y'all forgot how BAD tenta missles were for the longest time until they were buffed into obnoxiously strong state right now. I'd say no special gain until the missiles lands is way more fair and makes it less spammy that's for sure, and probably increase special cost again.
I think the only balance i would agree with is not being able to build special again until the missiles land. Anything more will ruin one of my favorite specials. Personally, I think they are just fine the way they are.
Missiles were shit balance and shit design, now their top tier and shit design. The solution isn't to revert them its to fix the design issues while minimizing loss in practical use.
Personally I see a big difference between Vac/Bubble and the other broken specials. These have more clear vulnerabilities. I can def see them being annoying but not gamebreaking. Another factor is displacement specials seem very strong against them. Tri strike for example would completely stop big bubble + ink vacuum even by itself. I don't think other specials are needed to deal with these, but my point is that with or without your own specials you have options, where something like Armor is chained no matter what. For Tacticooler I think it just needs to not be too much of an effect, which considering S1 meta exists I think the devs won't make it too much. Praying for the Missile rework, while I think LOS is the best change an idea from my comments on making them breakable kind of like the Shark boss in S1 could also be cool, or maybe a combo of both? I think at the end of the day, the design is good so if the devs are willing to tweak the balance of these specials especially in the first few months, then it will be ok. We'll see what happens though. Good video Wadsm.
yeah. splatoon is supposed to be a team game but people play selfishly, so having specials that heavily encourage GET THIS working together in a TEAM GAME is good for the meta and quite the opposite of toxic
Just gonna comment this early: It looks like you can't steer the reef slider at all, and it will probably be easy to avoid by swimming away to the side. Edit: I specified swimming to the side because then you can dodge even an early detonation. That goes double for the squid roll.
But it seems like you could ledge trap with it. It is a selfish special most likely, but even with limits, covering both ledges ramps and ground can be quite the move. Splashdown can't even cover that super well.
Personally I think a really cool way to revamp missiles would be to give the user a much smaller aiming reticle that they have to aim around to lock on to players. This would make it less spammable since they’d have to take time to target people, but still keep its trademark long range artillery feel. This would also give it a counter in the form of swimming around to prevent yourself from being locked on too, making the special more interactive on both ends
I agree. If they reduce it enough, it could at least nerf it by making it gear dependent (of special power up, like some mpu weapons now). Or they could limit it to two targets max
Yeah make it like the same reticle size as a brella, but you have to click on each player you want to target, and you can select a max of 3 players. If it’s like that- I think it’d be more interactive and still have the team displacement aspect and would let new players basically aim train while using it.
I think that might just encourage going further back to be able to target everyone. I think it should be a bit smaller and the range should be limited, and obviously you can only charge it once all of them landed. All of that would encourage missiling close range and takes away the ability to displace the whole team
I'm glad you mentioned Overwatch because that game had (still has) a lot of problems with too many shields which is why newer tanks are being more skill based and less shields.
I really hope that zipcaster is good... it heavily rewards skill because of how it requires good positioning to hide your landing marker and good aim to get real value out of being able to move almost anywhere, but I'm worried that it might be super obvious to see someone fly across the map and shoot them out of the air, and the fact that using your main weapon during the special drains it's duration might mean that most of the time you'd really only be able to get just one kill. I think it has one of the coolest designs in this franchise and it deserves to not be this game's new spashdown!
For zip caster i thinks it's like a glass canon, it allows you if you use it in the right way, to kill ennemys that are away from you but as you said the landing isn't safe, i think it depend also of the weapon you have with and the Map you're playing with
Not only will there be very broken specials to form the meta, but when the inkling dies to the charger in the big bubbler scene, there are only 2 call outs. There definitely needs to be more. May make countering specials easier in some situations.
@@DPRK_Best_Korea Of course. However, I don't know how well specials with less damage will do with it. I just hope there's different call outs like "Enemy" or "Help" just to make the game more balanced.
@@THE-TANGERINE-MAN i really like what they did for OW 2. You can mark pretty much anything by clicking the 3rf mouse button. That way you can at least call out opponents and specials and it's not too complex
As a newer player my thoughts for a tenta rework would look something like a singular large slow moving lock-on missile. Rather than firing a barrage skywards in a fire and forget manner it would instead fire up a few meters then go towards the targeted player, this punishes players not paying attention but also allows them to shoot it down. You could adjust the speed and damage of the missile as needed but as a foundation something like that is what I would do.
All I can say is it also depends on its interaction with other specials and over a certain amount of time, we may or may not learn to play around them. We saw the specials but nintendo has also only really showed them in favorable circumstances for them.
To be fair, the tacticooler + big bubbler combo seems very strong to me. You can use big bubbler to lock down an area but it can also be used very agressively. Get the person using big bubbler to run special charge, special duration and quick super jump up and your tacticooler buddy to run quick respawn and quick super jump. First pop tacticooler and buff your whole team and make a super aggro push, if it dies, get your big bubbler friend to hang back and pop the special. Since everyone got the quick respawn buff and big bubbler has a compketely safe beacon on it, as long as the other team aren't camping the bubbler then you can instantly and safely get your whole team back in to have a risk free aggro push or double down to keep the momentum up like your whole team got wiped and nothing happened. Seems pretty strong to me.
They clearly seem to push Splatoon 3 above and beyond compared to the previous two games. They will at LEAST support the game for another 2 years after it launched, and if they actively follow and accept feedback from the community, than I expect there to be regular nerfs, buffs, and tweaks to all the new specials. Which is cool, heck, perhaps they'll already make changes after the global splatfest, since it seems to act as a test fire. Maybe they should shrink the range/radius of the vac special, or well, make it narrower. It also seems to last for an insane amount of time, maybe shorten the active time as well. Who knows, all we can do is wait and see.
I think a good nerf to bubble would be that it shrinks from being shot at from any direction, rather than only have a weak point at the top of the bubble that half of the weapons in the game can't reach easily. Definitely don't want see orisa/sig meta in the squid game
Honestly at the beginning it will just suffice to have missiles landing not charging the next wave, and increasing the special cost. There you go, problem fixed. If not, it can be nerfed more but it shouldn't be overkill to the point where they are unusable once again.
Not really. It's a straight line, you can't steer it, and you're vulnerable at the very start. It'll start by being "broken" but people will start getting defensive strategies like...the first 2 weeks after launch
Honestly, a way to nerf missles would be purely damage debuffing. They aren't that good for killing enemy players, but great for moving them around. It temporarily disables chargers, splatlings, and any other long range weapon.
i suggest for tentas is that when you activate them, there’s a visual radius everyone can see that goes along with the user currently holding them, the radius being the range that the tenta missiles can go. smart players can use that to track the tenta users, so but they’ll be easier to shoot since they are so close and the tenta user would definitely notice that
Ultra stamp should be hire, as soon as you activate people are running for their lives it’s really easy to push with it and it’s probably splatoon 2’s best designed special. You can also throw the stamp
If the tenta missiles could be not spammable we are safe cuz in one game I count how many times I was the target of a tenta missiles and I was target more than 30 times
Perhaps a good way to nerf missiles would be to shrink the aiming reticle by a significant amount. Maybe so that you can only target 2 people if you are very lucky.
I just think it’s funny how I always said Tenta Missiles are pretty good at the beginning of Splat2 and everyone else said they are complete trash. Then they got buffed and now everyone says they are the best in the game. Even though all they did was speed up the firing process make it ten Missiles for one target, five for two target and that it can shoot at the rainmaker shield. Question: if they revert it to how they worked at the beginning of Splat 2 would they still be considered broken or at least really good? If yes then I’d say I am entitled to drink a huge sip from my mug filled with “I-told-you-so” tea XD
I think that the specials with more potential to be problematic are of course Missiles, but also Tri Strike and Wave Breaker personally. Idk why but I just get bad vibes from those ones
The only thing I would disagree with this list is that I would probably lower hammer, reefslider, and inkjet due to the fact that it doesn't have armor and hard to control and raise the trizooka and triple inkstrike because it reminds me a lot of the inkzooka and inkstrike meta from splatoon 1.
I feel wavebreaker is just a better designed tenta missiles. Both force people to move, both locate people and both provide chip damage. However, wavebreaker encourages you to stay sort of close to the action, seems less spammable and has more counter play.
The Overwatch reference😂😂. That’sthe main reason why I’m playing more splatoon now. Double shield meta as well as other changes like waiting months for OW2 to come out
It’s very likely that things can and will be changed later on so therefore I’m still really looking forward to the game, while also being nervous for the combos and strength of new specials, mechanics and weapons as a veteran
pretty much any displacement or splatting special will eliminate bubble or vac imo and i can see people throwing inkstrikes at the tacticooler to prevent people from getting to it
Interesting that the four specials that worry you have completely opposite playstyles. I think there could be an interesting meta of defensive vs offensive specials.
Hopefully it doesn't absorb any specials, that way it completely counters main and sub weapons, but its weakness is other specials, which can break through the defense.
Ink Vac is gonna be very good for us supportive players because only having like, 2 support Specials in S2 doesnt help much. And being able to counterattack do be nice. But i hopr you can shoot the moment its fully charged rather than needing to wait for the duration to wear out.
the problem with the tacticooler could easily be fixed by giving each drink a random effect (keep the speed up, but add damage up, defense up, etc.) and making all drinks identical so that you dont know which effect you get, which would mean that people running full respawn up would only have a 25% chance of their strategy working
ABSOLUTELY NOT. Do you really think making a special based on RNG is a good idea?! No, it's not. That is the worst possible way to nerf something, "make it only have a 25% chance of being what you want, so you have to get lucky instead of using skill"
@@babywizard9027 it’s not like the other buffs would be bad it’s just different I was a bit disappointed when I realized the drinks all did the same thing
Rain is good because it isn't counterable. It's easy value. But that value isn't much. It's a bit average in the meta. Personally I think rain is really good.
I think it saw alot of use in the CDS meta, as actual sub+rain chip+mpu= good weapon. You give it to a weapon if you think a better special might be overpowered on it while also giving it its best sub
@@faceofbear8024 I'll translate: I think it saw a lot of use in the Custom Dualie Squelcher meta, because a good sub weapon + Ink Storm Chip Damage + Main Power Up = good weapon
One thing that would make big bubbler fair is if only one per team could be active at a time, and you can't build up any special until the bubbler is broken or the time runs out.
I don't think the big bubbler and ink vac will be too much of a problem. i can see other specials like the ink jet counter these a lot easier by shooting from above. and if killer whale goes through shields then that's definitely a good counter too
Ink vac can be easily shut down if you can't flick well with it. Tacticooler gives you stat buffs and could possibly stack onto Comback, LDE and/or Drop Roller so I can see that. Big Bubbler seems like it could be done away with a Hydra or teamwork like a Booyah Bomb. I can't see Missiles being good, it's either terrible (annoying) or terrible (useless) if it's nerfed.
tbh, keeping the maximum amount of missiles per use of the special to 10 would be a great way to nerf it slightly!! so targeting 1 player: 10 2 players: 5 per player and 3 and 4 would both be 2 per player, meaning it would be safer per person!! it would be better than the FOUR PER PERSON it is right now
Tacticooler looks pretty damn busted imo. It already looked strong without the QR, you can put it all the way back to safely buff your team, and it gives QR? Yeah, it's probably getting nerfed. And hopefully not the baby nerf armor got in 1.2 (who thought a powercrept bubbler was a good idea?)
I'm not too worried for the first three specials, the way they're designed still leaves room for counterplay and is more involved than the specials in Splatoon 2, I do think they'll be strong but not gamebreaking like Ink armor, Stingray or tenta missiles, which is why they should just remove tenta missiles from the game outright, even compared to the splatoon 2 specials in this game it just isn't that fun to use or interact even as the tenta missiles user, by a fun/enjoyment perspective, why should a weapon get tenta missiles instead of any other special that could be a thousand times more fun to use, and have the risk of your favorite weapon being stuck with that as a part of it's kit while other weapons get specials that are actually fun to use and to go against? It feels like a dud special in that regard even if it is a very useful one. There are people who say you could nerf it into the ground but now that sucks for the weapons that have missiles, now you have a special that isn't fun and is horrendous, unless they make a genius rework to it, then it probably shouldn't be in the game.
So just an idea don’t know how this works exactly, but you are completely invulnerable while riling with the crab tank right? So why not roll up to the clam basked for super jumps? Baller on steroids if the opponents can’t stop it
At the very least if these specials are overtuned I'm glad they're going to be powerful this early on, so they're unlikely to stay this way as opposed to missiles which was only discovered to be as powerful as it is after nintendo stopped making patches for splatoon 2.
I don't think you can kill people while in big bubbler (the roller steps out of it to kill the vunder), but I do still agree that it will make controlling space a lot easier, especially when paired with Ink Vac
So is everyone ignoring the chaos that team comps with BOTH inkstrike and tenta missiles can cause if used simultaneously or is that not too much of a concern?
Tenta missiles- no one shot hitbox, and your targets have to be within your view to lock onto them, and you can’t start charging it again until all the missiles you fired have landed. Fixed
@@esmooth919 personally i think the no one shot hitbox is fair since if missles r gonna b global i dont see why fair it is to make it so they can insta kill from across the map
I feel like rain and wave breaker should be closer together, as (aside from the echolocator part) they kinda do the same thing. Just one is from the ground, the other by the air.
@@thewanderingchelmet Sorry I'm the guy on the other team in the clip, but stacking QR in Splatoon 1 could shave off about 3 seconds from your respawn time (8 seconds down to 5)
I would make the shooting animation for missiles far longer and make it that you can only charge when all missiles have landed, but slightly increase paint, making it a greater comittment and less spammable but also being a higger threat.
I just don't understand why the devs felt the need to bring back so many specials, especially the older three. They all are either not that good, already have similar counterparts, or a combination of both. As well as Tenta Missiles, which is broken.
i think it was easy to include them since they had to have the assets in the game already for returning boss salmonids. drizzlers can send ink storms and flyfish can send missiles (and fly using an inkjet exhaust) so they figured why not slap those onto the multiplayer kits
I don’t like the tacticooler, because your teammates need to go to it to get anything out of it, and that lets the enemy team know where you are and they could maybe camp it and get free kills. Therefor I only think it would be good in modes like tower control and splat zones where your team is always close together, and otherwise maybe help 2 people on average. I’d say low a or high b
I don’t like the tacticooler, because your teammates need to go to it to get anything out of it, and that lets the enemy team know where you are and they could maybe camp it and get free kills. Therefor I only think it would be good in modes like tower control and splat zones where your team is always close together, and otherwise maybe help 2 people on average. I’d say low a or high b.
It’s not a special you just throw out, like tenta missiles or storm. You’re meant to use it once your team’s grouped up for a push for a mobility advantage. It also makes the rainmaker holder faster and speeds up respawn, so I think it’s pretty good
y'all forgot how BAD tenta missles were for the longest time until they were buffed into obnoxiously strong state right now. I'd say no special gain until the missiles lands is way more fair and makes it less spammy that's for sure, and probably increase special cost again.
All i can say to this is Yes and no
(Less missiles fired)
That would be great
I think the only balance i would agree with is not being able to build special again until the missiles land. Anything more will ruin one of my favorite specials. Personally, I think they are just fine the way they are.
Missiles were shit balance and shit design, now their top tier and shit design. The solution isn't to revert them its to fix the design issues while minimizing loss in practical use.
@@ProChara The SOLUTION is removal
@@ProChara at least they kept armor out. How did it make it past playtesting? It's basically powercrept bubbler 💀
Personally I see a big difference between Vac/Bubble and the other broken specials. These have more clear vulnerabilities. I can def see them being annoying but not gamebreaking. Another factor is displacement specials seem very strong against them. Tri strike for example would completely stop big bubble + ink vacuum even by itself. I don't think other specials are needed to deal with these, but my point is that with or without your own specials you have options, where something like Armor is chained no matter what.
For Tacticooler I think it just needs to not be too much of an effect, which considering S1 meta exists I think the devs won't make it too much.
Praying for the Missile rework, while I think LOS is the best change an idea from my comments on making them breakable kind of like the Shark boss in S1 could also be cool, or maybe a combo of both?
I think at the end of the day, the design is good so if the devs are willing to tweak the balance of these specials especially in the first few months, then it will be ok. We'll see what happens though. Good video Wadsm.
The comment crossover we all wanted
Well ProChara what if you could Stand on top of the Tacticooler? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Would be usefull for highground situations
yeah. splatoon is supposed to be a team game but people play selfishly, so having specials that heavily encourage GET THIS working together in a TEAM GAME is good for the meta and quite the opposite of toxic
@@insertnamehere1398 so true
Just gonna comment this early: It looks like you can't steer the reef slider at all, and it will probably be easy to avoid by swimming away to the side.
Edit: I specified swimming to the side because then you can dodge even an early detonation. That goes double for the squid roll.
Yeah, if you’re swimming towards it, just squid roll and you’re good
But you can detonate it early and surprise people who thought they were safe
But it seems like you could ledge trap with it. It is a selfish special most likely, but even with limits, covering both ledges ramps and ground can be quite the move. Splashdown can't even cover that super well.
Yeah but will they do impact damage
@@slurples149 it was confirmed on twitter that reef slider does indeed deal impact damage if you hit someone on the way
Personally I think a really cool way to revamp missiles would be to give the user a much smaller aiming reticle that they have to aim around to lock on to players. This would make it less spammable since they’d have to take time to target people, but still keep its trademark long range artillery feel. This would also give it a counter in the form of swimming around to prevent yourself from being locked on too, making the special more interactive on both ends
I agree. If they reduce it enough, it could at least nerf it by making it gear dependent (of special power up, like some mpu weapons now). Or they could limit it to two targets max
Yeah make it like the same reticle size as a brella, but you have to click on each player you want to target, and you can select a max of 3 players. If it’s like that- I think it’d be more interactive and still have the team displacement aspect and would let new players basically aim train while using it.
I think that might just encourage going further back to be able to target everyone. I think it should be a bit smaller and the range should be limited, and obviously you can only charge it once all of them landed. All of that would encourage missiling close range and takes away the ability to displace the whole team
@@kilililian1439 I meant a shooter sized reticle so yea that and the missiles landing to charge would definitely help
I'm glad you mentioned Overwatch because that game had (still has) a lot of problems with too many shields which is why newer tanks are being more skill based and less shields.
I really hope that zipcaster is good... it heavily rewards skill because of how it requires good positioning to hide your landing marker and good aim to get real value out of being able to move almost anywhere, but I'm worried that it might be super obvious to see someone fly across the map and shoot them out of the air, and the fact that using your main weapon during the special drains it's duration might mean that most of the time you'd really only be able to get just one kill. I think it has one of the coolest designs in this franchise and it deserves to not be this game's new spashdown!
Zipcaster is litterally a fast movement option. This special can be trash tier or god tier depending how good the player is
I have a big feeling there’s going to be a LOT of buffs and nerfs in Splatoon 3 just like there was for Splatoon 2
true because of how competitive it can get in a kids shooter game 😐 why so many gotta take the fun out of it
"I have a feeling this competitive game is going to get rebalances at some point."
Gee, no fucking shit
For zip caster i thinks it's like a glass canon, it allows you if you use it in the right way, to kill ennemys that are away from you but as you said the landing isn't safe, i think it depend also of the weapon you have with and the Map you're playing with
Not only will there be very broken specials to form the meta, but when the inkling dies to the charger in the big bubbler scene, there are only 2 call outs. There definitely needs to be more. May make countering specials easier in some situations.
We'll see how other specials interact with it. I can imagine booyah bomb, inkstrike, and killer whale being very good at dealing with it.
@@DPRK_Best_Korea Of course. However, I don't know how well specials with less damage will do with it. I just hope there's different call outs like "Enemy" or "Help" just to make the game more balanced.
@@THE-TANGERINE-MAN i really like what they did for OW 2. You can mark pretty much anything by clicking the 3rf mouse button. That way you can at least call out opponents and specials and it's not too complex
As a newer player my thoughts for a tenta rework would look something like a singular large slow moving lock-on missile. Rather than firing a barrage skywards in a fire and forget manner it would instead fire up a few meters then go towards the targeted player, this punishes players not paying attention but also allows them to shoot it down. You could adjust the speed and damage of the missile as needed but as a foundation something like that is what I would do.
Something like the torpedoes huh? Not sure if that'll work, but it's an interesting idea.
All I can say is it also depends on its interaction with other specials and over a certain amount of time, we may or may not learn to play around them. We saw the specials but nintendo has also only really showed them in favorable circumstances for them.
I wonder if weapons like brushes and the splatana would be better in splat 3 since brushes might be able to just run into a ink vac
If Big Bubbler gets too op in ranked, rainmaker might not be able to enter a bubbler, or if the tower comes in contact with one it breaks?
5:09 the hate for Tenta Missiles gives me so much life as a missile lover! 😈🤣😈🤣😈🤣😈
To be fair, the tacticooler + big bubbler combo seems very strong to me. You can use big bubbler to lock down an area but it can also be used very agressively. Get the person using big bubbler to run special charge, special duration and quick super jump up and your tacticooler buddy to run quick respawn and quick super jump. First pop tacticooler and buff your whole team and make a super aggro push, if it dies, get your big bubbler friend to hang back and pop the special. Since everyone got the quick respawn buff and big bubbler has a compketely safe beacon on it, as long as the other team aren't camping the bubbler then you can instantly and safely get your whole team back in to have a risk free aggro push or double down to keep the momentum up like your whole team got wiped and nothing happened. Seems pretty strong to me.
They clearly seem to push Splatoon 3 above and beyond compared to the previous two games.
They will at LEAST support the game for another 2 years after it launched, and if they actively follow and accept feedback from the community, than I expect there to be regular nerfs, buffs, and tweaks to all the new specials.
Which is cool, heck, perhaps they'll already make changes after the global splatfest, since it seems to act as a test fire.
Maybe they should shrink the range/radius of the vac special, or well, make it narrower. It also seems to last for an insane amount of time, maybe shorten the active time as well.
Who knows, all we can do is wait and see.
Im looking forward to combine these specials, imagine a push with crab tank, tentacooler and killer 5.1 alll coming at you
I wonder if tacticooler stacks over crab tank?
I think a good nerf to bubble would be that it shrinks from being shot at from any direction, rather than only have a weak point at the top of the bubble that half of the weapons in the game can't reach easily.
Definitely don't want see orisa/sig meta in the squid game
That's already how it is though, the weakpoint at the top just makes it shrink way more.
Honestly at the beginning it will just suffice to have missiles landing not charging the next wave, and increasing the special cost. There you go, problem fixed. If not, it can be nerfed more but it shouldn't be overkill to the point where they are unusable once again.
The only problem I’ve had with tentamissles are fly fishes from salmon run.
same I just dodge
The surf shark vpn special might be a bit overpowered.
Not really. It's a straight line, you can't steer it, and you're vulnerable at the very start. It'll start by being "broken" but people will start getting defensive strategies like...the first 2 weeks after launch
XD
@@shadedalion5478 Yeah. And you could probably doge it easily with a dualie roll or just swimming away.
@@imsomadgrrr the trail it follows is visible to opponents
As long as you didn't graduate from the Prometheus School of running away from things, you should be fine
Just gotta say, absolutely love the outro music, giving me a massive hit of nostalgia, gotta love Courtney Gears
Honestly, a way to nerf missles would be purely damage debuffing. They aren't that good for killing enemy players, but great for moving them around. It temporarily disables chargers, splatlings, and any other long range weapon.
i suggest for tentas is that when you activate them, there’s a visual radius everyone can see that goes along with the user currently holding them, the radius being the range that the tenta missiles can go. smart players can use that to track the tenta users, so but they’ll be easier to shoot since they are so close and the tenta user would definitely notice that
Ultra stamp should be hire, as soon as you activate people are running for their lives it’s really easy to push with it and it’s probably splatoon 2’s best designed special. You can also throw the stamp
If the tenta missiles could be not spammable we are safe cuz in one game I count how many times I was the target of a tenta missiles and I was target more than 30 times
Perhaps a good way to nerf missiles would be to shrink the aiming reticle by a significant amount. Maybe so that you can only target 2 people if you are very lucky.
Lol what if in the big bubbler, your specials either don’t work or drain two times faster if you’re in it
Also for the tentacooler even if you die you can’t get the buff from the same tentacooler
You can just use triple inkstrikes for rainmaker and fire them to protect the rainmaker
I just think it’s funny how I always said Tenta Missiles are pretty good at the beginning of Splat2 and everyone else said they are complete trash. Then they got buffed and now everyone says they are the best in the game.
Even though all they did was speed up the firing process make it ten Missiles for one target, five for two target and that it can shoot at the rainmaker shield.
Question: if they revert it to how they worked at the beginning of Splat 2 would they still be considered broken or at least really good? If yes then I’d say I am entitled to drink a huge sip from my mug filled with “I-told-you-so” tea XD
I think that the specials with more potential to be problematic are of course Missiles, but also Tri Strike and Wave Breaker personally. Idk why but I just get bad vibes from those ones
The only thing I would disagree with this list is that I would probably lower hammer, reefslider, and inkjet due to the fact that it doesn't have armor and hard to control and raise the trizooka and triple inkstrike because it reminds me a lot of the inkzooka and inkstrike meta from splatoon 1.
Reefslider is invincible while riding.
@@fortunemuderhwa9318 it is? Did the developers confirm it? If so, disregard that comment.
@@kristopherhayes486
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I hope one of the heavy splats or hydras has the big bubbler.
Just make missiles work like Snakes Ultra Smash in Smash Ultimate
tacti cooler *increases your speed by 2% for 5 seconds and make's you respawn a little faster * wadsm: THIS SPECIAL WILL BREAK THE GAME!!
It is NAHT 2% bro lmao
I feel wavebreaker is just a better designed tenta missiles. Both force people to move, both locate people and both provide chip damage. However, wavebreaker encourages you to stay sort of close to the action, seems less spammable and has more counter play.
im in love with the surf shark vpn special
The Overwatch reference😂😂. That’sthe main reason why I’m playing more splatoon now. Double shield meta as well as other changes like waiting months for OW2 to come out
"I don't want to talk about missles too much"
*me either man*
It’s very likely that things can and will be changed later on so therefore I’m still really looking forward to the game, while also being nervous for the combos and strength of new specials, mechanics and weapons as a veteran
Thanks for doing my idea first. Correct me if I am wrong btw.
pretty much any displacement or splatting special will eliminate bubble or vac imo and i can see people throwing inkstrikes at the tacticooler to prevent people from getting to it
Interesting that the four specials that worry you have completely opposite playstyles. I think there could be an interesting meta of defensive vs offensive specials.
I just wanna know what specials the ink vac can absorb
can it absorb missiles? will trizooka beat the vac? will ultra stamp counter the poltergeist?
Hopefully it doesn't absorb any specials, that way it completely counters main and sub weapons, but its weakness is other specials, which can break through the defense.
Ink Vac is gonna be very good for us supportive players because only having like, 2 support Specials in S2 doesnt help much. And being able to counterattack do be nice. But i hopr you can shoot the moment its fully charged rather than needing to wait for the duration to wear out.
the problem with the tacticooler could easily be fixed by giving each drink a random effect (keep the speed up, but add damage up, defense up, etc.) and making all drinks identical so that you dont know which effect you get, which would mean that people running full respawn up would only have a 25% chance of their strategy working
ABSOLUTELY NOT. Do you really think making a special based on RNG is a good idea?!
No, it's not. That is the worst possible way to nerf something, "make it only have a 25% chance of being what you want, so you have to get lucky instead of using skill"
@@babywizard9027 it’s not like the other buffs would be bad it’s just different I was a bit disappointed when I realized the drinks all did the same thing
I wonder if the ink vac can suck up special weapons shots and if killer wail 5.1 can go through big bubbler.
During the test fire, I sucked up a tri-zooka shot so yes
The rain never saw much use in Splatoon 2? I use it all the time!
Rain is good because it isn't counterable. It's easy value.
But that value isn't much. It's a bit average in the meta. Personally I think rain is really good.
@@sherbertshortkake6649 Yeah I like it just knowing it pushes players and I can claim that area or use it to flank.
I think it saw alot of use in the CDS meta, as actual sub+rain chip+mpu= good weapon. You give it to a weapon if you think a better special might be overpowered on it while also giving it its best sub
@@R8Spike These words mean nothing to me 😅
@@faceofbear8024 I'll translate: I think it saw a lot of use in the Custom Dualie Squelcher meta, because a good sub weapon + Ink Storm Chip Damage + Main Power Up = good weapon
One thing that would make big bubbler fair is if only one per team could be active at a time, and you can't build up any special until the bubbler is broken or the time runs out.
I don't think the big bubbler and ink vac will be too much of a problem. i can see other specials like the ink jet counter these a lot easier by shooting from above. and if killer whale goes through shields then that's definitely a good counter too
Ink vac can be easily shut down if you can't flick well with it. Tacticooler gives you stat buffs and could possibly stack onto Comback, LDE and/or Drop Roller so I can see that. Big Bubbler seems like it could be done away with a Hydra or teamwork like a Booyah Bomb. I can't see Missiles being good, it's either terrible (annoying) or terrible (useless) if it's nerfed.
tbh, keeping the maximum amount of missiles per use of the special to 10 would be a great way to nerf it slightly!!
so
targeting 1 player: 10
2 players: 5 per player
and 3 and 4 would both be 2 per player, meaning it would be safer per person!!
it would be better than the FOUR PER PERSON it is right now
I hope they'll not have quick respawn on tacticooler. At least eventually. I don't want a splatoon 1 meta again.
Tacticooler looks pretty damn busted imo. It already looked strong without the QR, you can put it all the way back to safely buff your team, and it gives QR? Yeah, it's probably getting nerfed. And hopefully not the baby nerf armor got in 1.2 (who thought a powercrept bubbler was a good idea?)
I have a simple fix for tenta missiles, just let us have 1.0 tenta missiles from Splatoon 2
As long as bad weapons get good specials it's fine. It's when good weapons get good specials that it's a problem
Tenta missiles needs to be nerfed pretty badly
Or removed, theres no way to rework this special tbh. If they nerf it, it will unusable.
@@j.6267 yeah
I'm not too worried for the first three specials, the way they're designed still leaves room for counterplay and is more involved than the specials in Splatoon 2, I do think they'll be strong but not gamebreaking like Ink armor, Stingray or tenta missiles, which is why they should just remove tenta missiles from the game outright, even compared to the splatoon 2 specials in this game it just isn't that fun to use or interact even as the tenta missiles user, by a fun/enjoyment perspective, why should a weapon get tenta missiles instead of any other special that could be a thousand times more fun to use, and have the risk of your favorite weapon being stuck with that as a part of it's kit while other weapons get specials that are actually fun to use and to go against? It feels like a dud special in that regard even if it is a very useful one. There are people who say you could nerf it into the ground but now that sucks for the weapons that have missiles, now you have a special that isn't fun and is horrendous, unless they make a genius rework to it, then it probably shouldn't be in the game.
So just an idea don’t know how this works exactly, but you are completely invulnerable while riling with the crab tank right? So why not roll up to the clam basked for super jumps? Baller on steroids if the opponents can’t stop it
At the very least if these specials are overtuned I'm glad they're going to be powerful this early on, so they're unlikely to stay this way as opposed to missiles which was only discovered to be as powerful as it is after nintendo stopped making patches for splatoon 2.
I'm not gonna lie it just feels like inkstrike is a worse tenta missile and bubbler is a worse suc vac
yeah it's so fast
Let's see if we can still use main weapon with inkstrike and if it can still block shots/bombs
I don't think you can kill people while in big bubbler (the roller steps out of it to kill the vunder), but I do still agree that it will make controlling space a lot easier, especially when paired with Ink Vac
But we saw the charger shoot someone from inside of the shield. I still don't really know how it works tbh
Well in the turf war match trailer you see a charger inside the big bubbler shoot and splat players
I've gone over this before, the roller was able to attack from within the shield just fine.
Ok, I can't be the only one who knows that the Bug Bubbler is literally just the Splatoon 2 spawn shield repurposed as a special?
@@YouMayKnowMeAsNate Oh that's right. Sorry, I forgot about that
So is everyone ignoring the chaos that team comps with BOTH inkstrike and tenta missiles can cause if used simultaneously or is that not too much of a concern?
Artillery spam lol.
Tenta missiles- no one shot hitbox, and your targets have to be within your view to lock onto them, and you can’t start charging it again until all the missiles you fired have landed. Fixed
I can only agree with the third balance option. The other two will ruin the special
@@esmooth919 yeah, honestly as long as it’s only one of those things I mentioned, not all 3.
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personally i think the no one shot hitbox is fair since if missles r gonna b global i dont see why fair it is to make it so they can insta kill from across the map
Did they say how long the Cooler will stay on the map once deployed? I’m not convinced this special will be op
I feel like rain and wave breaker should be closer together, as (aside from the echolocator part) they kinda do the same thing. Just one is from the ground, the other by the air.
does anyone else feel like crab tank and especially zipcaster don't quite last long enough?
Wow I'm in this video at 4:35
u are? how long did it take to get max respawn
@@thewanderingchelmet Sorry I'm the guy on the other team in the clip, but stacking QR in Splatoon 1 could shave off about 3 seconds from your respawn time (8 seconds down to 5)
But can we push people out off the stage with the tacticooler
Killer Wail doesn't paint, it's pure aggro.
I'm a little sad the zipcaster is kinda bad, it's on of the coolest looking specials in my opinion
Don't bag on it yet, imagine the clam blitz plays
tenta missiles would be better if you could only hear but not see if you have an enemie in your view
well i like tenta missiles but i gotta say they are annoying when focusing on the objective
I would make the shooting animation for missiles far longer and make it that you can only charge when all missiles have landed, but slightly increase paint, making it a greater comittment and less spammable but also being a higger threat.
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can;t believe ink armor is gone ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
wavebreaker good against blasters!
Booyah bomb returning has already continued to ruin tower control.
I just don't understand why the devs felt the need to bring back so many specials, especially the older three. They all are either not that good, already have similar counterparts, or a combination of both. As well as Tenta Missiles, which is broken.
i think it was easy to include them since they had to have the assets in the game already for returning boss salmonids. drizzlers can send ink storms and flyfish can send missiles (and fly using an inkjet exhaust) so they figured why not slap those onto the multiplayer kits
why does splatoon 3 look like a game on fast mode or low graphics mode
Could anybody explain the word (meta) to me?
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I don’t like the tacticooler, because your teammates need to go to it to get anything out of it, and that lets the enemy team know where you are and they could maybe camp it and get free kills. Therefor I only think it would be good in modes like tower control and splat zones where your team is always close together, and otherwise maybe help 2 people on average. I’d say low a or high b
clear the area first or dont place the cooler in enemy area
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Am i the only one that like the tenta Missiles? 😐
Splatoon Players making tier lists before the game is even out 😻
No, they won’t
Wadsm content!!!
Honestly, Can you guys stop with "is splatoon 3 gonna be garbage if....", that is just killing the hype
Hype is cringe. Analysis of the available information to try and determine if the game will be worthwhile is much more important.
Why do you dislike the tenta missile?
It can be spammed and it moves the enemy team around to much. It's not a fun special to go against and encourages unhealthy playstlye.
@@Rebelwlf93 don't almost every game has a spammy character or weapon.
@@mr.maxwell4955 yes but it can be fixed or removed
@@mr.maxwell4955 also just because other games have it doesn't mean splatoon should
@@Rebelwlf93 was ness ever fixed or removed
You really know a lot about the game
Furret 😔
How tenta missles can break the game bc it has been in splatoon 2 and they suck
Video is ok, tier list is garbage
Tbh I don't care it's splatoon not everyone is going use these specials professional nor will they ruin things
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I don’t like the tacticooler, because your teammates need to go to it to get anything out of it, and that lets the enemy team know where you are and they could maybe camp it and get free kills. Therefor I only think it would be good in modes like tower control and splat zones where your team is always close together, and otherwise maybe help 2 people on average. I’d say low a or high b.
It’s not a special you just throw out, like tenta missiles or storm. You’re meant to use it once your team’s grouped up for a push for a mobility advantage. It also makes the rainmaker holder faster and speeds up respawn, so I think it’s pretty good
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