The Ups and Downs of MULTISCALE Guitars | GEAR GODS
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Trying to decide if getting a multiscale guitar is right for you? Today we take a look at the pros and cons of multiscale guitars!
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Trey what pickups were in that X type 8 string in ordering one right now and want to get the ones you’re using here. Also been considering trading in my 6505+ for an ENGL savage 120 mkii so thanks for playing my favorite dream gear hahah it’s for space death metal
Any chances of a video volume matching course you can take? 😂 Just teasing man.
The guitar is like 1 million times louder than your voice...
ikr. it got super annoying when I tried watching the video in the morning
@@IceGene Cursing exactly the same thing here. In the morning. Super annoying.
I'm watching it late at night and don't wanna wake anyone up. Turn it up just enough to hear his voice and suddenly DJ0NT
Amazing how good people are at editing UA-cam videos and then become Helen Keller when it comes to the "normalize audio" feature
Lol
1:11 The Advantages of Multiscale
6:39 The Challenges of Multiscale
Gotta be honest, think my favourite part of this video - aside from the sheer informative nature of a type of guitar I’d previously completely overlooked - was referring to them as “upsides and challenges”, rather than “pros and cons”. Feels a lot more fair, and open-minded than the typical stuff I tend to see, insofar as folks going on about what is great and what is trash about a certain something. Love the positivity!
Thanks, I just make sure to try to look at things objectively if I can, and when you do that, you can see a lot of things as just either personal preference choices or stylistic differences, then you just have to present them as such - makes it a lot easier to be happy.
Easiest way that I got over adjusting to fan frets is to not look at it.
This is good advice
@@treyxaviermusic Most people I have given my multiscales to didnt immediately notice there was anything different, even after playing for a few minutes until I pointed it out. On both my old ormsby 7 and osiris 6.
Yea, same here
Randy Bergh 😅
diabloman I’m looking for a new guitar. I’m coming from a normal non-fanned fret guitar. The fanned fret design has always caught my eye. Would you recommend a Keisel or ormsby for my first fanned fret?
57 yr old Boomer here and I love my Kiesel OM8 with Fishmans. One thing that was initially difficult for me was Flamenco style riffing on the open Am chord shape with the angle of the first fret. I got used to it eventually, but it took a few weeks because I had to also play a regular 6 string for a band and couldn't play the multi-scale exclusively. The best way to get used to an axe like this is to play it exclusively for a few weeks. Then you'll love it.
Boomer is more a state of mind IMO. I know some people in their 30s that are Boomers :P
You crazy millennials with your crazy fanned fret guitars. Back in my day we could only have Sears and Roebuck parlor guitars with cable strings and your fingers bled every time we played. Back then we had calluses on our fingers and tendinitis in our wrists and we loved it and we played outside in the snow and freezing rain.
Ok boomer
Haha
Ppl say the same shit about pedals, and at one time even electrics.
****WHOOOSH****
we ate ergot in-the-raw,
screaming to the skies
we drank moonshine (akak 'liquid courage') as we were skateboarding in dirty dried-up swimming pools with no helmet
because helmets hadn't even been thought of
while chain-smoking cloves all night.
now y'all hook-up on molly while goin' OONTZ OONTZ on your lil' iPods and u act it's like "oh-oh- Oohh! this is the best EVAR hur-dee-dur!!!' and shit.
lulz.
I'm listening on headphones and I have to keep adjusting my volume because the difference in volume between your guitar playing and your speaking is so vast.
His iq lower than 3 or who did the editing which is not important
One of the best explanations I've seen or read of multiscale guitars, their pros and their cons.
Came looking for answers, got way more. Straight to the point, no BS. Perfect video dude
Trey, you're upping the game on these vids. Thank you for the content buddy.
I appreciate that my dude
I gots me a multiscale ibby. Easy to play, took no time to adjust to.
Which model, an RG?(asking bc they have thousands of models)
@@aymericmarchand3472 RGIM7MH, got it used for 450. Wanted to try out a MS for cheap. I dont like how they did the nut but it plays fine. the fans arent crazy angled so its was an easy adjustment. I have a couple KM7s and solars which I LOVE that I mainly play so it doesnt get much attention.
This is a really great vid on multi-scale guitars. I am a bass player however I wanted to learn more about how multi-scale and fanned-fret systems work. Very in-depth. Thank you for posting!
(PS: I'm a prog-boomer!)
Played a multi scale bass a couple of days ago and my god I fell in love with it straight away, I need a guitar one ASAP!
You've done a very good job of explaining the upsides and challenges (best way of putting it too) of the multiscale guitar beyond 6 strings. I'm 55 years old and have been a luthier for nearly 35 years. I applaud anyone pushing the boundaries of instrument design and daring to break with tradition. As long as it's still a stringed instrument it's all good in my opinion. If you think there are some stubborn people stuck in tradition when it comes to electric guitars, you ought to see how sensitive and argumentative people get when it comes to classical guitar design!
Have you played a multiscale guitar before? What do you think?
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ive been playing for 35 years. i started when i was 14 years old. no ive never played a fanned fret guitar before but they really look cool to me. i appreciate the offer but im pretty advanced at my scales. im just 49 years old now and lazy. im a christian guy who wants to make metal for Jesus now. im sure i will get many rude comments from many people for saying i am christian but its ok. i like the way you sing and play the guitar by the way. i enjoy your channel. peace brother.
My dream guitar can't exist yet :( - 7 string multiscale, with Evertune trem and True Temperment frets plus Fishman Killswitch Engage pickups. Apparently not possible yet - even with custom guitars.
But, tried a multiscale on a Strandberg and loved it! Just felt right. (Unfortunately their necks are too fat and had to return).
BTW - great course! Bought it a few weeks ago, and totally enlightening and helpful
I've played guitar since I was 11 (1984 or so). I got my first Kiesel Multiscale Vader 7 string a couple years ago and it took me like 5 minutes to get used to it. Most of the "getting used to" revolved around tapping since that felt a bit different. I've been hooked ever since.
@@nokomisnichols Took me no time to get used to it.
I bought a Cort 7 string with fanned frets and boy, was I surprised at how easy it was to play with those fans. Unfortunately, after playing it exclusively fir six months, I couldn't get used to the seventh string. So now I've bought a six string baryton instead, and am currently saving up for a six stringed Ormsby custom Tuxedo with fanfrets.
It seemed to me, that the angling of the frets was super ergonomic, making full chords much easier to play and off course it's easy to hear and feel the consistent tension and intonation of the guitar.
As a bassist this video Gave me and my guitars a lot to think about, thank you for this
Sick video. This entire concept flew over my head until you explained it. Thank you!
Wow man this is such a great video, thanks for the info, I was interested on knowing more
Very good job on the vid! On note on string tension at the 2 min. mark. You can also alter string tension with changing the gauge of string. Gauge + scale + open tuned note = string tension.
That kiesel looks like an explorer with 24 extra chromosomes
Wasnt there a (german?) Builder that has some really similar to that
That's a surprisingly accurate description
actually Carvin made a guitar with similar shape, my friend has one, I think?
I'm glad you described in words what I was thinking lol
Is that one of the downs of multi-scale?
I bought my first multiscale guitar having never played one previously and it took no adjustment whatsoever. I picked it up and played fine and all of my friends had the same results.
I'll keep this simple.
I own a 27" 6 string baritone and a 25.5"/27.5" 7 string multi-scale.
The multi-scale opens up more sonic possibilities. The hardest part about getting use to a multi-scale is the fret placement. Do Not Over Think It. Just close your eyes and let the journey begin...
In the process of deciding if it's something I want to explore. I'll admit, I love anything that presents a challenge. Chances are change will be sooner not later.
My first guitar is actually a multiscale 8 string.
So it was kinda weird to get used to it but after almost a year of having it I'm finally super used to it.
Thanks for this video. I've had my 7 string multiscale guitar for 1.5 days now and I totally feel the adjustment period. I figured since I've not owned a 7 string yet either I might as well go all the way and go multiscale as well. I'm at a point now where if I'm not thinking too much about it, I don't really notice any negative issues, unless I look at the neck and confuse myself. It's a weird mix of using your instincts and muscle memory but at the same time you have to be mindful because your instincts want to make the low B your "default" position as you naturally want to reach for the "top" of the neck. I don't know if that explanation makes any sense, but overall I find it "easier" to play as long as I don't overthink it. I'd say the most noticeable difference to me is the fretboard width. The fanned frets are awesome, but I'm still adjusting to the way the neck feels.
I didn't plan on buying it. I had been wanting to try one for months now and I just happened to find a shop near me that actually had a multiscale guitar in store that I could play. I immediate saw the potential but really couldn't commit at the time, but then I got a good deal as a matter of circumstances so, eh hem, [cough, cough] I HAD TO buy it. I have 11 electric guitars now. Only 9,999,999,989 or so left to acquire. You all know what I'm talking about. ;)
Haven't tried one yet but they look nice and your demo here sounds great!
I'm finding this very interesting. Nice one fella! I've just made my Ibanez guitar a Drop G beast. Still looking into fan fret and multiscale
My first multiscale was a VM8 from Kiesel (Vader 8 string multiscale). The time it took to get used to it was a couple riffs. That's all. It's not hard to adjust to.
Excellent and still completely relevant today..
been playing for 20 years and very very few people ever explain "Palm Placement" when it comes to palm muting. Imo its very crucial to getting that awesome metal tone..... Super Excellent video. New subscriber and proud Multiscale player here as well.
Thanks for this video, I’ve been on the fence.
Great vid and sound advice. I jumped from standard 7 string to a fan fret 8 string. Took very little adjustment really, but as I have tiny paws I honestly don't think I would've found the transition as easy on a standard fret board. I dropped lucky on a B Stock Harley Benton 8 String and I love it. The issue with lack of pick up options is annoying as is the apparent price jump in up grading. There are some awesome multi scale guitars out there that are simply too expensive for a single parent living in middle England!
I have played 7 string guitars for around 20 years now so the jump to my multiscale 8 wasn't very daunting and I'm glad I did. But, for someone new to extra strings I agree that you should definitely have a in depth try out before you buy. I have lost count of the amount of people who say "I bought one but sold it cos' It just wasn't working for me!"
You explained this perfectly. Thank you so so much
killer Djimi lick! I love my Ormsby multiscale Goliath 7. I moved up from a widdle baby 24" scale duo sonic and it wasn't as difficult as you might think.
1.5 inch spread. That is pretty Djentle....
I'll see myself out.
"I'll C myself out"
I see you got the StevieT burst finish on your 8-string. Looks killer on a headless guitar.
I may never be able to afford one , but it was definitely cool to hear this knowledgeable input!!
Everybody has a different price range so saying that Kiesel are surprisingly NOT expensive (appearance options can make them super expensive) may not do much for you. I own a variety of mid/high end guitars and always kind of figured Kiesels must just be super expensive due to the custom angle, but it's not really the case. If you went to Ibanez USA custom or Jackson custom you'd need a 2nd mortgage or to cough up a child. Kiesel custom isn't even remotely close to that insanity price wise.
Awesome video will you review the X series? I’m having trouble deciding on what woods to get for a 6 string. My favorite so far is my neck through maple guitar with mahogany’s sides but interested in the default they offer alder instead. How does it sit playing low on the body? Thanks man for all the killer videos you put out!
Jimi Hendrix actually used a left handed guitar for the tension advantages. So really, he would have loved multiscale
eh?
i know he bought hundreds of RH models and turned them upside-down due to the selection of lefties being very small,
but i never saw him play a lefty
That makes sense bc the lower strings would be longer if you strung a Strat upside down- never knew that!
This is a really weird 4yr old thread, and totally wrong
Custom pickups are also insanely expensive for multi scale. I contacted Seymour Duncan about getting nazgul and sentient voiced pick ups for my seven string multi scale Ibanez RG. The pick ups would have cost $450 plus tax and shipping. Compared to the $189 that the standard 7 string set costs at Sweetwater.
Thanks for this video, it was very helpful. I recently picked up my first 7 string and I'm glad I didn't go with the multiscale. I figured adding a whole string is enough of an adjustment. I love a real slinky guitar, I use 8's on my 6 strings, so I think the string tension advantage on the multiscale would be amazing, but I feel like I would have real problems adjusting to the fanned frets. I want one eventually though.
….awesome, thanx for this info…👌🏼
…im getting an 8 String Multiscale headless guitar👍🏼
very well explained!
good playing too
Go banana! Thanks pal, u answered a lot of questions for me. Great content!
You damn kids with your Multiscale guitars and instagrams. Nice vid I don’t want to invest the cash into a new multi scale but would love to try one out.
This was exactly what I was looking for.
Great video. Very informative.
Great video, super helpful
so for an 8 string multiscale is it easier for chords and stretches or harder? I have about medium size hands and want an 8 string but dont know whether to get a regular fretted guitar or fan fretted. my thoughts are i would get a multiscale for my first 8 string so ill get used to it without having to adapt to a regular 8 string then having to adapt to a multiscale 8 string. the guitar I'm wanting is a ibanez rgms8 25.5 -27 inch fan or should I get the standard rg 8?
I'm wondering how a multiscale feels when playing 3 5 7 legato on the low E string. Is it harder? Easier? The same? Any info would be greatly appreciated.
Great stuff!!
need a multiscale floyd rose for dive bombs and squeals
Strandberg and Keisel both have multiscale guitars with floating bridges
@@mitchell2719 Strandbergs have a pretty light fan, so they can get away with it. Never seen a multiscale Kiesel with a trem, though. What model?
mitchell2719 they don’t have the trem with multiscale guitars
Khaler makes multi Scale trems
There is an ormsby multiscale floyd rose
do I need special set of strings or is it just the standard like .9 gauge ones?
I've never played one but I can imagine it's easier to bend...? You bend the string upwards and at the same time, because the fret is slightly diagonal, the point of contact between the string and fret gets a bit higher up the neck. So I suppose you'll bend into the note you want with less effort. Am I right?
I am looking for a 7 string and the cheapest option (for me) is multi scales since 27” 7 strings seem to be expensive. I’m trying to get to drop f any tips for that? What guitar would be good for that, what string gauge should I use?
I finally got one this year, took 30 mins to get used to and it made my playing so much cleaner when I hold chords. It's much more noticeable when you play the high end and the low end feels more tied together than any other guitar I've had
this very thing you said here was also my experience. bar chords on high distortion sound waaay better than on my old 6 string Deanie. even though the dean has better pickups
Well, it's great theat you've found a way to justify spending way too much for your guitar because of a fad that will never really catch on.
@@kiillabytez you're one of these guys who sits and doesnt practise but complains when he doesnt get better. Multiscale is nowhere near a fad at this point, nor is it more expensive. Just bro's like you who still think Metallica is difficult too scared to push the boundaries
I bought a Dingwall NG3 without realizing how many blues lawyers I would piss off. Totally worth the money.
Two weeks late but congratulations that’s a sick bass!
Great video this helps a lot thanks.
The only thing that took time to adjust on for me was high notes above the 15th fret or so, I was a little thrown off there at first, but now it's second nature to me. Absolutely love my VM7
I’ve recently been looking into buying a multi scale and I decided on the legator g7fp. I have a little bit of experience on a schecter multi scale and it felt great. The only thing that threw me off at first was sweeps above like the 15th fret but after a few minutes I was right at home.
Thinking about buying a multiscale 6 string but is it hard for a beginner
It's a agile with a humbucker pick up and a Roland guitar synth
Nice tone dude.
How do you hang that guitar? (no headstock) Can you use a headstock tuner on it?
I like the 6 string headless design. Just practical about the home, where space is a real problem. Have a IB SIX6 and looking for a Strandberg too,
Would reccomend. I love my strandberg so much that it makes all my other guitars feel inferior including my kiesel aries multiscale 7.
Excellent video. 💪
Well done Millennial!
I made a stankface every time you played a note on that thing. Sounds god damn brutal 🤘👏
I get it especially on 7+ string guitars or even really low tuned 6's. One absolute no no for me is an aesthetic issue that happens to apply to this kiesel..... Flamed maple fretboards and multiscale don't mix. You have the maple flame lines and frets coming at each other in all different directions. It hurts.
Love my multi scale 7 string Ibanez ♥️
I've played a few multi-scale guitars, and own a 5-string Ibanez multi-scale bass. The only issue/adjustment I had to consider was making sure the strings I like would work on it(they do).
Love the video and great full for the education. I own a multi scale guitar and having a lot of fun with it. BUT can you keep the volume of the audio at the same level. Trying to listen to you through a headset and your voice is so low that when you kick the guitar in it messes up my tinnitus and I get looks from others as why I have my music so loud. Thank again for the vid.
Tried a strandberg when I was in Scotland a while back. had no problems adapting at all. Could play everything right away quite naturally. I think a couple jazz chords go muddled on the lower frets at first. As you can see from my channel I am definitely not a pro musician nor a quick learner. Hopefully that should break through any trepidations for any weekend players.
Boomer here, playing a Kiesel Vader VM7. Drop A. Just saying. My previous 7 was a Squier Stratocaster 7 bought new in 97. REALLY glad to get that 7th string tighter, the Strat had major pitch wobble. Also have an 8 string cheap, an Agile. It's a 27 inch scale, so the 7th and 8th are great but 1st string .009 is pretty ping-y.
I really wanna buy an 8 strings but I'm a lot into shredding, big chords (animals as leaders) and sweeping (archspire) so I don't know if it's as easy as a normal scalling to sweep and play jazzy chords on this. Can someone help me ?
Great explanation, thanks.
I wonder isn't pointy nose guitars such as the Solar also has that extra tention on the low strings?
Isn't it also somewhat something to consider?
Weird music language but really informative. That bass is so tight! Would jazz shred work well on it? I’m after a 7 string, never had one before and wonder if this is a viabl3 alternative.
Trey should I get the Kiesel Type X 8 string or an Aristides H08 their new headless model? Same price for the specs I want. Aristides has better pickup options, and Arium is supposed to sound amazing.
But fucking neck through would double kiln dried double carbon reinforced neck with ALL the finishing options they have sounds TOO tantalizing. I’m leaning towards Kiesel but I feel the Aristides would be more stable (I live 3 hours south of Canada and it’s 8 months of winter here)
Thanks for reading this brother and I hope I get the setup in this video some day
How do you clean up the tone on the low strings to get note clarity? Overdrive pedal?
Just came here to have an excuse to marvel at the Kiesel Type-X for 16 minutes. Such a gorgeous guitar.
I think I’m going to order one, in 8 string. I’ve been trying to decide between that and an Aristides headless 08 as well. Aristides is the same price but has better pickup options , also being made completely composite would make it almost completely resistant to breaking/warping/dents etc.
The aesthetic options are wider on the Kiesels which may seem trivial but I honestly love feeling inspired by beautiful guitars. My main fanned Ibanez 7 string is all black on black on black, which is ok too.
Which one do you think I should get? Aristides H08 or the Kiesel Type X 8???
What would you think of multi-scale bowed string instruments (violins, violas, cellos, and upright basses); banjos, (I know about the string starting part way down the neck), and ukuleles (multiscale might be odd with their tuning relation)?
Really good note about palm muting. Which makes me wonder, is it better to bend in the fret direction vs perpendicular to the neck, or does it make much difference? I think I only see you bend once in this video. Is there a reason for that?
Watching this a few years after it was posted, I can comment more on aftermarket pickups. Seymour Duncan used to do custom multiscale pickups, but they won't do it any longer - they actually told me I should contact Bareknuckle. Bareknuckle and Lundgren will do it for a very small upcharge over the standard set price. I just ordered a set of Lundgren Black Heavens (both ceramic) with the angled backplate mount that fits my pickup cavities, and it was only $10 over the standard set price. They even sent me a PDF of the CAD layout of the angled backplate so I could make sure it was going to fit my guitar. But Trey is correct - your options are very limited. I was thinking of putting Fishman's in this guitar, but they just won't fit - not even the 9-string set is big enough for the cavities.
Are they easier to play than flat scale for small hands ? I play on 8 flat scale guitar and it's ok but not so easy. It seems that multiscale power chords of biggest strings are harder to make.
interesting insight. The Gauge selection seems to be rather a challenge as a typical set of strings would perhaps won't work? How do you select the strings for the Kiesel? Does Kiesel offer string sets or one has to do its own?
Can I start with a multiscale 8-strings guitar too?
is there any reason to get a multiscale guitar if I'm not interested in playing in a super low tuning? The pitch wobble reduction seems nice, but I think a properly set up standard guitar shouldn't much of an issue with that anyway.
Trey what pickups were in that X type 8 string in ordering one right now and want to get the ones you’re using here. Also been considering trading in my 6505+ for an ENGL savage 120 mkii so thanks for playing my favorite dream gear hahah it’s for space death metal
I tend to play across-the-fingerboard a lot, 'modally' I guess you could call it, as opposed to up-and-down it as much. A good bit of that is for timbre, particularly on the low strings. Between that, and playing close to the frets (which helps my slide and fretless bass playing by having good positioning habits), I've found the multiscale guitars frustrating to play. Best case examples had their parallel fret more towards the nut so it felt more "normal" with regular riffing, though that makes lead work something you really need to keep your eyes on the board for. Ones with the parallel fret higher up, like Ibanez does, were simply impossible as it clashed with decades of muscle memory. No bueno.
My solution has just been baritone ERGs, tuned down a whole step, and just getting custom string sets from Kalium, light top with the plain strings, then medium, balanced tension for all the wound strings. I'm not a fan of highwire artist tension anyway. 15 - 16 lbs. per string is noice. Also, I actually like the bowing sharp when you gank the "djent" strings You can control how much of that you get by picking closer to the bridge and adjusting your picking strength. I could see where ERG players, particularly eight-stringers, who like a lot of tension, this being the way to go, though.
that tone is next level
Great timing on this video. I've been ignoring them but maybe I shouldn't. I will take a second look but I think the deal breaker is pickup selection. My 7 string 25.5 gets too flubby on the low A string. I'm going back to heavy bottom strings.
how does it effect on small hand players? is it better ?@geargods
Question, if I got a 27in 7 string multiscale. Would it maintain a double drop c tuning? Like will it not go out of tune too often after playing? This is my first multiscale and I want to go pretty low lol. Just wondering is all
I would say almost certainly not, you'd have to go longer or get prohibitively heavy gauge strings
I am still working on getting my indexing perfect on 7 when I switch back and forth between 6/7 string instruments (means I still hit the wrong string sometimes unless playing pieces that are composed on 7), the location or even absence of frets is not a challenge for me compared to that issue. I thought just intonation/even temperament was interesting, but since all the fingerings are roughly in the same locations as any other guitar if you are having trouble to look away from the fretboard andor watch your hands but in a mirror. Practicing watching your hands in the mirror is actually a stupid sick dead simple way to retrain your brain/neck to stop looking at your hands unless you really need to. And if you're playing in a bar, you are probably in front of a mirror then too. :-)
Just picked up an Etherial Zatha 8. I traded in my first 8 a Schecter Damien Platinum for it and wow it makes a world of difference playing a multiscale. It's easier to play up high, less exhausting on my wrist, and definitely a different vibe altogether.
Well, what's about 6-string multiscales(25,5-27)?
what pickups does your kiesel have?
that bass on the wall looks gorgeous
Yeah that’s my JBM5, very sick bass
I have a multiscale bass and when I have to play from charts and can't look at the neck as much, the fret spacing can really mess me up in the low register. My feeling of where the next fret is gets thrown off just enough that I've hit some notes a half step away from where I was supposed to be.
But if I'm not reading charts and can look freely at the neck it's no issue at all. Maybe I'll get used to it.
This content was incredible. Really assured me that I'm gonna try a fanfret 7 string instead of a normal 7 string.
Only thing is that your voice is really quiet and the guitar pretty loud.