I swear they'll nerf her with something like "When she dies her station no longer refill." Or "She needs to be in the proximity for them to work" or the classic."Now she has 2 of them"
Agreed,... having 3, semi-permanent (unless broken) healing stations that dish out 30 hp, can be reset to avoid timer. It's overpowered. Taking at least one away would balance it out a bit. Come on, doc only has 3 shots and that's it. Done,.. and they can miss fairly easily by a broken pixel.
I mean besides her Kona stations: She's a 3 speed, with an AR on defence, the choice between impacts and a nitro and she has 2 pretty good secondaries to choose from. What was ubi thinking when making her? With her gadget she is just a better doc as well...
I am 100% sure ubi did it to sell its premium pass and once everyone get her they'll nerf her. Its like pay to win for some time and it boost their sale. Look at new camo bundle theyll surely make changes but for now they'll sell it.
@@gametabulas But headshots aren't a guarantee with such slow firing weapons like the Spear. Especially from long ranges where most attackers have better rifles than you.
They’re thinking people will spend money to unlock her on a very old game. Then they’ll nerf the shit out of her when they think they’ve hit a decent profit margin from the update. Literally.. every Ubisoft game like this they do this.
@@javiermarchan8536 exactly. Allowing her to bring in potentially limitless additional hp to the game is the real issue. Then it doesnt matter what the community bypasses or how. Literally every op that brings in additional hp potential to the game, its always limited by a set number of utility. I dont think she should surpass a 220hp potential
Yes, it exists for a reason. So you have to wait if she isn't there to redeploy. If she is there and wastes the time to redeploy, you don't have to wait, very simple.
@@toledavid89 exactly. People forget she’s a three speed with a great gun. If a player wants to waste the round sitting in objective all round just redeploying stations, then your team is at a 4-5 basically
Great idea I love it I think it should cap 5 until you use one then it keeps going so he has unlimited like thunderbird but I think her kona station should on give 15 hp no 30
Doc will be even worse after the armor/hp changes go through. Currently he is able to get an overheal with 2 of his stims (after being downed and using one stim to revive himself) but with the new hp system he will not get any overheal from using 2 stims
Man remember when they first announced this operator everyone thought they would be useless. When the hell is siege community going to learn that we need to use the op before we determine how good/bad they are. Same shit happened with Zero, Tachanka, Kali. Everyone thought they were all going to be so overpowered and brake the meta, and yet here we are doing the same shit with thunderbird.
Yeah she isn’t OP at all. Just the same shit we’ve seen before from the siege crybaby community She is useful in low level ranked and casual play, but in higher level ranked games her impact on the game isn’t anywhere near as effective with people having much better aim and reaction times
They should make it like old jager where you can't pick up the ads once it is used up. So in this case, you cannot pick up the heal station when it is on cooldown.
They could also make it like Aruni where you can pick it up but you can't place it back down until it's off cooldown (I think this is how Aruni works I could be wrong)
I really dont believe the resetting the Kona stations is an intended mechanic, seems like an obvious thing that's going to get patched out because that's too strong. Maybe need to up the cooldowns a bit too. Then she'll be fine.
Cool downs a half minute. It’s frankly really hard to place because you need to put it in places people are going to have to expose themselves in for a bit.
I feel like making it so she places the station and after its active it won't heal for the normal cooldown (like 38 seconds) both lets you move her stations, but not chain heal them would be a pretty easy fix
I imagine they’ll rework it in some way where Thunderbird can pick up/reset the cooldown but it takes like 10 seconds to do or just a long period of time that would make it refill if she does it manually
Legit I'm starting to believe that they purposefully left her overtuned in order to sell the season pass. The community brought this issue up in test server feedback that actively resetting the station by re-placing shouldn't be a feature, but alas it made it to the live build.
When most people play Doc they tend to be selfish, or simply put just not around when you need to be healed. With Thunderbird, its more player friendly, allowing for opportunities to be healed when in need.
Lengthen the initial cooldown upon activation should be enough. If ubi disable her ability to retrieve cooling-down Kona, it'll also nerf off-site Kona since Thunderbird can't take it with her when retreating from a roam spot. That'll make every off-site Kona have an expectation of 1 stim per round or below.
Hot take: I think T-Bird should lose a station, but that's it. Having 3 stations is VERY strong, but the idea behind babying a station repeatedly to get the healing to reset takes time. Stations take about 10 seconds to fully recharge from picking up and putting down. Do that with the 2-3 second animation to pick it up, and to put it down, and you do effectively halve the cooldown time. I think her having to waste the time and potentially expose herself to danger while resetting those stations is fine, but she doesn't need 3. I'd be OK with her losing a station, OR with the station needing longer to wind up animation wise.
Each Kona Station should only be able to heal 2x on each Kona Station and deal 20hp per heal. Also the Kona Station should have 30 second cool down after each heal. For Xbox & PS I would like to add one more healthy suggestion, make the Kona Station have a quick prompt by tapping RIGHT on D Pad while in it's range to get a heal or else you will be getting randomly healed for no reason. (Would be any keybine you set it to on PC.)
Removing the ability to pick them back up OR just increasing the time it takes to charge after placement should work. Probably put a limit on the amount of health each can give would be wise. I think 4/station is reasonable with 3 peaceable stations, limiting it to 240 potential additional health. If they bring it down to 2 stations, then maybe 5 or 6 per station. Clearly 300+ additional hp potential is too high, and with Doc still being in the game, and Finka and Rook getting their reworks, I think even 240 potential hp is still too high. 200-220 sounds like a good balance.
I don’t know what the hell they were thinking when they made thunderbird. She has the best gadget in the game, a good ar on defense, a nitrocell, a very underrated shotgun and she in my opinion is a VERY good romer
possible nerf on her would be the limitation of pellets on her gadgets and/or removing the re-deploy reset but ubi would then like increase her armor and the recoil first before they get to her gadget and nerf it.
I think they will definitely make it so you can’t reset it by picking it up and they might take one away or take away her C4 or something because right now she seems like she’s insane. I don’t have her yet but she has a amazing gun a S tier ability and c4 or impacts. She’s also a 3 speed with a smg secondary. Just too good
Macie, hello! I’m yours greatest fan, you’re playing so smart! When you upload new videos I always learn something new in this game even after 1500 hours in it. Good job, buddy!
I personally think that thunderbird should've had Hibana's type 89 (without 1.5 ofc) instead of spear. For me it would make her balance and won't be the new "jager" because of the ammo deficit. Still a good gun, but ammo is balanced so Thunderbird users won't be that much aggro. I also prefer if she has barbs and bulletproof camera instead in order to limit her site reworking capabilities and the nitro is just really an addition to her offensive arsenal. Giving her shields is also a big no no because of the attributes of her gadget.
In my opinion whatever cooldown remains after taking a stim and picking it up should remain after placing the same kona stations again. i believe this will balance her and lets see if it's too defender sided.
Thunderbird is a fun operator, like the gun and her ability is so nice - and the number of Ace-clutches and multi-kill clutches the last few days is...wow...
I think they should make it a manual action. So you actually have to look at the station and actively press a button and go through and animation, much like rook armor.
Good Kona placements or maybe I should say lucky Kona placements can be really good, I got downed as smoke when I was trying to deny a plant that’s going down in the last 2 seconds and found myself near a Kona station, I was able to pop back up and activate the smoke and won the round. Pretty lucky gotta say
This cycle truly sucks, People have wanted viable operators and reworks for the past years then once we get a decent op it’s too much.. What reason is there to bring a Melusi now? as if the pathfinder ops don’t have busted kits either a bandit just has to listen and he can deny every hard breach o_O? Also everytime a rework comes out out the maps are either banned cause no one cares about learning the new map or not played because it’s not in a competitive queue... Ubi has definitely made some questionable choices but I ultimately feel what’s killing siege is the fans themselves. Literally anything ubi do will spark sides of why this should or shouldn’t be in the game.
@@bohdanyakimchuk8505 I wouldn’t doubt it for one second if you told me the team that threw the game against Zofia immediately contacted UA-camrs to get them to make videos on taking it out the game.
I swear they'll nerf her with something like "When she dies her station no longer refill." Or "She needs to be in the proximity for them to work" or the classic."Now she has 2 of them"
"Now she has 2 of them" - sad goyo noises
She needs it tho, this is OP as hell
if they simply made it so she can't reset them i'd be alright...
She def needs to lose 1 or make it so each one gives a certain amount of heals cause having unlimited heals especially on defense is actually stupid
Should be nerfed. This is shittiest idea ubi has ever had
Being able to pick them up and place them back down seems like a big issue. Being able to reduce the cooldown like that shouldn't be a thing.
@v4p0rw4v3 aruni gates are retrievable
@v4p0rw4v3 you must be the worst Aruni player if you think gates are not retrievable.
They can do what they did to Kaid, a micro buff where they increase the radius but in turn makes it take longer to go into effect when placed.
@@ryanbolson23 when he plays Aruni he probably unluckily gets a shorter prosthetic arm for her, so he can't retrieve his gates 🤷♂️
Its just lazy programming
It does kind of amaze me that the arming time isn’t also 30 seconds like the reload time.
I hope that gets changed soon
It will get nerfed in about 3 months
@@alexmoore9758 nerf will come right when the season pass exclusivity ends
@@MrTeddy12397 sadly not wrong lmfao
Won't be 30 HP either.
"good thing we have heals"...dies immediately after..."nevermind" 😂
Greatest jinx of all time 🤣
She’s literally doc on overdose of his stims
she's doc wife
@@cptmzh13 nah, she prob gay
she heal enemys pritty goood
Macie 20 HP : "Good thing we have heal"
Random grenade : "Not so fast."
Definitely is a bit strong. Maybe they’ll change it so you can’t reset it? That seems like the simplest solution.
They should take one away at least
@@JH-dr4xo no
@@snepNL yes
Agreed,... having 3, semi-permanent (unless broken) healing stations that dish out 30 hp, can be reset to avoid timer. It's overpowered. Taking at least one away would balance it out a bit. Come on, doc only has 3 shots and that's it. Done,.. and they can miss fairly easily by a broken pixel.
Or make them limited use. Maybe 2 hits per drone? Thats six hits and plenty of health compared to what doc normally does.
I mean besides her Kona stations: She's a 3 speed, with an AR on defence, the choice between impacts and a nitro and she has 2 pretty good secondaries to choose from. What was ubi thinking when making her? With her gadget she is just a better doc as well...
Theres nothing wrong with good operators. Plus, the Spear is one of the worst assault rifles in the game.
I am 100% sure ubi did it to sell its premium pass and once everyone get her they'll nerf her. Its like pay to win for some time and it boost their sale. Look at new camo bundle theyll surely make changes but for now they'll sell it.
@@eoinmacdonnchadha5682 i disagree spear is most stable gun, it has nearly no recoil. Its a laser. And 1 headshot is all you need.
@@gametabulas But headshots aren't a guarantee with such slow firing weapons like the Spear. Especially from long ranges where most attackers have better rifles than you.
They’re thinking people will spend money to unlock her on a very old game. Then they’ll nerf the shit out of her when they think they’ve hit a decent profit margin from the update. Literally.. every Ubisoft game like this they do this.
it’s so weird seeing cavs shotgun on a new op, i watched macie kill the dude at 3:04 and was like why didn’t he interrogate him?
lolz I thought he was playing cavs too since cavs also has C4
I mean, it is written Thunderbird in the title
@@hkazxc7309 cav doesnt have c4
Yeah she shouldn't be able to bypass the cooldown,it exists for a reason.
They should just give her a limited amount of heals after a certain amount it should be destroyed or something
@@javiermarchan8536 exactly. Allowing her to bring in potentially limitless additional hp to the game is the real issue. Then it doesnt matter what the community bypasses or how. Literally every op that brings in additional hp potential to the game, its always limited by a set number of utility. I dont think she should surpass a 220hp potential
Yes, it exists for a reason. So you have to wait if she isn't there to redeploy. If she is there and wastes the time to redeploy, you don't have to wait, very simple.
@@toledavid89 exactly. People forget she’s a three speed with a great gun. If a player wants to waste the round sitting in objective all round just redeploying stations, then your team is at a 4-5 basically
Its crazy the amount of times I’ve hit a thunderbird yet she still hasn’t died…crazy operator
In Thanos words himself. You should've went for the head 😂
@@professorlangford1575 😂 your most definitely right.
look where your missed headshots lead you....back to me
Aim better then
No amount of HP will protect you from a headshot
In order to make doc relevant again, they should make his stims charge like lesion's gu mines
Great idea I love it I think it should cap 5 until you use one then it keeps going so he has unlimited like thunderbird but I think her kona station should on give 15 hp no 30
Really good idea bro
No, because this would make games skewed even more to defenders
I can feel a nerf with the resetting of her station cooldowns
That - C4 was so perfect through that tiny hole.
Macie you’re a legend don’t let anyone tell you different
I agree with you mate
faxxxxx
Yes master you are
Litterally nobody says different 😅
Fax
Doc is basically a joke now huh
Yup his stim gonna need buffs
Doc a bum 😭
Not really lol I still roam with him
Especially since they took his acog away
Doc will be even worse after the armor/hp changes go through. Currently he is able to get an overheal with 2 of his stims (after being downed and using one stim to revive himself) but with the new hp system he will not get any overheal from using 2 stims
"Good thing we have heals"
Grenade: NOT TODAY JUNIOR!
I love it when Macie's hand shakes while trying to blow his thrown C4 lol
Man remember when they first announced this operator everyone thought they would be useless. When the hell is siege community going to learn that we need to use the op before we determine how good/bad they are.
Same shit happened with Zero, Tachanka, Kali. Everyone thought they were all going to be so overpowered and brake the meta, and yet here we are doing the same shit with thunderbird.
Yeah she isn’t OP at all. Just the same shit we’ve seen before from the siege crybaby community
She is useful in low level ranked and casual play, but in higher level ranked games her impact on the game isn’t anywhere near as effective with people having much better aim and reaction times
8:08
I was playing this game like 5 years ago, one of the most cold-blooded plays i have ever seen. It made me want to play the game again.
Finka: Consistently healing 300 health per round
Macie: I HATE THAT OPERATOR
Really liking the look of the Oregon shotgun roam with Thunderbird, def gonna try it out in some games tonight!
They should make it like old jager where you can't pick up the ads once it is used up. So in this case, you cannot pick up the heal station when it is on cooldown.
They could also make it like Aruni where you can pick it up but you can't place it back down until it's off cooldown (I think this is how Aruni works I could be wrong)
@@carterwilliams7106 yeah everyone getting asshurt when they clearly just didn’t catch this because no one did it in the test server.
I really dont believe the resetting the Kona stations is an intended mechanic, seems like an obvious thing that's going to get patched out because that's too strong. Maybe need to up the cooldowns a bit too. Then she'll be fine.
Cool downs a half minute. It’s frankly really hard to place because you need to put it in places people are going to have to expose themselves in for a bit.
I feel like making it so she places the station and after its active it won't heal for the normal cooldown (like 38 seconds) both lets you move her stations, but not chain heal them would be a pretty easy fix
When I hear your voice, I feel like I've gone back three years. thx for what you give us
Finally, a title about an operator being OP that's not just clickbait
crazy how 2 years after her release suddenly everyone thinks she's not good
She is good but no one of the team mates uses her gadget so she became some Kind of useless
I never really miss Siege until I watch a new Macie vid lol
7:43 that reaction time is not human 😳
I think this was your best video. The variety of perspectives hahah
Doc: Am I a joke to you?
Thunderbird and all the Siege Community: yes
Macy’s videos are so therapeutic to watch compared to my complete tilt sessions
I imagine they’ll rework it in some way where Thunderbird can pick up/reset the cooldown but it takes like 10 seconds to do or just a long period of time that would make it refill if she does it manually
That last clip was great. After a whole vid of OP healing we get that
Legit I'm starting to believe that they purposefully left her overtuned in order to sell the season pass. The community brought this issue up in test server feedback that actively resetting the station by re-placing shouldn't be a feature, but alas it made it to the live build.
wouldn't be the first time Ubisoft did that. they're a big company after all; I am not surprised
They do this with every new op drop
thats probably intended. League also does that: they make champions overpowered so they sell alot more skins in the first few months
They secretly buffed ela to sell her elite skin too,and then just nerfed her after that.
Lol the timing on that last clip. Great video Macie
"oooooo good thing we have heals" really killed me
I just want an attacker medic. Like it's been 5 years like wtf??? Finka doesn't count
8:38 perfect example of great teamwork and call outs
Is the anyway way for offensive to heal ? I don’t play that much any more but it’s seems like defense always has the advantage
6:13 The betrayal... that Lil bot.. nooooooooo
LMAO that "OoOoOo! Good thing we have heals!" at the end hahahahah
Your knowledge of this game is just insane thats why your the king!
Loved this breakdown, maybe this could be something to occasionally include to give us an idea of what you are thinking the whole time.
Doc just looking at his tracked-up arms and slowly weeps.
10:03
Macie: ooohh good thing we have heals
Nade: not today bruh
That’s the funniest ending to any of your videos
The C4 at 4:32 was so clean dude
This seems like an easy balance solution in making the initial activation timer upon placement equal to the refresh timer after its use.
Bro the ending killed me 😂😂😂, “good thing we have heals…. Nvm” 💀😂
Now you can't believe teammates' "He's one" callouts anymore.
I legit don't know why they introduced her as a defender when doc existed, doc is now redundant
When most people play Doc they tend to be selfish, or simply put just not around when you need to be healed. With Thunderbird, its more player friendly, allowing for opportunities to be healed when in need.
@@GGSairen yeah, agreed, and that's why doc is more balanced and harder than thunderbird
Lengthen the initial cooldown upon activation should be enough. If ubi disable her ability to retrieve cooling-down Kona, it'll also nerf off-site Kona since Thunderbird can't take it with her when retreating from a roam spot.
That'll make every off-site Kona have an expectation of 1 stim per round or below.
That last clip when I was on the stream something inside me was sure that it was gonna be on the video
Thunderbird isn't OP....Macie is the one that's OP!
His game sense is quite remarkable to watch.
Nice to see a goof up at the end. I miss the Macie funny fails
As I found out for myself is that Thunderbird’s device heals/boosts attackers as well as defenders
That c4 toss on kafe 🧐 damn calculated.
Hahahha that end 🤣
That ending was GOLD xD
Macie making this shit look Impossible for the attackers
Macie:good thing we got heal
(after the explosion's of grenade)
Macie:opps never mind. LOL!
The last clip was pure gold
Hot take: I think T-Bird should lose a station, but that's it.
Having 3 stations is VERY strong, but the idea behind babying a station repeatedly to get the healing to reset takes time. Stations take about 10 seconds to fully recharge from picking up and putting down. Do that with the 2-3 second animation to pick it up, and to put it down, and you do effectively halve the cooldown time. I think her having to waste the time and potentially expose herself to danger while resetting those stations is fine, but she doesn't need 3. I'd be OK with her losing a station, OR with the station needing longer to wind up animation wise.
It’s been so long since I’ve seen a macie video. god I love his videos!!
I wonder how many times has Macie made somebody smash there keyboard out of frustration lol
Each Kona Station should only be able to heal 2x on each Kona Station and deal 20hp per heal. Also the Kona Station should have 30 second cool down after each heal. For Xbox & PS I would like to add one more healthy suggestion, make the Kona Station have a quick prompt by tapping RIGHT on D Pad while in it's range to get a heal or else you will be getting randomly healed for no reason. (Would be any keybine you set it to on PC.)
Ubi: Make Zofia cant revive herself
Also Ubi: Make our new operator that can revive herself
Flores becomes a lot more important now. Most matches now, I spend my time blowing up Thunderbird gadgets.
That C4 throw tho... “KOBE!”
"Good thing we have heals.. nevermind" lolol 😂😂
Removing the ability to pick them back up OR just increasing the time it takes to charge after placement should work. Probably put a limit on the amount of health each can give would be wise. I think 4/station is reasonable with 3 peaceable stations, limiting it to 240 potential additional health. If they bring it down to 2 stations, then maybe 5 or 6 per station. Clearly 300+ additional hp potential is too high, and with Doc still being in the game, and Finka and Rook getting their reworks, I think even 240 potential hp is still too high. 200-220 sounds like a good balance.
I don’t know what the hell they were thinking when they made thunderbird. She has the best gadget in the game, a good ar on defense, a nitrocell, a very underrated shotgun and she in my opinion is a VERY good romer
my wife was in labour but Macie uploaded, no regrets
possible nerf on her would be the limitation of pellets on her gadgets and/or removing the re-deploy reset but ubi would then like increase her armor and the recoil first before they get to her gadget and nerf it.
Every time a new op comes out that’s similar to another they go over board. 😂
That redeploy trick is gonna get nerfed so fast, lol.
I think they will definitely make it so you can’t reset it by picking it up and they might take one away or take away her C4 or something because right now she seems like she’s insane. I don’t have her yet but she has a amazing gun a S tier ability and c4 or impacts. She’s also a 3 speed with a smg secondary. Just too good
This is the purest form of "overpowered".
Don't remember the last time I was this early to a Macie video.
Nah Macie just makes any Operator look OP
That last clip is hilarious
Macie, hello!
I’m yours greatest fan, you’re playing so smart! When you upload new videos I always learn something new in this game even after 1500 hours in it. Good job, buddy!
I personally think that thunderbird should've had Hibana's type 89 (without 1.5 ofc) instead of spear. For me it would make her balance and won't be the new "jager" because of the ammo deficit. Still a good gun, but ammo is balanced so Thunderbird users won't be that much aggro. I also prefer if she has barbs and bulletproof camera instead in order to limit her site reworking capabilities and the nitro is just really an addition to her offensive arsenal. Giving her shields is also a big no no because of the attributes of her gadget.
YouR C4 moment is really enjoyable😎
thunderbird looks like old caveira with spas 15 and nitro cell
Macie with big brain play, and hot fix will fix that. Enjoy your content!
Teammate : that is so cheese !
MJ : insane 🤓☝🏽
Refix for Thunderbird’s gadget should be 1. Manually acquire a heal unless downed. 2. An obvious limited usage of heals (plz).
Here’s my take to balance Thunderbird. She will be nerfed to where she can’t pick up and reset the cool down and possibly have 3 heals per station.
Ya exactly. Simple but effective
Loved the ending!
The ending was so gooooood XD
In my opinion whatever cooldown remains after taking a stim and picking it up should remain after placing the same kona stations again. i believe this will balance her and lets see if it's too defender sided.
I think they should make it that, when you pick it up, it continues the cooldown instead of resetting it. And maybe decrease it to 20 seconds
Thunderbird is a fun operator, like the gun and her ability is so nice - and the number of Ace-clutches and multi-kill clutches the last few days is...wow...
I think they should make it a manual action. So you actually have to look at the station and actively press a button and go through and animation, much like rook armor.
Lovely jubbly, now she has the best secondary gadget, gadget, shotgun, and sidearm. Just lovely jubbly for the attacking team.
10:02 best moment of thunderbird
Good Kona placements or maybe I should say lucky Kona placements can be really good, I got downed as smoke when I was trying to deny a plant that’s going down in the last 2 seconds and found myself near a Kona station, I was able to pop back up and activate the smoke and won the round. Pretty lucky gotta say
This cycle truly sucks, People have wanted viable operators and reworks for the past years then once we get a decent op it’s too much.. What reason is there to bring a Melusi now? as if the pathfinder ops don’t have busted kits either a bandit just has to listen and he can deny every hard breach o_O? Also everytime a rework comes out out the maps are either banned cause no one cares about learning the new map or not played because it’s not in a competitive queue... Ubi has definitely made some questionable choices but I ultimately feel what’s killing siege is the fans themselves. Literally anything ubi do will spark sides of why this should or shouldn’t be in the game.
Not even talking about how they cried about zofia withstand. And now they introduce this weird mechanic of selfresing on defense
@@bohdanyakimchuk8505 I wouldn’t doubt it for one second if you told me the team that threw the game against Zofia immediately contacted UA-camrs to get them to make videos on taking it out the game.