and accurate ?! I hope that is FINE with you?!
By all means, share with them. Turning off the grammar check only turns off one AI feature. There is no way to turn off the word complete feature. So, their AI will still swim through your notes to try and ‘help’ you complete your words, lol 😂
How’s our notes stored on their server ? Are they encrypted ? What’s the level of encryption, can their employees look at them ? Are they searchable ? Does those ai train on them ? If so , then how come they’re encrypted !.. I think I’m opting out to alternatives , this used to be my #1 app , now I’ll just keep v5 and migrate to notability
Notability is getting shittier with their lack of sense of UI
We really need answers to those questions! Otherwise, it’s probably safe to assume the worst. Better safe than sorry
These companies that opt for the subscription model hopefully face downfall due to their excessive greed. Personally, I don't have an issue with that outcome.
Well
I'm not even able to use any of these AI features because the app does not support my language. So for me and probably for everyone, excluding the 6 or so lucky nations whose languages are supported, the update says PAY US MORE FOR NOTHING THAT YOU CAN USE.
That's kind of how it looks for me. And it's good to know that new AI features feed on users (who were not clearly informed about that).
Edit: (I've edited typos and inconsistencies in my comment. Also, thanks for a ❤️)
29.99 USD for beta software? No thank you. 👎🏻
well said. 👍
RIGHT!?
I think the Ai features are really gimmick features that no one ever asked for. They don't help users but slow them down, like we can delete and complete our own words in a few seconds, then why would we ever want AI to do it for us that is not even correct all of the time? For me these features are useless and don't serve any purpose, and the app is not worth 30$ with these kind of features.
Thank you very much for still keeping such a profound overview of these apps. Please keep it up.
Please talk about elements note i want to see your review on that app too.
I love that app as well
We’ll add it to our to-do list 😃
Love your reviews. Can you please review Goodnotes 6 vs Noteshelf 3. Ive always used Goodnotes but think Noteshelf 3 has won my ❤. Would love to hear your thoughts
Working on a Noteshelf 3 review. It’s coming soon 😃
Perfect review. I hope they watch it. I was tempted to update mine Good notes, for some of these features. But the AI thing was a big NO for me. I don't worry about privacy or anything, I just don't want to babysit an annoying pointless feature.
The price of GoodNotes 6 is high I have moved to Noteshelf 3 which seems better for budget
i might actually consider noteshelf 3. i hope they make review about it next
I’m moving to this as well and I love it
lowering the costs re AI for some uses who don't want it is a null point. Goodnotes still bare the cost of developing these tools regardless how many want it so they need to charge at a level to remain viable and keep investing in R&D. It's like saying you should have an option to only pay for one one headlight on a car because it's all you need to see down the road. Everything costs money to develop and maintain. It's not like they're 'exploiting' people with 'fat wallets'. It is a handful of dollars for something you can use over and over. $30 is not a lot of money, you need to keep perspective. If you don't want to pay it, that's your call and more power to you, no need to project onto people who do 🙂
...that said though, I love your channel and appreciate your style and the way to explain things so well. Just ease up on the vitriol when a company tries to make money from a product you have a choice about 🙂
wonderful review thanks
Yessss so glad you did this
😃
Queen, are u currently residing in Malaysia!?
Currently, I am not but some of our team members are there.
Can you make a video about Noteshelf 3?
Working on that, it's on our to-do list.
Also another video about Element Note would be great! It’s a new app that looks promising with a lot of potential.
@@PaperlessX Thank you!
Fantastic review ❤, love and subscribe to the questions you‘ve put to the developers!
😃 sadly, they have ignored us 🤣
Generative AI is a working progress!
Oh i meant to ask about the "inbox" looking icons on your documents. Is that a cover page? I love it.
Aaah, those a flashcards or study sets as they call them now.
I will be sticking with GoodNotes 5 until I see real enhancements.
Petition them to redirect their development. I’ll sign.
Right? Our attempt to change Notion has succeed though, so we kind of demotivated: shorturl.at/uHPQV
Don’t like the subscription model so I don’t use. It may cost less but I still like Notability despite some of the updates etc.
You definitely won’t need 2 subscription apps if you only ever use one. Makes sense
My goodnote 6 almost stopped at 1:10 and stuck after successfully log in apple id. Then i can't do anything. Hellp me pls
You can reach out to the developers for assistance. We only review the apps, so we can only suggest things from a user's perspective. Rebooting your iPad can help
Nebo is great 🎉
Which app do you suggest in this situation?
Noteful, Noteshelf, ZoomNotes, Nebo.
@@PaperlessX thanks! are the written in your preference order?
this sh*t is still without dashed/dotted lines. incredible..
this, and 2x audio playback speed is all I needed. Incredibly easy to implement.
This sucks so bad. I'm going back to school and was a notability user before. But now both notability and good notes have gone so downhill. I was never a fan of goodnotes especially due to the clunky organization, and they've just made everything else worse. So disappointing.
3:1 Mnm
Hello, I have purchased the program for one year. If I download it, it will have other improvements from things. Do I subscribe and if I subscribe again?
Sorry, care to elaborate? Or contact us on social media
Goodnotes is probably expecting there to be a lot of noise and then we forget and move on and just pay them. They have another thing coming. EVERY video I see mentioning them the comments are FULL of complaints, but also that those people have moved to something different.
Useless GN 6
The only trusted review that i was waiting for, you speak for us.. Thanks
😃😃😃😃😃
I understand that development needs a continuous revenue stream. I’m not opposed to paying for new features and absolutely love the route Agenda has taken. On top of that I am not happy with how they are asking for a premium fee without a premium update.
They will keep charging more for one time purchase. It will probably cost over $100 for the app in several years. It seems that "one time purchase" means a life time of 5 years with upgrades. Then no more upgrades unless you are willing to pay more.
Agenda’s approach is excellent!
I love your comment “if you find you’re typing a lot of body text in Goodnotes, you’re probably using the wrong app.😂😂😂😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I use the same GoodNotes5 and not upgrading.
These new features are not big important for me. I am happy with the Goodnotes5.
Great review of an app that is getting worse and worse... What a pity! Thanks!
I have dropped GN and am moving over to Noteful and Zoomnotes
😍😍🥰🥰😆 thanks for this one you didn’t disappoint
I’ve played with it and unless you use a lot of math I see no real reason to upgrade.
waste of money ……
should have added
-layer/levels for stickers note when you write on them
-optimize the index feature with sub labels
-being able to open a new note without going to home page (an add tab button)
-more free models if i pay 30 dollars
i was eagerly waiting for this video, thanks.
Anytime!
Thanks for your take on this upgrade. I agree with you. I did ger the subscription but i am going to downgrade back to GN5. I am really interested in a video explaining a workflow for exporting from GN to Noteful. I have hundreds to do. Is there anything I can do to ease them into Noteful since there is no search on handwriting there? I plan to contact Noteful and beg them to avoid AI.
If you export your notes from GoodNotes to Noteful, there is a chance the handwriting will remain searchable. But we have only ever tried that with Notability, but we'll work on a workflow video to find the best solution.
Great review as always, very thorough and complete!
Noted apps come with a lifecycle. I‘ve been taking digital handwritten notes since the iPad 2 with a clunky wacom stylus. I switched from the first app I don’t even remember to UPAD, then to GoodNotes and eventually to Notability. Now, however, I feel like it’s time to switch again soon. There are new, cheaper competitors and the Apple built-in Apps Notes and Freeform are increasingly becoming an interesting option.
Apple Notes is getting better and better. I still think it works best as a daily scratch pad rather than a full featured note app but that’s pretty important.
@@tommyboyindy1157 same here. Typing things up and having some general notes are fabulous, but the fact that its customization is very limited makes it an unsatisfactory option. Let's keep our fingers crossed that someone from Apple listens and delivers.
@@tommyboyindy1157 Agree. Apple notes is great for making to-do lists on iPhone.
@@Azoox : I think I like it better a a small, fast quick note app. Use it to take down addresses, dates, phone numbers, lists, etc. on the fly. Use Noteability when I want a full featured app.
Yeah, that fast quick app is always handy to have
I found where to revert to GN5 so I did. The remaining problem is that the about screen says I have version 6 which I don't. The only response from the developers thus far has been to ask if my question was answered. Well, no, no it wasn't.
We would ask but they’ve probably blacklisted
Noteshelf 3 sold me please do a review it’s a combination or goodnotes, noteful and notability just what I was looking for it’s still a work in progress tho but I can deal with it
Have been thinking when will you release a video on GN 6, because your reviews are honest and tells both the whats right and wrong unlike other youtubers who show unnecessary excitement and don't tells whats wrong in the app
We try our best to be objective with our reviews as we believe it helps both the users and developers.
The GoodNotes account help devs deactivate family sharing, which the old app had. Not upgrading since the Pay once forever was a lie.
No pencil tool?
Also, why skip user feedback for requested features? Also, if I want Goodnotes 6 on my Mac, I also have to pay for a new Mac. Def not upgrading. Thank you for your vid, super helpful.
Should be called bad noted 6
Thank you for this. I have been a loyal GN user and I was going to upgrade tonight but I have decided not to. I hope that the developers at GN tank on this one.
Thanks for showing the table of requested features with the amounts of votes on them. It shows the massive misalignment of the company and how they jumped on completely the wrong bandwagon. They’re gonna struggle a lot now paying the AI bills with the few remaining customers. Plus, to get old customers back there’s gonna have to be a massive apology and a completely reworked reasonable offer (like 10$ lifetime + 5$ yearly optional for experimental features). But they’re probably already in debt.
Funny how I was studying Oligopoly the other day
Great review as always. Please make the review for Noteshelf 3 soon!
hahahaha paying for folder colors. the AI and everything else is disappointing but predictable, but the colors and icons on folders being a new paid upgrade made me laugh.
Nice
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I appreciate your video. I’ve been trying to decide whether to upgrade and didn’t even think of the AI model accessing my personal information. Not gonna happen! Thanks again!
Anytime! 😃
Is there a way to update at the last version of GN5? I didn't update for a couple of months and now I don't want the GN6 update.
If I reset my iPad can I still download GN5?
You can still download GN5 from your previous purchases. The app should appear there
@@PaperlessX Thanks :)
Thanks for this video. I had not considered the issue of AI... it's possible to install the version 5.?
They have the option to do so in the app
I was wondering - what is your favorite note taking app right now for the iPad with the Apple Pencil?
It is Noteful. It has been since we stopped using Notability.
Seeing as most note-taking apps are used by students, who are paying astronomical amounts of money for their education and very stressed out already, it’s depressing to me how not only are they not listening to what their users want to make their experience more enjoyable, they’re taking advantage of them with needing to pay for shit updates. If I was still in school right now, I cannot tell you how stressed it would make me to have notability and good notes do this and how much time I would waste frantically try to find another app. Students are already poor and stressed they can’t fork over excessive time or money. 🙄
Hello PaperlessX, please do help, I have upgraded to goodnotes 6 today , i purchased from the marketplace a maths notes, Unfortunately all the page notes are in chinese ☹.
How can i change the entire document all pages to english ? , Is there any AI option to convert the entire document to english , rather than individual text converstion ?
Please do help me 🙏
GoodNotes does not have a universal translation feature that we are aware of. Sorry
@@PaperlessX Thank you for helping me out as always 🙏
New iPad user here. For a more organized experience and note taking for meetings, business, personal purposes, and creative writing - do you recommend the Notability or the GN6?
Depends on your preferences. Both apps work great, but the nitty-gritty details of how the apps do things really depends on your preferred workflow
I agree..seems like Goodnotes and Notability have a “peeing contest” going..not trying to be crude but you know what I mean…
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 they do, lol!
Agreed❤
Have you seen or used Kilonotes yet? It looks promising.
It’s on our to-do list. We’ll cover it soon!
I am able to access the popup menu by holding the circle lasso for a bit
It seems we have a bug on our hands. We still can't access it
RED FLAG! GoodNotes!
I also opted not to upgrade to Goodnotes 6. And listening to the reasons you presented here, felt the same way as well. Just now worth the heafty upgrade at all.
Can we still buy GN5 for the first time if we never did before ?
What is the best alternative to it ? (one time purchase)
No, you can't. The best app is definitely Noteful, which only costs 5€ (one time payment)
I wanna know as well, do you know the answer now?
@@mtarilita2532 unfortunately not yet
You can’t buy GN5 anymore… best alternatives are Noteful, Noteshelf 3 or ZoomNotes. Any of those three will do the job.
I have always preferred to pay full price once for a good app than recurring costs.
However it isn't a sustainable business for small companies in the long run. Since I worked in software development it is easier for me to understand it from the business standpoint. One time purchases do not give you a sustainable business model.
They could try to do what some other softwares do and offer paid upgrades which would mean the choice is on the customer to update but at least in iOS you need to close bugs and keep compatibility with older iOS versions so it's likely the companies have to still support older versions of their app which makes the whole business model moot.
It's important to think of the other side and the choices they have to make as well. My new position is to support with my wallet the apps I'd like to keep supporting and need but be wise with it. Sometimes toggling a subscription on and off is not a bad idea as well. Turn it on when you need to use it and off when you don't.
First of all, YES IT IS sustainable for a one time purchase. Otherwise they would have never offered it. Secondly, to SELL IT AS A ONE TIME PURCHASE and then find excuses how to charge those same people AGAIN is CRIMINAL. I'm like all the other people mentioning that it's no longer about upgrading or not, it's about LEAVING GOODNOTES ALL TOGETHER.
@@devg3 yea on Goodnotes charging it's legacy users 100% agree that's not good. On the fact of saying one time purchase software is sustainable it may depends but I have yet to see this work for many companies. Using the reason "they (Goodnotes and others) have offered this pricing model so we know it works" is not a good reason because companies want to grow and costs always go up and employees salaries need to go up etc so it is not a sustainable model forever unless you are ok staying where you are at.
Some companies do keep their pricing to one time purchases but usually they are solo indie devs that don't often do this as a full time gig. Just depends. Again I'm speaking more holistically.
@@starshipduck One time charge is 100% sustainable. I won't do a whole explanation here but it is (it's my full time job, I deal with this every day.) It's just that they learn what they might get away with, and nobody can resist trying.
@@Sloyfa interesting! I wonder in what circumstances it works and those it doesn't since obviously it can't be a pricing model that works for any software company. We obviously don't see the inner workings of Goodnotes and the others so we have to speculate.
We are compiling some research on that, most developers argue that it is sustainable. Besides, GoodNotes is not charging us for the app but to fund their AI goals.
You can get all the options when you just circle with your pen tool. Once you’ve activated the lasso, lift the pen and it give you all the normal options to choose.
Thanks for the tip! 😃
Thank you very much for this.