TASCAM 488 REVIEW | 8 Track multitrack cassette recorder | 1991 | Specifications | Vs. 688 MT8X MKII

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  • @amazinghoehne5430
    @amazinghoehne5430 2 роки тому +8

    I have one of these, I think the 488 is awesome! And I believe there is a workaround for getting more outputs for digitizing (never tested it, but in theory it should work): You can get 4 outs via the group outputs, two by using send 1 and 2, one more by using the cue bus with the phones jack and one by using the sync out.

    • @wehappyfewmusic
      @wehappyfewmusic 2 роки тому +2

      I’d read about that too and keep meaning to test it out. You can definitely do it on the 488 mk2.

    • @Tetrakan
      @Tetrakan  2 роки тому +1

      Ha, hadn’t thought of that, good hack!

    • @sgtcreasegrease
      @sgtcreasegrease 9 місяців тому

      Couldn't you also use smpte to sync to the DAW so your transfers line up?

  • @nwhelan1743
    @nwhelan1743 2 роки тому +1

    Love these videos am delighted every time I come back

  • @michaellukie2145
    @michaellukie2145 Рік тому

    Awesome channel and hi from snowy Winnipeg Manitoba CANADA. I have recently begun to convert my 488 original 8 track song ideas to digital. I bought my 488 in 1991 and used it exclusively until I bought a Yamaha AW16g. I have some 200 cassettes made on the 488 with many song ideas. The 488 was an excellent first machine to learn how to multi-track and record with.
    I also used 2 passes to export my 488 songs to digital and I did notice the motor drift. Pass 1 included 4 tracks and pass 2 included the other 4 tracks. What I found is that I could export a maximum of 4 tracks at a time on the 488. 2 selected tracks were selected for group 1 and 2 and 2 selected tracks were used for group 3 and 4. In group 1/2 1 track was panned left while the other track was panned right. In group 3/4 1 track was panned left and the other was panned right. This gave me 4 tracks that I sent to my Yamaha AW1600. Once the 4 tracks were in the AW1600 I exported the 4 waves to the computer and imported them into CUBASE. I used the same process for the other 4 tracks. I imported each pass to CUBASE giving me 8 tracks but it was difficult to get both groups of 4 tracks to match. The motor drift was a problem that could not be fixed so I have been selecting the most important 4 tracks to export so the song could be worked on again.
    It is possible to export all 8 488 tracks to digital by assigning 2 tracks to group 1, 2 tracks to group 2, 2 tracks to group 3, and 2 tracks to group 4. However, you have less control now because each of the 4 exported tracks has 2 tracks on each.
    I recently purchased a Yamaha AW1600 because it has a USB out so I can now export my AW16g files to the computer rather than having to use CDs. I have 187GB of song ideas on CDs form my AW16g that I am slowly exporting to the computer. On the AW16g, song waves are backed up in a .cfs file and this file, when extracted on the computer using a Yamaha extraction program, gives the wave files for each track and the 2 stereo tracks if a mix-down was done.
    Your channel is a wealth of information for those cats who still have their cassette multi-track machines.
    Cheers : ) Mike

  • @rocknreplay
    @rocknreplay 2 роки тому +2

    Just sold one super cheap on Reverb. Two channels (4 and 8) don’t seem to want to work, and I don’t have time to mess with it.

  • @heinzvoll7798
    @heinzvoll7798 6 місяців тому

    Back then a couple of affordable 8 track cassette recorders came out. I was absolutely thrilled and I knew I had to get one. Ultimately I decided on the Yamaha MT8X and I never regretted it.

  • @johntammaro
    @johntammaro 2 роки тому +1

    Really enjoy your teaching style and of course the content is always top notch

  • @TheHomeRecordingChannel
    @TheHomeRecordingChannel 9 місяців тому

    I've actually got one of these machines. When it was working it was a fabulous sounding recorder. It's totally dead now, but I think it might need a new pcb. Nice video m8. 😎👍

  • @WotanSkyFather
    @WotanSkyFather Рік тому +1

    I used to have one of these, and sold it without exploring it as deeply as it should've been. Regret it to this day.

  • @dudleyrathborne9849
    @dudleyrathborne9849 Рік тому +1

    I purchased this unit at a 2nd hand shop ,for 60 bucks CDN . The door was broken witch crazy glue solved . I also had broken function buttons on the tape . These fractures can be repaired with Model Glue ,polystyrene glue . The drive belt for the Capstan I suspect has broken , and don't know how to get at it .Any suggestions ? And the wow and flutter is a distraction . .The rest of it works fine .

  • @demonicsweaters
    @demonicsweaters Рік тому +1

    these are really cool machines, I never should have sold mine

  • @ottoherrero
    @ottoherrero Рік тому +2

    Hello Tetrakan. Is there any coincidence in portastudio models with the plastic cassette lid? Any clue on how to get a lid of a Midistudio 644? Thx :)

    • @Tetrakan
      @Tetrakan  Рік тому

      The door from a 424 mk 1 or mkII, 488 mk 1 or MkII or a 688 will fit your 644.

    • @ottoherrero
      @ottoherrero Рік тому

      Thanks for the info!

    • @Tetrakan
      @Tetrakan  Рік тому

      You're welcome, thanks for watching.

  • @titmusspaultpaul5
    @titmusspaultpaul5 Рік тому

    Great and informative video. I had the 4 track version and LOVED it. I found it intuitive and very easy to use.... cheers mate.

  • @jeswonderin1103
    @jeswonderin1103 Рік тому +1

    Great video. Thanks for posting it. I have one of these units and want to transfer my 8-Track analog recordings to digital. I have a software program, and there are a variety of user interfaces available, but the challenge I'm facing is that there doesn't appear to be any way to get each of the 8-Tracks transferred individually. I don't want multiple tracks bounced together. I need to be able to remix each track individually. There aren't eight outputs or individual outputs for each track. Any ideas?

    • @Tetrakan
      @Tetrakan  Рік тому

      There's a hack where you use the effects sends sync out and headphone socket that brings you up to 8 outputs. Gain structure not ideal obviously, on the headphone socket especially.

    • @jeswonderin1103
      @jeswonderin1103 Рік тому

      @@Tetrakan Do you have the hack instructions/directions?

    • @Tetrakan
      @Tetrakan  Рік тому

      Off the top of my head its like this....Tracks 1 - 4 to group outs 1 through 4 respectively ( use buss assign and pan controls so only track one appears on group out 1, etc); track 5 and 6 to effect send 1 and 2 respectively ( other tracks must have effects sends turned down) ; track 7 monitor in headphones (must be the only channel turned up in the cue buss) track 8 via the sync socket (sync turned on at the back of the unit)

  • @heffe8056
    @heffe8056 2 роки тому +2

    300 pounds... $350 for a fixed 688! amazing deal lmfao how can someone complain about that?

  • @SALOVHS
    @SALOVHS 11 місяців тому

    Ah. Thank you for this! I own one of these. This is so helpful!

  • @thurstonmurru
    @thurstonmurru 2 роки тому +1

    Great review!! I recently noticed my 488 sometimes gives guitars/organ sounds a kind of very fast vibrato/tremolo (more noticeably on the high frequencies). Is that a sign of a fault maybe? Cheers!

    • @Tetrakan
      @Tetrakan  2 роки тому +1

      If fresh rubber parts and cleaning and lubricating the cassette mechanism dont resolve wow and flutter issues then it could be the control chip on your motor pcb is overheating, see this video for more details ua-cam.com/video/h1BBVAtDtIo/v-deo.html

  • @bromy2251
    @bromy2251 2 роки тому +1

    Ive got a 464 I've recently fixed, thanks to your videos, and I didn't know type one cassettes leave a residue or whatever. If it gets too bad can I just open it and clean it with alcohol wipes? or do I need to switch to type two?

    • @Tetrakan
      @Tetrakan  2 роки тому +1

      Just clean it more often and it’ll be fine. And yeah I’m using alcohol wipes for that with no issues.

  • @cozyfromearth9864
    @cozyfromearth9864 Місяць тому

    Hey Sir, so i bought the exact same tascam 488 and it used to work fine., Suddenly it stopped playing when I press play. I can still rewind and forward tho and rest also works. I tryed cleaning the tape heads with isopropanol but it didnt affect the problem. Can you help me out pleaseeeeee ?

  • @therealtawam7920
    @therealtawam7920 23 дні тому

    Hello Tetrakan I just got a Tascam 488mkI but there ́s an issue.
    The group 1 can’t record properly. When I try to record on track 1 or 5 it plays back really low, almost inaudible .
    I tried to record on track 4 and 8 and then reverse the cassette and the play-back on track 1 and 5 works . The sound is just reversed.
    I can also send the signal from input 1 to the other tracks but i can record it on track 1 or 5.
    Do you have any ideas please ?
    Thank you for the tutorials 👍

  • @KrispieKomrad
    @KrispieKomrad 2 роки тому +1

    this is wonderful, been looking for a complete "30 years later" review. just got a 688 from a pawn shop and would be great to see a vid too. also possible modding to add an external bias knob to experiment with tape types and sound textures?

    • @Tetrakan
      @Tetrakan  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks! Regarding bias mods, I'd need to get clearer on the requirements for other tape types...if only a change of amplitude was required, it'd be a matter of mounting a little PCB with some passive components and a switch, but if a separate frequency was required that'd be more work. I do intent to look at this in more detail at some point on the channel.

    • @KrispieKomrad
      @KrispieKomrad 2 роки тому

      @@Tetrakan as far as i know, bias works by making a set inaudible frequency and how much power is applied to that frequency. it would seem to myself as simple as jumping an external knob to the adjustment pots but i dont have much experience with electronics.

    • @Tetrakan
      @Tetrakan  2 роки тому +3

      @@KrispieKomrad Yeah, to clarify what I was saying, AC bias is a sine wave at a frequency above the threshold of human hearing. The thing is, amplitude of that sine wave would be easier to modify because it is adjusted by passive components, that is ones that do not require a power supply. So It'd be relatively simple to run jumper wires to a switch on a little circuit board with an alternative variable passive component with a different setting - this is how tape speed changes are handled for instance...there are two variable resistors and fixed resistor networks hooked up to the motor and the switch chooses whether you use component set a and b. However the frequency of the oscillation (how many cycles of the sine wave are produced each second) is a more complex modification prospect because the adjustable component is built into the oscillator which is a little integrated lump consisting of many components and which requires a power supply. Therefore a switchable bias frequency modification would require more skill expense and space inside the portastudio, and there isnt a lot of space in there. I know how loud and frequent a sine wave type II cassettes require. I do not know how loud and frequent a sine wave is required by other tape types. So, if it transpired the bias requirements for type 1 tape (for instance) only involved a change of sine wave amplitude, that'd be quite an easy mod. But if instead or in addition adjustment a change of bias frequency was required, that would be much more challenging.

  • @wehappyfewmusic
    @wehappyfewmusic 2 роки тому +1

    Excellent review, I love the 488’s and as you mention they’re easier to get your head around than the 688. Do you think it’d be possible to mod one to allow for 8 tracks of simultaneous recording?

    • @Tetrakan
      @Tetrakan  2 роки тому +3

      Not really, there are only four record amplifier circuits, you’d have to wire in another four and completely change the routing system. Mike terrible from mods and sods wires in individual tape outs all the time though.

    • @wehappyfewmusic
      @wehappyfewmusic 2 роки тому +2

      @@Tetrakan oh yeah, that’d be more of a rebuild than a mod.😊

  • @servicetap3066
    @servicetap3066 Рік тому

    My name is Sal and I am a customer service representative for TAP Electronics. We are the factory service center for TASCAM USA.

    • @Tetrakan
      @Tetrakan  Рік тому

      Hi Sal. Over the last 7 years I have created at least a dozen support tickets with Tascam USA looking for support with their obsolete portastudios, and have never had a reply, which indicates to me that they are no longer supporting their legacy products. Therefore, I would surmise that whatever work they are giving your company , it doesn’t involve these old tape players….am I wrong?

  • @voodoochild6348
    @voodoochild6348 2 роки тому +1

    Hi Tetrakan, I know this video is unrelated to the Tascam 244 but I was hoping you could help me out. I just bought one last week (in good condition, everything in working order seemingly). But when I recorded using all four tracks I noticed there seemed to be a warble/ vibrato that was being produced on tracks 1&2 in playback. When I stop and start the tape there's almost like a latency as the tape picks up speed again. I've been looking all over forums and the like but not having much luck. I know its hard to diagnose but any advice would be appreciated, many thanks!

    • @Tetrakan
      @Tetrakan  2 роки тому +1

      I’m sorry I don’t recognise that problem. There’s nothing like a delay line in the circuit, and any pitch undulations affect all tape tracks equally in my experience. If it’s drops in signal, anything I could suggest is included in my 244 and troubleshooting multi tracker electronics playlists.

    • @voodoochild6348
      @voodoochild6348 2 роки тому

      @@Tetrakan no worries at all, really appreciate the response ! Very true though, if it was a playback issue then it should affect all the tracks. I’ll definitely look through the rest of your playlist. Hopefully find a solution. Your videos are super helpful. Thank you very much :)

  • @pr-if8jw
    @pr-if8jw Рік тому

    Great review, thanks for doing that!
    Where do you buy your type 2 cassettes from?

    • @Tetrakan
      @Tetrakan  Рік тому +1

      Just new old stock off ebay. Its a crap shoot - a proportion of what I buy, a bit less than a quarter let's say - have drop outs or other issues. Thems the breaks buying 30 year old tapes with no idea how they've been stored!

  • @MGoolas
    @MGoolas 2 роки тому +2

    Its amazing how much the 488 is getting destroyed by mt8x in terms of I/O and grouping / routing possibilities. No separate outs, no returns, inserts no adjustable grouping, no mid eq and one effect per channel!!

    • @Tetrakan
      @Tetrakan  Рік тому

      Fair enough.... note that the 488 MK II addresses a lot fo these shortcomings.

  • @ClearColorCloud
    @ClearColorCloud Рік тому +1

    Thanks!

  • @ruthaderginsburg9506
    @ruthaderginsburg9506 27 днів тому

    New to recording, would there be adapters or anything to use since theres no xlr inputs or nah?

    • @Tetrakan
      @Tetrakan  21 день тому

      If you have an XLR mic you need an unbalanced cable female xlr to male 1/4" TS Jack plug.

  • @dannywood
    @dannywood 11 днів тому

    Are there only 2 trims for 1 and 2? But you can record 4 tracks simultaneously?

    • @Tetrakan
      @Tetrakan  11 днів тому +1

      Yes. Up to 8 inputs. Only two of which can be mic level. Use external preamp or mixer to bring more than two mic level signals to line level.

  • @joachimdalgard5288
    @joachimdalgard5288 2 роки тому +1

    Could this cure the capstand hum from my 488 aswell?

    • @Tetrakan
      @Tetrakan  2 роки тому

      If you're getting hum from the capstao make sure the cicuit ground on all the boards are joined up. You can test that with a continuity meter.

    • @bucksmoonlightrevival
      @bucksmoonlightrevival Рік тому +1

      I had a hum for a while and then the capstan stopped spinning. That's where I'm at now and gotta open her up

  • @animageofgod
    @animageofgod 8 місяців тому +1

    Maybe, if you have one track free, you can record a sync track to that one. Ofcourse you would need a syncman or something like that. Then you can record it to your pc, while syncing the pc to the sync-track via MIDI with the sync-machine again. That's at least 7 tracks synced (but with unsynced wobble). I'd really like a 488 MKII.

    • @Tetrakan
      @Tetrakan  8 місяців тому +1

      Yes that’s definitely possible. There’s a facility to defeat DBX on track 8 only so the companding doesn’t interfere with the sync pulses.

    • @animageofgod
      @animageofgod 8 місяців тому

      @@TetrakanAh, ofcourse. It slipped my mind that sync would need its own output as well. So it only works when track 8 is available.
      Btw, thanks for your work, you helped me fix two 464's (75 euro's each) a while ago. Both bad belts and c-gears replaced, great stuff!

    • @marcvanderholst8268
      @marcvanderholst8268 2 місяці тому

      i can and will google but while you're on the subject: how do i go about (midi)(sorta)syncing this quite magnificent machine (it's right in front of me right now) with let's say a digitakt? let's definitely say digitakt, but it would probably work for anyone buying this m.m. to stay away from computers and phones and computer phones and calculator watches i'm taking it off now and but how?
      super thx for the other video, which was mega, and mega kept me from not throwing the mag mach out of the window THX

    • @animageofgod
      @animageofgod 2 місяці тому

      @@marcvanderholst8268 You need a device in which you 'feed' the MIDI signal of which the time code can be generated. This device will play a beeping code that you record on one track, which, when played back into the same device (it has out- and inputs) it will generate a MIDI clock time code at the same speed as it was recorded. It's even possible to tweak the pitch a little with the pitch knob on the multi track recorder. But it cant have DBX or any noise reduction for as far as I know so either, if your recorder has multiple outputs, you turn off noise reduction, or you record it to the dedicated 'sync track', of which you can separately turn off noise reduction. In 4 tracks it's track 4, on 8-tracks it's track 8. Good luck.

  • @lawrencegreenwood4002
    @lawrencegreenwood4002 5 місяців тому

    Is the 488 format compatible with a 688? Meaning, if I'd recorded on a 488, could I put the tape I'd recorded on into a 688 and have it cooperate?

    • @Tetrakan
      @Tetrakan  5 місяців тому +1

      TLDR answer - yes.
      They use the same tape speed and head. Poor calibration in one or both units could spoil things a little, but if the DBX and amplifiers were set similarly on both units you should be able to move a recording from one unit to the other without any issues.

    • @lawrencegreenwood4002
      @lawrencegreenwood4002 4 місяці тому

      @@Tetrakan Thanks for getting back to me - I appreciate your knowledge being made public very much. I do have one more question - I've seen on eBay, a service offering 8 direct outs for a 488 mkii. My question is, what do you know of this mod? It sounds like good content. Also, do you know if it's possible on the regular 488 as opposed to the 488 mkii? THANKS TETRAKAN!

  • @oinkooink
    @oinkooink 8 місяців тому

    How about these Portastudios with the digital displays...if the digital goes aren't you basically SNAFU'd? I'd imagine fixing digital circuits is not easy. Or are they pretty bullet proof and it's the moving parts that fail much more so? I sold a 414 2 years ago which I regret and I wanna buy a new Portastudio or a reel to reel 4 track or something. Just want to get back into tape.

  • @michaellukie2145
    @michaellukie2145 Рік тому

    Question: On the 488Mk2 can you export all 8 tracks at once? Does the 488Mk2 have 8 RCA outs for each track? On the 488 you can only export 4 tracks at a time as there are only 4 RCA outs.

    • @Tetrakan
      @Tetrakan  Рік тому +2

      the mk 2 is actually more limited in this respect, it only has one stereo line out! Btw there is a hack to digitally capture 8 tracks from the original 488 using the effect sends sync out and headphone socket for the other 4 tracks.

    • @michaellukie2145
      @michaellukie2145 Рік тому

      @@Tetrakan Thank you Tetrakan, I recently stumbled upon the hack in the bowels of the internet. Your website is awesome and this intrepid explorer of obsolete cassette technology appreciates all the hard work you do to provide us with your information and advice. Happy holidays and keep well. Michael Lukie, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada :)

    • @Tetrakan
      @Tetrakan  Рік тому

      thanks Michael, ditto!

    • @michaellukie2145
      @michaellukie2145 Рік тому

      @@Tetrakan Question: For the TASCAM MidiStudio 688. I recently found one for sale in Canada. Are the cassettes from my 488 cross compatible with the 688 and does the 688 have line outs for all 8 tracks?

    • @Tetrakan
      @Tetrakan  Рік тому

      Yes and yes. Tape speed is the same, noise reduction scheme the same, heads are the same part number, 8 individual tape outs.

  • @saren6538
    @saren6538 9 місяців тому

    What would be the sound quality difference in this and say a Tascam 238 synacast

    • @Tetrakan
      @Tetrakan  9 місяців тому

      Unless the mixer you connected to the 238 was a lot worse or the calibration and maintenance of the units was very different, I would expect the fidelity to be indistinguishable.

  • @nouxboux
    @nouxboux 8 місяців тому +1

    Actually, the 688 quite famously does NOT have phantom power.

    • @Tetrakan
      @Tetrakan  8 місяців тому

      Errata acknowledged

  • @jorisexner8458
    @jorisexner8458 Рік тому

    Is this model all analog? Or is it partly digital?

    • @Tetrakan
      @Tetrakan  Рік тому +1

      The signal path is 100% analogue

    • @jorisexner8458
      @jorisexner8458 Рік тому

      @@Tetrakan thanks so much. Just got into cassette recording and just discovered your channel. Perfect. Probably gonna be watching a lot of your videos!!

  • @BrianOboylemusic
    @BrianOboylemusic 9 місяців тому

    Looks like I found my people ..488

  • @dabigcheezprod
    @dabigcheezprod 10 місяців тому

    If anyone knows where I can get my hands on one let me know. Trying to play my masters again. Sold my old one for 300 years ago and it looks like imma have to pay 600 to get one now? That’s wild.

    • @Tetrakan
      @Tetrakan  10 місяців тому

      I'm selling one on uk eBay at the time of writing. In thd US look up Mods and Ends, Monolith Gardens and Recursive Delete on Instagram, all three of those guys repair and sell such things.

    • @dabigcheezprod
      @dabigcheezprod 10 місяців тому

      @@Tetrakan awesome, thanks the help. I assume you don’t ship to the US?

    • @Tetrakan
      @Tetrakan  10 місяців тому

      @dabigcheezprod I'd be willing to 8f you coveted postage, but duties and carriage are so high across the Atlantic I'm not sure it'd be worth your while, probably better for you to go with the American techs if possible?

  • @tonyfrog3085
    @tonyfrog3085 10 днів тому

    is this a demon a really looks like a demon and sounds like one