Just want to mention that with the advent of 5.1 Nanite foliage, LOD's are largely irrelevant for performance improvement. But the rest of this episode is still relevant post 5.1.
Definitely still viable for those of us working on VR where nanite and lumen are not extremely reliable or just not even supported on the forward renderer :).
Also worth mentioning that there are still issues with Nanite foliage in 5.1 that are not resolved yet... 1. wind will act extremely strange and has to be set to very low levels in order to not look truly ridiculous in some cases. 2. you are unable in some cases to select individual foliage to adjust rotation and transform through the foliage mode .. what happens is selecting an individual foliage through foliage mode 'select' results in some other piece of foliage half way across your level being high-lighted/selected/transformed. These issues can be confirmed by using the "r.Nanite 0" command line to turn off all nanite and doing your foliage select and edits then "r.Nanite 1" to re-enable nanite. ... this also instantly fixes the very strange wind effects that occur if nanite is enabled on foliage and your wind isn't set to very very low settings. I still use nanite with foliage despite these issues though. Its not really that bad to turn wind way down, it still looks the same as normal wind settings once its reduced.
i figured out you can set the cull distance and angle in the foliage mode in the left down corner. so u can select the foliage and for all selectet you can change the culldistance in that corner and see the realtime change. so you dont have to go in every foliage and set the cull distance.
Even with nanite foliage, virtual shadows can cause serious loss of performance especially in a forested/large environments. So it's better to use LOD system whenever possible and using nanite foliage only on the hero assets that are always close to camera.
about the blurry foliage with wind - I found they should be set to [Mobility > Movable] in painting setting, and that did the trick for me :) also about the FPS - I set LODs in foliage Mesh to Max 8 and Applied change to generate automatic LODs and that significantly boosted my FPS :)
It worked out great! There are several adjustments. First, you forgot to say about the important setting of LODs. This is the shadow casting setting for each LOD value. You can turn off shadow casting for distant LODs. Second, you didn't say anything about LOD Groups. Depending on the selected group, automatic LODs are calculated differently. But, the best recommendation would be, manual setting for LOD distances.
Dune Games pointed out something important- make sure at the 3:50 mark you don't remove the extra content. Keep it around because we paint with it at the 6:00 mark.
If you're looking for a way to quickly change the Screen Size setting for multiple billboard material, consider this, you can change the setting for one material manually then right click that material in the content drawer and navigate to the Level of Detail menu and select Copy LOD. Then just select all the other material and paste those LOD settings in the same way you copied them using the paste option.
Hey, recently started working with Unreal Engine. I must say, this has helped me a LOT. For me, performance is everything. So i rather focus first on performance rather then later..so BIG THANK YOU. Sub for sure!
For the tedious 'Cull Distance' part, being able to open the content door over the asset details helped a lot. I was able to open up a folder of foliage, copy the minimum, then ctrl+space the door -> ctrl+V the value, double the click next one, and just quickly go down the line and then do it again for the max.
Apparently there's a far better way... at least consider it for any tedious tasks. You can select a bunch of assets -> right click -> asset actions -> bulk edit via property matrix. This will let us change a setting across all the selected items at once.
@@paulshelkov7956 To add to that - clicking the main palette folder and applying a filter for static mesh foliage will give you all the items that you want to update in one folder view for the bulk edit
I am excited! A quick recap, last year I got through this video and due to poor FPS I went no further. I came back this year once I upgraded my graphic card and this time my FPS is just under 90 FPS at the completion of this video, much better than the 30 to 40 FPS I was getting about 8 to 9 months ago when I took a break from this project. I am excited to press forward to the next stage of this project. Lesson 11 here I come! 🤗
Good episode, but I was confused at the beginning. At 3:50 you have us remove all the foliage you seemingly ask us at 6:00 to select and use. Which is it, remove them or not? Perhaps add a note to the video to ignore the remove at that point?
ahh I definitely messed that up- appreciate it. If I add a note to the video I have to re-upload. What I'll do is a pin a comment to the top of the comments for the video- hopefully folks see it. I appreciate you calling it out!
Nah I had LOTS of fun. It's fun learning and solving problems. This was great. Been having trouble with adding trees to the scene and it's lagging. There are so many settings all around so this really pointed at many different possible areas to play around with.
I’m not sure if you might have the answer but is there a way to get the foliage to go towards my character or connect to them? Kind of a strange but I am trying to get some bushes to stick to my character as I walk by.
@@NumenBrothers But the cheapest MEthod i currently work on is to spawn GPU Ribbon Particle in NIagara and if needed a static Mash particle. I currently try to figure that out for an Hair creater, becouse the Groom Performance and toi import it sucks. I have perfect fps with 250.000 hairs with 4 links , (just have a GTX 1080) but i hadn´t test more. As i created a GBuffer i was rendering close every pixel as a Particle and still no problam. Something like this are examples for G Buffer ua-cam.com/video/-WVkrF3C79o/v-deo.html
@@NumenBrothers glad you found what you're looking for, may I ask what that brotherhood is. I've been looking for a "brotherhood" too but everywhere I look is mostly people demanding help or just wanting answers and there's no sense of actual community or brotherhood
Here's my story. ua-cam.com/video/Z9xPTCjt8vw/v-deo.html Happy to talk if you would like to reach out via email (can be found on my main channel page).
@@Jewfro1138 in short, instead of starting from a common set of interests (game development) and then attempting to bond over an idea/values, I started with a common set of values, and then proceeding to the interest. Not all of us are gentiles, by the way! 😅
So....I've been fighting with Unreal 5.3.2 and down to 5.1. When I try to move assets within the project or via windows explorer my materials, meshes and textures need reapplied and then they crash. If I download from the Quixel Bridge and in the default folders I'm fine. I've also had multiple crashes with collisions on the rocks. Right now I'm using 5.2.1 with direct x11 even though I have a very high machine (4090 ti, etc). One hint to turn the Foliage to Nanite is to download them in highest quality then before you close the folder, highlight the static meshes and right click. You will then be able to switch them all in one shot to Nanite. @NumenBrothers this is a great series and while I've done C++/Blueprints in UE 4, these landscape and foliage tutorials are great for a non-artist developer like myself. Also, can you put a non-expiring link to your discord in your youtube about/help. I found one reference, but the link was expired. Thanks for all your work on this!
I literally just open up new Level in 5.1 and my FPS is drifting in the 30's from the start, no foliage or anything hahah ,,,, HOW DO YOU GET 60 FPS??? Love you work bro!!
You are the EXPERT ! To increase the size of some assets ist a good idea (for better FPS) but it's not realistic, not natural. So this trick cannot work for me.
Even after following all your tweaks, I see my foliage flickering a lot (at relatively short distances). Maybe it is switching the billboard and I'm underestimating how soon it does that, but looks like the whole asset is shifting it's position noticeably. If it's the billboard, yeah in most cases that 2D image just won't be lined up with its 3D orientation. I'm about to update to 5.1 so I wonder if that LOD change will change anything.
i always get issue with the foliage texture. when i export it from quixel bridge, the texture not automatically compiled into material sphere so i have to create the new material sphere but the result is not so good. the leaf not so realistic. do you have any refference how to do the leaf material node in ue?
Hey Roy, if you like, you could join our Discord on Fridays, 6-7pm EST, and there's a little brain trust we have where we can help troubleshoot issues. Typically these sorts of things are best figured out if you can show it in real time. The link to the Discord, if you would like to join: discord.gg/U8pCkkUmSN
More and more interesting and useful tutorials, bravo! Unfortunately for me since Episode 9, my FPS has dropped to 15. Downloading several resources in Nanite (which are in 8K) took up quite a bit of my space. And they slowed me down. So I am performing the same things in 2K (Medium). In addition, Foliage also weighs and not a little. 😭😭😭😭
Those are decent specs- shouldn't drop your FPS that much. Maybe down to 40-50, perhaps even 30, but not 15. It could be the sheer size of your level, if it's a lot larger than mine. Make sure you have the 'Nanite' checkbox checked for all foliage assets. @@Axel0689
@@Axel0689 Can you try turning on detailed stats like this tutorial? And check to see what 'bar' (what color) is the highest bar, taking up the most system resources. Is it the yellow for GPU? red for CPU? etc. ua-cam.com/video/nQdsY2a-Fn8/v-deo.html
Just want to mention that with the advent of 5.1 Nanite foliage, LOD's are largely irrelevant for performance improvement. But the rest of this episode is still relevant post 5.1.
Definitely still viable for those of us working on VR where nanite and lumen are not extremely reliable or just not even supported on the forward renderer :).
Also worth mentioning that there are still issues with Nanite foliage in 5.1 that are not resolved yet...
1. wind will act extremely strange and has to be set to very low levels in order to not look truly ridiculous in some cases.
2. you are unable in some cases to select individual foliage to adjust rotation and transform through the foliage mode .. what happens is selecting an individual foliage through foliage mode 'select' results in some other piece of foliage half way across your level being high-lighted/selected/transformed.
These issues can be confirmed by using the "r.Nanite 0" command line to turn off all nanite and doing your foliage select and edits then "r.Nanite 1" to re-enable nanite.
... this also instantly fixes the very strange wind effects that occur if nanite is enabled on foliage and your wind isn't set to very very low settings.
I still use nanite with foliage despite these issues though. Its not really that bad to turn wind way down, it still looks the same as normal wind settings once its reduced.
You can still use billboard screen size setting right?
For the Areca Palms wind:
Wind Intensity: 0.031
Wind Height: 5.62
Wind speed: 0.31
That'll give you nice breeze look on them :)
i figured out you can set the cull distance and angle in the foliage mode in the left down corner. so u can select the foliage and for all selectet you can change the culldistance in that corner and see the realtime change. so you dont have to go in every foliage and set the cull distance.
Even with nanite foliage, virtual shadows can cause serious loss of performance especially in a forested/large environments. So it's better to use LOD system whenever possible and using nanite foliage only on the hero assets that are always close to camera.
about the blurry foliage with wind - I found they should be set to [Mobility > Movable] in painting setting, and that did the trick for me :)
also about the FPS - I set LODs in foliage Mesh to Max 8 and Applied change to generate automatic LODs and that significantly boosted my FPS :)
Oh man, awesome trick! I had no idea about that. Looks much better for my trees. Much appreciated!
I never even had that from the start. New version?
It worked out great!
There are several adjustments.
First, you forgot to say about the important setting of LODs. This is the shadow casting setting for each LOD value.
You can turn off shadow casting for distant LODs.
Second, you didn't say anything about LOD Groups. Depending on the selected group, automatic LODs are calculated differently.
But, the best recommendation would be, manual setting for LOD distances.
Dune Games pointed out something important- make sure at the 3:50 mark you don't remove the extra content. Keep it around because we paint with it at the 6:00 mark.
If you're looking for a way to quickly change the Screen Size setting for multiple billboard material, consider this, you can change the setting for one material manually then right click that material in the content drawer and navigate to the Level of Detail menu and select Copy LOD. Then just select all the other material and paste those LOD settings in the same way you copied them using the paste option.
Hey, recently started working with Unreal Engine. I must say, this has helped me a LOT. For me, performance is everything. So i rather focus first on performance rather then later..so BIG THANK YOU. Sub for sure!
For the tedious 'Cull Distance' part, being able to open the content door over the asset details helped a lot. I was able to open up a folder of foliage, copy the minimum, then ctrl+space the door -> ctrl+V the value, double the click next one, and just quickly go down the line and then do it again for the max.
Apparently there's a far better way... at least consider it for any tedious tasks. You can select a bunch of assets -> right click -> asset actions -> bulk edit via property matrix. This will let us change a setting across all the selected items at once.
@@paulshelkov7956 To add to that - clicking the main palette folder and applying a filter for static mesh foliage will give you all the items that you want to update in one folder view for the bulk edit
this video with one by one tutorial and all the details, are awesome!!!
I am excited! A quick recap, last year I got through this video and due to poor FPS I went no further. I came back this year once I upgraded my graphic card and this time my FPS is just under 90 FPS at the completion of this video, much better than the 30 to 40 FPS I was getting about 8 to 9 months ago when I took a break from this project. I am excited to press forward to the next stage of this project. Lesson 11 here I come! 🤗
Excellent presentation, easy to understand, thank you!
Good episode, but I was confused at the beginning. At 3:50 you have us remove all the foliage you seemingly ask us at 6:00 to select and use. Which is it, remove them or not? Perhaps add a note to the video to ignore the remove at that point?
ahh I definitely messed that up- appreciate it. If I add a note to the video I have to re-upload. What I'll do is a pin a comment to the top of the comments for the video- hopefully folks see it. I appreciate you calling it out!
first rule of performance, WE DO NOT MEASURE FPS IN THE EDITOR, it is a distorted value that is not reflected in the build!
My desire to know more intensifies
Great stuff!! I love the series!!
Your words power me forward :)
Nah I had LOTS of fun. It's fun learning and solving problems. This was great. Been having trouble with adding trees to the scene and it's lagging. There are so many settings all around so this really pointed at many different possible areas to play around with.
Fantastic video. Thank you
Great video, helped me out a lot!
I’m not sure if you might have the answer but is there a way to get the foliage to go towards my character or connect to them? Kind of a strange but I am trying to get some bushes to stick to my character as I walk by.
On overlap, will need to attach actor to actor, or actor to component
Good Work 👍
Subscribed!
I am looking for this tutorial for long time ... After searching 50 video i found my problem solve
You could Improve if you use Instanced Static Mashes handle the Collision in the Material ore you handle the hole Foliage thing in Niagara.
Can you elaborate on this? Or an example you can point me toward?
@@NumenBrothers Actualy not that easy to find but it´s this PRinzip ua-cam.com/video/CqXKSyAPWZY/v-deo.html the Result is seen in 28:25
@@NumenBrothers But the cheapest MEthod i currently work on is to spawn GPU Ribbon Particle in NIagara and if needed a static Mash particle. I currently try to figure that out for an Hair creater, becouse the Groom Performance and toi import it sucks. I have perfect fps with 250.000 hairs with 4 links , (just have a GTX 1080) but i hadn´t test more. As i created a GBuffer i was rendering close every pixel as a Particle and still no problam. Something like this are examples for G Buffer ua-cam.com/video/-WVkrF3C79o/v-deo.html
Your channel name is NumenBrothers, are you twins that take it in turns recording or? Loving the series so far :)
Glad you're finding it useful! I was aiming for a creative brotherhood, but I ended up finding the brotherhood I was looking for elsewhere.
@@NumenBrothers glad you found what you're looking for, may I ask what that brotherhood is. I've been looking for a "brotherhood" too but everywhere I look is mostly people demanding help or just wanting answers and there's no sense of actual community or brotherhood
Here's my story. ua-cam.com/video/Z9xPTCjt8vw/v-deo.html Happy to talk if you would like to reach out via email (can be found on my main channel page).
@@Jewfro1138 in short, instead of starting from a common set of interests (game development) and then attempting to bond over an idea/values, I started with a common set of values, and then proceeding to the interest. Not all of us are gentiles, by the way! 😅
@@NumenBrothers Listening to it now :)
So....I've been fighting with Unreal 5.3.2 and down to 5.1. When I try to move assets within the project or via windows explorer my materials, meshes and textures need reapplied and then they crash. If I download from the Quixel Bridge and in the default folders I'm fine. I've also had multiple crashes with collisions on the rocks. Right now I'm using 5.2.1 with direct x11 even though I have a very high machine (4090 ti, etc). One hint to turn the Foliage to Nanite is to download them in highest quality then before you close the folder, highlight the static meshes and right click. You will then be able to switch them all in one shot to Nanite. @NumenBrothers this is a great series and while I've done C++/Blueprints in UE 4, these landscape and foliage tutorials are great for a non-artist developer like myself. Also, can you put a non-expiring link to your discord in your youtube about/help. I found one reference, but the link was expired. Thanks for all your work on this!
Discord was not giving rise to the 'spirit' I hoped to instill. Maybe next time. Glad I could help.
I literally just open up new Level in 5.1 and my FPS is drifting in the 30's from the start, no foliage or anything hahah ,,,, HOW DO YOU GET 60 FPS??? Love you work bro!!
3080 Ti. Luckily GPU's are getting less expensive with each passing day.
@@NumenBrothers got my eye on the RTX 4060.
You are the EXPERT ! To increase the size of some assets ist a good idea (for better FPS) but it's not realistic, not natural. So this trick cannot work for me.
thanks
you are awesome
i cant set the lod settings of foliage. i cant click on them
Even after following all your tweaks, I see my foliage flickering a lot (at relatively short distances). Maybe it is switching the billboard and I'm underestimating how soon it does that, but looks like the whole asset is shifting it's position noticeably. If it's the billboard, yeah in most cases that 2D image just won't be lined up with its 3D orientation.
I'm about to update to 5.1 so I wonder if that LOD change will change anything.
Certainly- I recommend updating to 5.1 and switching to Nanite foliage for all assets. And then the LOD's cease to be an issue.
i always get issue with the foliage texture. when i export it from quixel bridge, the texture not automatically compiled into material sphere so i have to create the new material sphere but the result is not so good. the leaf not so realistic. do you have any refference how to do the leaf material node in ue?
Hey Roy, if you like, you could join our Discord on Fridays, 6-7pm EST, and there's a little brain trust we have where we can help troubleshoot issues. Typically these sorts of things are best figured out if you can show it in real time. The link to the Discord, if you would like to join: discord.gg/U8pCkkUmSN
что за модели травы , откуда они ? скачать где-то можно ?
All of them are on Quixel Bridge. He provides a Google sheet with all of the asset IDs in the description of each video.
More and more interesting and useful tutorials, bravo! Unfortunately for me since Episode 9, my FPS has dropped to 15. Downloading several resources in Nanite (which are in 8K) took up quite a bit of my space. And they slowed me down. So I am performing the same things in 2K (Medium). In addition, Foliage also weighs and not a little. 😭😭😭😭
What are your hardware specs? CPU, RAM, GPU
@@NumenBrothers Ryzen 5 5600X, RTX 3060 12GB, Vengeance 16GB DDR4 3200Mhz RAM, 1TB SSD.
Those are decent specs- shouldn't drop your FPS that much. Maybe down to 40-50, perhaps even 30, but not 15. It could be the sheer size of your level, if it's a lot larger than mine. Make sure you have the 'Nanite' checkbox checked for all foliage assets. @@Axel0689
@@NumenBrothers If you are referring to the size of the landscape, it is the same. Because I followed it step by step the playlist so far.
@@Axel0689 Can you try turning on detailed stats like this tutorial? And check to see what 'bar' (what color) is the highest bar, taking up the most system resources. Is it the yellow for GPU? red for CPU? etc. ua-cam.com/video/nQdsY2a-Fn8/v-deo.html
Every rock i add from quixel are blur when i import them in the game
Texture streaming over budget isn't the issue? ua-cam.com/video/oGfH9BFKWEc/v-deo.html
is worth using nanite in foliage?
yes absolutely. This tutorial was made before Nanite foliage existed. But all the tips are still useful in combination with Nanite foliage.
okk thanks for answering👍
Your computer may not have emotions but it has an expensive GPU
thankfully Moore's Law is not completely dead, and thus growing less and less expensive over time
ur videos too long