I mean, if you think about it, that's also sexism. People sexualize women way more than they sexualize men, so women's looks are more sought after. It's still not a good thing, people are still being underpaid for their talents.
This is not female vs male. It's a 25 yr. old league vs a 70 yr. old league. You have to earn that growth, fanbase, popularity and pay, the WNBA wants it to be given to them. Imagine the NBA asking for the same as the MLB in 1970. That's 50 years difference of work that multiple generations of players to had to put in, to get the league to where it's at now. Who do they think they are that they don't have to pay the same dues?
@@xxslick66xx that's exactly what he said? These players in the league today in the NBA are reaping the rewards of the sacrifices of players made for the past 75 years. In the next 50 years if the product continues to improve the wnba will most definitely be one of the most popular women's sports. They probably won't be making the insane 300 million contracts but in the next 25-30 years I won't be surprised if a generational type player gets the 100+ million contracts
Of course Peter says it's due to sexism. Just the easiest, laziest reason one could possibly give while not considering the differences between the leagues at all
It's amazing how an overrated, white point guard with ZERO championships all of a sudden is making people think that WNBA players should make as much as their NBA counterparts. As far as a lot of people are concerned, Clark is making TOO much money.
funny thing is these are the same people that say athletes make too much money (compared to like teachers) but then they want women athletes paid more? They should be happy about the WNBA salaries
1. Peter, the National Team gets compensated from FIFA’s pool. The men’s game is the most popular sport in the world by far. The women’s game brings in a small fraction of their revenue. So- that’s not a good argument at all. 2. If the WNBA would pay CC 5 million dollars to match the BIG3- we all know that the other WNBA players and their union would be up-in-arms so this has nothing to do with her at all.
I actually think the fact people feel like they have to announce they’re not anti this or that and being misogynistic for have a common sense take.. shows the real issue IMO
There's no way to have an fair discussion about this, because you have too many people who are uncomfortable with the fact that they're unconsciously sexist, like Peter said. Everyone's too comfortable with the status quo, they don't want to put in the work to help women's sports.
Easy answer. No! Hard answer. No! When you have millions of fans watching and a full stadium of 50.000 every game, yes. When you have 1.000 watching and an empty stadium. No! No matter what gender.
As I see it, the problem isn’t that the average WNBA player is underpaid. Compared to your average working American, they are not. The problem is that the average NBA player is obscenely overpaid, which is that they are, compared to your average working American. Now, you have many NBA players averaging 10 points and 5 rebounds a game who are commanding $10,000,000 a year to play 15-20 minutes a game. That’s obscene, and that’s flat out wrong.
Not really if the top guys in your sport are making 40+. There's a scale. Plus some of those guys you mentioned don't have the eye popping stats but are still very valuable players.
In NYC, there are more than enough women earning large salaries to fill MSG every night to the real capacity of the arena to watch the Liberty play. There are more women in NYC compared to men to watch the WNBA on TV. There are more women to buy jerseys and other WNBA merchandise compared to men. Are you sure you want to go down the sexism path?
NBA, G League, overseas basketball, College Bball and high level high school basketball are all better products than the WNBA. How much basketball do you expect people to watch!?
The WNBA wouldn't even exist if not for the NBA subsidizing them. In almost 30 years of existence, the WNBA has not once made a profit in any season. The fact is, the economics determine that the women can't justify higher salaries. The same people complaining about the salaries not being higher probably never attended a WNBA game either. The NBA brings in about $10 billion in revenue each year. The WNBA brings in about $60 million in revenue. Enough said.
I disagree in part with Peter. Sexism has a role in it but if you have ever gone to a WNBA game, it's just not as good a product. The games aren't as exciting. I think it is getting better but when the product is just as good as the NBA the money will go up.
Do not worry about merchandise or money because Caitlin Clark is now the biggest star in the sport and makes more in nil compared to most NBA players. Women's b ball now has better storylines compared to men especially in college. the game will be fine ladies do not need the same revenue as boys.
Not even worth having this conversation. If someone is seriously asking why they don’t make as much should simply be handed a registration form for an economics class.
If a player name Ariana Judge broke into the Yankees after hitting 60 home runs in the major leagues, i would tune the fuck in every night just like i did for judge. But no, im not following some random league with random players who are playing mediocre baseball, football, hockey, basketball. i dont watch the pirates play. i want to watch the best of the best and if the best female players could compete with the best male players, id say pay them the same.
Caitlin Clark is great story and I hope her success translates to WNBA. But things have to happen organically. Lets see what happens as women's professional basketball continues to grow. The WNBA to this point has not generated enough revenue to pay higher salaries. Clark will certainly help but a lot more stars like her are needed.
The WNBA being an inferior product isn’t because of sexism. It’s because of biology. Men are more athletic and make a more entertaining product, that’s why no women ever play in the NBA because they can’t hang.
Peter, the Men's USA national soccer team isn't terrible. They missed qualifying for one world cup but for the last 25-30 years they've been competitive. You can't compare level of competition between women's soccer and men's soccer. It's not apples to apples. That being said if women's soccer is generating more revenues they need a fairer share and I belive that has been renegotiated recently.
sure as soon as their league starts bringing in the revenue the nba does. i like women's basketball but it doesn't generate the revenue the nba does to be able to pay their players like that. until they start marketing better and drawing more interest to their league of course there is going to be a large pay gap. its not because they are woman, its because their league doesn't generate the revenue and profit needed to pay their star players like nba stars.
Is it sexist that more people watch women figure skating than men's figure skating in the Olympics? NO. And its for the same reason here. more people like women's FS than men's. Peter just has to pander to someone , his day wouldn't be complete if he didnt.
Business doesn't give a damn about your feelings. If you bring in the attendance and revenue, of course you deserve to make more money. Until then, shut up Peter.
They can’t. The League is already losing $10 million a year. If the players take more revenue when there is no profit. It becomes a $50 million hole for the NBA. League will be canceled after 5 years. You can’t justify a quarter billion dollar loss without serious mental gymnastics.
@@blackeastertheguythe NBA is making money hand over fist, a compromise is out there. You’re acting like the NBA will fold if they allow a WNBA MVP to get a million dollar salary.
It’s based on revenue. Duh.. so, obviously, no. When their league generates NBA money they should get the same percentage as the men do. It really isn’t that hard people.
Equal pay for equal work. Its not equal work. They play less games, and are owned by different companies and generate less revenue, if they were owned by the same company and asked to do the same work, different story. Yes 10% is too low for the amount being made. Should be along the lines of 50%. Ok the nba subsidies it. Got it.
The NBA should raise the rim to at least 12 feet. Presently, It’s way too easy for your average NBA player to dunk the basketball at only 10 feet, and I refuse to pay money to watch a 6’8 guy dunk on a 10 foot basket. As it is, they hardly have to jump off the floor. At 12 or even 13 feet, it would be much more challenging for these guys, and dunks would be much more rare, and much more special when only a select few could still dunk at 12 or 13 feet.
People missing what Rosenberg point instantly when they hear the word sexism, women’s sports do not get the same dignity as men’s sports do and that’s a fair take. Don is also right about how it’s a very young league relative to other major sports so that should be put into context.
Hey Peter do the woman in WWE make as much as the men do? There are alot better woman wrestlers better than men but I am sure the woman don't get the money.
I think you’re implying that women players couldn’t handle balling with the guys. But know what? If you let women play in the NBA, they would adapt and eventually improve and raise their game over time to play at the same level as the men. That is my sincere belief.
@@frederickrapp5396it's not simply a matter of skill (which isn't very close anyway), it's a matter of biology. WNBA players could never compete with how physical the NBA demands its players are. G league teams would destroy WNBA teams based on physicality alone
@@frederickrapp5396 no I’m saying the opposite. Go ahead and put in a girl or 2 that can really get at it with the guys as a way, an avenue in to the idea so the public understands it. In fact, I’d legit open the tryouts in the D League as well. This isn’t the 70’s or 80s. I can totally see a select group of girls hanging with the guys. No question but that would open up a can of worms and the NBA wants no part of that BS
WNBA the League, Loses about 20 million a fucking season, how in the world IS ANY WNBA PLAYER GOING TO MAKE THE SAME AS NBA PLAYERS. It seriously is the dumbest fucking debate in the entire world. ITS PATHETIC. ITS PHYSICALLY FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE.
Peter always makes dumb comments. Sexism??? No Peter, the quality of basketball is no where near as good as the mens. Mens basketball is alot more exciting! Mens basketball is faster, more athletic and better basketball!
Peter Is right. Just because you aren't a sexist person in your actions doesn't mean you don't dismiss the WNBA bc they are women . It might not be something you have thought about, but it's def true.
We dismiss the inferior product because it’s inferior and there is a Superior one, not because they have XX chromosomes. You’re basically arguing biological reality is sexism. That’s beyond the pale.
@@zachstolpa6521 No, I didn’t chose biological reality. No one did. There’s simply a better product and people only have so much time/money for basketball. Make the WNBA equal or better in talent and athleticism and then we can talk about sexism. It’s biologically impossible but you can try. People are under no moral obligation to consume an inferior product they don’t like. It is about entertainment not equality.
The WNBA doesn't turn a profit. If anything, they should feel privileged that they are making a living off of something that doesn't make money as a whole.
WNBA SHOULD GET EQUAL PAY WHEN THEY GENERATE EQUAL RREVENUE.
No one ever complains female models make 100x more than male models.
Bottom line, if you got the goods....
I’ve never heard this argument made. Wow. Kinda an argument ender right there
I mean, if you think about it, that's also sexism. People sexualize women way more than they sexualize men, so women's looks are more sought after. It's still not a good thing, people are still being underpaid for their talents.
@@ralelunarhow are the WNBA players under paid when they don’t produce a profit? It’s impossible
female strippers make more then male strippers more demand for them
This show has covered the WNBA zero times before today. Mind you, their local WNBA team played in the finals last season.
This is not female vs male. It's a 25 yr. old league vs a 70 yr. old league. You have to earn that growth, fanbase, popularity and pay, the WNBA wants it to be given to them. Imagine the NBA asking for the same as the MLB in 1970. That's 50 years difference of work that multiple generations of players to had to put in, to get the league to where it's at now. Who do they think they are that they don't have to pay the same dues?
No, the issue is the WNBA doesn't bring in the $$$$ that the NBA does, you can not pay people with money you are not making.
@@xxslick66xx that's exactly what he said? These players in the league today in the NBA are reaping the rewards of the sacrifices of players made for the past 75 years. In the next 50 years if the product continues to improve the wnba will most definitely be one of the most popular women's sports. They probably won't be making the insane 300 million contracts but in the next 25-30 years I won't be surprised if a generational type player gets the 100+ million contracts
When the NBA was 25 years old in the 1970s, NBA players had regular jobs outside of the season, nobody cried for them. Gtfoh.
Imagine being called sexist because you dont enjoy the product of a company. This show is categorically insane.
its like if you dont want to date a trans person then you are transphobic
Of course Peter says it's due to sexism. Just the easiest, laziest reason one could possibly give while not considering the differences between the leagues at all
It's amazing how an overrated, white point guard with ZERO championships all of a sudden is making people think that WNBA players should make as much as their NBA counterparts. As far as a lot of people are concerned, Clark is making TOO much money.
Let the worst NBA team play the best WNBA team and you'll still see why they make peanuts comparatively.
Let the best high school boys team play the best WNBA team.
Paid by who exactly the money doesn't exist
funny thing is these are the same people that say athletes make too much money (compared to like teachers) but then they want women athletes paid more? They should be happy about the WNBA salaries
Don boxed peter in with the ufl argument
1. Peter, the National Team gets compensated from FIFA’s pool. The men’s game is the most popular sport in the world by far. The women’s game brings in a small fraction of their revenue. So- that’s not a good argument at all.
2. If the WNBA would pay CC 5 million dollars to match the BIG3- we all know that the other WNBA players and their union would be up-in-arms so this has nothing to do with her at all.
I actually think the fact people feel like they have to announce they’re not anti this or that and being misogynistic for have a common sense take.. shows the real issue IMO
Can these guys even name Caitlin Clark new teammates or more than 10 WNBA players in the league? Have they even watched a game?
There's no way to have an fair discussion about this, because you have too many people who are uncomfortable with the fact that they're unconsciously sexist, like Peter said. Everyone's too comfortable with the status quo, they don't want to put in the work to help women's sports.
Easy answer. No! Hard answer. No! When you have millions of fans watching and a full stadium of 50.000 every game, yes. When you have 1.000 watching and an empty stadium. No! No matter what gender.
No nba stadium holds 50k lol
@@CCubed3 It was an example for all sports. 🤦♂Buy yourself a brain.
Who do they expect to pay it? Taxes?
What stadium is holding 50k?
@@wilsonb1121 Really? Are you this lazy to read? 🤔
As I see it, the problem isn’t that the average WNBA player is underpaid. Compared to your average working American, they are not. The problem is that the average NBA player is obscenely overpaid, which is that they are, compared to your average working American. Now, you have many NBA players averaging 10 points and 5 rebounds a game who are commanding $10,000,000 a year to play 15-20 minutes a game. That’s obscene, and that’s flat out wrong.
Not really if the top guys in your sport are making 40+. There's a scale. Plus some of those guys you mentioned don't have the eye popping stats but are still very valuable players.
comparing to the average person is pretty pointless unless the average person's job also has tv contracts worth billions and sells millions of tickets
In NYC, there are more than enough women earning large salaries to fill MSG every night to the real capacity of the arena to watch the Liberty play. There are more women in NYC compared to men to watch the WNBA on TV. There are more women to buy jerseys and other WNBA merchandise compared to men. Are you sure you want to go down the sexism path?
Don’t think that a real quote regarding LIV golf lol
NBA, G League, overseas basketball, College Bball and high level high school basketball are all better products than the WNBA. How much basketball do you expect people to watch!?
The WNBA wouldn't even exist if not for the NBA subsidizing them. In almost 30 years of existence, the WNBA has not once made a profit in any season. The fact is, the economics determine that the women can't justify higher salaries. The same people complaining about the salaries not being higher probably never attended a WNBA game either. The NBA brings in about $10 billion in revenue each year. The WNBA brings in about $60 million in revenue. Enough said.
I disagree in part with Peter. Sexism has a role in it but if you have ever gone to a WNBA game, it's just not as good a product. The games aren't as exciting. I think it is getting better but when the product is just as good as the NBA the money will go up.
If it's not a good product then sexism doesn't have a role, it's just economics.
@@ForestOfSleep never said it wasn’t a good product, I said it wasn’t AS good of a product. Two things can be true
Do not worry about merchandise or money because Caitlin Clark is now the biggest star in the sport and makes more in nil compared to most NBA players. Women's b ball now has better storylines compared to men especially in college. the game will be fine ladies do not need the same revenue as boys.
Simple. If their league makes as much. Otherwise where will the money to pay them come from? Or do they expect taxes to be paying that too?
NBA operates at a loss since it's inception, why should they get 50%? It's a tax write-off for the NBA.
Not even worth having this conversation.
If someone is seriously asking why they don’t make as much should simply be handed a registration form for an economics class.
Let me think about it for a minute..................No
They don't need equal money they need a bonus of a new stove
How many fans attend a wnba game?
Nope.
When they earn the same TV ratings, sell the same amount of merchandise and sell the same amount of tickets, then they can have the same pay.
NO. the NBA revenue is 10 BILLION. the WNBA is 60 million. Peter needs a economic lesson.
Hell no! It's not even arguable
If a player name Ariana Judge broke into the Yankees after hitting 60 home runs in the major leagues, i would tune the fuck in every night just like i did for judge. But no, im not following some random league with random players who are playing mediocre baseball, football, hockey, basketball. i dont watch the pirates play. i want to watch the best of the best and if the best female players could compete with the best male players, id say pay them the same.
Michael says it's a "tip-toe" topic the compares women's basketball to tiddlywinks. Nice one, MK! You're the king of finesse.
Women's sports are boring... that includes wrestling peter
T’haaa’ts sexist! 🤦🏼♂️
Ugh shut up Peter
Bill Burr has a classic rant on the WNBA…
The answer is obviously no.
Caitlin Clark is great story and I hope her success translates to WNBA. But things have to happen organically. Lets see what happens as women's professional basketball continues to grow. The WNBA to this point has not generated enough revenue to pay higher salaries. Clark will certainly help but a lot more stars like her are needed.
Then explain Peter Why did the USFL and XFL fail ? Because of sexism?
As Peter says at 5:00, if there is sexism, it's not in the awarding of contracts. It's in the fact that most fans don't watch WNBA games.
Bad over-generalized point as usual with Peter 😂
@@BakiSmaki27 you want act like people dignify women’s sports the same as men’s get?
@@zachstolpa6521they don’t and they shouldn’t. It’s an inferior product. Not even feminists will watch and support the WNBA, that says it all.
The WNBA being an inferior product isn’t because of sexism. It’s because of biology. Men are more athletic and make a more entertaining product, that’s why no women ever play in the NBA because they can’t hang.
@@zachstolpa6521not finding the female athletes/competition as entertaining doesn’t make one sexist.
Peter, the Men's USA national soccer team isn't terrible. They missed qualifying for one world cup but for the last 25-30 years they've been competitive. You can't compare level of competition between women's soccer and men's soccer. It's not apples to apples. That being said if women's soccer is generating more revenues they need a fairer share and I belive that has been renegotiated recently.
sure as soon as their league starts bringing in the revenue the nba does. i like women's basketball but it doesn't generate the revenue the nba does to be able to pay their players like that. until they start marketing better and drawing more interest to their league of course there is going to be a large pay gap. its not because they are woman, its because their league doesn't generate the revenue and profit needed to pay their star players like nba stars.
Is it sexist that more people watch women figure skating than men's figure skating in the Olympics? NO. And its for the same reason here. more people like women's FS than men's. Peter just has to pander to someone , his day wouldn't be complete if he didnt.
Business doesn't give a damn about your feelings. If you bring in the attendance and revenue, of course you deserve to make more money.
Until then, shut up Peter.
Yeah only getting %10 of revenue in this day and age is definitely insulting, they desperately need to renegotiate the CBA.
They can’t. The League is already losing $10 million a year. If the players take more revenue when there is no profit. It becomes a $50 million hole for the NBA. League will be canceled after 5 years. You can’t justify a quarter billion dollar loss without serious mental gymnastics.
@@blackeastertheguythe NBA is making money hand over fist, a compromise is out there. You’re acting like the NBA will fold if they allow a WNBA MVP to get a million dollar salary.
Dear Rosenberg Life isn't fair
It’s based on revenue. Duh.. so, obviously, no. When their league generates NBA money they should get the same percentage as the men do. It really isn’t that hard people.
Equal pay for equal work. Its not equal work. They play less games, and are owned by different companies and generate less revenue, if they were owned by the same company and asked to do the same work, different story. Yes 10% is too low for the amount being made. Should be along the lines of 50%. Ok the nba subsidies it. Got it.
The wnba should lower the rim to 9ft. Fans like to see dunks . Layups? That might help them.
The NBA should raise the rim to at least 12 feet. Presently, It’s way too easy for your average NBA player to dunk the basketball at only 10 feet, and I refuse to pay money to watch a 6’8 guy dunk on a 10 foot basket. As it is, they hardly have to jump off the floor. At 12 or even 13 feet, it would be much more challenging for these guys, and dunks would be much more rare, and much more special when only a select few could still dunk at 12 or 13 feet.
@@frederickrapp5396next time you should preface your comment the fact that you’re a complete fool. You’ll save everyone their valuable time.
She made out with advertising deals
Yes. Cap pro athlete earnings at $500k a year. That should even it all out nicely.
Peter is so annoying LOL
It's not even a topic worthy of discussion. Once the WNBA has annual revenues of $10B, then we can discuss it.
the word should in the title should be changed with can
Clown question.
The wnba is paid for by the nba 😂
People missing what Rosenberg point instantly when they hear the word sexism, women’s sports do not get the same dignity as men’s sports do and that’s a fair take. Don is also right about how it’s a very young league relative to other major sports so that should be put into context.
If you think so, go take a basic economics class.
Hey Peter do the woman in WWE make as much as the men do? There are alot better woman wrestlers better than men but I am sure the woman don't get the money.
Start adding women players that can ball with the guys. See what happens…..
I think you’re implying that women players couldn’t handle balling with the guys. But know what? If you let women play in the NBA, they would adapt and eventually improve and raise their game over time to play at the same level as the men. That is my sincere belief.
@@frederickrapp5396it's not simply a matter of skill (which isn't very close anyway), it's a matter of biology. WNBA players could never compete with how physical the NBA demands its players are. G league teams would destroy WNBA teams based on physicality alone
@@frederickrapp5396 no I’m saying the opposite. Go ahead and put in a girl or 2 that can really get at it with the guys as a way, an avenue in to the idea so the public understands it. In fact, I’d legit open the tryouts in the D League as well. This isn’t the 70’s or 80s. I can totally see a select group of girls hanging with the guys. No question but that would open up a can of worms and the NBA wants no part of that BS
@@frederickrapp5396then you are sincerely a complete fool who failed basic biology.
Where exactly would this money come from? What a fucking stupid topic.
It should come from the people who claim that they deserve more pay.
5:24 that’s such a dumb take.
Not thinking female athletes are as entertaining is inherently sexist? Stop yourself Peter
WNBA the League, Loses about 20 million a fucking season, how in the world IS ANY WNBA PLAYER GOING TO MAKE THE SAME AS NBA PLAYERS. It seriously is the dumbest fucking debate in the entire world. ITS PATHETIC. ITS PHYSICALLY FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE.
Peter is a tool
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Peter always makes dumb comments. Sexism??? No Peter, the quality of basketball is no where near as good as the mens. Mens basketball is alot more exciting! Mens basketball is faster, more athletic and better basketball!
Don’t u know anything about economics???
Peter Is right. Just because you aren't a sexist person in your actions doesn't mean you don't dismiss the WNBA bc they are women . It might not be something you have thought about, but it's def true.
We dismiss the inferior product because it’s inferior and there is a Superior one, not because they have XX chromosomes. You’re basically arguing biological reality is sexism. That’s beyond the pale.
@@blackeastertheguyso basically you choose not to dignify them
@@zachstolpa6521 No, I didn’t chose biological reality. No one did.
There’s simply a better product and people only have so much time/money for basketball.
Make the WNBA equal or better in talent and athleticism and then we can talk about sexism. It’s biologically impossible but you can try. People are under no moral obligation to consume an inferior product they don’t like. It is about entertainment not equality.
Lots of people in these comments proving Peter right that women’s sports aren’t afforded the same dignity as men’s.
it's not as entertaining..that is not our fault. They need to be more entertaining.
The WNBA doesn't turn a profit. If anything, they should feel privileged that they are making a living off of something that doesn't make money as a whole.
Women's Tennis, Women's Golf, Women's MMA all make plenty of money. Make a good product.
Respect is earned not given. Be just as good or better than the men and we will watch.
No one cares that professional softball players don't make the same as MLB players