I'm not really into archeology, but as soon as you bring up cities buried by oceans or sand, I suddenly feel a desire to volunteer with the recovery efforts. It's so intriguing.
One of my uni professors (University of Birmingham) was one of the leading specialists in the last days of Dogger Island. He had dedicated years to it and managed to have a Time Team special filmed for it (a docu entertainment series that was a fairly big hit on UK TV). Sadly, he passed away right before it aired but at least it's a bit better known than when he started work on it :)
I recently learned about how King Richard III remains were discovered. Its a fascinating story of hard work and good fortune that resulted in the miraculous recovery of his remains. I think you'd enjoy the story and it might make a good video here on your channel Joe! :-)
7:54 Hey, I live in Pesse. It is a small, not too interesting town. But on a small square there is a small monument of this boat. The actual boat is now in the Assen Museum in The Netherlands.
@@EnciuConstantin also why so many ppl have cement benches with wood and cloth inside them and pyramid shaped crystals over little black boxes with antennae.
Anything that would compromise our long term continuity of civilisation at this point would leave humanity in the dark ages until the next ice age starts. There are too many people, and too many backups of all the information we have.
Nothing will remain of modern day windmills after thousands of years. Their longest lasting component, stainless steel, can last over 1000 but the other parts will decompose in 20-500 years. Nothing else will remain of our current day cities either except some parts of the stone buildings and graveyard stones.
And it doesn't have to be that deep under the water either, given that some of the underwater ruins that have been discovered are shallow enough to dive to.
There is something very fascinating about the fact that the top of Dogger Bank is only 13 metres below sea level, and during storms waves may still break over it in the middle of the North Sea.
13 meters below sea 🌊 level is something that should have been in the video thanks for sharing that 👍. If this was near china 🇨🇳 they turn it into an island 🏝 again and put a military base on it.
The stone pathways that fade into the ocean on many English isles are beautiful but also terrifying. Imagine having a link to a neighbouring area. And then the water just rises up and you could no longer walk there. Probably in your lifetime.
@@FeeshUnofficial I feel anxious on your behalf. This century will not be kind to your country, and the proposed project to help save the Netherlands is - and this is not an exaggeration - absolutely batshit insane. The current plan is to build dams across the North Sea from Scotland to Norway and across the English Channel from Cornwall to Brittany; turning the North Sea, English Channel and Baltic Sea into an absolutely gigantic lake.
@@jamielonsdale3018 we have been fighting the ocean since literally forever. Pliny the Elder was a Roman historian who described the tribes living in modern-day NL as "more people die in the fight against the sea than against each other"
@Joescott Hey Joe you mentioned the boat of Pesse at around 8:00 , it was found in the Netherlands near a village called Pesse, a few hundred kilometers lower then the position of Dogger Island. I'm not saying you are completely wrong, but since it is in my back yard, I wanted to mention that. And by the way, I have seen the original boat when I was a boy. At that moment it was not on display in the regional museum of Drenthe, so we where invited to follow the conservator to the museum storage to have a look. It was an amazing sight. Thanks for the great video!
He gets so much wrong. It wasn't always an island even, but he doesn't learn anything past the first response on his Google search so it's not shocking.
First time viewer, long time UA-camr here. I knew within less than a minute of seeing this video that I should subscribe ;) That means he's good. I work in film and TV--not that that means jack these days; but you can still notice quality content when you see it. Not necessarily in the production values or content, which are obviously fine, but in the delivery. Nice.
On the other side of the UK there's also the story of Cantre’r Gwaelod, a legendary flatland that was supposedly in Cardigan Bay; as well as Lyonesse, a strip of land running out as far as the isles of Scilly, which would have been a lot bigger five thousand years ago and possibly one large island.
Thank you Joe! Being from Denmark, I often heard Dogger Bank referenced during the weather forecasts on the radio, but it was just "another spot in the ocean" I knew nothing else about. You taught me something very interesting about the area of Europe I grew up in - an interesting fact about the ice age I thought I knew everything about. Thank you for doing great videos!
@@Thurgosh_OG yeh the shipping forecast: Dogger, Fisher, German Bite, Scilly Automatic, Fastnet what any of it means i just pretend its some alien broadcast
Like already said in the comments, the story about Rungholt could be covered in a follow up video. It was wiped out in the flood on January the 16th in 1362. It is estimated that 25,000 people died in that event. The flood changed the landscape of the Northern Sea dramatically. The whole coast line was different afterwards.
This is the second video I've watched on this channel and I'm thoroughly, and delightedly, HOOKED! Joe Scott is just my kind of historian: thorough, with apparent passion for his field, blended with skillful editing to smooth credible information smoothie... and his sense of humor is both well timed and relevant. SUBSCRIBED!
I live in norfolk uk and often think about doggerland when I'm at the beach looking for artifacts. My niece found a beautiful handaxe, though I've not been so lucky. I have found some mammoth teeth and imagine them wandering across this huge lost landscape. Maybe there is a big wooden henge down there somewhere 🤔
I have several large “rocks” that are actually the remains of an ancient seabed. I dug them out of the side of a hill out in west Texas. Lots of cool stuff buried in the Earth and the sea.
I'm surprised it took you this long on this one Joe! Nice vid! I live in Northern Ireland. Therefore the ancient geology, and ancient evolutionary history of these Atlantic lands - so close to me, is very interesting in localised human evolution. I mean these islanders of Doggerland may have flourished for centuries, and those who migrated when the Glaciers decided to force them so....must have passed on the tale of a golden land they fled...which turned into a marshland in the end, before being submerged.
This reminds me of the town of Rungholt on the west coast of what is today northern Germany. It was completely washed away in a single storm that took about 20,000 lives and altered the entire coastline in the 1360's. It's also often called the Atlantis of the north. I think that would make an interesting video as well.
There is also the legend of a fabulously rich port town of Vineta, supposedly located somewhere in the southwest Baltic. First mentioned by a German 11th century chronicler, Adam of Bremen, it was allegedly inhabited by Slavs, Greeks, and other peoples & was apparently one of the biggest port cities in the region, if not Europe. It is said to have either been raided, sacked & destroyed by a Viking fleet... or sunk into the sea by angry gods in punishment for its sins.
@@mariojakel5544 Haddeby is still an existing, inhabited village. But it is now located on the other bank of the river, and of course, the fortified city and harbor of the viking age are gone (a museum now), so those were sacked.
Its funny that you mentioned the Pesse Canoe, I was born within 5 miles of where it was found. Have seen it about half a dozen times throughout my life. Never really thought it was significant until you mentioned it😜
As a Dutch citizen and learned about Doggerland at elementary school even, i think it's nice seeing you cover it. Also covering the NEED project is something nice. Maybe make a video on this as well. Would be a huge project to do it and as calculated it would save a lot of damage money from climate stuff. Only issue is that the North Sea and all the other water will slowly lose their salt contents and the walls will influence the sea currents.
the other thing that would save a lot of damage money would be burning fossil corporations to the ground when they actively buy governments to prevent their profits being lost
@@Jack_Russell_Brown it would lose salt the same way the former zuiderzee lost its salt. fresh water rivers feeding it. dont forget the elbe, rijn, maas, seine, thames, schelde, and many other rivers ending here
@@hashtagrex not burning. fire only makes more pollution. contaminate the interior of their buildings with radioactive material, harmless enough to not cause damage within a day or so, but that'd do damage if the corporation buildings stay occupied. and if they find a new location to settle, rinse and repeat. obv I'm not serious(maybe 🤔), but it would still make less pollution than burning down a building while having the same effect ... also abandoned buildings taken back by nature are one of the prettiest things in the world
I could not help but think that this NEED project will cause the exacerbation of rising sea level in rest of the world especially if they choose to pump water out of the dams. So by saving millions of people in the North Atlantic from drowning, the rest of the world will suffer the consequences unless they choose to build dams for themselves. Also, the ecological wildlife in that area will definitely suffer from the lack of currents and decrease in salinity.
I live in the north east of England and after storms it's not uncommon for the Petrified Forests to be visible on the beaches (maybe they were joined to Doggerland?). It's a bit surreal the first time seeing what look like amazingly preserved tree stumps in the middle of the beach but it becomes one of those things that's just taken for granted when you live with it. Much like stone circles, castles, Roman ruins, and other stone age things when there's loads around you! Someone found an Auroch (ancient ancestor to the cow) skull a few weeks ago. Bits wash up every now and then. Auroch were thought to have become extinct around the British Isles about 4000 years ago so I wonder if they were wandering around on Doggerland before it went under water.
@@Dionysos640 One has to remember USA has only been around since 1776; so this vlogger is justified in his excitement to discover this. I’m waiting for the vlog on First Nation Americans and genocide (apparently one can’t say Native Americans, someone can correct me if they like) or how the giant species were hunted to extinction on the American continent.
It was only a matter of time before you did Dogger Bank! It is a fascinating subject, I work on an aggregate dredger that dredges really old river beds of doggerland for fine sand that then gets used to build infrastructure projects in london. Love the videos 😊
@@ecoideazventures6417 No British. Work for the big 3. Dutch mainly specialised in maintenance dredging, we do materials for the construction industry, fine sand and shingle. About 5000 ton at a time.
Thinking about the peoples who lived on Doggerland makes me think of all kinds of peoples throughout history (I highly recommend reading The Dawn of Everything: A New History of Humanity by David Graeber and David Wengrow).
I'm really liking these few videos on ancient history. I'd be enthusiastic about an ancient history series with Joe. You always deliver you dashing smart man. Keep it up 👌🏽
Porcupine Bank is an area of the Irish shelf, on the fringes of the Atlantic Ocean approximately 200 kilometres (120 mi) west of Ireland. The relatively raised area of seabed, 200 m below sea level at its highest, lies between the deep-water Porcupine Seabight and Rockall Trough. The name comes from the bank's discovery in 1862 by HMS Porcupine, a British sail and paddle-wheel ship used mainly for surveying. The northern and western slopes of the bank feature species of cold-water corals. According to Dr. Anthony Grehan of the National University of Ireland, Galway, the virtually untouched site could benefit dwindling fish stocks and possibly aid medical research. "These are by far the most pristine, thriving and hence spectacular examples of cold-water coral reefs that I’ve encountered in almost ten years of study in Irish waters. There is also evidence of recent recruitment of corals and many other reef animals in the area suggesting this area is an important source of larvae supply to other areas further along the Porcupine Bank." - Dr. Anthony Grehan, In an 1870 paper presented to the Geological Society of Ireland, Mr W Fraser suggested that these reefs mark the site of the sunken island of Hy-Brasil.
Thanks for dong a show on Doggerland. You left out my favorite story. The archeologists found a village where there is evidence that after it submerged people went out and left offerings at this former homeplace for many years.
You got close, Joe, to a much larger story than just Doggerland. Look at the paleo coastline of the British Isles coming out of the Younger Dryas, prior to the first sea level rise that left Doggerland as one (but not the only) vestige. For me, the far more interesting area is the once dry Irish Sea, English Channel and the area south of present day England and Ireland. This area was likely more temperate, and was significantly larger than the later Doggerland. Keep in mind, that Plato dated the inundation of Atlantis to thousands of years before his time. The North Sea tsunami and the eventual final rise of sea levels that took out Doggerland was thousand of years later. Plato said that Atlantis became a mud flat impassable to boats … which is what would have separated the British Isles from Europe after the earlier inundations. Let’s also not forget that anti-religious scientism pushed “gradualism” as Orthodoxy for the last 150 years as catastrophism was viewed as “religious”. That orthodoxy is breaking down rapidly as our understanding of both genetic and geologic history since the rise of anatomically modern humans in northwest Africa (?) some 300,000 years ago has improved. Btw even the USGS is throwing in the towel on no Americans until the Bering land bridge, as sites 30,000 years or older in the Americas are being recognized as well as other genetic flows into South America. Plato’s writing also include a quote from an Egyptian priest about ancient cycles of the rise and fall of civilizations due to catastrophe. The extreme catastrophists want to place a giant Atlantis out on the mid-oceanic ridge and push tortured theories to get it to disappear. The severing of Britain and Ireland from Europe behind an impassable mud flat Channel and North Sea is the sinking of Atlantis … no magic is required. You can go from these significant global sea level rise events to Fermi Solutions as while the Earth is an Eden most of the time, and on the scale of human lifetimes, not so much in terms of longer timelines. The Fermi Solutions universally are expansions upon what we see here on Earth, cycles that destroy fragility and complexity due to cosmic, geologic, biologic and anthropologic knockdowns and bottlenecks.
South Americans were in the America's weren't the oldest remains on earth of a human found in Chile, I can't remember? But the "Indians" did cross over from Asia
Plato invented Atlantis as a literary device; it is no more real than Hogwarts. Nobody had ever heard of Atlantis until Plato wrote about it. “Aristotle believed that Plato, his teacher, had invented the island to teach philosophy.”
@@Brinta3 That's a silly argument. "No one wrote about Atlantis before the first guy wrote about it." I'm sure that we found a text written earlier by some other guy you'd be telling us how Atlantis was unheard of before that other guy wrote about it, and Plato just copied it. Unfortunately for your little pet theory there is mounting evidence of not only an Atlantis like civilisation existing during and at the end of the last ice age, but there is also strong evidence for cataclysms occurring around that time big enough to wipe a major civilisation out.
The most silly counter argument against Atlantis is people expecting pretending like "advanced" means "flying saucers" when they all know full well that "advanced" 12,000 years ago meant "has figured out how villages work".
@@CristiNeagu I think Aristotle, who personally knew Plato, would have known if Plato got it from an earlier source. Aristotle was also very much acquainted with Plato’s writing style and therefore knew that it was just a made up place. But please point me to this mounting evidence you speak of. Where can I read about evidence for the existence of Atlantis?
As bad as Irish Famine was, it wasn't the worst atrocity since Doggerland sank. The British Isles were hit particularly hard by the Black Death, over 60% of the population died as a result. By contrast, 'only' 20% of Ireland died during the Famine, and a further 40% emigrated.
In case anyone else is curious about 4:48, a Heinrich event is a natural phenomenon in which large groups of icebergs break off from glaciers and traverse the North Atlantic. (from wikipedia)
Great to see a little history of Lake Agassiz. Long time viewer of your vids Joe, I grew up in Dauphin, Manitoba which is right beside Riding Mountain, which was carved by the glacier. Lots of interesting terrain back home.
North sea dam would be a seriously impressive and useful thing .. but it would also be the most obvious and vulnerable target for every crank and extremist able to put together a few tons of explosives.
I live on the edge of Doggerland and have found a lot of small stone and bone tools spanning a period of 4000 years when Doggerland was still completely dry 😁
euhm ik heb op het strand een hele hoop haaien tanden gevonden, zelfs een paar grote tanden en volledige zwarte haaien tanden. Die grotere tanden zouden van de megalodon moeten zijn ( dat beest is uitgestorven 16 miljoen jaar geleden???) en een fossiele tand kleur na 1 miljoen jaar pas zwart of mss zelfs nog later. Wat doet dat bij ons aan de kust? Het zeetje komt pas kijken :).
@@gerriehensen7475 In die tijd bestond Nederland nog niet en ging de zee tot bijna midden Duitsland. Door erosie komt er een hoop vrij ook jouw haaien tanden. Ik vind regelmatig fossiele sponzen en zee egels en ik woon op een plek 10 meter boven zee niveau
I’ve been binging your channel for months and I must say that I find your channel truly enjoyable on so many levels. Your personality, enthusiasm, sarcasticness, and so on are so perfect for all the subject matter you bring up. Thank you so much for producing such quality content and keep up the great work.
That's so mind boggling to me how for long periods it was covered with water then dried for long periods, then was covered in water again, same with the Sahara alternating between green and desert periods. That dramatic transformation of the landscape over such long periods of time really fascinates me.
For anyone interested in what actually happened to dogger land, Milo Rossi aka miniminuteman and history with Kayleigh have just done a couple great videos on the topic
The proud traditions of doggerland can still be found in green lanes and public car parks across the UK, flashing lights, masks and a sticky situation.....a truly ancient tradition
I really love how your channel covers so many different topics. I mean the variety of your subjects is just great. Sometimes you cover things that I know about, or know a little bit about, or know nothing about until you tell me about it, and every time you present it captivatingly
Yeah, he covers so much... almost like he's just googling things. Oh wait he is, because if he actually bothered, he'd pick up on facts like the fact it wasn't even always an island, or the fact he got the boat location entirely wrong
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Joe, I would love to see you do an episode on the Minoan's and their possible link to Atlantis. The Minoan's and their technology, was centuries more advanced than what anyone else had.
@@Dionysos640 I don’t think it was fictional at all. The name, yeah completely made up by the Greeks. But an island with advanced technology for it’s time, being destroyed…. The Minoans were exactly that. The eruption of Thera and the subsequent 12 distinct tsunami events which followed over the course of four days, was astronomical. That eruption changed the Mediterranean forever, in less than a week.
Thanks for the video on the Irish famine Joe! I’m British and at school we still learn about the famine just being caused by the disease. Thankfully being half Irish I’ve always been aware of the real cause of all the deaths.
Have to agree! As late as the early 2000's schools here we're still teaching about a historical famine caused by potato blight. But only in recent years the documents, detailing the huge export of goods from the country have revealed it was a massive case of neglect towards the Irish people by its own government in Westminster. The population in 1847 was estimated at 8.5 million people and when I was still in school in the 90s it was still only recovering at 3.7 million People. Now stands at a comfortable 5.15 million people.
From the north east coast of the UK, we have a petrified forest under our beach and that's only a bit north of dogger. Apparently the tsunami hit all along the coast where I live destroying land and life 😬 Brilliant coverage thanks 👍
2:06 i watched a documentary where it was saying they thought that france & england used to be joined together by the same limestone hills that make the white cliffs of dover... and during the ice age, huge iceshelves were there, which made the north sea more like a fresh water lake than a sea.. and water levels would rise and fall.. and they had a theory that at one point when the water levels were particularly high, the water came cascading thru the english channel forming very quickly this channel cutting a huge gorge thru there and therefore at some point the water level would have dropped dramatically... the level could have gone up and down in various points in history so a certain few thousand years it might have been boggy & lower water levels than the atlantic etc..
Fun fact. In the UK a dogger is someone who goes to watch other people get freaky in their car which is parked in a secluded spot on a cold and rainy Tuesday night in December. 👍
I don't think Joe will reply to this comment or even see it, but thank you for all the great videos sir. You are a smart, funny, and really good video maker and I have learned a lot from you, I hope to see many more videos I been watching for so long and your work just stays great and never changes. I appreciate your hard work and you seem like a genuine cool guy so thank you again sir.
Great video. I've heard about Doggerland many times but this is the 1st time I've ever heard anyone call it an island. Interesting. Oh hey, I'm from Dallas area too.
I've been writing a song about Doggerland for about 3 years. It's kind of a fantastical take on what it was, but I'm very interested in it from a scientific point of view. I'm glad to see it getting more attention just recently.
Given you've brought up the whole Atlantis bit, I would love to see you do a dive into the topic of the Younger Dryas Impact Hypothesis, and particularly the ideas brought up by Graham Hancock in his book Fingerprints of the Gods and the evidence brought to life by people like George Knapp. It's a pretty compelling story of a lost civilization of ancient times that has been gaining more momentum in recent years with the discovery of sites like Gobekli Teppi.
in short, the Earth was hit by a meteor that instantly melted the two mile thick glacier in North America and Greenland. This caused the oceans to flood instantly not gradually as you noted. The proof is now out there. Academia is just slow to believe it. thanks and hope you cover this in more detail next time.
If you don't care about accuracy. Doggerland was not always an island. But why bother uncovering anything past the initial Google search. If you like his content, literally just open up Google and you've got something better.
The glaciers and ice was so thick , it weighed down on the continental shelf they sat on . This tilted the shelf of land where doggerland was up and created bogs and maybe some forests. As the ice melted the shelf of land which was pushed up by the weight of the ice now was sinking below sea level . Very little of doggerland being submerged had to do with the amount of ice melting , but more to do with the weight of the ice not pushing down on the shelf and and no longer tilting doggerland up.
another example of islands disappearing in recent human history: in the Song Ma river in Vietnam near the Thahn Hoa bridge, there were an island, where it looked like a few people had lived, but it disappeared within the last few years, you can still see satellite photography of it using Google Earth Pro and it's time travel or whatever feature, though strangely you can see what looks to be it moving about in different time snapshots when it was visible, and that's just one example, there's probably way more
You have to remember Stonehenge at one time did not look so rough, all of the stones were perfectly cut and polished, revealing all of the cool colors of the different stones
There was a far bigger more complex henge in Ireland at one point. Made of wood! Also you have to imagine the Palace complexes these ancient monuments represented in their time, they had towns built around them, there is much yet we don't know. They were contemporaneous and built in such a way as to be aligned over miles and centuries. I really don't understand the dismissal of these sites for the grandeur of the pyramids, just takes a bit more imagination.
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The Dutch created an entire province in the middle of an inland sea in The Netherlands (the province of Flevoland) a little over 100 years ago. Now over 400.000 people live there in many modern cities. There's a lot of farmland and even an international airport. I'd say it's worth spending money on reclaiming land, as long as you let the Dutch do it.
What I find interesting is that according to Plato, Atlantis was off the coast of North Africa. And according to topography of the ocean floor, there's a pretty geometric square pattern with grids inside of it off of the coast of North Africa.
Here in america we are used to being screwed if we need to buy anything. Wouldn’t be surprised to find it cheaper. I know I choose payouts in euros on my phone apps because I can get more with it 😂🎉
Great video as always. Couldn't help but notice you used a picture from Tromsø when talking about saving the livelihoods of people living along the north sea. Unfortunately Tromsø is way further north than the dam you mentioned, so it unfortunately wouldn't help us much up here. So if you want to experience Tromsø you should visit while it's still above water! Or maybe not, flying or taking a boat here probably just hastens our doom..
@@darren8453 pretty sure, mostly because there was nothing in the context that implied he was talking about a specific group of people. Besides, why would a picture of Tromsø be used to represent the Sami?
I once found an Ammonite fossil in our side yard when I was a kid in Lucas, TX. Our dirt is black, it was pink. Also found fossilized corral in the neighborhood. I was really into geology in elementary school.
Not quite "Dry" land. Although there probably was dry land, Peat is typically formed when beavers dam a creek, form a pond where organic matter is deposited over time, the pond fills in, becomes acidic and pickles the organic matter. Also lakes can fill in over time in the same way.
The first Brexit 🤣🤣 as a Scottish person I love this. Awesome video Doggerland is quite a popular thing to learn about here same with the various stone circles and a possible Tsunami that happened somewhere in England I think? I learned a lot I didn't know though so thanks Joe.
A Dogger is a Dutch fishing boat not Danish. The Pesse canoe was found deep inland at Assen, not the north sea. Most of the sea level rising in the North Sea is because of isostatic rebound 😅
Robert E. Howard wrote a lot about continents that sank under the sea in his famous stories about Conan the Barbarbian; and that was at a time when continental drift was still considered a rather esoteric and disputed idea...
This video is fascinating. Thank you! "There used to be an island here." That's how I feel about where I presently reside. The locale, for the most part, could be referred to as "No one you want to listen to tours here, USA". Yeah, no. Aside: An area of land behind where I grew up looked like the bottom of an ocean from millions of years ago crossed with a deep dessert. It was filled with all sorts of fossils. It was amazing. Until it was, of course, bulldozed to place a swath of cheaply constructed awful cookie cutter houses that paid no heed to the area, the people who'd live there or the most basic of planning or design tenets.
yey! vikings had unsinkable aircraft carrier midpoint to continent and british island. This is what I thought, north sea aint so friendly and it is long way from norwegian coast.
Plato's description of Atlantis' location puts it closer to the Azores. There are several sea mounts in the area that have geologic features indicating they were once above sea level such as beach sand. One of them was actually called Atlantis sea mount but it was changed to Atlantic.
The land slide causing a tsunami concept is actually very interesting. I just watched a documentary where scientists are concerned about a similar event occurring from an explosion of Kīlauea, possibly washing away Honolulu and the rest of the island chain.
Agreed. Actually more interesting than the breaking of the ice wall causing the first Doggersbank decline. It's a far more unpredictable phenomenon and it makes you kind of think how well we know the risk of landslides from the continental shelve on these particular spots. I mean if the storm surge of 53 can cause so much havoc in this area ...
Washington state released data that claims earthquake* (land slips) are caused by water (very wet soil, softer rock) being pulled beneath the mantle and getting stuck on more dense Rocky material.
That's pretty interesting, i had no idea about that. It explains a lot honestly, i mean, once again a great flood, and people from around that time and area were highly superstitious, to me it sounds like one of the main sources that could be the origin of the flood story. Nothing to do with Atlantis, but yeah, the fact that they had tools shows that they weren't some mindless crowd, and maybe to any surviving generations the lost 'homeland' elevates to legendary status, a story which in turn makes it to Plato. Who knows, maybe the same story serves as the origin of 2 separate legends, of course i'm just guessing, sitting stoned on my couch, but it's fun to think about.
I had never heard of this until I did a genealogy test and found out the paternal side of my family was from Doggerland as part of the journey it has taken.
For the last couple years, I have had a couple subnautical anomalies on my wall. Would anyone care to guess as to their provenance? Port Royal Jamaica at 40 feet deep, Port of Julius Rome at 5 meters deep, Cleopatra's Palace at Antirhodos at 5 meters deep, the Bimini Road at 18 feet deep, the Yonamuni Monument at 26 meters deep and 91 feet tall, Cambay India at 120 feet deep, and the Baltic Sea Anomaly at 100 meters deep...
There’s a beautiful piano piece by Claude Debussy called “La Cathedrale Engloutie”, or The Engulfed Cathedral. It’s based on this Breton myth that on clear days at low tide, a castle can be seen rising from the ocean, which then engulfs it again as the tide rises. It’s a beautiful piece, and I wonder if the myth has anything to do with this disappearing island.
This is also true of the Great Barrier Reef as well. There are oral records from the Native Australians that match the geological history of the Reef's formation and rising sea levels. It's estimated that after the last mini ice age we had the sea levels in Australia rose fast enough that they lost kilometres of shoreline at a rate that was noticeable over a single lifetime in that era. The reefs are on top of a shelf that used to be above water about 10 000 years ago and people living there at that time lived out on these shelves since access to the shore was access to food for them. The oral legend says something about a hunter accidentally catching a stingray on his spear which was actually one of their gods in physical form; being kind of pissed off about getting a spear through it the god in turn raised the seas and flooded the villages so the people had to move further inland away from the better fishing areas.
Hmm, as years go by, the supernatural events of the past get discovered one by one :D By the way, Richat Structure in Mauritania is pretty promising for the actual Atlantis location.
@@AdvancedLiving I see; well, I guess the limestone just materialised itself at some point, and the scientific papers about how north Africa was underwater between 100M and 50K years ago is a hoax then.
Pretty sure Atlantis wouldn't have been anywhere near the North Sea as it was seen as a natural paradise and that region literally under ice when Plato said it sunk. But hey. What do i know.
I live in east Anglia and when I take a trip to the coast I find it fascinating to think when I look out over the sea that there was once a large island out there, and if the sea level dropped just 20m , about 60 ft., some of it would reappear.
I often feel like I'm auditing a real academic course when I watch videos like this by Joe Scott, where the teacher is the best on campus and enrollment always rapidly fills up to maximum.
Very interesting! Being born and grown up in Ahrensburg Germany we had that topic in school and visited the "Tunneltal" were these hunter gatherers lived… Had that story almost forgotten over the years and was surprised that our teacher did not tell us about the Doggerland. It was in the 80s and perhaps it was not so know except for people at university…
I'm not really into archeology, but as soon as you bring up cities buried by oceans or sand, I suddenly feel a desire to volunteer with the recovery efforts. It's so intriguing.
That means you are into archeology
@@JOSWAY787 haha I guess you're right.
You're into archeology and other skullduggery.
@@grossindecency shhhh, that was supposed to be a secret.
Sounds like you have a career to pursue
One of my uni professors (University of Birmingham) was one of the leading specialists in the last days of Dogger Island. He had dedicated years to it and managed to have a Time Team special filmed for it (a docu entertainment series that was a fairly big hit on UK TV). Sadly, he passed away right before it aired but at least it's a bit better known than when he started work on it :)
Oh my god, was that y'all? I loved that episode. So interesting for all the many disciplines that had to be organized together.
Love Time Team!
He must've been pretty old. Also, I didn't even know they had scientists back then. Were they using their secret technology to hold back the water? /s
Love that show! I'll look for that episode!
Time Team is awsome.
I recently learned about how King Richard III remains were discovered. Its a fascinating story of hard work and good fortune that resulted in the miraculous recovery of his remains. I think you'd enjoy the story and it might make a good video here on your channel Joe! :-)
Oh Hallo there Xisuma! Nice to you see watch him too.
Shouldn't be surprised, but first time seeing you here :D
"The King in the Car Park", definitely a story worthy of Joe's attention.
Interesting to find you here, Interesting anecdote
Small world
If I’m not mistaken, he was under a parking lot and they had it down to what parking space to dig up. Pretty damn accurate for the time that’s past.
7:54 Hey, I live in Pesse. It is a small, not too interesting town. But on a small square there is a small monument of this boat. The actual boat is now in the Assen Museum in The Netherlands.
archeologists 1000s of years from now: "what are all these windmills doing underwater?"
"I bet they used underwater currents to harness energy. Why aren't those windmills adapted to water tho?"
@@EnciuConstantin also why so many ppl have cement benches with wood and cloth inside them and pyramid shaped crystals over little black boxes with antennae.
Anything that would compromise our long term continuity of civilisation at this point would leave humanity in the dark ages until the next ice age starts.
There are too many people, and too many backups of all the information we have.
@@HisameArtworknot sure I follow
Nothing will remain of modern day windmills after thousands of years. Their longest lasting component, stainless steel, can last over 1000 but the other parts will decompose in 20-500 years. Nothing else will remain of our current day cities either except some parts of the stone buildings and graveyard stones.
It boggles my mind when I imagine all the secrets of history that lie beneath the ocean
And it doesn't have to be that deep under the water either, given that some of the underwater ruins that have been discovered are shallow enough to dive to.
Unleash the Kracken!
It’s the best place to hide anything
It’s alantis and it’s real
There is something very fascinating about the fact that the top of Dogger Bank is only 13 metres below sea level, and during storms waves may still break over it in the middle of the North Sea.
13 meters below sea 🌊 level is something that should have been in the video thanks for sharing that 👍.
If this was near china 🇨🇳 they turn it into an island 🏝 again and put a military base on it.
13 metres is about 42 feet. Four storeys are pretty high.
The stone pathways that fade into the ocean on many English isles are beautiful but also terrifying. Imagine having a link to a neighbouring area. And then the water just rises up and you could no longer walk there. Probably in your lifetime.
I live in the Netherlands 😅😅😅
Help
I don't think we need to imagine it. It's happening right now.
@@FeeshUnofficial I feel anxious on your behalf. This century will not be kind to your country, and the proposed project to help save the Netherlands is - and this is not an exaggeration - absolutely batshit insane.
The current plan is to build dams across the North Sea from Scotland to Norway and across the English Channel from Cornwall to Brittany; turning the North Sea, English Channel and Baltic Sea into an absolutely gigantic lake.
@@FeeshUnofficial Heh. Can you tell I made that comment before I had finished watching the entire video?
@@jamielonsdale3018 we have been fighting the ocean since literally forever. Pliny the Elder was a Roman historian who described the tribes living in modern-day NL as "more people die in the fight against the sea than against each other"
@Joescott Hey Joe you mentioned the boat of Pesse at around 8:00 , it was found in the Netherlands near a village called Pesse, a few hundred kilometers lower then the position of Dogger Island. I'm not saying you are completely wrong, but since it is in my back yard, I wanted to mention that. And by the way, I have seen the original boat when I was a boy. At that moment it was not on display in the regional museum of Drenthe, so we where invited to follow the conservator to the museum storage to have a look. It was an amazing sight. Thanks for the great video!
He gets so much wrong. It wasn't always an island even, but he doesn't learn anything past the first response on his Google search so it's not shocking.
@@cherriberri8373 That may be, but I still think it's a good, educational video.
It wasn't an island. It wss the land bridge that linked the British Isles to mainland Europe.
First time viewer, long time UA-camr here. I knew within less than a minute of seeing this video that I should subscribe ;)
That means he's good. I work in film and TV--not that that means jack these days; but you can still notice quality content when you see it. Not necessarily in the production values or content, which are obviously fine, but in the delivery. Nice.
On the other side of the UK there's also the story of Cantre’r Gwaelod, a legendary flatland that was supposedly in Cardigan Bay; as well as Lyonesse, a strip of land running out as far as the isles of Scilly, which would have been a lot bigger five thousand years ago and possibly one large island.
When you're out in the Scillies it's really easy to see how they were one island once.
And here I thought Lyonesse was a Warhammer invention.
@@lunakoala5053 It's loosely linked with Arthurian mythology, but also remembered in Cornish folk tales.
you can visit Borth Beach on Cardigan bay and at low tide find the sunken forest.. tree stumps in the sand and mud
however no tech whatsoever to connect them to an advanced civilisation, hell up to this age anglos are semi barbaric....
Thank you Joe! Being from Denmark, I often heard Dogger Bank referenced during the weather forecasts on the radio, but it was just "another spot in the ocean" I knew nothing else about. You taught me something very interesting about the area of Europe I grew up in - an interesting fact about the ice age I thought I knew everything about. Thank you for doing great videos!
Dito in Sweden, always on the weather report. And in an old song, Fred Åkerström - Gamla Nordsjön.
@@zapfanzapfan Same here in the UK. All those odd sounding names of places around the North Sea, in the weather reports on some radio stations.
Dogger bank was always the famous one. It was always a favorite of the shipping forecast.
@@Thurgosh_OG yeh the shipping forecast: Dogger, Fisher, German Bite, Scilly Automatic, Fastnet what any of it means i just pretend its some alien broadcast
@@zapfanzapfan Interesting since Sweden isn't even remotely close to the Dogger Bank nor a North Sea nation. Well call me surprised.
Like already said in the comments, the story about Rungholt could be covered in a follow up video. It was wiped out in the flood on January the 16th in 1362. It is estimated that 25,000 people died in that event. The flood changed the landscape of the Northern Sea dramatically. The whole coast line was different afterwards.
This is the second video I've watched on this channel and I'm thoroughly, and delightedly, HOOKED! Joe Scott is just my kind of historian: thorough, with apparent passion for his field, blended with skillful editing to smooth credible information smoothie... and his sense of humor is both well timed and relevant. SUBSCRIBED!
I live in norfolk uk and often think about doggerland when I'm at the beach looking for artifacts. My niece found a beautiful handaxe, though I've not been so lucky. I have found some mammoth teeth and imagine them wandering across this huge lost landscape. Maybe there is a big wooden henge down there somewhere 🤔
Damn how’d u find a mammoth teeth on the beach
Dogger Bank is in a lot of history books due to the events of the Russo Japanese war.
@@rustomkanishka how is dogger bank involved in the russo-japanese war?
Doggerland is what we call our local Tesco Carpark.
I was waiting for a Brit comment on dogging. I doubt Joe knows what it is.
@@OneLeatherBoot I’m a Yank who’s spent enough time in the UK to Google that in incognito mode but not enough to actually know what it is. 😂
And that was a good call. I feel dirty now.
@@SportPlusDad stay innocent.
@@OneLeatherBoot innocence is fine. Naivety is boring. 😜
I have several large “rocks” that are actually the remains of an ancient seabed. I dug them out of the side of a hill out in west Texas. Lots of cool stuff buried in the Earth and the sea.
In England we learn about doggerland in year 5 (grade 4) and the migration of hunter gatherers to the UK
I'm surprised it took you this long on this one Joe! Nice vid! I live in Northern Ireland. Therefore the ancient geology, and ancient evolutionary history of these Atlantic lands - so close to me, is very interesting in localised human evolution. I mean these islanders of Doggerland may have flourished for centuries, and those who migrated when the Glaciers decided to force them so....must have passed on the tale of a golden land they fled...which turned into a marshland in the end, before being submerged.
This reminds me of the town of Rungholt on the west coast of what is today northern Germany. It was completely washed away in a single storm that took about 20,000 lives and altered the entire coastline in the 1360's. It's also often called the Atlantis of the north. I think that would make an interesting video as well.
There is also the legend of a fabulously rich port town of Vineta, supposedly located somewhere in the southwest Baltic. First mentioned by a German 11th century chronicler, Adam of Bremen, it was allegedly inhabited by Slavs, Greeks, and other peoples & was apparently one of the biggest port cities in the region, if not Europe. It is said to have either been raided, sacked & destroyed by a Viking fleet... or sunk into the sea by angry gods in punishment for its sins.
@@paulrockatansky77 I never knew of this place, thanks for sharing
@@paulrockatansky77 you mean Hedeby? better known as Haithabu the biggest and rich "viking" Town 1066 destroit by slavs
@@mariojakel5544 Haddeby is still an existing, inhabited village. But it is now located on the other bank of the river, and of course, the fortified city and harbor of the viking age are gone (a museum now), so those were sacked.
Its funny that you mentioned the Pesse Canoe, I was born within 5 miles of where it was found. Have seen it about half a dozen times throughout my life. Never really thought it was significant until you mentioned it😜
As a Dutch citizen and learned about Doggerland at elementary school even, i think it's nice seeing you cover it. Also covering the NEED project is something nice. Maybe make a video on this as well. Would be a huge project to do it and as calculated it would save a lot of damage money from climate stuff. Only issue is that the North Sea and all the other water will slowly lose their salt contents and the walls will influence the sea currents.
Change the sea currents and we change the heat / cooling cycle.
the other thing that would save a lot of damage money would be burning fossil corporations to the ground when they actively buy governments to prevent their profits being lost
@@Jack_Russell_Brown it would lose salt the same way the former zuiderzee lost its salt. fresh water rivers feeding it. dont forget the elbe, rijn, maas, seine, thames, schelde, and many other rivers ending here
@@hashtagrex not burning. fire only makes more pollution. contaminate the interior of their buildings with radioactive material, harmless enough to not cause damage within a day or so, but that'd do damage if the corporation buildings stay occupied.
and if they find a new location to settle, rinse and repeat.
obv I'm not serious(maybe 🤔), but it would still make less pollution than burning down a building while having the same effect ... also abandoned buildings taken back by nature are one of the prettiest things in the world
I could not help but think that this NEED project will cause the exacerbation of rising sea level in rest of the world especially if they choose to pump water out of the dams. So by saving millions of people in the North Atlantic from drowning, the rest of the world will suffer the consequences unless they choose to build dams for themselves. Also, the ecological wildlife in that area will definitely suffer from the lack of currents and decrease in salinity.
I live in the north east of England and after storms it's not uncommon for the Petrified Forests to be visible on the beaches (maybe they were joined to Doggerland?). It's a bit surreal the first time seeing what look like amazingly preserved tree stumps in the middle of the beach but it becomes one of those things that's just taken for granted when you live with it. Much like stone circles, castles, Roman ruins, and other stone age things when there's loads around you!
Someone found an Auroch (ancient ancestor to the cow) skull a few weeks ago. Bits wash up every now and then. Auroch were thought to have become extinct around the British Isles about 4000 years ago so I wonder if they were wandering around on Doggerland before it went under water.
They have actually fished up tree trunks an other objects in the area, even anchor stones. Highly interesting matter!
you could walk from england to france back in the day. it was all land.
@@Dionysos640 space isn't interesting anymore because we already live on a planet. why do we need to look at other planets
There was a land bridge to the European continent over 12000 years ago
@@Dionysos640 One has to remember USA has only been around since 1776; so this vlogger is justified in his excitement to discover this. I’m waiting for the vlog on First Nation Americans and genocide (apparently one can’t say Native Americans, someone can correct me if they like) or how the giant species were hunted to extinction on the American continent.
It was only a matter of time before you did Dogger Bank! It is a fascinating subject, I work on an aggregate dredger that dredges really old river beds of doggerland for fine sand that then gets used to build infrastructure projects in london. Love the videos 😊
Heard that the Dutch are specialists in dredging up sand to create islands. are you one of them?
@@ecoideazventures6417 No British. Work for the big 3. Dutch mainly specialised in maintenance dredging, we do materials for the construction industry, fine sand and shingle. About 5000 ton at a time.
Do you ever dredge up any archeological findings from dogger land? Like old weapons etc
Do you have an archeologist on board?
If you'd like to explain more about your job and what exactly you do and how the operation works I'd be very interested to hear it
Thus begins the creation of the Dogger triangle, where islands go missing mysteriously.
There's also lots of people in cars
@@rhodrage 😂😂😂😂😂😂
I naively drove into a dogging place by accident one night.
Saw things I can never unsee.
Won’t even go back in daylight 😂
You brits and your freaky Nature 🤣
@@DKProduction-oo4yj
You guys have the same freaky nature, you just have more room 😉
@@ascgazz Oooh that's disgusting.
Location...?
Thinking about the peoples who lived on Doggerland makes me think of all kinds of peoples throughout history (I highly recommend reading The Dawn of Everything: A New History of Humanity by David Graeber and David Wengrow).
this is nuts.. im from ireland, this is the 1st time ive ever heard of dogger island..thanks for sharing
I'm really liking these few videos on ancient history. I'd be enthusiastic about an ancient history series with Joe. You always deliver you dashing smart man. Keep it up 👌🏽
Dogger is not derived from Danish but from Dutch. "Dogge" was the Dutch word for codfish.
A video on how the Chesapeake Bay was formed would be cool!
Porcupine Bank is an area of the Irish shelf, on the fringes of the Atlantic Ocean approximately 200 kilometres (120 mi) west of Ireland. The relatively raised area of seabed, 200 m below sea level at its highest, lies between the deep-water Porcupine Seabight and Rockall Trough.
The name comes from the bank's discovery in 1862 by HMS Porcupine, a British sail and paddle-wheel ship used mainly for surveying.
The northern and western slopes of the bank feature species of cold-water corals.
According to Dr. Anthony Grehan of the National University of Ireland, Galway, the virtually untouched site could benefit dwindling fish stocks and possibly aid medical research.
"These are by far the most pristine, thriving and hence spectacular examples of cold-water coral reefs that I’ve encountered in almost ten years of study in Irish waters. There is also evidence of recent recruitment of corals and many other reef animals in the area suggesting this area is an important source of larvae supply to other areas further along the Porcupine Bank."
- Dr. Anthony Grehan,
In an 1870 paper presented to the Geological Society of Ireland, Mr W Fraser suggested that these reefs mark the site of the sunken island of Hy-Brasil.
Thanks for dong a show on Doggerland. You left out my favorite story. The archeologists found a village where there is evidence that after it submerged people went out and left offerings at this former homeplace for many years.
Well, if you already have a salacious bone, I guess you're going to dong a show.
@@davidanderson_surrey_bc Nope just cant tyoe
You got close, Joe, to a much larger story than just Doggerland. Look at the paleo coastline of the British Isles coming out of the Younger Dryas, prior to the first sea level rise that left Doggerland as one (but not the only) vestige. For me, the far more interesting area is the once dry Irish Sea, English Channel and the area south of present day England and Ireland. This area was likely more temperate, and was significantly larger than the later Doggerland. Keep in mind, that Plato dated the inundation of Atlantis to thousands of years before his time. The North Sea tsunami and the eventual final rise of sea levels that took out Doggerland was thousand of years later. Plato said that Atlantis became a mud flat impassable to boats … which is what would have separated the British Isles from Europe after the earlier inundations. Let’s also not forget that anti-religious scientism pushed “gradualism” as Orthodoxy for the last 150 years as catastrophism was viewed as “religious”. That orthodoxy is breaking down rapidly as our understanding of both genetic and geologic history since the rise of anatomically modern humans in northwest Africa (?) some 300,000 years ago has improved. Btw even the USGS is throwing in the towel on no Americans until the Bering land bridge, as sites 30,000 years or older in the Americas are being recognized as well as other genetic flows into South America. Plato’s writing also include a quote from an Egyptian priest about ancient cycles of the rise and fall of civilizations due to catastrophe. The extreme catastrophists want to place a giant Atlantis out on the mid-oceanic ridge and push tortured theories to get it to disappear. The severing of Britain and Ireland from Europe behind an impassable mud flat Channel and North Sea is the sinking of Atlantis … no magic is required. You can go from these significant global sea level rise events to Fermi Solutions as while the Earth is an Eden most of the time, and on the scale of human lifetimes, not so much in terms of longer timelines. The Fermi Solutions universally are expansions upon what we see here on Earth, cycles that destroy fragility and complexity due to cosmic, geologic, biologic and anthropologic knockdowns and bottlenecks.
South Americans were in the America's weren't the oldest remains on earth of a human found in Chile, I can't remember? But the "Indians" did cross over from Asia
Plato invented Atlantis as a literary device; it is no more real than Hogwarts. Nobody had ever heard of Atlantis until Plato wrote about it.
“Aristotle believed that Plato, his teacher, had invented the island to teach philosophy.”
@@Brinta3 That's a silly argument. "No one wrote about Atlantis before the first guy wrote about it." I'm sure that we found a text written earlier by some other guy you'd be telling us how Atlantis was unheard of before that other guy wrote about it, and Plato just copied it. Unfortunately for your little pet theory there is mounting evidence of not only an Atlantis like civilisation existing during and at the end of the last ice age, but there is also strong evidence for cataclysms occurring around that time big enough to wipe a major civilisation out.
The most silly counter argument against Atlantis is people expecting pretending like "advanced" means "flying saucers" when they all know full well that "advanced" 12,000 years ago meant "has figured out how villages work".
@@CristiNeagu
I think Aristotle, who personally knew Plato, would have known if Plato got it from an earlier source. Aristotle was also very much acquainted with Plato’s writing style and therefore knew that it was just a made up place.
But please point me to this mounting evidence you speak of. Where can I read about evidence for the existence of Atlantis?
As bad as Irish Famine was, it wasn't the worst atrocity since Doggerland sank. The British Isles were hit particularly hard by the Black Death, over 60% of the population died as a result. By contrast, 'only' 20% of Ireland died during the Famine, and a further 40% emigrated.
In case anyone else is curious about 4:48, a Heinrich event is a natural phenomenon in which large groups of icebergs break off from glaciers and traverse the North Atlantic. (from wikipedia)
I thought the Heinrich Maneuver was when icebergs reach around a large island in order to force it to cough up a smaller island.
Great to see a little history of Lake Agassiz. Long time viewer of your vids Joe, I grew up in Dauphin, Manitoba which is right beside Riding Mountain, which was carved by the glacier. Lots of interesting terrain back home.
The amount of research and effort that went into this really shows. Super interesting. Great job 👍
Really? I did not even watch, because the Atlantis fable is in the thumbnail and I like my reality real.
@@miepmiepzoefzoef Weird that you still clicked on it and decided to comment. nerd.
🤦♂️the amount of mistakes in the research amounts to an F, but ok…
Honestly that annoyed me too but he's keeping it real never fear.
What reading a Wikipedia article?
Thanks!
North sea dam would be a seriously impressive and useful thing .. but it would also be the most obvious and vulnerable target for every crank and extremist able to put together a few tons of explosives.
I live on the edge of Doggerland and have found a lot of small stone and bone tools spanning a period of 4000 years when Doggerland was still completely dry 😁
euhm ik heb op het strand een hele hoop haaien tanden gevonden, zelfs een paar grote tanden en volledige zwarte haaien tanden. Die grotere tanden zouden van de megalodon moeten zijn ( dat beest is uitgestorven 16 miljoen jaar geleden???) en een fossiele tand kleur na 1 miljoen jaar pas zwart of mss zelfs nog later. Wat doet dat bij ons aan de kust? Het zeetje komt pas kijken :).
@@gerriehensen7475 In die tijd bestond Nederland nog niet en ging de zee tot bijna midden Duitsland. Door erosie komt er een hoop vrij ook jouw haaien tanden. Ik vind regelmatig fossiele sponzen en zee egels en ik woon op een plek 10 meter boven zee niveau
Atlas Pro has a great video on this as well. Besides Doggerland, he's exploring also other sunk lands around the world.
Just watched it the other day! Recommend.
I can vouch for that. Great channel.
I can vouch for that. Great channel.
@@joescott Great Video btw. You still add great value to topics I've seen before. Glad to be a subscriber of yours for years.
I’ve been binging your channel for months and I must say that I find your channel truly enjoyable on so many levels. Your personality, enthusiasm, sarcasticness, and so on are so perfect for all the subject matter you bring up. Thank you so much for producing such quality content and keep up the great work.
I've never Binged a channel, but I've Googled a lot of them.
@@davidanderson_surrey_bc I have a Duck Duck Go at them.
That's so mind boggling to me how for long periods it was covered with water then dried for long periods, then was covered in water again, same with the Sahara alternating between green and desert periods. That dramatic transformation of the landscape over such long periods of time really fascinates me.
For anyone interested in what actually happened to dogger land, Milo Rossi aka miniminuteman and history with Kayleigh have just done a couple great videos on the topic
The proud traditions of doggerland can still be found in green lanes and public car parks across the UK, flashing lights, masks and a sticky situation.....a truly ancient tradition
Maybe the original Doggerland was like that so God washed the Earth clean of it.
@@alastairward2774 one can only hope it happens again
Dogging
I was looking for this comment.
Dutch fishing boats were called 'Doggers'... Hi from the UK.
I really love how your channel covers so many different topics. I mean the variety of your subjects is just great. Sometimes you cover things that I know about, or know a little bit about, or know nothing about until you tell me about it, and every time you present it captivatingly
Yeah, he covers so much... almost like he's just googling things. Oh wait he is, because if he actually bothered, he'd pick up on facts like the fact it wasn't even always an island, or the fact he got the boat location entirely wrong
this morning I woke up with terrible anxiety but I've been using Joe's videos as a small island of refuge from this mental storm
You might be deficient in Vitamin B1
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Have your doctor also check your vitamin D levels. You may need more D if you spend a lot of time inside and/or if you are in a cloudy climate. It helped me a lot! I wish you well! From always indoors in Seattle.
Just remember we'll all be dead one day and this life will be but a fleeting dream. It's all a joke you know, it's absurdly stupid, life!
@@gaywizard2000 And too fucking short.
Joe, I would love to see you do an episode on the Minoan's and their possible link to Atlantis. The Minoan's and their technology, was centuries more advanced than what anyone else had.
@@Dionysos640 haha that's what you say!
and... and... thousands of experts... but i want to believe
@@Dionysos640 but cities and civilisations that got flooded aren’t, and they’re probably what the myth was based on
@@Dionysos640 I don’t think it was fictional at all. The name, yeah completely made up by the Greeks. But an island with advanced technology for it’s time, being destroyed…. The Minoans were exactly that. The eruption of Thera and the subsequent 12 distinct tsunami events which followed over the course of four days, was astronomical. That eruption changed the Mediterranean forever, in less than a week.
@@Dionysos640So is your statement, maybe!
I've just been working on the windfarm project this year doing preliminary site surveys. I was amazed by how shallow the water depth was there
Thanks for the video on the Irish famine Joe! I’m British and at school we still learn about the famine just being caused by the disease. Thankfully being half Irish I’ve always been aware of the real cause of all the deaths.
Also, I’d love to see a video on El Dorado.
Have to agree! As late as the early 2000's schools here we're still teaching about a historical famine caused by potato blight. But only in recent years the documents, detailing the huge export of goods from the country have revealed it was a massive case of neglect towards the Irish people by its own government in Westminster. The population in 1847 was estimated at 8.5 million people and when I was still in school in the 90s it was still only recovering at 3.7 million People. Now stands at a comfortable 5.15 million people.
From the north east coast of the UK, we have a petrified forest under our beach and that's only a bit north of dogger. Apparently the tsunami hit all along the coast where I live destroying land and life 😬
Brilliant coverage thanks 👍
I think that was the storegga slide which Joe mentioned.
Thanks, might need to read up on it.
Could keep me awake at night tho 😬
@@lesleyb26 I live near New England, USA coast and they are threatening us with an underwater landslide from somewhere in the Canary Islands. 😱
@kitefan1
Nature is it's own boss isn't it and we forget that sometimes 😬
2:06 i watched a documentary where it was saying they thought that france & england used to be joined together by the same limestone hills that make the white cliffs of dover... and during the ice age, huge iceshelves were there, which made the north sea more like a fresh water lake than a sea.. and water levels would rise and fall.. and they had a theory that at one point when the water levels were particularly high, the water came cascading thru the english channel forming very quickly this channel cutting a huge gorge thru there and therefore at some point the water level would have dropped dramatically... the level could have gone up and down in various points in history so a certain few thousand years it might have been boggy & lower water levels than the atlantic etc..
Fun fact. In the UK a dogger is someone who goes to watch other people get freaky in their car which is parked in a secluded spot on a cold and rainy Tuesday night in December. 👍
Wow that’s so cool. My parents talk about driving to Doggerland every Friday night
Not sure what you did differently this time, but made me actually consider curiosity stream / nebula ...
Great video as always, thanks
Probably the ‘salacious bone’ thing…
I don't think Joe will reply to this comment or even see it, but thank you for all the great videos sir. You are a smart, funny, and really good video maker and I have learned a lot from you, I hope to see many more videos I been watching for so long and your work just stays great and never changes. I appreciate your hard work and you seem like a genuine cool guy so thank you again sir.
You've mixed many of my favorite subjects into one video! I love that you were able to combine geography, geology, and archeology!
Also zoology, oceanography, and climatology.
In the UK we have known for a very long time about this because we have pulled up mammoth bones in fishing nets in that area.
Great video. I've heard about Doggerland many times but this is the 1st time I've ever heard anyone call it an island. Interesting. Oh hey, I'm from Dallas area too.
I've been writing a song about Doggerland for about 3 years. It's kind of a fantastical take on what it was, but I'm very interested in it from a scientific point of view. I'm glad to see it getting more attention just recently.
Given you've brought up the whole Atlantis bit, I would love to see you do a dive into the topic of the Younger Dryas Impact Hypothesis, and particularly the ideas brought up by Graham Hancock in his book Fingerprints of the Gods and the evidence brought to life by people like George Knapp. It's a pretty compelling story of a lost civilization of ancient times that has been gaining more momentum in recent years with the discovery of sites like Gobekli Teppi.
Yes!!! Please cover this!
in short, the Earth was hit by a meteor that instantly melted the two mile thick glacier in North America and Greenland. This caused the oceans to flood instantly not gradually as you noted.
The proof is now out there. Academia is just slow to believe it.
thanks and hope you cover this in more detail next time.
Joe you have like 1,4 million subs but it would be fair to say that you're still the most underrated content creator. Excellent work
If you don't care about accuracy. Doggerland was not always an island. But why bother uncovering anything past the initial Google search.
If you like his content, literally just open up Google and you've got something better.
The glaciers and ice was so thick , it weighed down on the continental shelf they sat on . This tilted the shelf of land where doggerland was up and created bogs and maybe some forests. As the ice melted the shelf of land which was pushed up by the weight of the ice now was sinking below sea level . Very little of doggerland being submerged had to do with the amount of ice melting , but more to do with the weight of the ice not pushing down on the shelf and and no longer tilting doggerland up.
another example of islands disappearing in recent human history: in the Song Ma river in Vietnam near the Thahn Hoa bridge, there were an island, where it looked like a few people had lived, but it disappeared within the last few years, you can still see satellite photography of it using Google Earth Pro and it's time travel or whatever feature, though strangely you can see what looks to be it moving about in different time snapshots when it was visible, and that's just one example, there's probably way more
You have to remember Stonehenge at one time did not look so rough, all of the stones were perfectly cut and polished, revealing all of the cool colors of the different stones
Are we/they sure that it was completed?
@@kitefan1 I have no frickin clue
There was a far bigger more complex henge in Ireland at one point. Made of wood! Also you have to imagine the Palace complexes these ancient monuments represented in their time, they had towns built around them, there is much yet we don't know. They were contemporaneous and built in such a way as to be aligned over miles and centuries. I really don't understand the dismissal of these sites for the grandeur of the pyramids, just takes a bit more imagination.
@@jacktravers5049 arguably too that stonehenge nearby counterpoint woodhenge may have been more impressive in scale too
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The Dutch created an entire province in the middle of an inland sea in The Netherlands (the province of Flevoland) a little over 100 years ago. Now over 400.000 people live there in many modern cities. There's a lot of farmland and even an international airport.
I'd say it's worth spending money on reclaiming land, as long as you let the Dutch do it.
God created the world. The Dutch created the Netherlands!
What stops the Dutch from taking over the newly drained North Sea?
@@feryth Nothing new. Where do you think Flevoland is? What do you think they reclaimed it from?
and what s the relevance to this topic ? other then look at us !
@@feryth The harbour of Rotterdam is extended into the North Sea. So no, we didn't stop
What I find interesting is that according to Plato, Atlantis was off the coast of North Africa. And according to topography of the ocean floor, there's a pretty geometric square pattern with grids inside of it off of the coast of North Africa.
Headed to watch your forgotten atrocities serious right freaking now, thank you very very much!
So happy to hear you visited us in Ireland 😊🇮🇪 I hope you didn't pay an arm and a leg for everything over here
Well I still have all my appendages so it wasn’t too bad. 😄
Actually we loved it there.
@@joescott but... do you have Irish heritage? I went in '88 when pubs were still very smoky, and Guinness warm. Good Times.
@@squirlmy They'd probably spit in your drink if you told them you have Irish heritage lol
Here in america we are used to being screwed if we need to buy anything. Wouldn’t be surprised to find it cheaper. I know I choose payouts in euros on my phone apps because I can get more with it 😂🎉
Great video as always. Couldn't help but notice you used a picture from Tromsø when talking about saving the livelihoods of people living along the north sea. Unfortunately Tromsø is way further north than the dam you mentioned, so it unfortunately wouldn't help us much up here. So if you want to experience Tromsø you should visit while it's still above water! Or maybe not, flying or taking a boat here probably just hastens our doom..
Are you sure he wasn't talking about the Sami people?
@@darren8453 pretty sure, mostly because there was nothing in the context that implied he was talking about a specific group of people. Besides, why would a picture of Tromsø be used to represent the Sami?
I once found an Ammonite fossil in our side yard when I was a kid in Lucas, TX. Our dirt is black, it was pink. Also found fossilized corral in the neighborhood. I was really into geology in elementary school.
Any area that is large, flat and sandy was probably sea floor at some point.
That's SO COOL!
Are you in it still?
Not quite "Dry" land. Although there probably was dry land, Peat is typically formed when beavers dam a creek, form a pond where organic matter is deposited over time, the pond fills in, becomes acidic and pickles the organic matter. Also lakes can fill in over time in the same way.
The first Brexit 🤣🤣 as a Scottish person I love this. Awesome video Doggerland is quite a popular thing to learn about here same with the various stone circles and a possible Tsunami that happened somewhere in England I think? I learned a lot I didn't know though so thanks Joe.
A Dogger is a Dutch fishing boat not Danish.
The Pesse canoe was found deep inland at Assen, not the north sea. Most of the sea level rising in the North Sea is because of isostatic rebound 😅
It was found in Pesse not in Assen
@@egbertjanemmens5432 Yes, stupid mistake, I should have said that you can see him in Assen, it's obvious that it was found in Pesse
Isostatic rebound results in land level rising, not sea level.
you should do a video on the antikythera mechanism found in the mediterranean .. an ancient analog computer. pretty nuts.
Ooh yes! Absolutely incredible piece of engineering and precision from a time when such things supposedly didn't exist
I think he already has
This was fascinating. DNA study for my family showed markers from the Doggerland area. Soon as I saw the thumbnail, I had to watch.
Robert E. Howard wrote a lot about continents that sank under the sea in his famous stories about Conan the Barbarbian; and that was at a time when continental drift was still considered a rather esoteric and disputed idea...
The enclosure dam project was proposed back in the 1930s … highly technical and closes off many sea-going ports …
This video is fascinating. Thank you!
"There used to be an island here." That's how I feel about where I presently reside. The locale, for the most part, could be referred to as "No one you want to listen to tours here, USA". Yeah, no.
Aside: An area of land behind where I grew up looked like the bottom of an ocean from millions of years ago crossed with a deep dessert. It was filled with all sorts of fossils. It was amazing. Until it was, of course, bulldozed to place a swath of cheaply constructed awful cookie cutter houses that paid no heed to the area, the people who'd live there or the most basic of planning or design tenets.
there used to be a part of the continent there and it’s known as Doggerland
no shit
Really ? I am surprised that wasn't mentioned in the video or description
There is an area local to me where doggers go. Is this the same?
yey! vikings had unsinkable aircraft carrier midpoint to continent and british island. This is what I thought, north sea aint so friendly and it is long way from norwegian coast.
I became interested in Doggerland through my family genetic research as I have genes associated with the lost landmass. Neat little overview.
Plato's description of Atlantis' location puts it closer to the Azores.
There are several sea mounts in the area that have geologic features indicating they were once above sea level such as beach sand. One of them was actually called Atlantis sea mount but it was changed to Atlantic.
I have done a lot of research on Doggerland, it is fascinating
The land slide causing a tsunami concept is actually very interesting. I just watched a documentary where scientists are concerned about a similar event occurring from an explosion of Kīlauea, possibly washing away Honolulu and the rest of the island chain.
The possible slip of the cacadia subduction zone is also pretty scary and we have data from the last major slip.
@@justanotherguy4202 Canary Island cliff rupture along glass-like fissures would engulf New York 6hrs later. 😶
Agreed. Actually more interesting than the breaking of the ice wall causing the first Doggersbank decline. It's a far more unpredictable phenomenon and it makes you kind of think how well we know the risk of landslides from the continental shelve on these particular spots. I mean if the storm surge of 53 can cause so much havoc in this area ...
Washington state released data that claims earthquake* (land slips) are caused by water (very wet soil, softer rock) being pulled beneath the mantle and getting stuck on more dense Rocky material.
That's pretty interesting, i had no idea about that.
It explains a lot honestly, i mean, once again a great flood, and people from around that time and area were highly superstitious, to me it sounds like one of the main sources that could be the origin of the flood story.
Nothing to do with Atlantis, but yeah, the fact that they had tools shows that they weren't some mindless crowd, and maybe to any surviving generations the lost 'homeland' elevates to legendary status, a story which in turn makes it to Plato.
Who knows, maybe the same story serves as the origin of 2 separate legends, of course i'm just guessing, sitting stoned on my couch, but it's fun to think about.
They're both part of the same area/sinking process.. 🤔
I had never heard of this until I did a genealogy test and found out the paternal side of my family was from Doggerland as part of the journey it has taken.
Maybe they got out on a Pesse canoe. Sort of a Noah's ark for ancient Britons.
For the last couple years, I have had a couple subnautical anomalies on my wall. Would anyone care to guess as to their provenance? Port Royal Jamaica at 40 feet deep, Port of Julius Rome at 5 meters deep, Cleopatra's Palace at Antirhodos at 5 meters deep, the Bimini Road at 18 feet deep, the Yonamuni Monument at 26 meters deep and 91 feet tall, Cambay India at 120 feet deep, and the Baltic Sea Anomaly at 100 meters deep...
There’s a beautiful piano piece by Claude Debussy called “La Cathedrale Engloutie”, or The Engulfed Cathedral. It’s based on this Breton myth that on clear days at low tide, a castle can be seen rising from the ocean, which then engulfs it again as the tide rises. It’s a beautiful piece, and I wonder if the myth has anything to do with this disappearing island.
Similar to Hy Brasil (Irish legend) where on a day at low tide, can see top of a cathedral or some building
This is also true of the Great Barrier Reef as well. There are oral records from the Native Australians that match the geological history of the Reef's formation and rising sea levels. It's estimated that after the last mini ice age we had the sea levels in Australia rose fast enough that they lost kilometres of shoreline at a rate that was noticeable over a single lifetime in that era. The reefs are on top of a shelf that used to be above water about 10 000 years ago and people living there at that time lived out on these shelves since access to the shore was access to food for them. The oral legend says something about a hunter accidentally catching a stingray on his spear which was actually one of their gods in physical form; being kind of pissed off about getting a spear through it the god in turn raised the seas and flooded the villages so the people had to move further inland away from the better fishing areas.
Hmm, as years go by, the supernatural events of the past get discovered one by one :D
By the way, Richat Structure in Mauritania is pretty promising for the actual Atlantis location.
In the middle of a desert when sea levels were lower. Riiiiiiiiiiight. That theory has only been disproven hundreds of times already.
@@AdvancedLiving I see; well, I guess the limestone just materialised itself at some point, and the scientific papers about how north Africa was underwater between 100M and 50K years ago is a hoax then.
Pretty sure Atlantis wouldn't have been anywhere near the North Sea as it was seen as a natural paradise and that region literally under ice when Plato said it sunk. But hey. What do i know.
Richat structure, North Africa me thinks
@@ricardosmythe2548 more likely candidate is the Azores.
Doggerland has always fascinated me but I never knew why it "sunk" so quickly. I didn't know about the enormous lake in north america.
I live in east Anglia and when I take a trip to the coast I find it fascinating to think when I look out over the sea that there was once a large island out there, and if the sea level dropped just 20m , about 60 ft., some of it would reappear.
Wasn't an island it was a huge land mass that connected Europe the British isles across to Norway
Yes I heard that to got washed up by ice age
I often feel like I'm auditing a real academic course when I watch videos like this by Joe Scott, where the teacher is the best on campus and enrollment always rapidly fills up to maximum.
I'm sure you're familiar then of the Paluxy River in Glenn Rose. I used to explore there all the time back during the late 1960s.
Very interesting! Being born and grown up in Ahrensburg Germany we had that topic in school and visited the "Tunneltal" were these hunter gatherers lived… Had that story almost forgotten over the years and was surprised that our teacher did not tell us about the Doggerland. It was in the 80s and perhaps it was not so know except for people at university…
Australia also flooded from the west and drained away in South Australia. A huge amount of water rushed inland.