The Furry Drama that NEVER ENDS
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- In the wise words of The Giant from Twin Peaks; it is happening again. Today we talk about the recently resurfaced furry drama of poodling in fursuit and the arguments from both side of the debacle.
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Please let me know if I covered everything in the realm of this drama fully. My goal is to potentially squash the drama entirely and use this video as a reference for if it happens in the future. Though obviously knowing how furry drama goes it's bound to happen again. Regardless, any feedback is greatly appreciated!
As someone who just enjoys the community from a distance I feel like this is more of, “I’ve done it this way for ages so everyone has to!”
The drama is bad but i think you covered everything
Just remember: You can only wear your animal costumes in the exact way that _I_ dictate.
If you break my list of 3000 rules on fursuiting, then... *>:I*
I like the reverse poodling suggestion, if only I had a body suit to wear X'D I do find it funny that the fiasco of 2019 came from less than 1% of posts on poodling, that's like, nothing. Goddamnit, social media. XD
"Don't ruin the magic" Don't forget that not too long ago, there was that whole drama where a mute fursuiter stumbled into a person at the rave at a con, and something in their costume poked the other person, and rather than stay and tell them it wasn't a needle, we got a whole freaking weekend of "SOMEONE IS STABBING SUITERS WITH NEEDLES". The whole damn thing could have been avoided it that suiter had broken the magic.
I'm not a Disney employee, I'm a weirdo with a hobby. I'm not being paid to fursuit, so I'm gonna wear my gear however the heck I want
REAL
I can’t explain how right this comment!
THIS :3
I think that mentality of "keep the magic" is for a mascot. If you went to Disneyland and saw Mickey Mouse, sure that's amazing. But if he took off his head then that would break the magic. It was one of the rules in the park. It was always for the kids in the park so they would have a good time. I think this mentality was designed with others in mind not the person in costume.
That and furries use to be more about holding the magic in the past but have started to switch to being more reasonable. If I'm overheating and can't make it to the headless lounge or my hotel room, I'm taking the head off
and even then there's a Limit to that, we're still fairly vulnerable and heatstroke is still a thing that exists, all this stuff just like at work should be done safely.
if someone even says "I didn't die, therefore you should do the same", I'm probably not gonna listen to that guy.. there's a couple red flags going on there, first is their priority and second, there's definitely some survivorship bias going on there and I'm not one to tempt fate in the case that I were someone more vulnerable to heat or breathing or some other health problems/complications, that could send me to the hospital or worse, just for some idiot who has a big head and bigger ego than their fursuit.
I really need to go back into the fray and research this aspect of the fandom again. There appears to be a new rise of entitlement towards suiting in particular. My data needs to be pristine. Don't need to dive into the costs of the products and shit, just the community interaction and personal biases data need updating.
These people love forgetting that a person fainting from heatstroke being taken away in an ambulance 'ruins the magic' more.
@@DystopianOverture it adds to the magic and shows dedication. makes it even more realistic, as if your persona is actually going to the hospital.
Honestly, the whole hating on poodling debate ONLY has any traction when talking about mascot costumes. As in, most of these rules do actually apply when you play as a character as a job or something like that. But when it’s for a personal hobby, you can do whatever you want because it’s for yourself and not (usually) for anyone else.
Yeah like at Disneyland you could say it's bad for a mascot to take their head off out of nowhere in the middle of a crowd. But acting like furries have to abide by the same dress code is ridiculous. The actors in mascot costumes get paid to be sweaty and hot, you do not. You don't have to subject yourself to an uncomfortable experience just because some people think it's a furry carnal sin to poodle!
Yeah and some people probably can’t handle the heat of a fursuit and could get heat stroke/exhaustion or another medical condition and they’re just..expensive. I’d be lucky to get a pair of hand paws.
@@dataexpunged93N15 Exactly! “The magic” they’re talking about is meant for theme parks and stage shows. Furries just wanna have fun in their own personal way and there’s nothing wrong with that. They can choose how they want to appear themselves. :)
Yup. Honestly that was my first argument against the "actor" thing.
Do you want them to wear suit until end of the "show"? Pay them the rate actor would get.
@@dataexpunged93N15louder for the people in the back!!
Remember kids: forcing yourself to be sweaty and hot during a convention doesn't make you cooler or better than people who poodle! The person who described the "con death walk" really irked me, like just because they thought they couldn't poodle or didn't want to, that doesn't make other people cowards for actually wanting to have fun at a con and not having to constantly think "GOD I CANT WAIT UNTIL I CAN GET THIS THING OFF" or putting your face into a fan every time you encounter a headless lounge because you're so uncomfortable.
As a better comparison, suiting is more like wearing a halloween costume than being a character actor. The public is not entering a space expecting you to be x character like at a theater or disneyland. You just so happen to be wearing that costume for your own enjoyment and there coincidentally happen to be public onlookers. The only one you're in "social contract" to is yourself, and if that necessitates taking a break and "breaking the magic", then so be it.
I'd say it's somewhere in between wearing a halloween costume and character acting, but not in a way that affects your argument. If you have to de-suit you have to de-suit.
And amusement parks get away with not "breaking the magic" by having multiple out-of-the-way places for character actors to de-suit. If you're at a convention you have the option of the Headless Lounge (though it's not always convenient) but if you're just out in public (or at a convention but you're too far away from the lounge) you don't have that luxury. So do what you need to do to stay safe and healthy.
no, it's not. Because all of that is because there is an agreement made. Actors and character actors GET PAID. And that alone is the difference. No one is paying anyone to do this and, to be blunt, you don't owe /anyone/ a single thing
@@LokasennaCole
Wrong thread? I don't see anyone here arguing for "not breaking the magic". If that was directed at me then you completely misread what I said, and if that was directed at the OP then you REALLY misread what they said.
@@VestedUTuber no. I was talking to op. who said it's like character acting, except it's not, because character actors get paid.
@@LokasennaCole
"As a better comparison, suiting is *_more like wearing a halloween costume_* than being a character actor."
That's saying the _opposite_ of what you're claiming they said.
Personally, I have asthma and I overeat easily so I need to poodle and take off my head frequently and take breaks so I don’t ducking combust. I don’t get why people say poodling is bad because it’s “bReAkiNg tHe mAgiC” and that’s their only reason why it’s bad.
Passing out on the floor would ruin the "magic" even more
My take on poodling has always been "if you aint gonna pay for the rest of my suit with a full cooling kit, then dont bother me"
L, imagine telling someone how to express themselves
Edit: my bad, I understand what you were trying to say now!
To be fair, partial suiting is not poodling. If you don’t have a fullsuit, you may just partial suiting. I’ve done that for years before I managed to afford a body suit
@@aq_uafor real, it's their custom made animal costume. Let them where it how they want.
@@aq_ua thats kinda what I am trying to say. I dont think if I cant afford a full or even partial and I am just chilling out with a head, people shouldnt try to dictate anything especially if they arent the ones having to pay for it. Idk if it sounded like I was trying to say otherwise in my initial comment.
@@itsavince7341 true, I still think though if someone is poodling, like if they just have a head I dont think it should be an issue.
It's just like public schools, you show a speck of skin showing and they dress-code you.
Beta is the type of guy to note every Twitter drama down and share it.
X drama.
Jesus that new name sucks so badly xD
@@sonicexer1856 I prefer twitter
Almost, but yes
X drama 💀
As someone who has health issues and is sensitive to heat, this makes me feel so weird 😭
I'm the same, and please, don't give in the pressure. What matters is that you have fun and don't hurt yourself and others imo
same, i HATE heat so i don’t care what some “fat, old, and very out of shape” guy thinks… i’m NOT risking a heat stroke just for someone else to go “ooooooh, aaaaaaaah😻”
I'm an Aussie fursuiter (death wish, I know) and I don't understand people who say "poodling is breaking the magic". If it was 36*c outside at my local convention and I'm overheating but still want to wear my fursuit, like hell I'm gonna put my massive carpet with padding on as well. my local well-known con is set around April/May and it may be Autumn but it's Autumn, next to a beach, IN AUSTRALIA. is still bloody hot and I'm still gonna wear a tank and shorts with my head and paws.
I agree. If you NEED to take the suit off or the head... TAKE THE DAMN THING OFF!! Or coordinate your suiting to the weather so you don't feel like you're frying yourself like an egg on the sidewalk.
Due to the nature of the furry fandom being heavily about creativity and artistry, I feel that anything that allows more expression is, generally, a good thing. So therefore, whether it be due to resources, health, comfort, or any other reason (or no reason at all!), if you want to poodle, feel free to do so! This ultimately makes a more free and open experience and, in my opinion, less intimidating for others who might themselves be interested.
I didn't know wearing half of your fursuit was named poodling man I'm new to the fandom and I've been in it for about a year ☠️
same lol
I've been in the fandom for 18 years and I just learned "poodling" from this video right now. (but "don't ruin the magic" has been around for forever; probably was a much bigger sin in the past than now)
@@Trendyflute same just learned poodling from this video and at this point don't ruin the magic is everywhere because of Disney which I don't think furries and Disney are related
I think it’s because of the way poodles are shaved to the skin but have puffs of hair.
@@kirinmacneil7173 like a poodle 🐩
Love when people take the fun out of the fun
Thats not fun anymore thats at this point!
Fursuiting is a form of self expression, is it not? I don’t see why someone should get so upset at how others are expressing themselves.
But what do I know? I’m just a dumb kid.
I've started going to IRL meets again after nearly a 10 year break, and the mood is so much more relaxed. Back then the group organisers were absolutely in the "don't break the magic" camp and would make anyone suiting change in the toilets or a side room somewhere, and would actually threaten to ban people for removing parts of their fursuits in public or wearing partials/poodling. Nowdays everyone just puts on their suits in the open, walks around headless when needed, nobody cares and it's a much better mood all around.
Wish I was where you are! Our local meet group did the same in reverse, started out really chill but now the rules list is 20 pages long. Guy who runs it literally took the rulebooks of all the cons they could find and combined all the rules. He's also really ban happy, and if you ask for a rule check, you're banned on the spot for "rules lawyering". It's nuts.
Chronic-Illness, Fursuiter peep here! My meds and conditions literally prevent me from sweating properly; I'm gunna poodle!
I could care less "what the public" thinks about me! And I won't hesitate to break the precious magic, for the sake of my health, safety and comfort. It beats having the embarrassment of having everyone see me in a stretcher 😂
imo it comes froma place of ignorance and being thought that pushing your preference on other is ok,
entitlement could a problem too,
and to be honest i really think in some cases some furs want the whole community to nosedive into escapism because they want to escape from their life situation themselves and cant bear that people in the furry community are humans aswell, so they just force their own preference on others
It's not a death walk until you do a fursuit parade in Arizona in the summer when it's 110° out. But my view on this is until you pay me. I will wear what I want. How I want
Its sad that furry drama never stops
Almost every community of a large size will have its fair share of drama. Too many people actively seek it out for it to NOT happen. 😅
There's like a whole secret fandom of furry drama followers where even non furries are glued to the drama. 😂
@@WhiteWolfos can confirm. every con and meet in my area has a "drama chat" where they watch and share drama because they think knowing about it makes it easier to spot "troublemakers", but it just leads to harassment and people being ostracised for basically just disagreeing with each other
I have a medical condition where my neurological function is affected by the heat. Poodling's gonna be necessary for me as I do wanna fursuit, but I also need to manage my thermals. I'm having active cooling engineered into the headpiece and such, but exposing the skin's still necessary. An idea though is to double the clothing I wear as a means of 'cosplay'
I'm not going to lie I was very anxious about this very thing when attending Anthro Con. I just went to my second one this year, it was my second time suiting in public and as someone out of shape it was really difficult to wear my suit for extended periods of time. Even though it was a partial, it still made things difficult for me, because learning how to breathe while being in a stuffy fursuit head for hours isn't something I'm used to. But I had to take a lot of breaks, where I'd settle down against a wall in one of the hallways or in the corner of dealers' den and had to take off my partial. And when i'd do it I caught a lot of people giving me that 'side-eye' kind of look. I was really proud of myself when I did the parade, my first one. I had to really push myself and I'm ngl by the end I think I was verging on heat exhaustion, but man, I shouldn't have to feel anxious just for taking care of myself. Y'know? My need of feeling comfortable and breathing triumph over 'not ruining the magic' Lol.
This is why I started doing comic cons. They just don't care about the "magic" or whatever. You're a fluffy animal, they want a photo with you, and that's all they really care about. It's so much more chill!
All that butthurt over suiters "poodling" just makes me want to do it.
And I don't even have a fursuit.
I get that way when I hear anyone say, "Dont do X thing that doesn't change anything!" alot
I kinda prefer partials like aesthetically. Because I like anthropomorphic creatures to take on more human characteristics like wearing clothes. And while i have seen people fullsuited with aperal on top of the body unless it was custom tailored, they tend to not look right to me. Don't get me wrong, I want to have a full suit at some point. But I can see myself choosing partial most of the time, and if I get agitated with having too many things touching my skin, I'm probably doing poodleing
It sucks to hear people dictate to other people how to experience something, in gaming we call this “gate keeping” just do what you enjoy screw what randoms think
It's called the same thing in furry too. So many furries do it, it's tiresome
we should start a go fund me for people who dont agree with poodling so they can donate to people's fursuit funds, since they want to tell people how to wear them
I just simply don't go on Twitter
Facts
I dont even want twitter
Same I have an account for Twitter I
Said in my bio that I use the app to find furry art but I just use google 😅
I use it very rarely
Ι don't have Twitter and I'm proud
I did share my poodling pictures from Anthrocon '22 at the inflatable channel because I don't want to pop any of the squeaks, especially they're expensive and these are not mine. The one furry who liked my picture but he wish I wasn't poodling. That made the squeaky furs ticked off and then he sent me a DM trying to apologize.
Your not a wimp if you poodle, some people have lower heat tolerance, I poodle because my suits unfinished, I noticed that most people actually don’t care. If your fursuiting around young children I noticed they still think your real if you don’t have paws or a tail.
Unless you're paying me, I will break the magic as needed. I'm easily suspectable to heat exhaustion and I'm not going to put my health at risk like that. Also, yeah, that's super ableist to say that. Just because one person can doesn't mean everyone has the ability to. I'm so tired of this fight and I've only been in the fandom for two years...
As a cosplayer, I feel like I've seen this argument in the cosplay space too. People who expect you to be always on, in character, 100% photo ready at conventions are a drain. We are not paid actors, nor are fursuiters. If someone wants to have a personal dedication to the craft, great. Some of us just like playing dress up and want to eat our overpriced convention hall chicken tenders in peace 😂
Once I stopped putting myself through misery to keep "in character" I enjoyed cosplay more, and became less of a diva to be around during convention day. This is fun!! It's supposed to be fun!!
It's wild that this is still going on. A con I worked had a rule about it - "to preserve the experience of fursuiting". There were a bunch of medical calls from people having heatstroke. Anyway it was always the biggest attendee complaint, so I raised the idea of removing the rule in a staff idea jam. I was stunned when the whole security team and a bunch of other teams threatened to resign if the rule was removed, and that as staff I had to enforce the rules "whether I liked it or not". I apologised, said I couldn't bring myself to tell someone how to fursuit when we weren't paying them to do it, and asked why the people resigning felt the way they did (to try and find a compromise). Con fired me, and handed me a 2-year ban for "threatening the safe running of the event". It was wild. I still have all the emails and Telegram messages.
As fun as the magic is your health always takes priority. Paramedics will destroy your expensive rug because all they care about is saving your life. Take breaks when needed! As for someone poodleing (poodleing? Poodling?) If it really bothers you then I'd suggest you ignore it. Its not hurting you in anyway.
Your health > ⭐The magic⭐
The tweet that said actors and fursuiters are the same thing and that the public expects you to be kept in character while you're out and about... I'm sorry, but no. YOU, as the fursuiter, are the only person who gets to decide whether you want to be in character while wearing your fursuit, and for how long. The public seriously doesn't give a shit.
Yeah some public people don't care. Only thing I'd criticize is intentionally removing your head in front of a child just to scare them for no reason. That's the only thing I have issue with.
But poodling and partialing isn't an issue
And taking your stuff off while out and about, is fine
Thats why I dont like twitter
You mean X
Imagine trying to tell someone how they should express themselves
I get it if it was for school or work as there are dress codes.
While it used to be encouraged in cons before to keep up the overall magic for youth there's no reason for it anymore. Most social groups have mitigated into their own small bubbles.
This kind of ignores Furries with Fursonas like mine that have human hands and feet, if I just have a Fursuit head I can just put on some orange pants and t shirt wear my Fursona's typical clothing consisting of rubber gloves a lab coat and rubber boots, not every Fursona has beans and digigrade legs.
There's a distinct difference between typical fursuiters and professional actors. In theaters or places like Disney World, actors are compensated and their costumes are supplied. This isn't the case for most fursuiters.
“Don’t break the magic” sound like something that came from people who worked as a character at Disneyland.
As a disabled fursuiter, I can only do a partial. It’s all I can physically handle. I recently had to switch to a more toony foam head because my semi realistic resin head just got too difficult to wear. I’m glad partial suits and poodling is a thing, or I wouldn’t be able to suit at all.
This is always funny to me. I am just glad to enjoy my suit without dying. I do enjoy Poodling.
I need to know where you got that little gray plushie in the background like yesterday, the one next to the squishmallow? It's ADORABLE
Why do I really want to have a poodle fursona and partial suit and go around to conventions purposely poodling, just to mess with these "NO POODLING EVER!1!1!" people? I can just imagine it now: They come up to me and start going on about me poodling, then my handler and I just give them a stare and I say "But I'm a POODLE sona, with a POODLE suit." Alas, these situations live on only in my imagination
Do it
The fundamental thing these people don't get is that fursuiting exists to express yourself, not to put up a show for others.
Out of all the problems we have in the world, humanity always seems to pick the lowest possible thing to argue about.
poodling is basically shaving your fur or heard. not the end of the world
as a non-furry, this is captivating/fascinating/crazy
I'm missing my ovary and fallopian tube on my right side. I am also plus size. This causes me to overheat extremely easily due imbalanced hormones. Though I don't consider myself disabled. Many disabled people / those with medical issues also rely on pooling to stay safe. Honestly I'd rather break the magic rather than pass out and get hurt in a con space.
I'm sorry but i couldn't help but notice how your left ear was bright red-
I don't care either way poodling, keeping the magic, doesn't matter to me at all. whatever makes you happy.
Another point to being to the table is I feel like people who care about “breaking the magic” also fail to understand that fursuiting is not for those who look upon fursuiters. Fursuiting is meant for the suiters in question. Yea there are those who fursuit in part to act for those who look upon them, but not everyone is obligated to do that. It’s the same argument for respecting a suiter’s well being/personal space; they aren’t there for you, they are there because they want to have a good and fun time in their fursuit.
(P.s. I feel like I’ve heard you and others on UA-cam bring up the point I’ve made here)
This is like when someone comes to visit from Arizona and tells you your 90° degree weather is "not that hot"
Screw you, im dying of heat.
I do kind of get it to an extent? Like if a full suiter is trying to make an atmosphere of "the magic" or whatever, a poodle showing up will disrupt that for those full suiting. In a way it makes the full suiters efforts diminished and they're sweating in their suits for nothing.
Idk. Anyone know any suit makers who make toony suits for scalies?
I'm trying to finish my head before I go to the con near me, and I don't think I'm gonna make my arms in time before then, as I'll be away for work for three weeks, only to return 3-ish days until the con.
Tbh, as an artist who often designs anthro characters but doesn't consider himself a furry, I gotta ask...at what point is a character not considered a furry/costume not a fursuit?
Like what if you had a character that CANONICALLY didn't have fur covering their whole body, like say just the lower half of the legs + a tail and... I dunno, upper half of the head is a skull with fluffy ears sticking out, lower half is just shadow and could be portrayed via very thin, breathable black fabric. Then they legit canonically wear extremely breathable clothes, like a crop top and shorts
Would something like that not be allowed, if not then why?
As someone who went to AC this year and a local Pennsylvanian, I can concur that the high heat, high humidity, and the smog from the north were definitive issues in any place that wasn't the dealer's den or hotel areas that weren't lobbies.
Our group had a few full suiters and partials and I saw them as impressive either way. Everyone knows it's someone under it all and should be accepting that they have the right to be comfortable wherever they can.
It was an incredible 1st con for me, and the people in cute costumes of any shape, size, or amount of fabrics covering their body were amazing to see in-person, and makes me want to get something of my own, too.
i just pulled out another tooth thanks for the help with youre vids keeping me calm :)
Personally i don't care if fursuiters puddle or not, fursuits are cool and cute af already c:
Normie here, whats the deal with all the suits? Partial, full body, head and paws, I thought at most there were 3 peace’s to a suit but why are there so many. And on that note, why are there so many classifications for ways to use those parts? I just don’t get it
I’m busy making my first suit and it’s only going to be a partial. It becomes like 35°C in my country on the regular during summer, but I freaking swear that I will wear shorts and a T-shirt to stay cool. Let that skin shine.
Lot of folks that dont pay my bills seem to have a lot of opinions on what i do and do not get to do with my stuff
As a child just learning about fursuiting. I didn’t like poodling or partial fursuiting because I didn’t see the point of not going all they way with the costume. Getting older and learning about what goes into fursuiting. I learned why it’s done and kind that full suiting is like almost a special thing because the whole thing is expensive and even with ice vests and fans it’s still warm and exhausting to do.
I now have three partials and no full suits. I am also one of the people who wants to push that it’s okay to wear a crop top when fur suiting. Like it’s what ever is comfortable for the fur suiter!
The only time it is comparable to an acting job is what the fursuiter is being paid.
I was paid to wear an anthro cow costume for a farm show. When I was ready for a break I was walked to the handicap bathroom to change and we hid the suit in a bag so the magic wasn’t broken.
Lol like why would I pay thousands of dollars for a costume, a hotel, and a convention pass to not have fun and be comfortable but to entertain other people for free? If I have to do that I’m getting a guitar case to drag with me and charging for photos 😂
I'm glad you keep us up to date on the 'furry drama'! 🙂👍
maybe there could be like Strict areas of no poodling, and then mostly just casual dress. just to have some soaces for amazing photos ( and to reduce the distance suiters need to walk to get those amazing pics)
The only reason I don't wear a full fursuit is because I don't have the money for it. And I feel like that is the case for many people. I do try to partial though as it's my personal preference for myself to not poodle. But I have absolutely no problem with others poodling. They're being comfortable and they're enjoying themselves. So there's really no problem. Doesn't take away the love and creativity of the suit
It's a hobby, there's no rules, anyone who thinks otherwise can shut up about it.
Unless you have some serious debate skills or something, you’re never going to win arguments with social media’s drama kings/queens.
Im planning to make a partial fursuit, and i want to have cool different outfits, but somehow i would be "poodling" since i will have skin showing.
I don't care bro, let people have fun.
Thing must be boring for people is this is what they decide to make drama about.
I got some drama for doings this at blfc 2022 after being in full suit all day the heat had taken it's toll and I still wanted to party and have fun with my suit so I wore my head/paws and 2 people in the elevator kept saying hey you're showing skin over and over after I explained that I was hot and tired from a long day of fursuiting.
I used to feel really self conscious if i wasn't wearing a hoodie. The more i wore a partial fursuit the more confident ive felt. Recently ive started wearing shirts and things without sleeves for the first time since i was a child, so poodling has helped a lot with my confidence.
Also idc, if someone is harrasing me i will take my fursuit head off. No matter the age of the person. Im not going to let myself be harassed by being dedicated to not breaking the magic. People forget you're a real person
I actually did the death walk at AC this year because it was 1. My first furry convention and 2. My first full suit which I had finished 2 days before, but I am in no way against poodling. Hell, after the parade, I went to a restaurant at the block party and walked around with my body suit hanging around my waist. It’s a personal choice.
I don't have a fursuit, and im questioning why the hell are there people who are in the fandom (or not?) thinks furries need to please other people.........by acting or doing a certain thing in fursuit? when actuality its the fursuiter's own character. I didn't join the fandom like that, and if people WANTS to fursuiter's to act or do a certain thing, better cough up some money or keep their mouth shut =\
Im not joking, poodling or anything like this or something that "ruins the magic" people who are complaining better shut up or pay up, because no ones doing this for them they are doing it for them selves their enjoyment! no ones going to do what those guys say and not get paid.
The more you appear in my autoplay, the more I need to update my research data after I finished my projects years back.
Didnt think poodling would cause wars or conflicts...the more ya learn..
I wouldn't care. I'll do what I want, and for those who get bothered by it... they can go eat themselves until there is nothing left of them.
@@WhemenocAlarms best comment I've seen today
It's so stupid to have a problem with pooling. Like, I guess being sweaty and hot is required so you don't ruin tHe MaGiC!!! Please, comfort matters more than if you look 100% like a dog person. Besides, if you really want to argue that it ruins the magic, wouldn't suits with static faces be "ruining the magic" because the suit doesn't move it's mouth as you do? It's all stupid.
Us as humans will often find the most ridiculous things to fight over 😔
I was at anthrocon and yeah, Thursday was a little hazy but the rain washed away most of the smoky air. Although I have been suffering from the poor air quality in the area.
But Sunday wasn’t bad at all. I was on the roof of the convention center and I could even feel the breeze through the fur. It was nice
I remember that last tweet you mentioned. I actually replied to that and I ripped that person a new one. I don't remember signing any kind of contract when I bought my suits from Lemonbrat.
As an outsider, I find it really hilarious that these two genuinely think I or anyone cares that deepy about whether a furry dresses in "full suit" or "partial." I didn't even know what "poodling" was prior to watching this. But as far as I'm concerned, a furry is a furry. Whether they're 100% dressed in a costume, or just half, or even a third or whatever. Or even no suit at all but they just share their furry artwork. It's all the same to me, "Oh so you're a furry? That's cool." I can't imagine most of the "public" thinks any differently. Furry gatekeeping just sounds so bizarre 💀
Every time I watch one of your vids I get a furry dateing app add but all vids are joyful and I watch them at 1 in the morning.
~7:10 As a technician (in training) for live theater, I can confirm, Beta pretty much has the correct read here. Before I go on, and go into a bit more depth about the differences between acting and fursuiting, I want to put a quick TW for "breaking some of the magic of live theater," so you can't say I didn't warn you. Now that the TW is out of the way, a quick disclaimer, I don't have a fursuit myself (although I hope to get one someday), nor do I work in costumes or hair/makeup, so I don't claim to be an expert here, however, I work in lights, and have done ASM (Assistant Stage Manager) and run crew work before, so I know my way around backstage, enough to feel qualified to comment. With the TW and disclaimer done, I can now get on with it. Now, I'm pretty sure that costumes does their best to accommodate for the actor's comfort when making their costume, ie, using relatively light and breathable material, and rarely, if ever, the types of faux fur or other hot and heavy materials that (I believe) are more commonly used in fursuits. From what I understand, most costumes come out feeling like your average, everyday normal clothes, like the ones you probably have on reading this right now. Meanwhile, from what I understand, fursuits are hot, heavy, and don't feel a lot like normal clothes. Another point, fursuiters sometimes, if not often, suit for hours upon hours on end, with little to no break, while it's rare to see a live actor onstage for the entire show, and that's not even taking into account intermission. Typically, the most you'll ever do is two shows a day, with at least an hour in between runs, and, including a 15-20 minute intermission, most shows run from 2 1/2 to 3 hours, with time offstage for each of the actors built in to the script. Additionally, before a show even goes public, actors spend tens of hours practicing in the same controlled environment that they will be performing in. Have you ever gone to a play and felt that the theater was cold? That's on purpose, to help keep the actors cool, because, as a lighting tech in training, I can personally attest that it is HOT under the lights that we use. These aren't your little consumer-grade flashlights or flood lights here, these are professional-grade high intensity lights, each weighing in between 7.5 and 25 pounds, with the vast majority weighing in at 10 or 14 pounds, and each can cost hundreds or thousands of dollars. Meanwhile, fursuiters really only "practice" (here, I mean practice like a pianist practices playing the piano, not like a lawyer practices law) suiting at events, where the environment isn't able to be controlled. One last thing, actors are typically getting compensated for their time, either with money or instruction, and random strangers are coming out and actually paying to watch actors perform, while fursuiters are only being compensated with the enjoyment of suiting, and don't have random strangers coming to watch specifically them fursuit.
Edit: When working backstage, techs wear all black to hide in the darkness. Even during the summer, I typically go fully all black long sleeve/pants clothes, not unlike a full fursuit. This can get REALLY hot, especially as I live in a southern state on the east coast of the US, where summers are hot and humid, and part of my tech outfit includes an all black hoodie, so I understand both the "Don't break the magic" mentality (in my case, don't get spotted), and the "Poodling is better for staying cool when it is hot out" point of view.
I've noticed most furry drama seems to be started by furries just looking for a fight
A washing spins for something to be cleaned a mini gun spins for something to disappear
It's the opposite -_-
That second statement is absolutely ridiculous, and I'm glad most of us agree. I get the comparison to actors, but the difference is:
1) Actors have an environment tailored to their performances, while fursuiters have performances tailored to their environment. HUGE difference already!
2) Actors are getting paid to maintain "professionalism" and showmanship wherever they perform, most fursuiters are not getting paid to do what they do.
The person who made the second tweet is like someone demanding that they have flavored water for free when the flavoring costs money they didn't supply for the free cup of water. 💀
I heard magic and thought of THERE WILL BE NO MORE [Miracles] NO MORE [Magic].
YOU LOST IT WHEN YOU TRIED TO SEE TOO FAR...
...YOU LOST IT...
so yeah I've been playing too much deltarune snowgrave
while I've never had a chance to try a suit, I'd HAVE to poodle or partial, one of my med side effects is excessive sweating and a full suit would be a health risk.
Health risk and if you do sweat a lot, it'll take more work to keep your suit stainless, washed and sanitized. The more soaked rhe suit is the more it needs to be washed to keep it clean
(Even if you don't sweat you wash them. But people that sweat a lot end up having to do more work to keep theirs clean)
6:49 there is a clear difference between people paying to go to a theater, and just seeing a furry on the street. I 100% understand if you paid to see a show and an actor just took a break right there and then (that would be weird), but to compare that to individuals that fursuit for their own enjoyment is odd.
It's like this there are just some people who worry about public opinion over just having fun
The publics opinion about furries is never going to change regardless how bad the fandom wants to be looked at in a better light
These anti-poodlers act like anyone who can't get a full fursuit for being lowerclass or whatever reason shouldn't be able to be a part of the fandom 😭
This stuff is first world problems 😭
it's a small percent to a small percent of ppl in the furry community, don't be worried about it
The theather analogy they used falls flat on the simple basis that when you go see a performance in a theather, you *paid* for it. The actors are getting your money specifically in exchange for their work of wearing the costume and giving you a show, so yeah it'd be disrespectful of them to "ruin the magic" in the middle.
But random suiters on the street? You ain't paid nothing bucko, and you get what you pay for. These people owe you nothing and you're being extremely presumptuous for *demanding* anything.
Fursuiting for free & for fun where you can poodle vs. "fursuiting" as a paying job at a theme park or similar establishment where the magic cannot be ruined under any circumstances. That might make a good vid.
As someone who starts to overheat at 80F°: if poodling keeps me cool, so be it. Plus it's easier to transport and significantly faster to put on and take off if needed.
Additionally: I will be able to keep the functionality of stuff like cargo shorts (and or) pants.
Reverse poodling sounds hilarious, I hope it catches on.
Poodle: 70F+
Partial: 69F-
This is the fursuting preferences in Fahrenheit on what to wear! I can go Partial suiting for quite some time when It’s 30F-69F! It’s so much more comfy to be Poodle and Partial then to be in full suit! Plus I don’t have a body suit! There are kids who don’t have the money to buy or make a body suit! Head, Tail, Paws and Clothes are just right for me and others. Moral of the story is to not force others to put on a Full Body Suit and do the death walk!
I miss when furry was a niche thing and we weren’t expected to care what the public thought of us.
Holy shit I was so wrong on what I thought poodling was 😅
Just let people where their suits however they want, please. Some people have to poodle for health reasons, or even just comfort or pricing.
There was a furry dating app ad before this video👁️👄👁️💅🏻
I mean putting on a full suit being out in public you get a lot more people coming up to you and asking you questions and taking pictures with you and you get noticed a lot more, hugs and boops and all that, see your picture everywhere. I seen it where mentally challenged people have their day come true when they get to hug a full suiter. You just get a ton of attention. Theres some point that you might just want to be a fan yourself and enjoy seeing other furrys yourself not to mention enjoying your friends, its what are you there for? I think its up to the Furry to decide why they are there and what they want others to feel. Its nice to be able to act yourself while in suit.
I only have a partial and love the magic but I have sensory issues and long pants and long sleeves I don’t like unless it’s very cold or I have to wear them so I poodle until I get a fullsuit or it’s winter
The guy saying they do the fursuit parade in 80 degree weather should come down to where I live in 90 and above summers and and try that. I think then they might understand why some people poodle 💀
We should get Jfet to reverse Poodle