Michael Heiser in his Unseen Realm teaching expounds the presence of sacred space in the physical world. He talks about God's claim to territories in our realm, not just in the land He promised ancient Israel, yet also in the hearts of the believers, and the unique joining of the spiritual realm and the physical realm in those places and originally in the Garden of Eden. The whole idea of icons, I believe, ties into Michael Heiser's teachings, even though he was not alluding to icons as used in either the RCC or the Orthodox Church.
I’ve read some of Heiser’s work and much of it strikes me as his original thoughts and not scholarship that stands on the shoulders of great theologians of the ancient and modern worlds.
Good stuff Hank! As a RC, i long for Rome to get back with the east! What do we need to do? Another church council? A call for Bishops around the world to meet, maybe it takes years to hash everything out. Imagine how the world would view the ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC and APOSTOLIC Church?
Good question. We need reunification in the Church - Roman Catholic, Protestant, and Eastern Orthodox. Hank addresses what can be done with respect to reunification in Truth Matters Life Matters More. www.equip.org/product/truth-matters-life-matters-more/ Check out these episodes of Hank Unplugged: Hank Unplugged: Episode #101 - Fission or Fusion? A Call for Christian Unity with Nathan Jacobs www.equip.org/unplugged/fission-or-fusion-a-call-for-christian-unity-with-nathan-jacobs/ and Hank Unplugged Episode #105 - The Key to Christian Unity is Humility with Francis Chan and Metropolitan Yohan www.equip.org/unplugged/the-key-to-christian-unity-is-humility-with-francis-chan-and-metropolitan-yohan/ All denominations come as the result of sin. There is then the important matter of repentance, reconciliation, and theological integrity. See www.equip.org/articles/what-denomination-should-i-join/
What re your thoughts about the so-called "Eight Ecumenical Council" aka Photian or Nicolaitian Council) and the upcoming conference on the Catholic church's formal rejection of the filioque?
@JohnAnon-mh5el The issue you touched on is a very important one, but can hardly be adequately replied to in UA-cam comments. For you and anyone really interested, and this is something a Christian ought to be interested about, specifically the Nicolatian schism, Photius, disputes over the filioque, and the way these disputes would bring about Western heavenly transcendence, a leading away from paradisical view of the early Church is discussed in chapter 5 of Age of Paradise. www.equip.org/product/ages-of-christendom-and-hank-resources/
@dshort01 Stay tune! More interviews w/ Fr. Strickland are coming soon. If you have not yet had a chance, listen to the first interview w/ Fr. Strickland here: ua-cam.com/video/BuewLSW8rfQ/v-deo.html
Why call pastors “Father” or “Priests” though? When in church history did that start and so you have any materials in that? Thank you Hank. I’ve been listening to you for over 25 years. Blessings.
For though you might have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet you do not have many fathers; for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel. ~1 Cor 4:15
@@christalone71 Read 1John 2:13+ and St. Paul's letters to his spiritual son Timothy which would make him his spiritual father. If you take that that verse literally you cannot call your immediate male progenitor "father".
@@christalone71So we cannot call our earthly biological fathers “father.” Let’s read in context and use common sense and wisdom from…the Church Fathers.
The context in the second commandment that says not to make any graven image of Exodus 20:4 is hashed out and clarified in verse five where it says "Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them". That is the key context that the Jews knew when they made the images that adorned the top of the Ark of the Covenant. Verse 5 is also where Christians, to their credit, have issue with Catholics kneeling before statues of either Jesus or saints of the past, and praying to, or through, the mental graven images of dead saints. Those are no longer icons but instead are the graven images mentioned in verse four. A graven image is not just a physical object made for us to see with our physical eyes but also images that we form and see in our minds. To kneel, bow, serve those physically or consciously is both one and the same breaking of the second commandment. Having a crucifix with Jesus in the cross hanging about one's neck as a reminder of the Gospel is completely different than if the bearer of that necklace bowed his or her head to that crucifix in order to focus his or her worship, even if the Gospel is still in the understanding of what the crucifix represents . This is in defence of Catholics who do obey verse 5 and do not kneel or serve the images in their churches or their minds. I'm neither Catholic nor Orthodox so for me to come in defense of iconography that is without any form of worshipping or serving those images is like putting my neck accrues the protestant canon guillotine. By the way, I greatly dislike the term "protestant". That to me says the only focus of being a non-Catholic Christian is to protest the church in Rome, dismissing the actual meaning of the word Christian itself which is basically follower of Christ. The only true protestants were/are those who broke away from the RCC because of any heresies the believer saw in it rather than to be free to worship God through the lens of the Bible and not the papacy. In its true definition, a protestant is also a person who leaves the Christian faith entirely in protest to the existence of God, or any god, and becomes an atheist. The word protestant for Christians like myself, and therefore for almost all non-Catholic Christians outside the Orthodox churches is derogatory and reductive because in context the Christian exists through protesting the RCC rather than legitimate faith in Jesus Christ. In the context of protestantism, then any believer who sided with the eastern churches during the Great Schism was,,and today still is a protestant, demeaning their freedom of expression in direct worship of God and holding onto the traditions of their faith.
@@YaBoiRexX… He can’t explain why. It’s because he is ignorant or misinformed of the History of the Church. His Church history starts from the toile of the Protestant reformation. May he be enlightened by the Holy Spirit.
For further study see The Age of Paradise by Fr. Strickland: amzn.to/3udBrHV
Wowza ! Amazing educational lesson. This is refreshing !!
Thanks gentlemen .
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Great discussion. I must get this series of books. Looking forward to the coming broadcasts.
Thank you Father John and Hank.
Thanks for this, Hank. Great info and reminder of our roots.
Helpful to understand this better
Thanks for talking about most important topic☦️🕊🧡
Thank you!
Michael Heiser in his Unseen Realm teaching expounds the presence of sacred space in the physical world. He talks about God's claim to territories in our realm, not just in the land He promised ancient Israel, yet also in the hearts of the believers, and the unique joining of the spiritual realm and the physical realm in those places and originally in the Garden of Eden. The whole idea of icons, I believe, ties into Michael Heiser's teachings, even though he was not alluding to icons as used in either the RCC or the Orthodox Church.
I’ve read some of Heiser’s work and much of it strikes me as his original thoughts and not scholarship that stands on the shoulders of great theologians of the ancient and modern worlds.
A lot of information....new to me to understand things.
Good stuff Hank! As a RC, i long for Rome to get back with the east! What do we need to do? Another church council? A call for Bishops around the world to meet, maybe it takes years to hash everything out. Imagine how the world would view the ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC and APOSTOLIC Church?
Good question. We need reunification in the Church - Roman Catholic, Protestant, and Eastern Orthodox. Hank addresses what can be done with respect to reunification in Truth Matters Life Matters More. www.equip.org/product/truth-matters-life-matters-more/ Check out these episodes of Hank Unplugged: Hank Unplugged: Episode #101 - Fission or Fusion? A Call for Christian Unity with Nathan Jacobs www.equip.org/unplugged/fission-or-fusion-a-call-for-christian-unity-with-nathan-jacobs/ and Hank Unplugged Episode #105 - The Key to Christian Unity is Humility with Francis Chan and Metropolitan Yohan www.equip.org/unplugged/the-key-to-christian-unity-is-humility-with-francis-chan-and-metropolitan-yohan/
All denominations come as the result of sin. There is then the important matter of repentance, reconciliation, and theological integrity. See www.equip.org/articles/what-denomination-should-i-join/
What re your thoughts about the so-called "Eight Ecumenical Council" aka Photian or Nicolaitian Council) and the upcoming conference on the Catholic church's formal rejection of the filioque?
@JohnAnon-mh5el The issue you touched on is a very important one, but can hardly be adequately replied to in UA-cam comments. For you and anyone really interested, and this is something a Christian ought to be interested about, specifically the Nicolatian schism, Photius, disputes over the filioque, and the way these disputes would bring about Western heavenly transcendence, a leading away from paradisical view of the early Church is discussed in chapter 5 of Age of Paradise. www.equip.org/product/ages-of-christendom-and-hank-resources/
When is the next one or where do I find them?
@dshort01 Stay tune! More interviews w/ Fr. Strickland are coming soon. If you have not yet had a chance, listen to the first interview w/ Fr. Strickland here: ua-cam.com/video/BuewLSW8rfQ/v-deo.html
Why call pastors “Father” or “Priests” though? When in church history did that start and so you have any materials in that? Thank you Hank. I’ve been listening to you for over 25 years. Blessings.
Your question is addressed in this video: ua-cam.com/video/lF4RX-7FGIc/v-deo.htmlsi=leIoBp2GtqDookxo
For though you might have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet you do not have many fathers; for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
~1 Cor 4:15
@@onecor1031 Matthew 23:9 "And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven."
@@christalone71 Read 1John 2:13+ and St. Paul's letters to his spiritual son Timothy which would make him his spiritual father.
If you take that that verse literally you cannot call your immediate male progenitor "father".
@@christalone71So we cannot call our earthly biological fathers “father.” Let’s read in context and use common sense and wisdom from…the Church Fathers.
The context in the second commandment that says not to make any graven image of Exodus 20:4 is hashed out and clarified in verse five where it says "Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them". That is the key context that the Jews knew when they made the images that adorned the top of the Ark of the Covenant.
Verse 5 is also where Christians, to their credit, have issue with Catholics kneeling before statues of either Jesus or saints of the past, and praying to, or through, the mental graven images of dead saints. Those are no longer icons but instead are the graven images mentioned in verse four. A graven image is not just a physical object made for us to see with our physical eyes but also images that we form and see in our minds. To kneel, bow, serve those physically or consciously is both one and the same breaking of the second commandment.
Having a crucifix with Jesus in the cross hanging about one's neck as a reminder of the Gospel is completely different than if the bearer of that necklace bowed his or her head to that crucifix in order to focus his or her worship, even if the Gospel is still in the understanding of what the crucifix represents .
This is in defence of Catholics who do obey verse 5 and do not kneel or serve the images in their churches or their minds. I'm neither Catholic nor Orthodox so for me to come in defense of iconography that is without any form of worshipping or serving those images is like putting my neck accrues the protestant canon guillotine.
By the way, I greatly dislike the term "protestant". That to me says the only focus of being a non-Catholic Christian is to protest the church in Rome, dismissing the actual meaning of the word Christian itself which is basically follower of Christ. The only true protestants were/are those who broke away from the RCC because of any heresies the believer saw in it rather than to be free to worship God through the lens of the Bible and not the papacy. In its true definition, a protestant is also a person who leaves the Christian faith entirely in protest to the existence of God, or any god, and becomes an atheist. The word protestant for Christians like myself, and therefore for almost all non-Catholic Christians outside the Orthodox churches is derogatory and reductive because in context the Christian exists through protesting the RCC rather than legitimate faith in Jesus Christ. In the context of protestantism, then any believer who sided with the eastern churches during the Great Schism was,,and today still is a protestant, demeaning their freedom of expression in direct worship of God and holding onto the traditions of their faith.
You need to study Church history and put your emotions aside.
My mother used to force me to drink Father John when I was sick.
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What book of Stark's is he referencing?
@jaim0368 Fr. Strickland was referring to the Rise of Christianity by Rodney Stark.
Who is "He"
What are you referring to exactly as this podcast is 2 hours long.
@BibleAnswerMan in your comment you mentioned " HE " Does this refer to the guest or Hank. They both use vocabulary uncommon in day to day speaking.
How far Hank has fallen? Like Satan falling from heaven. Sad and frightening at the same time. Wow. His much learning has made himself mad, perhaps?
Can you explain how please?
@@YaBoiRexX… He can’t explain why. It’s because he is ignorant or misinformed of the History of the Church. His Church history starts from the toile of the Protestant reformation. May he be enlightened by the Holy Spirit.