How To Cut Porcelain Tiles by Hand with Grinder without Chipping. Testing Diamond Blades 4 Tiling
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- Опубліковано 5 січ 2020
- Learn how to cut porcelain tile with a manual angle grinder without chipping. We test diamond blades to cut a thin sliver in a tile to finish off a tiled fireplace wall. Also see how To Cut Porcelain and ceramic tiles by Hand Without a wet saw - Leave Your Questions and Comments and Click here to Subscribe if you liked the video: bit.ly/265zerc
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I am using a Milwaukee Fuel grinder with a Ridgid diamond cutting wheel. I usually plunge cut about 1/8" away from my cut line and then angle the blade in slowly towards my line. I get pretty clean cuts with this technique. I also put painters tape over my pencil line.
I always wondered what Peter Brady did after the Brady bunch ! Great video man, thanks...
I miss my old tile boss and working for C Blake Homes. Extremely rewarding work and good pay, even as green as I was. Learned a lot. Beautiful Utah scenery on the job.
Dyi projects and you can get it all back:)
C Blake homes? Where in Utah? I’m in Utah and never heard of them.. they do custom homes? I love it here.. if you are an outdoorsman there is always something to do in nature!
The fact you've got a sliver at the top tells me I don't need advice 🤭
Been laying tile for 30 years. The family i learned from started their tile and stone business in 1955. On like 95 percent of my jobs i set up my wet saw , snap cutter and variable speed grinder thats always set on low.
Also a six inch blade for granite cut much cleaner with far less edge chipping!
The holes in a blade are for structural integrity. It helps with distributing the tensions within the metal. The circular holes create topological points where stress is alleviated which could otherwise result in tears/sharding.
I enjoyed your video. I will be doing some tile work tomorrow. My Manual Scoring device became dull so bought a Dewalt Turbo Rim (for tile and a Diamond Blade)for a flower rack. Appreciate your video.
Thanks and Good luck!
Check the handle and see if there is a spare wheel in there
thanks after watching this I got inspired to do it. Not perfect but worked I do advise covering nose n eyes though I can tell it went in my noise even with a dust mask from the motar too
Excellent tutorial...well done mate !
Thanks a lot!
Very clearly explained. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
Really helpful lesson; thank you sir.
Grinders are great.
A steady hand though?
Priceless.
Truedat
We usually use the OX SL-PRO ULTIMATE or another thinner blade but can't remember the brand, nice video 👍🤙
Thx bro. I'll check it out as well. I go through these every two months
I like the 4 inch MK continuous blade and the Makita angle grinder myself. Smooth cuts all the thru. No need to score it 100 times before cutting 👍🏾
What exact MK blade do you speak of please? Thank you. Milwaukee?
I normally just start at one end and cut straight through. Going back and forward always chips more
I agree but some porcelain tiles, like the cheap HD ones will just split if done that way (going thru from start to finish without scoring). With those tiles you must score a bit, go in a little on both edges, then keep scoring back and forth evenly to avoid that tile from cracking or just use water....most good quality tiles however don't really need that score, just go in all the way from start to finish
Nice video thanks
Youre welcome
Surely its the Blade that's important when cutting ,and not the saw or the manufacturer of the saw. Its the Blade quality that must be taken into consideration .
I tried for the first time today.. Now that ive watched your video, i can assure you, and thankyou very much by the way.. That my day tomorrow will be much easier. I shall let you know how i get on.. Thnx again..
Happy to help. Once you do a few it's easy as pie
Works a charm
Jst need2 work on speed.. apart from that worked great.. thanx again
Thank you! This is genuinely helpful.
You're welcome
Carmen Spa-taro Number one tile man in Canada
This worked great for redoing the shower/bathtub of my kid's bathroom. ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxfiuHoZJo3bgdVPFRxQ-iqPpfbEHl2cYt I didn't like the guide, so I took it off. I just used a fine tipped sharpie on the tile and followed that line. It does make a wet mess, and once I started looking like I wet myself I started wearing a towel and apron while cutting. The blade it came with worked great until we wore it out. It was better than the replacement one we bought. I tried looking for just their blade, but failed. Not really for larger tiles unless you stack stuff on either side to support the tiles. Anyway, would definitley buy again.
my contractor just finished my shower tile job and used a grinder like you did vs wet saw and every tile has chips like all your cuts. Am having it all ripped out and hiring a real pro who only does work with a large wet saw to get perfect factory edge on every cut.
I want a disc blade for a louad speaker magnet. Please suggest me which one is suitable
Would it be cleaner placing masking tape over the cut area first then place the cut pencil line on the masking tape?
I found that the old type carbon cutting disc (stone/masonry) gives you a clean cut without any chipping and you can edge the tile as well after your cut.
what was the name of the disc, can u share a url on amazon?
@@InvestorTheory I don't see these discs on amazon, but I'm sure if you visit your local hardware shop they will stock it. I am from South Africa and I used a cheap brand, called Tork Craft. I re-modelled the one bathroom in my house and had the same problem as you with cutting porcelain tiles, unfortunately, only 3/4 through all the cutting and chipped edges, did I think of trying a carbon disc. These discs are very thin and really gives you a clean cut. You just need to do an initial cut to get through the glazing and then choose if you want to cut all the way through or do several light cuts.
Yep just done this today very clean cut don't think I'll bother go buying a diamond disk after watching this video it doesn't perform better.
I found the Dewalt 4 1/2 inch blade in an angle grinder produced slightly cleaner edges than an 8 inch Dewalt blade in my tablesaw. My manual tile cutter still produces a cleaner edge than either of those.
Very nice
Thx
thanks
What about cutting marble?
what cutter do you use to cut marble?
So much dust, I was actually coughing just watching the video:) If you need to cut a straight line into porcelain tile while it has already been cemented to the floor, is it more or less inclined to chip?
Learn how to cut porcelain tile with a manual angle grinder without chipping. I tested diamond blades to cut a thin sliver in a tile to finish off a tiled fireplace wall. Also see how To Cut Porcelain and ceramic tiles by Hand Without a wet saw - Leave Your Questions and Comments and Enjoy!
you need to use a diamond blade with a continuous rim not the slotted one and youll get a clean cut
Thanks
Cool video, i thought you could be able to cut like this
I applaud your cutting and effort friend.. how ever.. I have used variable speed grinders, spesific made tile grinders.. new and old diamond discs aswell as others.. even cut in a tub of liquid to stop dust chipping.. nothing will cut a polished porcelain tile without chipping..
EXCEPT..
I paid about 20$ for a budget tile cutter.. from the tiniest pieces, mosaic size at times.. cuts like a clean laser no chipping and quick.. also no dust or possibilities of having to save up for a prosthetic hand, as grinders are more u predictable than a hungry girlfriend 😎
What is this budget tile cutter, can u share the name of it, so i can check it out
Over 90% of grinder accidents are because the guard wasn't attached.
Try a 4 or 4 and half inch Norton Brand dry cut blade. The best in my opinion.
Will check it out. Just for a new saw
You make this look so easy! Im a lefty so I made everything weird lol. Do you find its easier without the guard?
More difficult with guard imo
Man, I just wish you were wearing a mask, even if you’re cutting outdoors it’s clouding up right at your face height. This stuff is seriously killer to breath in 😩
True. Educational 101, PPE.
Doctors can't remove this from lung tissue. Material will penitrate the flesh. Wonderful video. Thanks for taking time to do. I needed this information
An N95 mask will avert pulmonary silicosis--a lethal lung disease!
Can't believe no mask, gloves and worst of all, no guard!! Asking for a serious accident. I recently read about someone doing the same and he died when it shattered and cut his jugular. If he had a guard and mask it wouldn't have happened. I understand its hard to work with the guards but they are so important
Not every man squats to piss
You bought even see his face when he was cutting so we don’t know if he was wearing a mask
I have some 24x24" floor tiles 8mm deep, I need to cut about 2mm off the entire edge of 1 final tile due to the shape of the wall, is a grinder sufficient t for trimming such a small edge off or is it more aggressive then a wet saw?
Wet saw will make it easier if you've never done it. If it's just one tile and that edge is facing the wall where it will be grouted I'd use hand grinder.
Thanks, I tried with both a wet saw and a grinder, the grinder gave better results due to less chipping, I am laying a floor for a host of mine who provided tools, I think the wet saw is not very good, and perhaps not powerful enough even with a diamond blade, so we will hire a bigger better one and try again, the floor is 80sq m over 3 rooms with not a straight wall in sight
Yea the wet tile saw I have won't fit 24x24 tiles. I'd say use a hand grinder and put 3 layers of painters tape as a guide so u don't accidentally scratch the edge then use a 80 grit stone to smooth the edge.
Thx
You're welcome
High Lung silicosis( permanent damage) risk without respiratory protection with dry cutting especially
Death. Risk Resulting from a plethora of random events. 😃
I always use Ruby porcelain cutter, its extremely smooth and faster job.
I'll have to try
@@InvestorTheory sure worth it, and silent than angle grinder
You should have used same grinder each time with different blades. How are we to know that each grinder is spinning at same rpm’s?
They both are good for cuts that will be covered up.
Yes but of cuts I do usually are not.
Do you have a link for the mounding please? I m looking for it too
mounding? sorry im not following
You mean molding?
@@311mdub ye
the older blade is a continuous rim and will definitely cut smoother than the turbo, the only reason it did not is because its older and you probably never dressed the blade. when cutting hard materials the diamonds get clogged and you need to use a blade dresser to remove the clogs. so yes the smoother blades will cut smoother but the turbo will cut faster....
How does one dress a blade
@@InvestorTheory you can purchase dressing stones which are specifically designed to expose back the diamonds on a blades edge. There are oxide and resin based stones. In the old days I guess before these stones one just ran the blade thru a cinder block or maybe a paver kind of thing, this removed the materials that can glaze over a blade. I use the resin stones for my wetsaw blade every 50 cuts or so and it makes a huge difference especially when cutting these hard porcelains....
Wow thanks, I will have to tell this to my handyman who will be cutting porcelain stoneware tiles for my home. I doubt he ever worked with that kind of tile. @@vapdivrr5656
It’s easy to clean the Diamond blades with acid, the tiny particles that are stuck onto the diamonds dissolve, but be sure to neutralize with bicarbonate of soda.
@@jeffhughes6167 its a good idea but when I'm cutting hard porcelain and lots of cuts, I'm dressing the blade a few times a day, how would you do this with acid? I would imagine you would have to remove the blade, soak and neutralize then install it back on saw?
what do you do about the chipped edge though.
If u get a chipped edge and u must keep tile u can use course drywall sanding pad or a sanding stone to smooth out the edge and remove some of chips.
grinder may have cheap low quality bearing causing tiles to chip, I would be more convinced if you used both blades on one grinder
Good call, I'll do that for comparison, but its' been quite some time and I've done a lot of projects with 3 different grinders and it appears that it's not the grinders, the culprit always appears to be the blades. And unfortunately it's takes way too long to cut on the wet saw .
I have a huskvarna wet tile saw and having problems cutting porcelain. I have a continues rim blade. I bought a cheep turbo blade to no avail. I have a topline pro Knaufman tile scorer that easily cuts porcelain. Its the thin bits I need to over come. Both blades in this video still leave too many chips. Perhaps its the quality of the tile. Good quality porcelain I don't even see the chips. The best blades I believe are a continues rim with a pattern so water encapsulates and keeps work piece wet and dust free as much as possible. Turbo seems to chi.You can always clean edge with a diamond pad. Rub on a angle to remove as many chips as possible.
Makita make a cordless circular saw with a bottle on top. use with a track fence for accurate cuts. Rubi make one such saw with fence.
Just take care with your lungs and the blade cover that is not on the bosch. Great video.
does it matter which grinder we use? most are $40 i heard some faster rpm ones are worst than better
If you are going to this for a living, using it everyday buy a good like makita or dewalt between 600w to 700w (6 AMPS), they are small ones and ligther to hold with one hand which is very comfortable, specially if you are a woman. If you buy a bigger one like 1000W (10 AMPS) or bigger they are heavier and will get you tired easily. or If you just want to do this just for hobby buy a cheap one between 500w to 600w (5 AMPS).
@@vaguincolombia what kind of blade for to cut ceramic is that an a Makita angle grinder
Is how you buy it ?
@@luzoleary7868 Luz for cutting ceramic the best is the continuous rim diamond blade which is completely round with not grooves on it. And yes thats a makita angle grinder. This is the blade. www.amazon.com/-/es/DEWALT-diamante-azulejos-porcelana-pulgadas/dp/B001M0GBOG/ref=sr_1_13?__mk_es_US=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&crid=27SENV1EXW96W&dchild=1&keywords=continuous+diamond+blade+4.5&qid=1625772777&sprefix=continuous+dimanond+bl%2Caps%2C271&sr=8-13
i have new blade i bought from home depot, and it does not do a super smooth cut no matter what, i mean its cut but not perfectly i still have little chips, how do i avoid this?
Perhaps it's your grinder, what RPM is it? some blades are designed to spin at certain speeds. check this and good luck
Have you tried puting masking tape on the tile ,mark the masking tape and cut should stop some of the chipping.
I've found that if you cut the tile over a piece of material like plywood, it reduces the blade vibration and really helps with chipping. You can also use a wet stone or buy a diamond file at HD for 12 bucks. you can quickly run over a lightly chipped edge and it cleans up nicely
Thankyou.
TIP: If your tile keeps shattering its due to vibration so just cut it on a piece of carpet.
Did you left grout line, What kind of tile glue did you use, i am planning to stick 48x24 floor tiles on walls. Just for kitchen backsplash hopefully I can cut them with grinder too😬.
Yes u can. Use pl800 its sticks much better than pl3x but both will work.
@@InvestorTheory wow i didnt knew pl800 would work too. so no need for Lft mortar??
All is nice! However, this technique doesn`t work if your task is to split tiles diagonally (for tiling floor towards to drain). It requires a thin grout first (no more than 2mm), and secondly, it`s unpredictable how your tile can "play" when you cutting from or finishing by its corner. Most likely it will tend to chip there. Do you have a technolody how to prevent this, please?
Imagine hearing this sound from your neighbour on weekend lol
U don't know where u live but as a homeowner there are always loud sounds neighbour's make on the weekend such as a lawnmower
@@InvestorTheory oh, it's just a meme lol, although I experience the same thing when my house either neighbour's house got repaired, another meme shows technicians (is this a right word?) builing house like nailing woods, making tile flooring, and making cement wall mixture with a loud upbeat music from speaker
I thought that you were going to include a Dewalt diamond tipped blade in the test. Maybe I read the description wrong.
Score and snap. Done.
U need a good tool for that I had cheaper tile cutters and anything over 12 " half the time ilwould chip or break on me.
What about 2x2" tiles? How can you safely cut them??
Put them in a vise and basically do the same thing??
I'll do a video on that... small tiles are tricky because they move around as you cut them , so you'll need some weight on the side before the line you're cutting. Small tiles i usually am comfortable cutting with one hand and i place a piece of wood or another tile over and it and press it over the edge of the tile im cutting , if you don't want to cut with one hand, press something heavy on it so the tile you're cutting underneath doesn't move, then cut it. let me know if that works.
@@InvestorTheory Sounds great! Thanks!
Is this Peter Brady from The Brady Bunch? Lol
on the screen the thing you built looks like it could just be wetwall... espeacially with the edging it doesn't look like stone
Wetwall? The tile has a matt finish so it doesn't reflect the potlights.
If the goal was strictly to test the blades, you really need to use the same grinder for each to eliminate that as a potential source of variation. The different grinders will likely have different blade speeds and more or less blade wobble than each other.
This is nuts. Comparing two blades on 2 different machines? One which is old glazed over and in need of dressing? Lol
How can to order how much the price the one set
one set of what? please look in the descriptions for relevant links to blades
Does it matter if I have Ryobi?
I guess my ass should watch the whole video before asking questions 😂
Try a diamond blade Tile is like glass. 1 time cut, then tap it Should break off even
This is a diamond blade
OK i didn't see any diamonds on it tho, They do wear off
I think a clamp would be a good idea.....😮
A couple of minutes on a sander will clean a ragged edge right up.
I didn't even know that's a thing. What grit and by hand or electric sander
Porcelain and ceramic are the same material?
You sound like a kanaka? You from the islands?
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I have a Ryobi with a new masonry diamond blade and it just could not cut it. (Pun intended)
The next day I had to use the grinder with a diamond blade for tile cutting and the tiles looked like a Parrot fish got hold of them. Both grinder and blades are new. It might just be Ryobi, but I've never liked Ryobi. It was an emergency purchase and a waste of money
Maybe the ryobi isn't fast enough. When pressing don't force it just let it do the work on its own and score it 8 times to cut through.
Ryobi uses yellow now? I always thought their tools are green. Trying to copy Dewalt?
I saw that too, probably a knock off Chinesium angle grinder, ran out or Dawolt stickers and slapped on Rynobi one instead
If home Depot sells knock offs, someone should tell them!
For straight cuts you’re better off with a good scribe cutting bed. Grinding is noisy, dusty, slow, chips edges, just bad.
Not everyone wants to buy $200 piece of equipment for a single project but I agree
Glasses and gloves guys. Don't F around and find out. 🤓😜
You do not have to go through all of this, if you measure the central line correctly from the beginning. So you can get at least 15cm at the edge, will easily cut by tile cutter. Another point, it's impossible to get clean cut with dry angle grinder.
Thanks for your input, I dont understand your 15 cm tip.. but I get very clean cuts with my grinder , I have to go slow but it does work.
Exactly, learn how to set out and you won't be left with tiny crap slither cuts
@@scottrobinson5594 Too bad you arm chair qbs are a shit stain at explaining what you bitchin about.
Can I cut sink.
yes, grinder cuts steel, aluminum,brick, tile, granite, carpet, even wood,
Why does my dewalt grinder with a diamond blade spark like crazy cutting tile? Is that normal. I see no sparks with your blade
IT depends on the tile actually....not the blade necessarily...I have used that same blade on a matte ceramic tile the other day and there are sparks flying...but others not so much, if you want to avoid sparks and are concerned you can kind of make your grinder into a protable wet saw. Make sure you draw your line with a fine perma marker and then have someone pour water from a cup as you cut, this will certainly ensure you won't get sparks...but you'll have to get someone to help..don't do it on your own! your hand may slip and you'll mess up your tile easily or worst cut yourself.
spray water before you start.
After first cut, you need to have 2 degree miter away from workpieces.
thanks, can you elaborate...
@@InvestorTheory I think he means that you have to rotate the blade 2 degrees away from the edge that has to be neat on the tile. Otherwise you accidentally bump the neat edge in the following passes and mess them up a bit. It’s just what i think he’s trying to say but i don’t have experience with this. Though if you’re going to caulk the corners in a bathroom for example then it doesn’t need to be neat anyway, it will be hidden then.
I agree with this. I do this myself. Just tilt the blade slightly away from the edge in the successive cuts.
Then afterwards polish the edge with some diamond resin pads and push the pads against the edge and that should take care of most small chips
where'd you get the panda hat tho
Haha wish.com
Good tilers don’t leave sliver cuts. It makes jobs look amateurish.
I'm a Do it yourselfer, not a tiler
InvestorTheory fair enough 👍 but you can still do it the correct way in future even if you are a “do it yourselfer”. Typical scenario is never start on a full tile, never leave sliver cuts up down left or right. It just makes a job look poorly planned or lazy 👍. Thanks for the video 😎
What would happen if you wet tile first
it wont do much unless you keep redipping it or have someone pouring water as you cut, but if you're going that route, you may as well get a wet saw.
Would be better if you did video with both new blades
How do you get into a corner
Explain further
@@InvestorTheory you can't get in a corner...say with a cabinet to cut tile....how do you do that?
Why not make a light cut then snap it
Higher risk of breaking tile without the proper equipment
Yeah, sorry, to me that doesn't really prove what you seem to be arguing. I would prefer to see you use the bosch for both jobs, since the ryobi is a cheaper grinder/brand anyway. So perhaps what you're really testing here is the bosch grinder vs the ryobi... which no savvy person would ever buy!
Pearl blades (west coast anyway), water, and polishing wheel.......home depot is really poor quality for professional blades.....
Need to go to tile, stone supplier and see what they sell......
Thx for the insight
You look like peter brady
Thx
Shouldn't you be scoring the top and cutting through from the bottom?
Never seen this done. How do you go about it?
I've never heard it done like that
No offence but isn't this a bit old hat. I used to use a dry cut angle grinder over 30 years ago when I first started tiling. When they brought the inexpensive small table top wet cutters out it was a god send. Just use a proper tile wet cutter. No chips. No dust because the water keeps it cool and dust free.
Most jobs have edgings on the tiles so this is the most used method for doing efficient cutting. Wet tile saw is very slow and only used in places where you'll see exposed edges.
I found the cheap table saw to be useless. They have no power only good for thin small tiles. I took it back for a refund.
hand shaking while cut make chip on line
what is in the back of your backyard bro, looks like a dump
The city was putting up a sound wall, i moved a lot of rubbish against it as they were collecting and removing it all anyways. Saved me on junk removal costs.
My tile keeps cracking
You're pressing too hard and too fast, slow it down , by hand takes a little more patience, about 6 runs up the tile sometimes.
If you measured your tiles before starting you would not have been left with such small cuts at the top.
Good idea
No excuse for having such a sliver to be cut, before even thinking about fitting a tile to the wall the whole area should be measured and marked out to avoid horrendous little cuttings, fail to prepare - prepare to fail!!!🖖😁
I've cut slivers that are .5 inches many many times
WHERE IS THE SAFE GUARD ???
I tend to do a lot of intricate cuts and i need to get into crevasses, a safe guard doesn't allow you to do it. Most professional skilled contractors do this, although its definitely not something recommended unless you know how to handle your tools.
Just buy a tile cutter for 100 $ , get definitely better results
Got one for 300. But 100 cutter won't necessary give u a cuter that won't cracked your tiles.
The tile blade works better than the non tile blade go figure
Why could you tile in the TV how dumb! What if you want to put USB HDMR cables? If you want change TV you have to break all the tiles. Don't see the logic. Great job tho. WELL DONE FOR SHARING ❤
I would never do what you suggested in this manner, esch project has different ways of being done, if u need to leave space for cables u can use a plastic tube and later feed them through anytime
No Guard on One Grinder, Why Not
In order to get into tighter spaces or go a little deeper, the guard comes off. I also have another grinder with a guard. I use one of the other depending on application.
That’s not a dewalt blade
be safe dont use grinder without gard .
Too much pressure bro. You have to have patience with it
Thanks for the tip