@@angellowy I've met the actress in real life she's actually really nice I met her at this I can't remember was at some store I was with my mom grocery shopping and we bumped into her very nice woman
It goes back to Season 2 when Sue called Kurt “Lady”. Kurt called her out and said it was bullying, and Sue apologized and gave him three options for nicknames, one of which was Porcelain, which he chose. I see that as a term of endearment
Sue may be mean, manipulative, and somewhat of a bitch, but she does have a heart; A very small one at that, but it is there nonetheless, she may seem insensitive, but deep down, she does care.
The scene with Dave’s father just really broke my heart. He raised that kid. That is HIS child. He loved and nurtured that kid. When Dave got suspended for bullying Kurt, he wasn’t mad, just sad. Because he knew his son could do better. The hoarse scream for help really strikes something in me and the pain cuts deeply. I think we should have seen more of Dave’s father, a very important character.
Not gonna lie, as a teacher this is one of my worst fears. It is our job to watch out for and take care of our kids, but you don't always notice or catch it in time. It's terrifying.
When i heard Daves dad scream i started to cry. A few months ago my dad found my 2 month old baby brother dead in his sleep and i woke up that morning to my dad screaming like that. Its honestly one of the most heart breaking sounds to hear when a parent finds their child like that and the screams of my parents still play so clearly in my head. Daves dads scream just triggered those memories and it hurts cause now i keep hearing my dads heartbreaking scream in my head.
So sorry for your baby Brother. No parents should have to deal with this. I have 3 kids, and i seriously dont know how i can handle the death of one them...
I mean if we wanna be technical for this scene, the four of them are probably the school’s faculty that associated the most with Karofsky (and Emma is a counselor) so it makes sense that Figgins would call them.
This scene is real it hurts. I liked max Adler as an actor and I liked karofsky once he stopped bullying Kurt, so I've never been in love with how they just dropped his arc after this. But this episode is one of if not the most well thought out ones they've ever done and is a worthy end to a such a complex character Ya know. Until they brought him back as Blaine's boyfriend for drama...
they were supposedly going to bring back sebastian but grant was filming as one of the mains for the flash so he couldn't obviously, and instead they brought back karofsky, but i get where you are coming from
that short clip of the dad is what really got me. you sense the severity of the situation when you see someone who's not typically a comical main character of the show, react in such a way
This episode was honestly my favorite, the way Darren sang "Cough Syrup" while Dave's situation was being presented and also the numbers both The Warblers and New Directions did were really awesome because I love those songs. Master piece of an episode
I had my doubts about David’s dad when I first saw him but that scene showed the guy clearly loved his son. The use of the word “buddy” alone implies much about their relationship.
Watching Karofsky at first I hated him. But when he kissed Kurt and it was revealed he was gay, I could see what he was acting the way he was. Then seeing him make amends with Kurt at Scandals. I felt happy that he was actually being nice. Doing bulky whips and all. I was glad at the progress. But seeing this just made tears. And it's good that Karofsky has a dad just like Kurt's. But still seeing this just makes me hate all people trying to act cool and thinking it's awesome to pick on other people just because they want to build up their damn reputation. It's inhumane.
I give credit to Glee for covering a lot of serious storylines. Granted some of them just ending abruptly (the eating disorder on Supergirl for example) but this one stands out the most to me. It's the most well written, acted and overall powerful bit I've seen come out of this show
This is definitely one of glee's most important episode and I hope if anyone who is think of suicide reads this message I care about you and you are so beautiful in so many ways
I remember watching this in 2012... The part of this scene where they show Karofsky's dad trying to get help sends shivers down my spine; it's so emotional
Lotus Lily he really isn't. I think that line was put in for the parents and people who see teens on a daily basis, because some people treat teens today like teens were treated 20 years ago and just expect them to deal with it, but it isn't that easy to just deal with it.
I gotta be honest. That scene where Dave's dad was crying over his dying son's body really tore my heart apart. I just can't imagine myself being a father and seeing my son dying. This show really knew how to touch every single emotion in our being.
Today, a young lady, an 11th grade student at my son's school, committed suicide. She hung herself. She was transexual. She was also smart, kind, talented and beautiful. May she rest in peace. Let's be kind to one another, please.
i remember watching this live and like, the 15sec delay to knowing if dave was alive or not simply made me cry harder and harder and the Paul's cry with dave's on his arms... this whole episode is a bomb
I love the example Will gave later on his own thoughts of suicide. It seemed shallow at first but it hit home the power of pain, fear, unexpected shame and the power of how others can influence us
Figgins saying "it wasn't our job to know" really just shows whats wrong with a lot of educators School is supposed to be a safe space and when teachers think its not their job to provide that space things like these happen
“Then who’s job was it” The thing is it’s nobodies job that’s what makes it so scary but the moment before you slip into that darkness it is so hard to come back out it’s been two year since my suicide attempt didn’t work but I don’t like to think about it that way because life is hard but it gets easier and I’m glad my mom found me when she did because now I can see her and my family smile everyday.
I lost my childhood friend to suicide back in 2016. And this episode, especially the scene of Dave’s father, made me imagine things of my best friend that I couldn’t fathom. How my best friends mom found him in the garage, the hurt, the pain, the anguish; all of it still radiates and brings more pain and sadness.
The scene with his dad...I immediately started crying, oh my god...been there...I’ve attempted suicide more times then I can count on both hands...the bullying worsened once I came out...so I know exactly how he feels :/
I was reading the comments about how hurt they are when they heard his dad scream and I was like how bad that can be and when the scene came, let me tell yall how fast I paused and trying not to get tears in my eyes cause that shit really hits me in the feel
Emma's (if that is her name; haven't watched this show in a long time) red hair is very pretty with her cardigan. Sorry, I know this is a sad episode. Just wanted to comment. Man I love that shade of blue.
Glee may have had a lot of problems but they did touch in great issues. The pressures of the most recent generations and online bully are both very real topics I think they covered great here
I can't tell you the number of times I have just wanted to end my own life as people have made me feel crappy or that I don't belong anywhere. I really feel for David. I really do.
It says a lot about Figgins’ character that he’s the only one who seems unaffected about Dave and is more worried about appearances and deflecting blame.
Damn. I watched thsi fucking 10 years ago jesus. And it was on tv and I just remembered it randomly so the only thing I remember is this suicide for some reason. So nostalgic..
“It wasn’t our job to know.” THIS IS WHY MOST KIDS DON’T FEEL GOOD EVER! If you decide to work with kids you take on a LOT more responsibility than you think, you’re not just a teacher or a guidance counselor or a principal. You become a mentor, a leader even an inspiration and a role model to them. If they feel like they can’t come to you with an issue, you have failed your purpose. This is coming from a teacher.
I mean, I'm not placing blame or anything but to answer the question it was literally Emma's job. Sometimes things go unseen and slip under the radar like in this case. But in the matter of asking whose job it was, it was hers. She's the guidance counselor
Sue could have done more to get to the bottom of the matter- there was something off about his explanations for his behavior in the meeting(we know the real reason of course but I'm speaking from an outsider's/Sue's perspective) that she had with all of them in Season 2 before Dave got suspended and the fact that his dad chimed in with how odd he was acting at home should have been an indicator. But it isn't her fault.
@@delenas no it isn’t. Teachers’ job is to teach their subjects. Taking care of children is not actually in their contracts. Besides, if they did “take care” of him, it would have been impossible for them to detect anything. Schools don’t have any power towards children; parents do.
A lot of people who are usually in that mental health zone don't particularly display it in such an obvious manner that teachers or other people who are around them very sporadically could pick up on. Especially in an environment like school where tons of students are going to be sulking about anyway. None of them could've ever predicted that someone was going to out him and put him in that position. Or if that was gonna be the straw that broke the cammel's back. So whose job was it to know? Like Figgins said, nobody's. It's not something you can see and call out immediately, it's a very deep and layered issue that you have to keep pressing to find out what's really going on and I don't think people such as everyday faculties have enough training to understand just yet.
the hate surrounding the pride jersey in Australia, this is why we instill pride and share it among all walks of life so this never happens to our young
The ones that matter to the situation. Beiste is there bc she’s the coach of the football team. Dave was on the team. Sue was the former principle of the school so she dealt with Dave’s interactions with Kurt and the other students. Emma is the school counselor. Will is the Glee Club Sponser. He’s there bc he dealt with Dave’s interactions with Kurt from Kurts side and Dave and the rest of the team very briefly became part of Glee Club
"Then, who's job was it?" It is so sad, that young LGBT's, their parents and teachers/mentors still has to fight with this in 2022, as it was a problem or an issue.
Oh, I'm so sorry. Homophobes are just plain stupid, as smart as those who think you'll get frostbite if you're out in the sun in Death Valley. As a matter of fact, I'm sure they think like that.
The Glee curse is in full effect again. Darren Criss' brother was found dead just today of an apparent suicide. He had struggled with depression for years. R.I.P. Chuck Criss 💔💔
I love how even when she's being serious, Sue still calls Kurt "porcelain".
Kawaii Potato same
Its a term of enderment. Shes mean and gives nicknames, but is actually her way of being nice
@@angellowy I've met the actress in real life she's actually really nice I met her at this I can't remember was at some store I was with my mom grocery shopping and we bumped into her very nice woman
It goes back to Season 2 when Sue called Kurt “Lady”. Kurt called her out and said it was bullying, and Sue apologized and gave him three options for nicknames, one of which was Porcelain, which he chose. I see that as a term of endearment
When Sue starts crying you know it’s serious
Sue may be mean, manipulative, and somewhat of a bitch, but she does have a heart; A very small one at that, but it is there nonetheless, she may seem insensitive, but deep down, she does care.
“Then who’s job was it?”. Now that’s brutal.
Gaby Champion burtle but true
Especially from Emma
This line made me burst into tears
How has it been so long and I still immediately choke up when she says this.
Oh gosh I cry on this scene every time 😪
When his dad finds him. And you hear the desperation in his voice just breaks my heart.
That was the part that tore my heart apart
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It's literally some of the best acting I have ever experienced. He should have gotten an Emmy just for that scene.
paul karofsky might be one of the best tertiary characters in the show. i felt like he was a really realistic portrayal of fatherhood along with burt
The scene with Dave’s father just really broke my heart. He raised that kid. That is HIS child. He loved and nurtured that kid. When Dave got suspended for bullying Kurt, he wasn’t mad, just sad. Because he knew his son could do better. The hoarse scream for help really strikes something in me and the pain cuts deeply. I think we should have seen more of Dave’s father, a very important character.
The hospital scene makes me believe karofsky's mom may be a source of his negative attitude and acts
@@HenshinHeroesMedia Yeah, since he said his mom thought he could be "cured"
can someone explain to me what karofski did to attempt suicide like he tightened is belt and bow tie idk what e did can someone please explain tnx
@@Dogcatwoofmeow tried to hang himself
@@CrypticChance oh tysm
One of the deepest glee episodes. Taking a hard look at suicide is not any easy thing to portray truthfully.
Was that in the same episode?
I know I just avoid talking about this stuff cause I don’t like thinking about it
@@kaloniceStMoss hopefully you never have to
Fr though- GLEE of all shows, had no business dealing with an issue like suicide so gently and thoughtfully
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Suicide Squad
Not gonna lie, as a teacher this is one of my worst fears. It is our job to watch out for and take care of our kids, but you don't always notice or catch it in time. It's terrifying.
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Have you had any students ended up committing suicide?
I’m pretty sure all the teachers in this scene were just teachers personally involved with the situation between Dave and Kurt
When i heard Daves dad scream i started to cry.
A few months ago my dad found my 2 month old baby brother dead in his sleep and i woke up that morning to my dad screaming like that.
Its honestly one of the most heart breaking sounds to hear when a parent finds their child like that and the screams of my parents still play so clearly in my head.
Daves dads scream just triggered those memories and it hurts cause now i keep hearing my dads heartbreaking scream in my head.
I’m so sorry, that’s so awful.
I'm so sorry for your loss....
I’m so sorry. I can’t even imagine
So sorry for your baby Brother. No parents should have to deal with this. I have 3 kids, and i seriously dont know how i can handle the death of one them...
Oh honey, that is awful 😭
I swear Glee literally covered any possible storyline, it's impressive. This is really powerful and accurate
......I'm still convinced glee is musical Degrassi but that might be the Canadian talking
yeah i’m rewatching it rn after a long time but they didn’t really give santana a good coming out story
especially with the delete cheerios coming out scene, it honestly could’ve added so much more to the whole plot of the show
It amazes me how this school only has a counselor, a cheerleading coach, a Spanish teacher and a football coach and it still survived.
This comment is too funny for the vibe of this comment section 😅😅
I mean if we wanna be technical for this scene, the four of them are probably the school’s faculty that associated the most with Karofsky (and Emma is a counselor) so it makes sense that Figgins would call them.
This scene is real it hurts. I liked max Adler as an actor and I liked karofsky once he stopped bullying Kurt, so I've never been in love with how they just dropped his arc after this. But this episode is one of if not the most well thought out ones they've ever done and is a worthy end to a such a complex character
Ya know. Until they brought him back as Blaine's boyfriend for drama...
they were supposedly going to bring back sebastian but grant was filming as one of the mains for the flash so he couldn't obviously, and instead they brought back karofsky, but i get where you are coming from
@@sydneycarnie9737 "one of the mains" hes THE main
@@hunterhorsehelmsley7315 haha facts facts, they wouldn't have a show without him, i just meant that he's in the main cast therefore one of the mains
@@sydneycarnie9737 damnnn would have liked so see more Sebastian hehe
that short clip of the dad is what really got me. you sense the severity of the situation when you see someone who's not typically a comical main character of the show, react in such a way
This episode was honestly my favorite, the way Darren sang "Cough Syrup" while Dave's situation was being presented and also the numbers both The Warblers and New Directions did were really awesome because I love those songs. Master piece of an episode
Omar yh especially his expression with 'cooooooooough syrup' gives me shivers
I had my doubts about David’s dad when I first saw him but that scene showed the guy clearly loved his son. The use of the word “buddy” alone implies much about their relationship.
emma is truly one of the best characters
Long Night Moon she s my favorite character
"It's wasn't our job to know" what a great person. Wouldn't look out for someone and be wary unless it's their job.
I had teachers like that when I was in school 🙄
Sue was a better principal by far
Watching Karofsky at first I hated him. But when he kissed Kurt and it was revealed he was gay, I could see what he was acting the way he was. Then seeing him make amends with Kurt at Scandals. I felt happy that he was actually being nice. Doing bulky whips and all. I was glad at the progress. But seeing this just made tears. And it's good that Karofsky has a dad just like Kurt's. But still seeing this just makes me hate all people trying to act cool and thinking it's awesome to pick on other people just because they want to build up their damn reputation. It's inhumane.
0:15 "It's just so senseless..."
That single line from Dot, where she looks like she's about to break down crying...that's real acting.
I give credit to Glee for covering a lot of serious storylines. Granted some of them just ending abruptly (the eating disorder on Supergirl for example) but this one stands out the most to me. It's the most well written, acted and overall powerful bit I've seen come out of this show
This is definitely one of glee's most important episode and I hope if anyone who is think of suicide reads this message I care about you and you are so beautiful in so many ways
I remember watching this in 2012... The part of this scene where they show Karofsky's dad trying to get help sends shivers down my spine; it's so emotional
the abrupt cut to dave’s dad finding him- yeah that shit broke me.
"The pressure to protect your reputation is so much worst than when we were kids."
Lotus Lily he really isn't. I think that line was put in for the parents and people who see teens on a daily basis, because some people treat teens today like teens were treated 20 years ago and just expect them to deal with it, but it isn't that easy to just deal with it.
Humanity was restored the moment Kurt walked in to Karofskys hospital room❤️
Sue and the dad... killed me.
The acting of the man’s father is unbelievable. It breaks my heart to think of that actually happening to a parent.
I gotta be honest. That scene where Dave's dad was crying over his dying son's body really tore my heart apart. I just can't imagine myself being a father and seeing my son dying. This show really knew how to touch every single emotion in our being.
Today, a young lady, an 11th grade student at my son's school, committed suicide. She hung herself. She was transexual. She was also smart, kind, talented and beautiful. May she rest in peace. Let's be kind to one another, please.
I'm so sorry for the loss of that person. Yes, we must spread love
When Sue's upset, you know it's serious x
This has got to be one of the most darkest episodes one GLEE
i remember watching this live and like, the 15sec delay to knowing if dave was alive or not simply made me cry harder and harder and the Paul's cry with dave's on his arms... this whole episode is a bomb
I love the example Will gave later on his own thoughts of suicide. It seemed shallow at first but it hit home the power of pain, fear, unexpected shame and the power of how others can influence us
If something makes Sue cry, you know it’s serious
Figgins saying "it wasn't our job to know" really just shows whats wrong with a lot of educators
School is supposed to be a safe space and when teachers think its not their job to provide that space things like these happen
And Emma's quiet reply to him is so devastating - much more damning a rebuke than yelling would have been.
0:45 that was a perfect cut it made me..jump
definitely one of glee's deepest episode. even sue felt really crushed about the attempted suicide
This exact thing happened to my friend but she lost her life at the hospital R.I.P Anna.
“then who’s job was it” that hits
This is one of the only issues that Glee actually handled well
Question. Then who’s job was it?
Answer. All of you , his parents and his friends believe it or not that could of gone a long way!
“Then who’s job was it”
The thing is it’s nobodies job that’s what makes it so scary but the moment before you slip into that darkness it is so hard to come back out it’s been two year since my suicide attempt didn’t work but I don’t like to think about it that way because life is hard but it gets easier and I’m glad my mom found me when she did because now I can see her and my family smile everyday.
I’m glad too 🩵
I lost my childhood friend to suicide back in 2016. And this episode, especially the scene of Dave’s father, made me imagine things of my best friend that I couldn’t fathom. How my best friends mom found him in the garage, the hurt, the pain, the anguish; all of it still radiates and brings more pain and sadness.
I'm sorry for your loss. I can see this still hurt you. How are you? Wanna talk? Feel free to express yourself, sending virtual hugs.
The scene with his dad...I immediately started crying, oh my god...been there...I’ve attempted suicide more times then I can count on both hands...the bullying worsened once I came out...so I know exactly how he feels :/
I was reading the comments about how hurt they are when they heard his dad scream and I was like how bad that can be and when the scene came, let me tell yall how fast I paused and trying not to get tears in my eyes cause that shit really hits me in the feel
0:46
Paul: GET SOME HELP! David, buddy come on. DAVID!
Me: OMG! This is so sad to watch. I hope David is ok.
God Figgins really was a useless principal. It really says something when you would rather have Sue Sylvester in charge.
The fact that the audio is altered and you can tell in everyone’s voice except Emma’s
Exactly! *WHOSE JOB WAS IT?* I couldnt agree more. It's sooo true
Emma's (if that is her name; haven't watched this show in a long time) red hair is very pretty with her cardigan.
Sorry, I know this is a sad episode. Just wanted to comment. Man I love that shade of blue.
The dad broke me!!
I cried every time I watch the episode the whole episode and I’m crying now it’s just so awful
The dad gets like 2 seconds of screen time in this scene and fuck it's good acting.
“Then who’s job was it” that hit hard
“Then who’s job was it?”
Glee may have had a lot of problems but they did touch in great issues. The pressures of the most recent generations and online bully are both very real topics I think they covered great here
Glee is a hot mess and they really had no business handling such sensitive topics as well as they did
But for what it’s worth- I’m grateful
I can't tell you the number of times I have just wanted to end my own life as people have made me feel crappy or that I don't belong anywhere. I really feel for David. I really do.
I forgot about the clip of his dad finding him. That hurt.
"Can induce copycats"
Mmmm
Heather
Heather
Heather
No father or student should ever have to go through this
It says a lot about Figgins’ character that he’s the only one who seems unaffected about Dave and is more worried about appearances and deflecting blame.
Damn. I watched thsi fucking 10 years ago jesus. And it was on tv and I just remembered it randomly so the only thing I remember is this suicide for some reason. So nostalgic..
0:45 That scared the hell out of me.
I cry everytime i see the part when Dave's dad finds him
Could you please upload the performance of sway??
“It wasn’t our job to know.”
THIS IS WHY MOST KIDS DON’T FEEL GOOD EVER! If you decide to work with kids you take on a LOT more responsibility than you think, you’re not just a teacher or a guidance counselor or a principal. You become a mentor, a leader even an inspiration and a role model to them. If they feel like they can’t come to you with an issue, you have failed your purpose.
This is coming from a teacher.
That's why Paul Karofsky worried sick about his son David who has suicide
Are there only four teachers in that entire school?? Two of which are both pe teachers
Dave’s story broke my heart
Dark but interesting ❤✅✔️🤔👀!
I mean, I'm not placing blame or anything but to answer the question it was literally Emma's job. Sometimes things go unseen and slip under the radar like in this case. But in the matter of asking whose job it was, it was hers. She's the guidance counselor
But she not clairvoyant?
Sometimes people just fall through the cracks..
Man i was about to cry how sad it is until daves dad screamed and i jumped way to ruin the moment xD
That’s his baby. Ugh 🥺
Dang
*Then whose job was it*
Damn. Right in the heart.
Sue could have done more to get to the bottom of the matter- there was something off about his explanations for his behavior in the meeting(we know the real reason of course but I'm speaking from an outsider's/Sue's perspective) that she had with all of them in Season 2 before Dave got suspended and the fact that his dad chimed in with how odd he was acting at home should have been an indicator. But it isn't her fault.
Is 0:46-0:49 the only time his father finding him is shown in a episode?
ladydruyear Yes
Suicide can be very serious for kids like karofsky.
"and whose job was it?"
His parents maybe?
well, it is literally their actual job to take care of these kids. like they do it for a living. maybe that could've been what emma meant.
@@delenas no it isn’t. Teachers’ job is to teach their subjects. Taking care of children is not actually in their contracts. Besides, if they did “take care” of him, it would have been impossible for them to detect anything. Schools don’t have any power towards children; parents do.
A lot of people who are usually in that mental health zone don't particularly display it in such an obvious manner that teachers or other people who are around them very sporadically could pick up on. Especially in an environment like school where tons of students are going to be sulking about anyway. None of them could've ever predicted that someone was going to out him and put him in that position. Or if that was gonna be the straw that broke the cammel's back.
So whose job was it to know? Like Figgins said, nobody's. It's not something you can see and call out immediately, it's a very deep and layered issue that you have to keep pressing to find out what's really going on and I don't think people such as everyday faculties have enough training to understand just yet.
the hate surrounding the pride jersey in Australia, this is why we instill pride and share it among all walks of life so this never happens to our young
The Death Of Jamey Rodemeyer Reference
idk who needs to hear this but:
whose = possession (ex: Whose job was it?)
who’s = who is (ex: Who’s responsible for America’s education system?)
Are they like the only teachers?
The ones that matter to the situation.
Beiste is there bc she’s the coach of the football team. Dave was on the team.
Sue was the former principle of the school so she dealt with Dave’s interactions with Kurt and the other students.
Emma is the school counselor.
Will is the Glee Club Sponser. He’s there bc he dealt with Dave’s interactions with Kurt from Kurts side and Dave and the rest of the team very briefly became part of Glee Club
This episode was written by riverdale's creator . Please know that
"Then, who's job was it?"
It is so sad, that young LGBT's, their parents and teachers/mentors still has to fight with this in 2022, as it was a problem or an issue.
0:45
what in the heavens is right with Sue that day?
Season 3 Sue is the best Sue.
That's what u get when u bullied someone... Karma is a bitch
I DIDN’T EVEN LIKE HIM!!WHY AM I CRYING?!?!
Makes me think about how my middle school handled my girlfriends suicide... Just pretended nothing happened.
Oh, I'm so sorry. Homophobes are just plain stupid, as smart as those who think you'll get frostbite if you're out in the sun in Death Valley. As a matter of fact, I'm sure they think like that.
I recommend you UA-cam Joel Osteen
Then whose job was it? I felt that. Still
This is not true he was alive in Seasons 4. 5, and 6
What do u mean not true?
Jennal Brooks you know what’s a suicide ATTEMPT right? Lol
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Like that's
Sue being human for 5 minutes gay
A Bully tried to commit suicide? Good
The Glee curse is in full effect again. Darren Criss' brother was found dead just today of an apparent suicide. He had struggled with depression for years. R.I.P. Chuck Criss 💔💔
Simple, Emma. It’s the parents and family job.
Dave really deserve punishment
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