The betting odds placings are based on the outright market. If a country is placed 10th it doesn't mean the exact predicted place is 10th but otherwise it's not possible to create a video like this. Odds of Top 10 / 15 could be slightly different but not far away from the outright market. Odds were taken during the live shows before the voting.
But the difference between 26 and 13 is zero. Both >1%. So wouldn’t it be better to do a % ranking difference? So the 2% that got third gets the 12% that the third got - 2% is 10 points.
@Alex Erhan This years song ended way too high. In my opinion it didn’t even deserve to qualify. The only song I liked from Moldova was from 2017 and 2018. Oh yeah and that has nothing to do with the country itself, just saying
@Rebecca Woolf not exactly, I think he meant Donny Montel ending exactly 10 places above expectations twice(!), so based on that if they send him 3rd time and he will be 11th on odds he will actually end up 11-10= in the first place winning the contest
I do believe that it’s more accurate to talk about flops than rises, since odds are based on who people predict will win. And I understand why most people didn’t predict that these would win, mostly because a lot of these were “safe” and “basic”, although good. I’m aware you made a video about flops and what you mentioned in the pinned comment, this isn’t against the video or anything, I just wanted to give that piece of mind!
Indeed, in this ranking it's even more difficult. Albania and Serbia are good examples. In some cases placed 26th to win but in a betting market who's finishing last they won't be the favourite because diaspora votes save them no matter what song it is.
You are correct, only the winners of each year are relevant in this comparison, because they are winning odds. The biggest riser is the winner whose betting position was the worst. But thanks for the creator of this video, this is also interesting point of view. :)
No one ever could have guess the jury would love it that much for no apparent reasons. First by the jury when Israel, Cyprus or Italy were right there 😭
Imagine having 20 places difference when the max u could have in 2011 were 24 *Damn* BTW everyone complains Azerbaijan won in 2011,but is not like if they were last in odds, they were 4, which is very solid comparing that the one getting second was 22 in odds lmao
@@animeandgamealex3331 no 24 bc there were 25 participants, and if you got the maximum possible difference, which would be being 25 in odds and ending up first or the other way around then the difference would be 25-1=24 or 1-(-25)=24 So yeah Italy was 4 away of having the biggest possible difference :D
Odds really hates Moldova every single year 🤦 not saying about 2021(cause it wasn't the favorite of MANY people) but seriously??? 2011,2012,2013,(2014-2016 didn't qualified), 2017, 2018, (2019 didn't qualified)??? Like really??? These odds really understimates Moldova just thinking it's a small country so it won't place high
@@colin4962 oh thx so much, it's rare to see people who want to visit Moldova :) I've been to Frankfurt before (I live in Belgium 🇧🇪 but I’m Moldovan 🇲🇩) but I really want to visit Germany in detail, it's a big country and there is still many things to see !! Especially when I go to Moldova in the summers by car, I go through Germany and I see beautiful cities Greetings from your Belgian neighbor and a Moldovan guy 🇧🇪🇲🇩❤️🇩🇪
Kirkorov songs aren’t UNDERRATED by the bookies. They know that they aren’t good but for SOME reason they always end high in the grand final itself. we all know what’s going on.
I can rise too if Kirkorov buys a lot of the juries for me, because Moldova having 8 times 12 points in the semifinal... not even Salvador Sobral, Loreen, Mans...
It took me minutes to realize that those were ranks and not points, and I got confused as to why their results were so low yet it was successful. I am too new for this.
Are you for real fucking hell 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Conchita was that SUPPOSEDLY shit. Jaysus Bookmakers obviously don’t know shit. Conchita was out of this mothertucking world ❤❤❤❤❤
The betting odds placings are based on the outright market. If a country is placed 10th it doesn't mean the exact predicted place is 10th but otherwise it's not possible to create a video like this. Odds of Top 10 / 15 could be slightly different but not far away from the outright market. Odds were taken during the live shows before the voting.
But the difference between 26 and 13 is zero. Both >1%. So wouldn’t it be better to do a % ranking difference? So the 2% that got third gets the 12% that the third got - 2% is 10 points.
A Balkan nation with a song in the native language
Bookies: Let's put that last
You're right. The nunber of Balkan Countries sending good music, but been putting in the last place it's simply UNBELIVEBLE!
Moldova consistantly outperforming expectations
Europe! Ow!
It’s called overrated
And Albania as well i think
@Alex Erhan It's called Kirkorov and diaspora.
@Alex Erhan This years song ended way too high. In my opinion it didn’t even deserve to qualify. The only song I liked from Moldova was from 2017 and 2018.
Oh yeah and that has nothing to do with the country itself, just saying
So how many times were you underestimated?
Albania and Moldova: Yes
Two best countries in ESC by far
So Lithuania is just waiting for Donny Montell being 11 in odds
@Rebecca Woolf not exactly, I think he meant Donny Montel ending exactly 10 places above expectations twice(!), so based on that if they send him 3rd time and he will be 11th on odds he will actually end up 11-10= in the first place winning the contest
The odds had Greece 2011 at 23rd? OMG that's so awkward if you think they actually won the semi, and got 3rd place in the final televoting..
Kind of satisfying to see that the odds have always been a mess and not just these days
The odds are not a mess. They are correct in the long run.
Can we all agree that PlatinSam is the best esc youtuberl?
Literally he did an amazing work👏
Wow thanks my friend :)
yess
Fr hes great
He is great, but i think schlager lucas beats him
I still can't believe that the UK in 2018 was ranked higher than Italy, Austria and Moldova according to the odds
It happened just because of the ,,invasion" during her performance. She was I believe 24th before the show
It happened during the show , following the stage invasion people thought she would get sympathy votes but she didn't
@@Tarkris i feel like she did. she would’ve been last if she didn’t. but she didn’t get enough to get her past 24th.
@@tmdgcmct9756 Yeah , I could agree to that. But she didn't really get much Televote points.
@@pmfrank2034 but also Spain 2010 got an invasion, but the odds kept stable around 16th if I'm not wrong
Man, our guy Cesár really said "F**k your odds and give me my 12 points." What a king.❤️👍🇦🇹
2:41 the whistle note in Crno i Belo is actually iconic
I never understand why the bookies always put Albania like pretty much last🤷🏻♀️. They always send high quality songs and really good singers
So true!!!
In brief, moldova, albania, lithuania, italy
I do believe that it’s more accurate to talk about flops than rises, since odds are based on who people predict will win. And I understand why most people didn’t predict that these would win, mostly because a lot of these were “safe” and “basic”, although good. I’m aware you made a video about flops and what you mentioned in the pinned comment, this isn’t against the video or anything, I just wanted to give that piece of mind!
Indeed, in this ranking it's even more difficult. Albania and Serbia are good examples. In some cases placed 26th to win but in a betting market who's finishing last they won't be the favourite because diaspora votes save them no matter what song it is.
@@PlatinSam So there isn't a betting market for who will get last?
Of course there is, but how to show this in one video if there are many other markets Top 5 / 10 / 15 / Last...
You are correct, only the winners of each year are relevant in this comparison, because they are winning odds. The biggest riser is the winner whose betting position was the worst.
But thanks for the creator of this video, this is also interesting point of view. :)
people have asked for this video tho
4:17 Ah Michał Szpak.. he was robbed soo much, still hurts
He robbed Margaret in the national final so that’s what he deserved
Donny really said “fuck the odds”
what about songs that were high in odds but didnt even qualify. like belgium and greece 2018
Finland 2015 was placed 5th and didnt qualify
That's why NEVER trust odds... Except for winner (last 2 editions)...
Odds underrate the Balkans so hard every year😵😓
So true, Albania especially ...
Next - biggest rises in the final comparing to the semi-final
Bookies really be putting Kirkorov songs last when he's never finished anywhere except the left side of the board.
Austria in 2018 being top 3 is something that no one would have guessed
No one ever could have guess the jury would love it that much for no apparent reasons. First by the jury when Israel, Cyprus or Italy were right there 😭
@@bastosbastos5835 Italy was robbed by the jury that year
@@eurodaraEstonia should’ve won the jury in 2018 tbh
I'm happy "Proud" beat the odds. It was my winner in 2019.
Odds really hates Montenegro and Albania... Lol
And Moldova 🤷♂️🇲🇩
And slovenia
Ah, our lovely Maya Sar with Korake ti znam. I still listen to it. Such a beautiful and strong song. 🇧🇦❤️
Zala and Gasper are one of my favorite entries ever. I'm still listening to their songs, I'm so happy they participated. Joci Papai too
2011 the most entertaining year ever. So many flops and so many surprises.
I am glad Nataliya did so well. Her performance was pure fun, her personality is everything plus that 17second note... Totally deserved!
It seems like that Europe "didn't count us" a few times.
(Hungary)
Hey mama being underrated that makes me feels sad
albania 2018 is quite possible one of my favourite eurovision acts , but man was i shocked when they actually qualified !
same, one of my favorite entries of all time
Bookmakers hate Donny Montell...
I know this opinion is unpopular but... I did like italy 2011. Like, a lot. Sue me but it is what it is.
I still think that it was one of the only good entries that year.
Don't understimate the power of ballads lol
I miss Moldova's crazy performances
Another crazy performance this year that performed above expectations 😭 I wish my country the UK could just send crazy entries sometime
Jonida Maliqi was so painfully underrated it still hurts. That song had all of Albania's spirit in it, and I'm not even Albanian.
Imagine having 20 places difference when the max u could have in 2011 were 24
*Damn*
BTW everyone complains Azerbaijan won in 2011,but is not like if they were last in odds, they were 4, which is very solid comparing that the one getting second was 22 in odds lmao
Actually 25
@@animeandgamealex3331 no 24 bc there were 25 participants, and if you got the maximum possible difference, which would be being 25 in odds and ending up first or the other way around then the difference would be 25-1=24 or 1-(-25)=24
So yeah Italy was 4 away of having the biggest possible difference :D
@@escamante9785 thanks. Now i understand
@@qoobfoodisnotgood7457 but there still 10 places difference
And they still deserved 1st place rather than 2nd
Nobody but you? 20th? Have the bookies LOST THEIR MIND?
They really put Austria 2018 at the 20th place ? They are deaf lol
Moldova 🇲🇩❤️❤️
love this type of video!
My Favorites
My Lucky Day (Moldova 2018) - 6 Points
This Time (Lithuania 2015) - 7 Points
Love Kills (Belgium 2013) - 8 Points
Running on Air (Austria 2017) - 8 Points
Love Me Back (Turkey 2012) - 8 Points
Popular (Sweden 2011) - 8 Points
A New Tomorrow (Denmark 2011) - 8 Points
Lie To Me (Czechia 2018) - 8 Points
Friend of A Friend (Czechia 2019) - 10 Points
Mall (Albania 2018) - 10 Points
Kuula (Estonia 2012) - 10 Points
Higher Ground (Denmark 2018) - 12 Points
Suus (Albania 2012) - 12 Points
Adio (Montenegro 2015) - 12 Points
Nova Deca (Serbia 2018) - 12 Points
O Mie (Moldova 2013) - 12 Points
waiting for moldova 2021
The fact it was predicted 12th SF and qualified at 7th
@@crabrave8979 and Israel was predicted 11th in SF and finished 5th lmao
Albania 2018. I love you Eugent ❤️❤️❤️
Austria for me is the true winner of 2018. What a song and what a performer!
5:30 SUUS? ALBAMOGUS?????
SUUSSY BAKA 😳🤪
Some of the things predicted look so unreal now.
I don’t know but I love the video quality of esc 2018. By the way good job
Could you please make a video of the biggest surprise qualifiers based on the odds? I think that would be interesting.
Great vid btw!!
Serhat
Poland 2016 was my fave ever
Can I just say that countdown was so pretty!
I believe that’s UA-cam’s basic countdown
for every premiere
It's basic countdown from UA-cam lol
The guy who is in the front looks like Daniel Radcliffe😂
3:21
Odds really hates Moldova every single year 🤦 not saying about 2021(cause it wasn't the favorite of MANY people) but seriously??? 2011,2012,2013,(2014-2016 didn't qualified), 2017, 2018, (2019 didn't qualified)??? Like really???
These odds really understimates Moldova just thinking it's a small country so it won't place high
serhat 26th in odds serhat after gettin 19th na na na
iam also suprised itlay was so low in the odds in 2011
Cleo & Michał 🥰🥰🥰
you can make a ranking with the contestant who placed better than their first attempt, like poli genova or natalia gordienko.
Moldova is always underrated 🤷♂️🇲🇩...but why?
Idk but I am proud of my country 🇲🇩❤️
@@DimDDG Moldova is such a beautiful country, I really want to visit it after this pandemic again 🇲🇩
Greetings from Germany 🇩🇪🤝🇲🇩
@@colin4962 oh thx so much, it's rare to see people who want to visit Moldova :)
I've been to Frankfurt before (I live in Belgium 🇧🇪 but I’m Moldovan 🇲🇩) but I really want to visit Germany in detail, it's a big country and there is still many things to see !! Especially when I go to Moldova in the summers by car, I go through Germany and I see beautiful cities
Greetings from your Belgian neighbor and a Moldovan guy 🇧🇪🇲🇩❤️🇩🇪
@@colin4962 i want a win for moldova
@@munchermuncher7663 me too
can you make a video of the biggest changes between countries results in the semi finals and the finals?
Eurovision 2011 was such a mess...
Good songs, great lyrics and great ritms so is a really hard to predict where every song will be placed and you need to cont whit the juris
Another proof that 2011 was a hot mess and the winner was just a cherry on top ☠️
2011 again, worst placings for betting odds XD
Italy 2011 and Russia 2021 truly deserved
Moldova the underdogs,the dark horse
I dont know if i should be worried or proud about Moldova
Proud
Maybe a bad idea, but what if you make the top matched songs by the odds and in the results? Will there be 15 songs?
Did someone notice that they used the same background on lithuania 2012 as the flag parade in 2021? The same style at least.
So apparently it's a good thing to be placed #26, #24 or #19 in the odds lol.
26th, you can only place better or equal ^^
Kirkorov songs aren’t UNDERRATED by the bookies. They know that they aren’t good but for SOME reason they always end high in the grand final itself. we all know what’s going on.
It’s so obvious that Kirkorov is “acquaintances” with juries of several countries.
Moldova: Hold my pronostics!
Albania: Bookmakers 😘
Italy: I end those men's carrers!
Nice seeng and songs from 2021
What a shame to put watch my dance 23rd !
Why is Albania the queen of these odds?
Because before the show odds always puts them last or near last, doesn't matter if the song is good or bad
The Top 5 is amazing! (except Austria)
Anxhela was 16th in the televote... just imagine
It seems there's a weak correlation between jury and televoting disagreeing and the betting odds being off.
i really have a question as to why Greece 2011 was THAT low lmfao??
2011 was just fucked
I can rise too if Kirkorov buys a lot of the juries for me, because Moldova having 8 times 12 points in the semifinal... not even Salvador Sobral, Loreen, Mans...
Voters underrated it and gave it votes thinking it won't be a threat while they didn't give votes to obvious qualfiers. As a result, Moldova rose
Now the biggest rise was Moldova, who ended up in top 7 despite being in the odds on 25.
Eastern Europe really showing for good here!
It took me minutes to realize that those were ranks and not points, and I got confused as to why their results were so low yet it was successful.
I am too new for this.
I remember austria 2014 being 200/1 before the competition to win. Big regret not betting on them then
Are you for real fucking hell 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Conchita was that SUPPOSEDLY shit.
Jaysus Bookmakers obviously don’t know shit.
Conchita was out of this mothertucking world ❤❤❤❤❤
Donny Montell two times here 😀
Bookies always underrating Albania hugely
It does not underrating it, because if you see what happened, Albania didn't win.
Pure Lithuania
SEBI😭😭💕💕💕
Lithuania just .... how much times we will be here more?
the odds at 2013 are sucks omg
jesus what do y'all have against albania
А где Лазарев??? В 2019 он был у буков 12, а стал 3
Тут учитывается последний результат букмекеров, а последний результат Лазарева 8 место, можете сами посмотреть.
Borat is from turkey?? 2012
How popular was meant to be 10th while it was the winner of the semi final?
Well Austria and the nethetlands in 2014 both not in top 10 and 1st and 2nd
basically every albanian song lol
I thought moldovia was 25th
Could we talk about how in the hell malta could achieve 8th in 2013? Insane
How the hell was Mall 24 in the odds??
In 2019, Slovenia got 13th
Moldova was 12th in 2011
What does "odds" mean
Let's handle Moldova and Albania a win to irritate the bookers
Conclusion: the bookmakers cannot predict 26th place and they hate Moldova a lot and Albania as well
Good job Donny lmao