RECAP of World Figure Skating Championships 2024 |
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- Опубліковано 5 сер 2024
- We recap the earth shattering action from World Figure Skating Championships 2024 in Montreal, including Ilia Malinin’s historic 6-Quad winning free skate, the 3-peat gold for Kaori Sakamoto, and Canada’s own Stellato-Dudek & Deschamps finally ascending to the Pairs throne.
Chapters
0:00 Intro
1:02 Men's Competition
27:51 Pairs Competition
42:18 Women's Competition
1:05:28 Ice Dance Competition
1:24:53 Gold in Our Hearts
1:27:22 Final Thoughts
1:29:28 Wrap-Up
The 2024 World Figure Skating Championships in Montreal gave us several moments we expected, others we wished for, and whole lot we never could have predicted. Most of all, it gave us countless extraordinary skating moments we won’t soon forget.
Men’s Competition
The formal coronation of the Quad God, Ilia Malinin, as the biggest rockstar in men’s figure skating happened here-with a program that literally had us screaming in our living room in disbelief.
In the silver slot, the utterly brilliant Yuma Kagiyama skated in a way that would have won him any other title on any other night.
In third, with the biggest comeback ever seen in ISU competition, was Adam Siao Him Fa from France. As if jumping from 19th to 3rd with an incredibly powerful free skate wasn’t enough, he was second in the free program only to Ilia - and did that while also including an illegal backflip that cost his 2 points.
Pairs Competition
All season long, we’ve been watching Deanna Stellato-Dudek & Maxime Deschamps look like they were ready to take that step into being World Champions - but a few moments during the season had us worried the title may not happen this year. Our worries were wasted, thankfully, as Deanna and Maxime put down two dazzling programs that led to their history-making win on home soil in Canada.
Riku Muira & Ryuchi Kihara came to Montreal with a lot of question marks. With a win in the free skate and a silver medal overall, they silenced all of those who doubted them and shined like the champions they are.
Taking the bronze medal were the surprise pair of the season, Germany’s Minerva Fabienne Hase & Nikita Volodin.
Women’s Competition
Kaori Sakamoto proved again why she’s in a league of her own right now in the women’s division, coming back from a 4th place finish in the short program to win her third gold medal.
Taking a bit of a surprise silver, Isabeau Levito came back from a rough US Nationals to skate two exceptional programs and earn her first World medal.
In third for the bronze was Chaeyeon Kim from South Korea - who skated a near flawless free skate to move up from 6th to 3rd.
Ice Dance Competition
Madison Chock & Evan Bates decimated the rhythm dance, earning a sizable lead that they needed after a small mistake in the free dance-which was still absolutely gorgeous and enough to earn them their second world title.
The silver went to the hometown heroes, Canda’s Piper Gilles & Paul Poirier, who won the free dance with the best performance of their Wuthering Heights program of the season.
In the bronze position was Italy’s Charlene Guignard & Marco Fabbri, who turned in two extraordinary performances that may have been the most technically sound of the event.
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Ilia eyes when he step in ice 😮, I was like “the boy is rock, he was so armored. How he did get such powerful mentality with 19 years old? He was watching Yuma to find out the score he needed, he changed his jumps to go as high as possible, this boy is unbelievable.
He was as "in the zone" as we've ever seen anyone skate.
As an Adam fan, I watched as it was happening live, every jump, and then the backflip. When I watched Shoma, then he fall twice. I was floored when I realized he got a medal. I loved Yuma's skate, especially where he started the year. I watched the entire thing live and couldn't be happier that I saw it
Adam was gold in my heart especially after ovation he got when he came to get his Bronze medal I know the true fans were able to stay and watch him stay in first until almost very end.
We were kicking ourselves so hard when we realized we'd missed Adam's skate live. Even watching it in replay, knowing he'd take the bronze, we were astonished with how powerful it was. This whole event was so exciting (and we're still kind of exhausted in the aftermath)!
Deanna and Max had the moment of the season for me. I was sobbing because that win was not only a reflection of their athletic craft. It was a symbol to women everywhere that we are capable of so much more than society tries to make us believe they are. Ilia was on FIRE! Isabeau showed so much mental strength here. I have loved Chock and Bates RD for the past few years but their free dances recently seem to highlight their lack of speed and power. I hope they pivot to a new direction that is better suited to their strengths next season.
Totally agree on Deanna & Max. She is an ICON, and we hope her success paves the way for more veteran/older skaters. But, also, how rock solid was Max here?? Talk about the calm in the storm.
I (Adron) think C/B have worked to create highly complicated, inventive free dances that lean hard into modern dance sensibilities. I love that stylistically, but it does come at the cost of losing some of the simple beauty and dramatic moments other teams capture. Ice Dance just leaves zero room for flaws (it's wild that the other disciplines, with insane lifts and jumps, are far more forgiving). That FD was far better earlier in the season, but I still really like it.
@@scoreography I do love that Chock and Bates are committed to bringing fresh ideas. They invest so much in their themes from new lifts and positions and world class costumes from Maddi. But I also think these next few years could likely be their last and I want to see them end with absolutely iconic programs that we'll still be talking about years from now!
@@LoLovesLife In our season wrap-up, we'll talk a bit about what we think C/B should or might do next. (And, considering I'm one of the most enthusiastic C/B fans, what we say might be surprising...)
@@scoreography Looking forward to your thoughts!
So many stand-out 'moments' this year, up and down the fields. Some that stood out for me:
Josefin Tallegard's short programme displaying her amazing performance skills and bringing the whole stadium to its feet;
Piper and Paul winning the Free with a jaw-droppingly beautiful performance - time stood still for 4 minutes;
Hannah and Ye's 'Umbrella's' programme - that choreo hydro move at the end of the programme had me gasping. They've truly arrived!
Overall, a wonderful Worlds! Can't wait for next season to begin.
Great recap - I really appreciate your engaging, meticulous, generous, enthusiastic and always fair commentary.
SO glad you mentioned Josefin! She is a real performer - would pay to watch her. Wuthering Heights - Piper was luminescent! And yes, the Umbrellas program and of course Deanna and Max and also Adam 19th to 3rd!
Josefin performed beautifully! She's a very special skater. While not ranked high, she outperformed several other notable skaters at this competition and won the crowd's adoration. Certainly a victory in of itself, and she should be immensely proud.
Hannah and Ye are EVERYTHING. We're sad not to get more performances of these lovely programs. But we can only imagine they're going to get better and better.
Thanks for your podcast, your balanced discussion and time stamps so we can easily navigate to what we want to hear. You demonstrate respect for your listeners!
Thank you, we always want to deliver the best show for all of you!
Excellent recap and commentary. Thank you! It was fun to relive this amazing, incredible, sparkling competition with you.
So glad you enjoyed it! We're still coming down from the high of Worlds. What an amazing event.
A few "fact checks" because I'm a skating nerd: Nathan placed 17th in the short program at the Pyeongchang Olympics, and first in the free, to place 5th overall. Amber Glenn placed 11th in the short program at the Grand Prix of Espoo, was second in the free, and won the bronze medal.
Thank you! We were dizzy with information and stats from this worlds, we knew we weren't recalling those previous events quite accurately.
Adam's redemption was the highlight of the championship. I was so sad after his short program; I even had a hard time sleeping that night. I was crushed for him. It's easy for me to relate because I have anxiety, and it can really change the way I react in this kind of situation. On Saturday, I watched the first group alone, and when I saw him step on the ice, I started to cry! I just wanted him to overcome his stress and show everyone how talented he is. I was completely in tears before the end of the program, and I KNEW he was going to do the backflip. So happy for him that he medaled, but most importantly, he got to skate how he loves.
Adam's redemption at Worlds could be its own movie. Staggering lows, nearly unbelievable highs. Just extraordinary! (And we're here with you in the anxiety club 😭)
Chae-yeon kim was my favourite in the women's. Best jumping technique. Always skates to interesting music. Hana Yoshida is very creative too. Men were the best . Ilia is phenomenal. That music was perfect for him . For such a massively technical program ,he had some really nice choreographical nuances to the music and transitions. He is an exceptional spinner too. His gala performance was refreshing and brilliant. He is what this sport needs. Him and Adam so exciting to watch. Ha-ein lee SP was absolutely stunning she is the step sequence queen. Piper and Paul had the most creative and fully immersive free dance. They are the ultimate storytellers. Love the Italian's and the younger french team. Beautiful modern Clair de Lune. Isabeau very pretty skater , nice transitions and beautiful presentation.
Chaeyeon was outstanding. And agreed on Ilia's gala performance, it was so different and modern, and tailor made for a younger (and online) audience.
I felt that Ilia's gala performance was authentic to him, and that makes a huge difference, would make a huge difference in his artistry for a long program.
@L.Spencer I absolutely agree. 💯
My go to figure skating podcast! I love the support you have for the skaters.
The skaters bring us so much joy as fans, we're happy to do our part to celebrate them!
With TSL going to patreon, you guys might be the main recap show
We have a very different vibe, but we'll happily welcome new listeners! We hope that works out for TSL, both personally and monetarily. It's hard to get a large portion of an audience to follow you to a paid platform. But they've put in the work for a long time.
@@scoreography I'm definitely going to miss their show!
I think it's already established wisdom that Ilia Malinin is the greatest jumper in the history of figure skating. It's not simply that he does the jumps but he makes them look simple. One skating commentator said he makes quads look like triples. My observation is that he looks as comfortable in the air as he is on the ice. It's only a few years since we left the age of Hanyu when it comes to skating competition. There were two brief interludes where neither Nathan Chen nor Shoma Uno could command the attention that Yuzuru Hanyu commanded when he was competing, even after he started losing major competitions to Nathan Yuzu remained the one who set the standards, who defined what great skating is. We are now entering the age of Malinin and I think he has both the ability and (just as important) the charisma to define the era, Right now it looks like we'll be charting the campaign that will take Ilia to Milan two years from now and if you are thinking this might all be hype, one question I'll ask to make my point; When was the last time (if ever) that a skater entering senior level competition medaled in every competition in which he skated with the overwhelming number of them being gold? Ilia did this and yet, you can see this in his interviews, he is in awe of what he has accomplished and determined to take things further. This is precisely the mindset Yuzu had in his early years of skating. He always bowed to his coach in the kiss and cry, letting the world know his was a joint accomplishment. Ilia, however, has a different relationship to his coaches as they are also his parents. I think that both of them were experienced skaters back in the 90s will enable him to avoid the pitfalls other skaters might succumb to. His parents are there to act as his ego circuit-breakers.
Your point about his combination of ability and charisma is an important one. Seeing Ilia live gave us some perspective on how much power he has over an audience. And it's not just that the technical feats are so explosive and impressive - and they are! - but that, like any true performer, he amplifies and reciprocates all the energy he gets from the crowd. If he can refine that emotional feedback loop with the audience (and judges) beyond pure excitement, with increased nuance and emotional range, he'll become even more than the greatest jumper ever.
I really enjoy your insight and podcast!❤
Thank you!
We've seen some comments from our Apple Podcasts/Spotify listeners that there was a problem with this episode only playing the first 10 minutes. That issue should be fixed - if you listen on one of those audio-only platforms, you might need to refresh the episode to get it to download the full file. Sorry for the issue!
After Ilia's 6 quads were done and not a bobble at any of them his last jumping pass was a triple lutz and triple axle. That alone for another skater would be a score builder but for him it was nothing as he already blew the competition away.
That was amazing! I've never seen that.
When he hit that 3lz+3a I couldn't stay seated anymore. I was literally on my feet and hollering in excitement!
@L.Spencer It was crazy, like 6 quads weren't enough, he just chucks out a nigh impossible combo as a finishing move? Unreal.
@@scoreographyу меня слезы были на глазах, это было невероятно, он сам наверно не верил, что сделает это, отец точно не мог поверить
@@user-yy7yq8lj1z Seeing him as overwhelmed with emotion as the audience, that was a special moment!
Thank you for all your wonderful coverage this season!! I look forward to another Q&A :) I have more bunker-type questions locked and loaded lol
😆 We might do another one in the off-season, and/or some very topical episodes we'll need some listener questions for. So keep that bunker stocked and ready! (and it's hilarious to us how your "bunker" terminology has entered our off-air conversation; after several programs we immediately said "oh, that's going in the bunker")
As always, I loved this episode and let's hope for some more Shoma indeed! Just to make Stephane and all of us happy!!!
We'd love to see Shoma do more programs like his gala performance. That was incredible!
Unfortunately I watched the gala just last night (so many interesting performances to see, but not so much time to do it!) and you're right! It was great to see Shoma skate this rock music with all of his self, like someone who was deeply enjoying it.
And this gala made me realise how much I miss Keegan too...
@@giuliacleti5950 Any chance to see Keegan is a gift. His joy and energy is sorely missed this season.
I just finished watching the gala, some interesting programs there! I'll have to watch this tomorrow, I guess.
The gala was a lot of fun. We thought Shoma "won" the gala - he was incredible - but those performances from Yuma, Hana, Deanna & Max, and Adam were all highlights!
Mens skating is still where it’s at!
They really were thrilling at this event!
A couple of observations/corrections.
Re: Korean men, the two men besides Junhwan Cha actually had a reasonably good showing. For Hyungyeom Kim, who competed on the junior circuit this year, to make the free at his first Worlds and end up as the 2nd ranked Korean man was a great achievement. Sihyeong Lee is more experienced, but he can be inconsistent, so making the free for him was good. Korea will have 2 spots at the next Worlds, in line with expectations.
Re: Alexander Selevko: unfortunately, he needed to be in the 10 to qualify the second spot for Estonia. It was a bummer that he did not achieve that. Still, the score at Worlds was 2nd best in his entire career, and the 11th place he got was the highest placement for an Estonian man ever. So Alexander has something to be proud of. His placement in the top 12 also guarantees him 2 spots on the Grand Prix next year. If he continues to be consistent, his rankings and PCS marks will rise.
Yes, we acknowledged to another commenter that our remarks about the other two Korean men weren't about their performances, just rankings. And with Alexandr, we forgot that if you only have one entry that you need to be in Top 10 to earn 2 spots. This system for earning next year's spots sucks and is something this sport needs to change.
@@scoreography I was thinking maybe it should be based on merit or scores rather than countries.
@@L.Spencer Our main issue is the previous season deciding on spots for the next. This carryover between seasons is super weird in sports, where most* competitive seasons start with a clean slate. The slots for worlds should be determined in-season, by the results of who is _actively_ competing - not based on previous seasons results, from skaters who might no longer be competing, or whose underperformance determines the fate/opportunities of others in the current season.
Re: not by country - It is unfortunate that there are terrific skaters at a higher competitive level/success rate that get shut out of Worlds, while less-capable skaters from other countries get the opportunity. (Thinking of, say, Shun Sato or Sota Yamamoto, here.) The problem of not limiting entries from a particular country would be having a single nation's team flood the Worlds comp in a single discipline - like Japan could do now in Mens, or Russian could have done in Womens (particularly before the age requirement shift). Few things could kill international interest in the sport faster than one country dominating a championship comp with 6-9 representatives and sweeping podiums almost by default.
*"most" could be an exaggeration, we obviously don't follow every sport out there. But, being US centric, it would be like baseball determining what teams got into the playoffs based on their previous year's performance. Who would want that?
Hi guys, I just listened this episode in Apple Podcasts but I think there is an error there because it stops around only 10 minutes and I’ve redownloaded it multiple times but it’s still the same. Maybe you can check it out if there any corrupted file in your audio version for podcast. Thank you.
Same thing happens on Spotify.
Thank you for telling us - it should be fixed now! (You may need to redownload).
When I uploaded this last night, our podcast platform errored during the upload process. It initially pushed a 10 minute version to UA-cam as well. I was scrambling after midnight to create a video version from scratch and do a manual upload here. But at that point the audio-only podcast version hadn't appeared on Apple/Spotify yet, and it showed the full length on our website. So I went to bed at 2am thinking it had worked. 😅😭 *shakes fist at technology*
@@stephaniegunst9870 It should be fixed there now, too. You may have to redownload it to force Spotify to pull the updated file.
@@scoreography thank you so much, i think it works properly now. You did great as always 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
@@AH86ac Yay!
I think Lim and Quan had the best free skate of the year. Can’t wait to watch them for years to come!
That free dance is like getting an entire movie in 4 minutes. A total gem. They're definitely our "team of the future"!
Technically Ilia deserved every point but 90 PCS no sorry overscored to Jupiter! ISU are you telling me that Ilia's PCS was close to Yuma's, and Shoma's no sorry.
We suppose the argument could be made that the PCS reflects the sheer perfection of execution and excitement in that FS. But, no argument with you here, Yuma, Shoma, and Adam's performances were FAR more dynamic.
@@scoreography yes, I think his thecnical score could've been even higher his quads deserves every point and more but 90 PCS nah that was a punch in the stomach
I agree, but what if he didn't get the pcs scores and didn't win. That wouldn't really make sense. Or would it actually be more accurate?
@@L.Spencerit doesn't matter if he would be first or second the judges have to be critical and give fair and correct scores, they can't be biased other wise the scores would all be rigged, if he were to loose with a fair PCS then that's what should happened, good luck next season work more on the artistic side of your program and on your skating skills and not just on the jumps. But he would've won even with the correct PCS something in the house on 70, so the inflation of his PCS really sounded like a punch on the guts and an insults to the skaters of the likings of Adam, Yuma and Shoma that have impeccable skating skills and a lot of finesse on their performances.
No way. Ilia’s skate was so far superior to everyone else. There was no comparison. Also his quad axel is way underscored.
Thankyou so much really enjoy listening .I would love to hear your views of the top 3 in ID if you think they will retire or continue. I too am very excited about LL they are so talented.Your voices are like butter I wonder what you look like 😁
Sorry we didn't see this comment for two weeks! 😳 We did speculate on the future of the ID teams in our season review episode.
Re: voices/faces 😅🤣 - We need to update the photos on our website, those headshots are kinda old. But this is us fairly recently: instagram.com/p/C1ibq-buGd9/
At the 2018 Olympics, Nathan Chen was in 17th place after the short program, with his rocky performance, similar to his uncharacteristic outing in the sp for the Olympic team competition. Nathan came back from 17th in the men's sp to first in the free skate. But it was only good enough for 5th place (I thought Nathan should have been in third or at least 4th overall, but the judges ruled differently). In his free skate, Nathan landed 5 quads cleanly, and historically, he attempted a 6th quad, but it was not cleanly landed.
To he honest it’s little sad that you mention Hannah and Ye for their incredible accomplishments (which they most certainly are), but say nothing about the Mrazkovi siblings which are as well first year in seniors, they placed before the Koreans and are getting even more incredible scores for their age as. They’re also a lot younger than the Koreans and to be honest the term “baby goats” especially on twitter is mainly used for them. They’ve been in ice dance for only 4 years and they are already junior world champions and placed 11th in the free dance here at the world championships so that’s even bigger accomplishment than the Koreans have. I would just think that if you’re admiring Koreans for their young age and talent you should at least mention the Czechs as well
Also they are already highly compared to papadakis and cizeron (especially because p/c placed 13th at their debut worlds as well) for their skating style. So at least mentioning them would be nice.
In an event with this many competitors and terrific performances, it was inevitable we'd miss a few of people's favorites. Mrazkova & Mrazek are a terrific team, and we also love Taschlerova & Taschler but didn't touch on them either. (We talked about both in our preview episode, though.) The choice to include Lim & Quan just comes from us being huge fans of theirs; they're the team that has us the most excited for the future of ice dance. Sorry we missed M/M, but hopefully we'll have plenty of chances to talk about them next season.
That was one team that really stood out to me, too! (Especially since I could compare the Swan Lake program to the Georgians' program.) I thought they were so elegant and innovative, especially that first lift or spin. Can't wait to see more of them next season.
@@scoreography I think Hannah and Ye are impossible to not include lol! Apparently they got the 1st standing ovation of the free dance!
@@emilymcmahon2670 I don't remember if they were the first, but they definitely had that crowd lit!
I love Jason Brown and I am excited to see that he finished fifth in the world, again. I think that Jason will continue through the Olympic season and make the Olympic team . He probably will also be picked for the team event in 2026. I say this because USA. figure skating needs Jason for three spots for 2025 and the Olympic season. I also feel that since Jason is helping the USA, the least that they can do is put him on the 2026 Olympic team and put him in the team event.
We think Jason has a spot as long as he's healthy and wants it. A top 5 finish here again pretty much cements that.
Do you think that Deanna and Max will retire or compete through the Olympic season? I hope that they continue. I am happy that the USA kept at least 2 spots for Worlds in Boston for Pairs. However, I have no idea which two USA pairs will raise to the occasion. I was unimpressed with our three pairs teams, sorry.
We expect Deanna and Max have their eyes on the Olympics. As for our USA pairs teams, it wasn't a strong showing. Expecting some shake ups during the off season. With Chelsea Liu announcing her split from Balázs Nagy, that process has already begun. Which has a lot of us wondering what's next for Audrey Shin...
Really enjoyed this episode. New fan here. I DO call bullshit on the Japanese reaction after the Free Skate. Friends who were backstage said that the story fed to the public didn't align with the activity backstage. I hope SHE can understand why people resented HER reactions, she can fix this, and we can celebrate them again the way we did last season. Left a bad taste in MANY people's mouths.
If you’re talking about RM, we took her reaction in the kiss and cry as frustration with herself for missing a jump. (She’s sort of famously hard on herself.) We don’t know any more about what happened after backstage than the public story. We’ve seen some speculation, but no firsthand accounts. Thanks for listening, glad to have you with us!
I love Christina and Anthony.
They were just gorgeous here.
Ilia Malin is awesome. Great job for Isabeau😊 Yes, Amber helped get three spots for Worlds in Boston however, she needs to get into a better head space or she will not make the Olympic Team. She might need to change coaches.
Will be very curious how Amber proceeds. She knows her stumbling block is entirely mental.
Well, I saw everything!! I told you to expect the unexpected and I expect the Americans to medal!!! We received Three medals: two golds and one silver and placed in the top 10 except for pairs who ended after the top 10 but after 10th: I said that I never counted out the Canadians! I was right with 1st Canadian pair, but wrong for 2nd place and 3rd place: but I did mention Germany placed, and 2nd place Japan in pairs: I knew Ilia Mallanin would win, Japan 2nd and 3rd France so I was right there!!!! Yuma knew that he won like he did in 4 Continents Championships and gave an impressive short program and free program but I didn't agree with the score for short program nor short program for either Uno nor Ilia Mallanin or Jason Brown nor the Israel skater or others who skated a flawless program; Uno ended in fourth place and Jason Brown is a veteran and performed consistently without quads and I expect Jason Brown to be in the top 10!!!! Denis, Jason and The Israel skater skated without quads and their technical skills blended with the composition skills; Ice Dance Skaters, I was right on that too: 1st United States of America 2nd Canadian 3rd Italian; all the veterans, and I am glad that the American team ended in the top 10: unfortunately, American ice dance skaters had fallen and could not execute their free program; and for the women: I was only right with the American in 2nd place, but I thought 🤔 that Belgium and Korean skaters would be on the podium, but I was impressed with Kario S of Japan from 4th place to 1st and that was outstanding, but upset was Leona H. and Lee's performance in the free program that took them out of the podium and at least Amber Glenn ended up in the top 10 over all; but I was hoping that Camden Pulkenin would have ended up in the top 10 but unfortunately his inconsistency affected him and put too many points on the ice and ended in 20th place in the free program, and thank you for sharing your podcast and insight!!! Boston, USA is next for Worlds!!! I love Karol for her sportsmanship when she gave Isabeau Levito her American flag and I admire Uno Shoma for his sportsmanship like Jason Brown!!!! ❤❤❤😊😊😊
It was a great event for the Americans! Like you said, disappointing results for Camden and our pairs teams, but a great medal count. And those performances from Ilia and Isabeau will be legendary. We were definitely bummed about Loena and Haein's free skates. They're both so talented and unique. Hoping they both come back strong next season.
Deanna and Max, Ilia, and Kaori ALL deserved to win. Madison and Evan were sloppy, boring, lethargic, uninspiring. Dance: Piper and Paul GOLD, Marjorie and Zach SILVER, Charlene and Marco BRONZE. At best Madison and Evan 5th or 6th. Reminds me of the time when the USFSA bought off Marina Zueva to give Meryl and Charlie a better program in 2014.
I agree about Chock and Bates. So tired of them. I wish they would retire.
While we don't agree with your assessment of Chock & Bates, their free dance here was certainly not the best of the field. But we also wouldn't have given gold to Piper & Paul, simply because their rhythm dance is not at all compelling and, to our eyes, shouldn't have placed as high in the RD. We wouldn't have been mad at all to see Marjorie and Zach win gold over everyone, with back-to-back incredible performances.
Ice dance can be a bit boring because the results are predictable if you've been watching all season. In the other disciplines there's room for upsets and comebacks. So it's really on the dance teams to start with gorgeous programs and maybe spice things up throughout the season with new lifts, slides, choreo steps, idk. And I think the ice dance really has to grab attention in the gala. Madi and Evans gala was sleepy.
@@maytc2011 The predictable outcomes of Ice Dance are frustrating, and a big hurdle for building a larger fan base. That aspect of the sport really needs to be overhauled.
@@scoreography I agree and the whole "wait your turn" mentality doesn't help either. To me it seems like it favors those with economic support to outlast the others.
Adam was amazing, but Shoma's failed free skate is a big reason why Adam got the bronze. I figured Adam would be in 4th after the event if the top three skated well. I was thrilled to see Adam win the bronze, coming from so far back. I had been hoping Adam would win before the event. But with tough competition, placements are always unpredictable. Shoma is hard to read, but it doesn't seem like he's personally motivated to come back and give it his all for himself. As Shoma has said, he's motivated by his coach's belief in him, not so much fierce personal ambition. It is a question, too, how much Japan fed wants Shoma to come back with all the great men they have eager to compete at the majors. It's a given that ISU judges have always loved Shoma, even with mistakes. But he had too many mistakes in the fp vs Adam's brilliant free skate. Kao Miura put too much pressure on himself. I enjoy Shun Sato better than Miura. IMO, Miura is constantly overscored on PCS. I think Alexander Selevko should have been given higher PCS to at least make 10th over messy Miura and/ or subpar Jun Hwan Cha. Selevko needed a 10th placement to gain two spots for Estonia! 😢 Placing 11th overall, Selevko will NOT be joined by his brother next year, guys.
We agree that Selevko should have been top 10. Kao does put too much pressure on himself, and he was far too messy for his final placement at Worlds. (Even though we're fans of him, in general.)
Interested in hearing your opinion on Ilia's lack of fashion sense at the banquet.
Oh, we think he has a definite sense of style. It's just a very 19-year old "I want to be a rockstar" style that's perhaps a bit cringey, but on point for the TikTok generation. But, also, that banquet was packed to the rafters with obnoxiously gorgeous people ready to cut loose and party. Our guy looked like he was ready to prowl the club...
"Prowl the club"...that sound really creepy...sorry. After his hateful comments to the LGBTQ+ community last year, maybe he was trying to send a peace (piece) offering to the community.@@scoreography
What banquet was that? Did you watch it?
There are photos posted from the ISU World Championship Banquet where Ilia is wearing a mesh see threw Goth Gay Club number!@@L.Spencer
@@donnyslader9025 I feel like he took some fashion cues from Guillaume Cizeron with that outfit. Though anyone is gonna be hard-pressed to pull off a look like Guillaume does.
NBC's video of Ilia's freeskate has 1.8 million views! Edit almost 2.7 million views now
We love a good viral moment! He just might earn that ISU Awards MVP after all!
@@scoreography It's been taken down! 😭
Ilia Malinin is the son of Tatiana Malininia and Roman Skornyakov, two Russians.
Yes, and?
@@scoreography And nothimg. I just wanted to mention it, as only few people know that. Do you have a problem with that?! 😟😕
@@SilkeRo Of course we don't have a problem with it. Just seems like very common knowledge amongst skating fans. It gets talked about on broadcasts all the time, along with the fact that they are also his coaches, and are developing several other strong athletes like Sarah Everhardt. I just didn't know if you were trying to make some other point about his background.
@@scoreography I posted the same comment also on a Russian site here on YT. It was liked there multiple times without any ... comments back to me, instead
❤️s were given as a response. By the way, I don't live in the USA, but in Europe, where such information about Ilia is not being 'broadcasted all the time'.
I am wishing you a Happy Easter.
@@SilkeRo Ah, didn't know the European commentators don't mention it. The ISU and US commentators frequently talk about Ilia's parents' own successful skating careers and background. They often comment that while Roman travels with Ilia, Tatiana gets too nervous watching him compete so she always stays home. Happy Easter!
Thanks for another excellent episode! I personally do not like Adam's backflip, as it is not as good as Keegan's haha! But here it is justified to celebrate his great comeback. Riku didn't look happy when she saw their scores. I don't know if it's because she is disappointed at herself or expecting gold. I am super disappointed by IAM. They acted like business usual supporting an alleged rapist. It's quite against their advertised "beliefs". How do you feel about the programs this year in general and the direction the sport is going?
Keegan's backflip really is the best in the business!
Riku always takes any mistake really hard, probably in part because Ryu so rarely makes any. But I will take her frustrated look here over her sobbing uncontrollably last year, which almost broke our hearts.
RE: IAM - Full disclosure, we skipped both of FB/S's programs, so we've only seen the kiss 'n cry stuff in social posts. We didn't feel comfortable watching them, nor covering them. It seems like the head coaches there sent a pretty strong message that they believe and support Nik, even if they haven't made any "official" statements to that fact. We understand wanting to stand by someone that you know well and care about. But with those kinds of severe allegations hovering, "business as usual" seems like an impossibly incorrect choice.
@@scoreographyAppreciate your thoughtful response! I am wondering if you get a chance to watch gala. Georgian pair's is something else (beyond what my brain can comprehend lol). Ilia surprised me the most! He was very into the music, and I hope he can incorporate that passion into his normal programs :)
P.S. Loena and Nam can't worm
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@@pandachels5952 We did watch the gala, a lot of which was great, though we skipped through a couple of the programs we've seen a lot. The Georgian team's exhibition is definitely...a choice. On one hand, it shows a big sense of humor from a team that can feel very self-serious. But it's also a bit uncomfortable. (Luka can't worm either, he did push-ups during Lukas's group number, but looked like he was having a great time.)
I am happy that Chock and Bates won the Gold medal again. I wonder if they are ready to retire. Both of them play coy about competing in 2026. I think some of the USA Dance Teams are ready and willing to take the top spot whe Chock and Bates retire. I thought that Zach and Marjorie were better than Madison and Evan.
We'll be talking about this in our season's wrap up episode next week.
I heard Pate/Bye might retire too?
@@maytc2011 Oh no, we haven't seen anything about that. That would be a shame.
@@scoreography ok went back to my source. they said in a podcast they don't plan on competing after 2026. but the speculation is that if they don't get high enough scores for Olympic team they might retire sooner. Plus in the recent Skating magazine they said that the finances were very tough for them and wished they could get more support.
@@maytc2011 We could definitely see competitors who feel they might fall short of making the Olympics re-evaluating whether another couple years of hard work (and potentially financial hardship) are worth it. The US Ice Dance field is deep and talented. And with Neset and Markelov on the senior horizon, Pate and Bye might feel like they're getting left behind.
It's really a shame how much our skaters struggle to get funding. Though there's also something to be said for not being completely financially owned by your fed/government...
I hope Nina is ok. She needs to have her blood checked.
We definitely hope-and expect-that Nina has gotten examined and is getting good care. That girl is an absolute fighter, but the nosebleed situation was concerning.
I like Adam but, he does need to stop doing the backflips. They are illegal and he could get hurt Moreover, one day if Adam does a backflip, it will cost him a medal.
All the skaters swear the backflip is no more dangerous or difficult than the regular jumps. But, yes, he needs to be cautious how he uses it. It very well could have cost him a medal here.
I don't care to see backflips in competition, they're just not interesting to me.
It looks like he puts two long gashes in the ice when he lands, which could cause a big problem for the skaters that follow. I don't think it's that much more dangerous than other skating maneuvers, but it's the disrespect that bothers me. And when he used to do it in the midst of flower girls...horrifying! I think the ISU should raise the deduction to 10 points, inclusive of post-performance, too. That would put a stop to it.
@@christinethorp3684 The damage to the ice is worthwhile consideration (though there are several other maneuvers, even some vary basic ones, that I wonder might leave some pretty big ruts). And flipping while the sweepers are on the ice is very dangerous. Agreed that -2 for a banned element probably isn't enough if they truly want to deter it. But we've also seen ice dance teams get dinged with -2 deductions for practically invisible restricted elements, so a larger deduction isn't something we'd want to see applied universally.
We don't really see it as disrespect, though. Most sports experience people who push the boundaries and the rules, and the successful ones often change the sport in their wake. Gymnastics, being the sport we see having the biggest parallels to skating, is in a constant tug of war between what its athletes are capable of, and what the governing body wants to allow, score properly, or forbid. And most of these organizations won't evolve unless someone forces them to.
podcast sucks .. have zero idea what you are talking about with no event to have watched.