That is “Neuvostosotilaiden muistomerkki”, a well documented memorial site in Pori. First, the russian prisoners were guarded by Finnish troops, and prisoners were used to build the local harbor and the airport, but later when Germans took over the Pori airport, they also took the prisoners under their command. Some of the prisoners died in diseases, some in starvation, cold and some were executed.
Finns had a decades-long problem with these wars, and they were not talked about at home, or with friends. The whole generation was lost, many become alcoholic and wounds never healed. I experienced this with both my grandpa’s who were in both wars. This is one reason why such memorials are not in a prime locations. Sure there are war graves in front of many churches, but that’s it.
@@nigelwatson2750 According to a book The Finnish POW and Internee Camp. Handbook, 1939-1944, there were actually two camps for the same prisoners in Pori. The first was under Finnish rule, POW camp 22, located in Mäntyluoto. Five POW’s were lost in this camp. Pori Airport was a German project, and after the harbor project was ready, the POW’s were transferred to a Germans POW camp at the airport.
It isn't something we were taught at school. I've just finished listening to a Doc Malik podcast with Jacob Nordangard. He mentions the bankers wars and how they funded both sides. Worth a listen if you haven't already heard it 👍🏻
Forgetting the travesties of history, Is the exact reason they are often recommitted, again Albeit, different countries, or circumstances, but recommitted nonetheless, all over again. Tho this short video on Finnish history has no direct bearing on myself, I thank you Nigel for posting it… History, regardless of how awful, should never try to be erased. Prayers for the souls lost during the Winter War, and WWII. 💞💞🙏🙏🙏💞💞
I've known about this for some time but politely declined to mentioned it with Finn friends. You're a brave man Nigel. I did say in my last utterance that all countries should face up to their history because their opponents have long memories but let those among us who are completely innocent cast the first stone.
No shame in defending one’s homeland. Beggars can’t be choosers. P.S. It’s akin to The Trolley Problem. Solution: choose the least bad option for YOU & YOURS.
There was an American Historian and Sociologist who's name I forget, he calculated that in the 20th Century alone over 2 Billion Humans were killed in War.
The Moscovites should be happy that there is a memorial for their barbaric troops. I wonder how many they erected for the Finnish troops? We will never forget, nor will we ever forget how the Allies supported and saved the evil Moscovites who massacred whole Finnish villages. BTW, my father was an Artillery Observer at Tali-Ihantala, the biggestbattle ever fought in the Nordics. Thanks to the Germans we survived that battle.
On the war times Finland had 62000 Soviet men as war prisoners all over the land working on the woods or on the Farm houses. Finnish prisoners of War in Soviet Union died as well.
I don't doubt this for a moment. The problem is always obedient order followers on all sides. As DIVOC proved, most people are capable of doing terrible things if everybody else is just 'going along, to get along'.
Truly fascinating stuff. Please do more of this. It sounds to me as though Finland occupies a liminal space where the metaphysical transformations can occur. Like Alice going down the rabbit hole where down is up and vice versa. I don't think any of us have truly understood the effects of the competition between totalitarian ideologies that happened before I was born but shaped the world that we all inherited. Let's look at it all again without the distortion from vested interests in the academy.
It's a tough call when you are a small country without much by way of defences. Sweden has joined NATO, very quietly, I see. You've probably covered this on the channel before though. Member number 32. I wonder who they want to be member 33? Not that there's anything occult in any of this.
Apparently, the memorial was erected by the Soviets in 1983. The mass grave allegedly holds 319 soviet soldiers, all of which are named 40 years after the event! For so many to be in a mass grave suggests slaughter rather than starvation. Having being aware of the Katlyn Forest event, I suspect that the soviets shot the victims, who could well be Russian deserters because many Russians fled Russia with the Germans.
Yes anything claimed by the Soviets should be regarded with a great dose of healthy skepticism. Especially what was supposedly found in those big camps in Poland.
The POWs died building the airport and a huge sea port. The dates of death were all spread out throughout 1942. The Finns didn't take part in Nazi genocides. They also failed to deport Jews.
The Finns will presumably dismantle the monument shortly just like their Baltic neighbours have done . But at least Finland is much safer now in the warm embrace of NATO.
No. No we are not. Finland just more than doubled NATO-Russia border, invited a hostile military power on her territory and signed her territory for use as a battlefield for the next World War. This was a great betrayal and treason.
The tragedy of the current state indoctrination and complete corruption of teaching in both secondary and university education seems almost guaranteed to repeat these mistakes in some form.
I now see that you were perhaps implicitly asking for views on the hiding of the monument with the no doubt intended blanking of the atrocity from Finnish history. I think that’s perfectly understandable immediately after the war, but these things should never be forgotten and neither should the circumstances surrounding it. It’s never healthy to hide realities, from adults at least. If one were a soldier in the first or second world wars and had to shoot and kill enemy combatants, would one want to dwell on that killing? I know I wouldn’t. “That’s some mother’s son!” would be ringing in your ears forever. Who wouldn’t want to forget.
My guess was that the men were buried very close to where they died. They were probably slept in a POW camp, that occupied land that is now a vocational school
The doctrine of utilitarianism supports all kinds of compromise of one's moral obligation to resist evil, to love the Lord your God with all one's heart mind, soul and strength, and love one's neighbor as oneself. It's what's taught and caught in society today where the end justifies the means.
Western Europe owes a debt of gratitude to the Germans and her gallant European allies. Without them Western Europe would have been overrun by the Communists.
As WW2 loomed, the Russians wanted a land swap to gain some defensive space for Leningrad. It was a reasonable request for two reasons. First, after several hundred years as a vassal state, the Finns had seized the opportunity to gain independence during the chaos of the Bolshevik Revolution; there were legitimate border issues to be resolved. Second, the Nazis were beating the drums of war and Hitler's Mein Kampf had made it clear that he wanted Lebensraum at the expense of the Slavs. The Russians won their winter wars with the Finns - at great cost - and got the land they needed to defend Leningrad. At 872 days, the siege of Leningrad went onto become one of the longest and most destructive in history. If Leningrad had fallen, would Moscow and then Stalingrad have also fallen? What would that have meant for the Allied War effort? Fortunately for us, the Soviets prevailed and the Finns did not. The performance of the Soviets during WW2 was nothing short of heroic. Not so for the Finns'. We ought to remember that. And let's remember those 300 Soviet soldiers buried at Pori Airport. May they rest in peace.
That is “Neuvostosotilaiden muistomerkki”, a well documented memorial site in Pori.
First, the russian prisoners were guarded by Finnish troops, and prisoners were used to build the local harbor and the airport, but later when Germans took over the Pori airport, they also took the prisoners under their command. Some of the prisoners died in diseases, some in starvation, cold and some were executed.
Finns had a decades-long problem with these wars, and they were not talked about at home, or with friends. The whole generation was lost, many become alcoholic and wounds never healed. I experienced this with both my grandpa’s who were in both wars.
This is one reason why such memorials are not in a prime locations. Sure there are war graves in front of many churches, but that’s it.
Are you referring to the harbour at Reposaari?
@@nigelwatson2750 I think all the sites are called today Port of Pori, but I am referring to Mäntyluoto site.
@@j-p.alanen Okay, yes, I know it. I guess the POWs were bussed up there every day from Pori. Where abouts was the POW camp in Pori?
@@nigelwatson2750 According to a book The Finnish POW and Internee Camp. Handbook, 1939-1944, there were actually two camps for the same prisoners in Pori. The first was under Finnish rule, POW camp 22, located in Mäntyluoto. Five POW’s were lost in this camp. Pori Airport was a German project, and after the harbor project was ready, the POW’s were transferred to a Germans POW camp at the airport.
It isn't something we were taught at school.
I've just finished listening to a Doc Malik podcast with Jacob Nordangard. He mentions the bankers wars and how they funded both sides. Worth a listen if you haven't already heard it 👍🏻
Of course the Satanists fund both sides!
The Rothchilds? They have form for it and could be the "jewish financiers," mentioned in Hitlas speech 7 months before the war.
Forgetting the travesties of history,
Is the exact reason they are often recommitted, again
Albeit, different countries, or circumstances, but recommitted nonetheless, all over again.
Tho this short video on Finnish history has no direct bearing on myself,
I thank you Nigel for posting it…
History, regardless of how awful, should never try to be erased.
Prayers for the souls lost during the Winter War, and WWII.
💞💞🙏🙏🙏💞💞
I agree - when looking at the memorial I thought - have we learnt nothing?
I've known about this for some time but politely declined to mentioned it with Finn friends. You're a brave man Nigel. I did say in my last utterance that all countries should face up to their history because their opponents have long memories but
let those among us who are completely innocent cast the first stone.
Do you live near Pori?
@@nigelwatson2750 No, sadly I'm back in Blighty but I did live in Espoo and commuted to Forssa on a daily basis for three months.
Interesting history. 🎉 Thanks for sharing this. People need to hear the truth. ✨️
Between a rock and a hard place comes to mind
No shame in defending one’s homeland. Beggars can’t be choosers.
P.S. It’s akin to The Trolley Problem. Solution: choose the least bad option for YOU & YOURS.
There was an American Historian and Sociologist who's name I forget, he calculated that in the 20th Century alone over 2 Billion Humans were killed in War.
The Moscovites should be happy that there is a memorial for their barbaric troops. I wonder how many they erected for the Finnish troops? We will never forget, nor will we ever forget how the Allies supported and saved the evil Moscovites who massacred whole Finnish villages. BTW, my father was an Artillery Observer at Tali-Ihantala, the biggestbattle ever fought in the Nordics. Thanks to the Germans we survived that battle.
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The globalists control both sides. They always have done. And they laugh when ordinary people on both sides slaughter each other.
@@nigelwatson2750 The Russians did not come inside Finland to kill Finnish civilians in our wars against Russia.
I wonder who it was who left the plant pot with the flowers in?
On the war times Finland had 62000 Soviet men as war prisoners all over the land working on the woods or on the Farm houses. Finnish prisoners of War in Soviet Union died as well.
I don't doubt this for a moment. The problem is always obedient order followers on all sides. As DIVOC proved, most people are capable of doing terrible things if everybody else is just 'going along, to get along'.
Truly fascinating stuff. Please do more of this. It sounds to me as though Finland occupies a liminal space where the metaphysical transformations can occur. Like Alice going down the rabbit hole where down is up and vice versa.
I don't think any of us have truly understood the effects of the competition between totalitarian ideologies that happened before I was born but shaped the world that we all inherited.
Let's look at it all again without the distortion from vested interests in the academy.
It's a tough call when you are a small country without much by way of defences.
Sweden has joined NATO, very quietly, I see. You've probably covered this on the channel before though. Member number 32.
I wonder who they want to be member 33?
Not that there's anything occult in any of this.
The same psychopaths run all countries. They orchestrate wars so that they can cull humanity.
As a veteran i must say this hurts a bit. I would wish for someone who would be willing to clear the perimeter to make the memorial visable again.
There was a fence around the site.
Apparently, the memorial was erected by the Soviets in 1983. The mass grave allegedly holds 319 soviet soldiers, all of which are named 40 years after the event! For so many to be in a mass grave suggests slaughter rather than starvation. Having being aware of the Katlyn Forest event, I suspect that the soviets shot the victims, who could well be Russian deserters because many Russians fled Russia with the Germans.
Yes anything claimed by the Soviets should be regarded with a great dose of healthy skepticism. Especially what was supposedly found in those big camps in Poland.
The POWs died building the airport and a huge sea port. The dates of death were all spread out throughout 1942. The Finns didn't take part in Nazi genocides. They also failed to deport Jews.
@@nigelwatson2750 So it’s not a mass grave then.
@@adrianchetwynd1334 It is, but most of the people who died were worked to death, as slave labourers rather than being executed
@@holycannoli64 Exactly and this site could well get concreted over too.
The Finns will presumably dismantle the monument shortly just like their Baltic neighbours have done . But at least Finland is much safer now in the warm embrace of NATO.
NATO is busy pushing Finland to war.
A TARGET now. ...
NATO only exists to provide justification for using our tax money to buy useless goods from the MI complex. Nothing has changed since the cold war.
The Finnish people did NOT consent to NATO membership
It was imposed on them without a vote
No. No we are not. Finland just more than doubled NATO-Russia border, invited a hostile military power on her territory and signed her territory for use as a battlefield for the next World War. This was a great betrayal and treason.
It depends how real the war was i guess
The tragedy of the current state indoctrination and complete corruption of teaching in both secondary and university education seems almost guaranteed to repeat these mistakes in some form.
The Allied mistake of supporting communist barbarism?
I now see that you were perhaps implicitly asking for views on the hiding of the monument with the no doubt intended blanking of the atrocity from Finnish history.
I think that’s perfectly understandable immediately after the war, but these things should never be forgotten and neither should the circumstances surrounding it. It’s never healthy to hide realities, from adults at least.
If one were a soldier in the first or second world wars and had to shoot and kill enemy combatants, would one want to dwell on that killing? I know I wouldn’t.
“That’s some mother’s son!” would be ringing in your ears forever. Who wouldn’t want to forget.
My guess was that the men were buried very close to where they died. They were probably slept in a POW camp, that occupied land that is now a vocational school
@@nigelwatson2750 OK. Fair enough. Maybe out of respect for the dead, signposts should be erected in the area?
The doctrine of utilitarianism supports all kinds of compromise of one's moral obligation to resist evil, to love the Lord your God with all one's heart mind, soul and strength, and love one's neighbor as oneself. It's what's taught and caught in society today where the end justifies the means.
Exactly my thoughts when I was looking at this monument. How could people have done it to other peoples sons?
Keen to forget? Sounds like projection.
Western Europe owes a debt of gratitude to the Germans and her gallant European allies. Without them Western Europe would have been overrun by the Communists.
Fascism or Communism? Not much of a choice. Both are technocratic police states.
As WW2 loomed, the Russians wanted a land swap to gain some defensive space for Leningrad. It was a reasonable request for two reasons.
First, after several hundred years as a vassal state, the Finns had seized the opportunity to gain independence during the chaos of the Bolshevik Revolution; there were legitimate border issues to be resolved. Second, the Nazis were beating the drums of war and Hitler's Mein Kampf had made it clear that he wanted Lebensraum at the expense of the Slavs.
The Russians won their winter wars with the Finns - at great cost - and got the land they needed to defend Leningrad. At 872 days, the siege of Leningrad went onto become one of the longest and most destructive in history. If Leningrad had fallen, would Moscow and then Stalingrad have also fallen? What would that have meant for the Allied War effort?
Fortunately for us, the Soviets prevailed and the Finns did not. The performance of the Soviets during WW2 was nothing short of heroic. Not so for the Finns'. We ought to remember that. And let's remember those 300 Soviet soldiers buried at Pori Airport. May they rest in peace.
'Fortunately for us'? Who do you mean by 'us' if I may ask?
@@ramieskola7845 Yes, the "us" are the Allies, and my country in particular, the UK.
Defeat for Germany and her European allies has spelt the end for our ancient European homelands.
@@TheToolnut Could you expand?
@@nicholasjohnferriman8283 Just look around at what has been done to us since 1945.