I thinks its more of a generational thing. I had a friend that didn't like Nina because she had formed opinions on things, didn't seem very connected with modern topics, and that air of experience and disconnection with some modern trends and topics of the current generation threw my friend off for some reason. I see that Nijisanji locked her in with people younger than her, and some of them treated her as a "mother" figure as she was clearly older than them, and that might have been the reason why. Now as Matara, she can express herself more without fear of consequence or being misunderstood, and that is great to see.
I have major respect for Matara Kan, i think it’s unfortunate that the NIJISANJI fanbase was so toxic to Matara/Nina, glad she’s doing better now. Much love to Matara 💜
Nina was arguably the glue that held the EN branch together. She was very extroverted and if I’m remembering correctly, helped ease the EN guys into the company when they first joined. It’s a shame that she got hate (it go so bad that there was a whole document for the hate towards her) for being extroverted. I really liked her design and I even prefer it over the roach design. I’m glad that her new fanbase is more accepting to who she is and is more respectful for those that enjoy her content. It’s admittedly hard to watch her when she’s on Twitch 24/7, and I wish she could stream on UA-cam like she used to.
I've read part of it and the shit on it is sooooo petty and stupid and frankly control freak-esque. These people were seriously mad because she didn't fit this bizarre infantile otaku stereotype but acted like an actual person on stream.
@@antonioscendrategattico2302she's the type of streamer that I gravitate to....ones that speak like real people and not a character if I'm explaining correctly. I've never watched her streams, just clips every now and then; I like her voice and personality 🙂
The fact she felt bad for leaving because it meant someone else would get the hate makes that place sound more like an emotionally abusive relationship than a talent agency.
5:22 "Nijisanji fans clearly didn't know what it was like to have a friend, or have friendly banter with your friends." GYATT DAYUM...! tbf after the shit I've seen, this is probably 100% true, but DAYUM!
But that's true. If you look at what the hate was about and if you saw the google doc - it is obvious. Haters literally were socially disabled people, unironic hikkas, unicorns, and fujoshis. They take everything on screen insanely seriously and saw Nina as extremely annoying, obnoxious, intrusive, overstepping, etc. And I'm not saying that in a derogatory way. I'm an introvert too, but I have managed to pull myself out to be a little bit more communicative to make my life objectively better and easier. So, I kinda understand their behavior, and that it is not a healthy degree of introvercy.
I don't know why she got all the hate, Nina was literally the most unique talent in the company. Her being older and acting like a loving mother to the other talents, as well as being lost with gen z humor, that was just... *chef's kiss*. Anyway, I'm glad she's finally found a place where she can be happy.
I think Niji went full idol company formula, and were fine with toxic customers because they expected it. Cover seems to have gone for talent agency formula instead, and act like they are promoters, rather than running a stable (with the faces being livestock).
@@ichigokageThe overall design was just peak vtuber design ngl. It's so recognizable and unique despite being so simple compared to most modern vtuber designs.
I actually wondered why she left and...yeah that makes all the sense. All the sisters attacked her fans and drove her away. I honestly wonder how many of the people were fans of certain niji members, sister brainrot needs to be studied to prevent future parasocial bullshit. But hey that's the culture Niji has built and they're suffering for it now. Karma catches us all at some point
it's the same parasocialism that plagues minecraft streamers, so you can study them too. I think it has something to do with lack of empathy (which is a surprising byproduct of the internet) and tribalism? like very black and white "you are like me or you are wrong" being in their midst is horrible but they're like morbidly fascinating to watch from afar.
Every community does have those really bad weirdos but the vtubing space in general and Niji in particular are up there. Negative things are hardly acknowledged and if they are it's shifted to 'antis' instead of doing some self-reflecting and self-policing as a community. Add to that the general streaming 'problem' where chat and members of chat can gain a certain level orf notoriety and you get a group of massive egos with little to no boundaries.
That just means Nijisanji is no different than any other business in the entertainment industry or any other thing. Like someone just said that crap is everywhere. You should study the Internet/UA-cam Wrestling Community. You would want to rip off all your pubic hair dealing with that crap.
she definitely did the right thing. i hate she felt she had to leave, but for her wellbeing it was absolutely the best to do. nobody should have to put up with being shat on for not much other than being extroverted or sit and feel they have to be "tolerated" to exist in a space. now she has the safe space to build a community that genuinely reflects the love she puts out and give back to those putting into her. she's already accomplished so much in vshojo, and i hope she keeps going strong!
I feel this so much even in a different surrounding. I was bullied relentlessly in school to the point of having severe ptsd. I ended up graduating 2 years early by testing out of school. On my last day when my mom went in to sign paper work she was asked if she was my mom by other students and told all these nice things about me. Nice things i never once heard in person because at the point associating with me made you a target. Leaving that school and ultimately finding my own way in life as an artist saved me but it was genuinely difficult to get past the idea that people cared about me but not enough to have the guts to stand up for me. That took a long time in therapy to deal with that trauma and it’s still not gone.
Therapy actually can't really help remove trauma. Coming from somebody whose severely traumatized and has done some real bad stuff from the trauma. But those were in the past. Trauma NEVER goes away. It can be managed, but it will not disappear, its not magic. Therapy is helpful only if you need it, especially a therapist who won't judge you or get you locked up for the traumas/actions you took from said traumas, even if its literally in the past and can't be taken back.
Wow a lot more people ended up seeing this book than i thought. i wasnt expecting this to be on this channel. well. i shouldve expected it actually. _Aki_
She’s why I even found Nijisanji.. I loved her stream of Dungeon Keeper 2, a childhood favorite of mine, and that’s what pulled me in. Her powerwash streams were so chill too, her vibes gave me so much peace in hard times it’s so sad that she was so mistreated in that time :(
One of my earliest memories of seeing Matara Kan - and honestly, this was before the whole Dokibird thing and before I even knew about Vtubers and Nijisanji - I saw a clip of her talking about how she's happy that people can cosplay her without getting hate/shamed on. I thought it was because her model was an insect and she was quirky and niche (I sincerely knew NOTHING about the drama XD) and I remember being like "AW! I'm so glad you were able to create that sort of community for other like minded people! I'm so happy for you! I hope you continue to have all the success in the world!" Before I even knew what a vtuber was, I was a Matara Kan fan. She's my favorite and I still wish her all the success and happiness she deserves
I still dont really understand why they hated Matara, jealousy? Cause they wanted the vtuber they liked to have Matara's personality instead of what they got? The unlimited yapping and extrovert energy? But hey, at the end of the day, im still glad she got out of there and is now realizing her dreams and getting the more love she never got.
Fearing that one joke could end you was sadly valid, because one joke could end you. We literally saw it happen to another. I never really watching anyone from Niji, but when I did occasionally see them, maybe in collab outside the company, you could just tell that were stiffly restraining themselves and choosing their words. And then you see them a year later in a different body, and they're so much more free and there's no tension radiating off them anymore.
Yes. Matara truly was the most problematic one. Not the guy telling people to vent their problems via super chat (then getting mad for trauma dumping), the one who cultivated a parasocial cult following, the one who more or less faked his entire career there, the back stabbers, or the openly racist one. Nope it was Matara for being Matara. Im happy she got out and is thriving now because she is a perfect fit in Vshojo to the point cant believe its only been a year. The Norn queen has been such a good match it feels like shes been there since the start.
Cultivated the most toxic parasocial fans ahem luxiem, did u see how many threw dirt on Matara and mika (idk her vshoto name mb) for just being close, 2022 trip or smth
I am still quite sad. Nina was my Oshi. I didn't turn into streams a lot. But if i turned on a stream it was hers. Sad i lost that since i couldn't adjust to new model and new platform. Still her Membership opening stream is one of my fondest memories
I think also a part of how the talents get covered is also an issue. Eg. Hex got clipped with his statement about the community of... what was it...? That 'people won't give you flowers until you are dead'...? Or something along those lines...? Out of context, really sounds like a terrible thing to say. Probably the statement was cut terribly as well with a huge difference between if it were "those people" instead of just "people." So some people (hi, me) got a bit annoyed with the poor phrasing a bit If titles of videos/streams use 'clickbait' titles like calling someone "problematic"... you'll get idiots who decide that is exactly what those people are, without even bothering to look at the content within the video/stream to even see evidence that they probably aren't actually a problem Then just general coverage of the situation where things sway public conception. Sometimes wider coverage is bad since instead of it being just something within a group that can be handled internally, you'll start getting outsiders (like myself) who are not fully aware of the current scenario... but will start judging based on the little information that they are getting of the situation. And sometimes a bit of misinformation or skewed information gets spread because of that as well (hi, it's me, I'm the problem, it's me). Which then spreads further, then gets to specific individuals who are more "act first, think later" who will probably end up causing problems... such as harassment and such. Remember some of the boycott rally calls during the Israel-Palestine conflict(s)? How some people were calling for boycotts of... 'pressure targets'...? Just because they were listed on a graphic...? And how the people who published said graphic had to go back and add "(non-boycott)" to said graphic later...? The issue of a wider audience on the net isn't percentage of individuals who are an issue vs who aren't... it is by number of specific individuals who are acting on one side or the other. If the wider net that join in due to wider spread of coverage are supportive, then it can be a good thing for squashing some of the more vocal negative individuals -- but if it is overall neutral or negative, you might end up pulling in one of the more vocal individuals who will start causing more issues instead. So it is a gamble, particularly when it comes to more delicate situations. There's some drama going on elsewhere for Vtubing between a regular streamer and some Vtubers that is a total mess right now that I don't want to get involved in. In that scenario, the Vtuber dragged in other Vtubers and related groups to try to crush the non-Vtuber streamer. I'm keeping the hell away from that conflict, 'cuz it's a really stupid one where there's misinformation upon misinformation upon misinformation... and all parties involved honestly fked up pretty considerably in several instances. Wider audiences make these things all sorts of messy =_=;;
As someone who is and was almost entirely outside the niji circle, Nina was always one of the stand out personalities to me, she was so unabashedly herself in an industry where people hide behind or enjoy playing characters, and her personality was unique and fun which made for great clips and great collab situations. Matara has continued that trend and I'm glad that she feels good about it now, especially since she is unbound from the rules and regulations of niji
I had no idea people were being toxic towards her. I didn’t really interact with other Niji fans when I was a Niji fan, I just watched the streams. All the talents seemed pretty fond of “fox mom.” I remember watching one of her last streams as Nina and being sad that I hadn’t really ever watched her before, because she’s great. Glad that I can watch her, even if she’s in a different company. Niji sucks so haha
Even tho there's many many many fans who love her, I always felt nervous on the internet to express how much I love Calli from Holo. She's so wonderful and a really hard worker. And had a few rough bumps a while back but I remember always seeing people claim she's racist, or her music is trash and anyone who likes her is trash ect....idk
Wow. What a toxic place to be in. Someone was driven to the brink of suicide, the other was robbed of every opportunity, and one of them is just outright bullied into leaving. And we don't even know the full picture.
If it took hex the beginning of 2024 on wanting graduate imgaine how many more en talents that wanna graduate. Nijisanji en will be no more in mid 2025 they'll get the ID treatment.
@@Duamerthrax probably need to wait in the queue. iirc every streamer who left "peacefully" said that they've planned it for around 4-6 months. except kyo, i guess?
I think her feelings are more than just valid and there was nothing selfish about her decision. Everyone wants to be happy and have something to truly call there own. I'm happy for Matara that she found her community and happy place. Its really great to see that she is generally liked by her coworkers and fans alike. I'm a clip watcher mostly but I can tell that she is a cool and kind person, so it makes me really smile to know that she is now happy and got what she deserved.
Matara is one of my favorite vshojo ladies. She is such an extrovert, but understands introverts and pushes them gently. The fact that niji managed her ( and others) so poorly, irritates me. A multi billion dollar company that, from reports, used high school graduates with no experience as managers for their talents is insane.
This just proves that nijianji fans, can be absolutely horrible people. That fact that they didn't Like Nina Kousaka, like what? Why? Because of her vibe? For having fun?? I'm glad she's part of Vshojo and is surrounded by wonderful talents and fans Edit: The fact that she felt that she was being selfish for leaving Niji is heartbreaking.....
I never have a good impression with Niji fans back then Last time when i was having art booth in some con selling hololive fan merch there is this couple nijifans asking me if i have niji fans merch I reply them "maybe some day coz i dont have time",and these nijifan insult me because i am Hololive fans calling me L It was really rude This was before nijien downfall, i was really planning to make NijiEN merch too coz i was a dragoon
Because of some mental hangups I have with larger chats, I can't enjoy Matara's content like I used to...But I still ADORE her and her content and am over the moon happy for her for being in a much better place for her both mentally and career-wise. The irony is that when she was part of "the bigger group" she had a smaller audience than she has now... That kind of hurts when you think about it. I still have a warm memory of chilling in a just chatting stream with Nina while on my main monitor I was playing The Long Dark.. She went AFK to pick up some drinks and when I commented on how fast she was, sheengaged me in chat and by name and told he she lived close to a small family business and we talked about supporting smaller family owned businesses and how good it is and feels to do so. I'm not sure why that memory stuck with me so much but it did. Such a silly little moment.. But my point is, she is the sweetest woman and deserves nothing but the best and brightest moments.
the thing that i found really crazzy about niji are those people that seems a fan of the corpo rather than the talent like.. what the hell?? like how they attack their own talent or each other like.. if niji are like holo where yagoo often among the fans, and the management also have face in the form of A-chan, i can still make some sense of it but niji corp and their management are completely unknown, with only riku as the sole face, and he's not even likeable so.., what the fuck niji do that they have these rabid fans and defender that seems simping the corpo instead of the talent??
Mata is such an amazing person, I loved her before too. She never deserved what happened to her. Nina was such a fun character to watch. I loved Nina. Now I love Matara. She’s been my Oshi for the longest time since the beginning
I’m much more casual of a vtuber fan than most, but Nina was my favorite in niji. It took me a long time to notice how much hate she got considering how out of the loop I was, but I was heartbroken when I realized. And I was heartbroken when she left. But when Matara popped up, I was elated. I could immediately tell this would be a much better fit for her. I’m so glad she’s thriving and got the community she deserves, and that her fans can be open about it without getting such a barrage of harassment.
I was there when toxic fans passed around a docs on what she "supposedly" did that made nijien talents uncomfortable. It was truly heartbreaking when i believed some of them then later on actually watched her and knowing what kind of streamer she really was. Looking back almost all of them where taken out of context and was made bigger that what it was supposed to be. I feel bad for her
War flashbacks to the document listing all the reasons why antis hate her and one of the stuff in the list was her making a "your mom" joke. I cannot make this up
Danm the actual good en members get treated like crap while the trash one's thrive I'm still here for one person you can tell by my pfp after she leaves then no more nijisanji for me
I think it's "monkey see, monkey do." Toxic niji fans see their oshis excluding or bullying someone and they follow along. There's also the possibility that some niji livers could have second accounts and start the drama themselves. Not trying to be a conspiracy theorist, but that's happened more than a few times on the internet. Regardless of the actual reasons, niji is just a toxic place. Just what in the actual f man!?
"I felt like I was always going to be one bad joke away from getting canceled forever" Nina graduated 4 months after Sayu's termination. These suddenly feel very related.
I feel like that’s what happened to Lulu as well. Her community was not that strong and I remember her talking about death threats in her graduation stream.
She was not my oshi then but i still remember that I cried my heart out when she announced her graduation, and now watching this, am ugly crying again. I only wish her to thrive even more and stay the same that she is. 😭🫶🏼
I have a mother and I love her but Nina/Matara was a form of mother figure I didn't realize I wanted. I still remember her alcohol infusion streams, I don't even like alcohol but if I'm going to drink it's gonna be one I've flavored myself. I will always remember her baby advice for new adults and how she cried when she left. She means a lot to me and I love her, so happy she's doing better ❤
What activists? They're internet trolls and stalkers. An activist goes off the internet and works for shit they believe in. Is this what Twitter has convinced people what an activist is?
@@magicalgalaxylavenderI remembered what Asmongold said about the antis or people that dumps on innocents. Oh yes he calls them morbidly obese losers whose ugly and instead of improving themselves, attacks others on the Internet and it's proof when they have an anime girl profile picture. The moment he said that they wanted to tell UA-cam he's bullying them but he said the truth 😂
I always felt that Matara was THE person you would want to be close with as a friend or coworker. She seems like she would be the one with great advice and genuinely celebrate your successes. No wonder the Nijibullies hated her
I like Matara and when she was Nina her energy is what got me into VTubers. I’m considered a mom friend myself so I feel similar to her. She’s fun, exuberant and just a sweetheart. It’s fine if she’s not your cup of tea. Just block her, unsubscribe and ignore that space. It’s that simple. But apparently not for many internet users sadly. Mata is amazing and I’m glad her and other got out of that noxious hellhole.
I will endlessly say I have no idea how the JP side of KS works, I don't know how the fans are or how the talent over there acts, but the EN branch feels like it's just a cesspool of anger hatred and vitriol full of bitterness from fan to management.
This is how you can tell that I don't really know Niji community that well Because I thought she was beloved. I liked her. She was like a hot older Russian lady. I don't even call vtubers hot often but she was 😅
@@scottiecurrie7927 That's not it. Luna was a Niji streamer before joining Hololive. She left Niji due to bullying and was saved by Yagoo. Niji had these kind of issues for years.
Interestingly enough, I may have not been a big fan of Nina, I still thought she was neat from my first impressions. I loved her energy, I loved the energy that she brought to collabs and her streams. I loved her voice when she sang her covers to the point I wished she had more original songs. So, I hoped she would be more streams with everyone in the cast, but calling her problematic when there are streams of a certain demon made me question everything
I’m not super integrated into the VTibing community but I had no idea that Matara was Nina. Just as I was starting to follow her she announced her graduation and I kinda abandoned everything after that.
been watching mata and she is so sweet and endearing she has that older auntie\manager vibe where she focuses and helps those around her i honestly don't know how you can hate her for focusing on her friends and trying to help them yes her jokes can be a bit unhinged at times ,but that is what older humor is and if you dont vibe to it just dont be a toxic asshole
I didn't got the chance to really be in Nina's community back then, I like her vibes and design. But the roommate I was with back then was really vocal on Niji's enemies. So I often kinda feel more conflicted with her. Not long after i been in, she left and I kinda moved on myself to elsewhere. It's always feel scary for me to be in these big communities since oh nyo too many people is here but I kinda want to wish on her continue success.
If even Matara, who is in many ways a Queen of bringing many Vtubers together and is super supportive in so many ways, couldn't grow a community there then who could? Sounds like a hell of a working climate they have allowed to fester there.
Honestly running Matara out of niji was probably one of the worst things to happen to them as it opened the floodgates for everyone else to leave after they saw how she flourished afterwards so glad she is doing so well now and that others are getting out and finding happiness also
The personal Fancommunitys in the Vtuber industry are so essential. She is right we have the Corpo Fans that love Hololive, VShojo etc but the small Fandoms of the individual Talents are what really make all of this so interesting for me. They basicly form their own little cultures within their oshi´s sphere and come together during greater events. It is so defining and normal to vtubing to me that not being able to grow your own community really sounds horrible for me.
Niji fans hating on people for having friends because they can never experience having friends due to their horrendous personalities is wildly hilarious.
I never used those crap sites like twitter or tiktok. I was always watching Nina and never understood the hate she got. Any of you that hated her, I hope you eventually get the karma you deserve. Thanks for using the whole clip, you could cut it up for whatever reason you want but you always seem to try to keep the full context Khyo and its one of the reason I still watch you, you don't go for the most drama but the most truth. Thank you Khyo and please keep it up ❤
Kinda feel like hoyo fans who always fought with each other despite playing the game made by the very same company I hope matara will keep on doing better ✊️
I'm glad she got out (and Kuro) and I hope more vtubers follow, as hard of a choice as that is. The nijisanji fandoms have lots of good people but so many loud toxic fans that act so inappropriately. It's awful that it sound like the company was/is limiting them from policing their own communities properly and shutting those people down.
I actually lost a friendship that I had for almost 8 years die to a disagreement over Nina 😭 This person was a huge 🔮 fan and at the time the document was going around and I think it speculated that Nina made him uncomfortable because she was being a Fujo or some stupid shit like that its been 2 uears so I apologize for the huge paraphrasing. Anyways; they mentioned that to me and immediately I retort back with "Well we don't know them personally and I think thats a huge generalization to make about a stranger behind an anime girl avatar" and they like flipped out because they thought I was excusing gay fetishizers. Crazy shit. In the end it kinda relieved me to not be their friend anymore as they had always been negative about my Oshi's (Ethyria as a whole) and other more serious/personal stuff.
I always felt like her old genmates were too catty and cliquey for her tbh... and i'd never actually seen other niji fans hating on her but I'm so glad she got out and is doing so much better now 😭
I know nina from risu and ollie of holoID and she was funny, i have no idea why they hated her That fandom is kinda stupid, alienating one of it's fanbase, do they understand the phrase "the more the merrier"? And what's more moronic is the company that allow this, they done nothing to stop this or to try unite their stupid fandom, lol i guess that's expected for a company that's so short sighted, they doesn't see the fandom as an important part and not just a cash cow to bleed dry
Mainly the reason people didn't like her was because of the "Male shipping and harem" drama with the male vtubers who came out to say that "she made them uncomfortable." But that was back when she was Nina. Now shes Mata. And its now clear that she didnt deserve all that hate.
Not to say I don’t believe you, but which male v-tubers specifically are you referring to that actually came out and said that? And do you have the clip of it? Because I’ve heard this claim before too, but only through third parties (usually antis) and have yet to see any actual proof or clip of a member agreeing to the claim themself.
@salt3685 OK, so I looked back and there were a few things. 1, Nina, Vox, and Mysta at the time did the pocky challenge and Nina wanted Vox and Mysta to do it together which caused Vox to express his uncomfort (which was later talked about with the three). 2. The harem situation with Uki, where Nina pestered kyo on a minecraft stream where kyo said he was uncomfortable with Nina talking about it since his "like a brother" was in the harem.
Ive honestly never been a fan of Matara/Nina. Sometimes overly extroverted people can come off obnoxious and off-putting. But I never wished her ill-will or contributed any toxicity. It's sad that she had to deal with all that hate.
Nina is what got me into Niji and discovered a lot of fun streamers from there. They've almost all left at this point though. I didn't hate the ones before that, but it did seem like Niji was hiring a specific type of vtuber and wasn't looking for a variety within each gen. Compare that to Hololive or PhaseConnect, which has good variety each time.
The hate that Nina got was crazy, and it was mainly because she apparently “made other livers uncomfortable” even though as far as I’m concerned, several of them said themselves that she didn’t make them uncomfortable. I’m glad she got out of that company and removed herself from that toxic environment, she was one of my favorites.
I was there as a Dragoon and "fans" even spread baseless rumors about her among themselves. That (afair) after she got her followers by her early collabs on her channel (mostly with the boys), she outright rejected these very same collab partners when they wanted her to pay them back a visit with another collab on their channel. I don't buy anything I don't know, but unfortunately many fell for that and started to want her out of the circle to see her get punished for it. After a while of suffering she came back from that isolation with tears, apologies and promises to be better. Well it didn't last long and graduation came. Now I know for sure what she apologized for, it's just sad. Just as ones trying to do that to her. Never feel bad for that sh*thole. They don't deserve it.
Mata and Michi really need to understand that there are people who truely care for them and let them be the goofballs they are. I hope they got reset in Vshojo so that they can really achieve their goals
I will always miss fox mom. I watch Matara less, but only cause I have severe entomophobia. Every now and them she sets it off. I am glad she got "reincarnated" and found her place... Even if she is a bug.
I’m glad vshojo gave her everything she deserves to have that helps her
I’m also glad
@@KeebeThePlush Same. I was really happy when she came back.
The fact that people didn't like Nina, never sat well with me. She was always so fun and genuine and energetic.
Probably the most genuine person ever employed by Niji. Maybe the other members are intimidated that she didn't wear a mask 🤔
Mata is a gem
She's too girly for my liking tbqh, I've never really liked her even though her taste in games is pretty kino.
@@_-pf_gd-_ Yes, but did you go out of your way to criticize fans of her? That's the group that's really being discussed here.
I thinks its more of a generational thing.
I had a friend that didn't like Nina because she had formed opinions on things, didn't seem very connected with modern topics, and that air of experience and disconnection with some modern trends and topics of the current generation threw my friend off for some reason.
I see that Nijisanji locked her in with people younger than her, and some of them treated her as a "mother" figure as she was clearly older than them, and that might have been the reason why.
Now as Matara, she can express herself more without fear of consequence or being misunderstood, and that is great to see.
I have major respect for Matara Kan, i think it’s unfortunate that the NIJISANJI fanbase was so toxic to Matara/Nina, glad she’s doing better now. Much love to Matara 💜
Nina was arguably the glue that held the EN branch together. She was very extroverted and if I’m remembering correctly, helped ease the EN guys into the company when they first joined.
It’s a shame that she got hate (it go so bad that there was a whole document for the hate towards her) for being extroverted. I really liked her design and I even prefer it over the roach design.
I’m glad that her new fanbase is more accepting to who she is and is more respectful for those that enjoy her content.
It’s admittedly hard to watch her when she’s on Twitch 24/7, and I wish she could stream on UA-cam like she used to.
She does have a VOD channel iirc so her twitch streams go there.
I've read part of it and the shit on it is sooooo petty and stupid and frankly control freak-esque. These people were seriously mad because she didn't fit this bizarre infantile otaku stereotype but acted like an actual person on stream.
@@antonioscendrategattico2302she's the type of streamer that I gravitate to....ones that speak like real people and not a character if I'm explaining correctly.
I've never watched her streams, just clips every now and then; I like her voice and personality 🙂
The fact she felt bad for leaving because it meant someone else would get the hate makes that place sound more like an emotionally abusive relationship than a talent agency.
@@simbriant it's really sad on so many levels
5:22
"Nijisanji fans clearly didn't know what it was like to have a friend, or have friendly banter with your friends."
GYATT DAYUM...! tbf after the shit I've seen, this is probably 100% true, but DAYUM!
LIKE DAMN they (Niji sisters) deserve it BUT DAMN!
But that's true. If you look at what the hate was about and if you saw the google doc - it is obvious. Haters literally were socially disabled people, unironic hikkas, unicorns, and fujoshis. They take everything on screen insanely seriously and saw Nina as extremely annoying, obnoxious, intrusive, overstepping, etc.
And I'm not saying that in a derogatory way. I'm an introvert too, but I have managed to pull myself out to be a little bit more communicative to make my life objectively better and easier. So, I kinda understand their behavior, and that it is not a healthy degree of introvercy.
Matara is honestly my new comfort wine mom and I absolutely am so happy she got out of that company.
I love the fact she has a scrap book of her community messages that means alot to her, it is very heart warming ❤
I don't know why she got all the hate, Nina was literally the most unique talent in the company. Her being older and acting like a loving mother to the other talents, as well as being lost with gen z humor, that was just... *chef's kiss*. Anyway, I'm glad she's finally found a place where she can be happy.
I think Niji went full idol company formula, and were fine with toxic customers because they expected it. Cover seems to have gone for talent agency formula instead, and act like they are promoters, rather than running a stable (with the faces being livestock).
her nina kousaka avatar was sooooo good and it suited her very much, it was wasted potential
It really was, so bin really did a great job!
I will say what I adore about her Matara model? The eyes. They’re utterly gorgeous. Also the monster fangs are cute too.
@@ichigokageThe overall design was just peak vtuber design ngl. It's so recognizable and unique despite being so simple compared to most modern vtuber designs.
@@bored_boar oh absolutely. The entire design is immaculate. I love the colors as well! Everyone who worked on her model cooked!
I actually wondered why she left and...yeah that makes all the sense. All the sisters attacked her fans and drove her away. I honestly wonder how many of the people were fans of certain niji members, sister brainrot needs to be studied to prevent future parasocial bullshit. But hey that's the culture Niji has built and they're suffering for it now. Karma catches us all at some point
it's the same parasocialism that plagues minecraft streamers, so you can study them too. I think it has something to do with lack of empathy (which is a surprising byproduct of the internet) and tribalism? like very black and white "you are like me or you are wrong"
being in their midst is horrible but they're like morbidly fascinating to watch from afar.
Tribal Warefare and Kin Selection are as old as the human race. We will never truely get rid of the "Us vs Them" mentality.
Every community does have those really bad weirdos but the vtubing space in general and Niji in particular are up there. Negative things are hardly acknowledged and if they are it's shifted to 'antis' instead of doing some self-reflecting and self-policing as a community.
Add to that the general streaming 'problem' where chat and members of chat can gain a certain level orf notoriety and you get a group of massive egos with little to no boundaries.
And then the sisters made her discussion thread the place where they plan on harassing other VTubers, especially those of Hololive.
That just means Nijisanji is no different than any other business in the entertainment industry or any other thing. Like someone just said that crap is everywhere. You should study the Internet/UA-cam Wrestling Community. You would want to rip off all your pubic hair dealing with that crap.
I'm so fucking happy for her. She hit the literal jackpot in terms of where she ended up and she deserves every single good thing coming to her.
Stinky fairy = Pomu?
Definitely
Absolutely refering to Pomu
Pomu is a gamer, so yes
Yup
Its her
she definitely did the right thing. i hate she felt she had to leave, but for her wellbeing it was absolutely the best to do. nobody should have to put up with being shat on for not much other than being extroverted or sit and feel they have to be "tolerated" to exist in a space. now she has the safe space to build a community that genuinely reflects the love she puts out and give back to those putting into her. she's already accomplished so much in vshojo, and i hope she keeps going strong!
I feel this so much even in a different surrounding. I was bullied relentlessly in school to the point of having severe ptsd. I ended up graduating 2 years early by testing out of school. On my last day when my mom went in to sign paper work she was asked if she was my mom by other students and told all these nice things about me. Nice things i never once heard in person because at the point associating with me made you a target. Leaving that school and ultimately finding my own way in life as an artist saved me but it was genuinely difficult to get past the idea that people cared about me but not enough to have the guts to stand up for me. That took a long time in therapy to deal with that trauma and it’s still not gone.
Therapy actually can't really help remove trauma. Coming from somebody whose severely traumatized and has done some real bad stuff from the trauma. But those were in the past. Trauma NEVER goes away. It can be managed, but it will not disappear, its not magic. Therapy is helpful only if you need it, especially a therapist who won't judge you or get you locked up for the traumas/actions you took from said traumas, even if its literally in the past and can't be taken back.
I was a huge Nina fan, and I was not aware the rest of the Niji fandom hated us
Me too I loved Nina it hurts finding out how much she was hated
Those parasocial luxiem fans gotta apologise to you guys lmao
@@blitzkri860 naah i doubt it... They're called parasocial fans for some reason lmao
@@blitzkri860I’m a Luxiem fan and I never hated Nina. She was my favorite too. I just never understood nor knew why people hated her..
Me too, I'm so glad she's back
Wow a lot more people ended up seeing this book than i thought. i wasnt expecting this to be on this channel. well. i shouldve expected it actually. _Aki_
You and everyone involved did good. You did real good.
You're never selfish for wanting to be happy.
I hope that roach mom is happy and thriving now.
She’s why I even found Nijisanji.. I loved her stream of Dungeon Keeper 2, a childhood favorite of mine, and that’s what pulled me in. Her powerwash streams were so chill too, her vibes gave me so much peace in hard times it’s so sad that she was so mistreated in that time :(
One of my earliest memories of seeing Matara Kan - and honestly, this was before the whole Dokibird thing and before I even knew about Vtubers and Nijisanji - I saw a clip of her talking about how she's happy that people can cosplay her without getting hate/shamed on. I thought it was because her model was an insect and she was quirky and niche (I sincerely knew NOTHING about the drama XD) and I remember being like "AW! I'm so glad you were able to create that sort of community for other like minded people! I'm so happy for you! I hope you continue to have all the success in the world!"
Before I even knew what a vtuber was, I was a Matara Kan fan. She's my favorite and I still wish her all the success and happiness she deserves
I hope Matara gets better (Also Khyo is a fluffy rabbit)
I still dont really understand why they hated Matara, jealousy? Cause they wanted the vtuber they liked to have Matara's personality instead of what they got? The unlimited yapping and extrovert energy? But hey, at the end of the day, im still glad she got out of there and is now realizing her dreams and getting the more love she never got.
From what i understand, the haters are sensitive at the fact that matara was being vulgar with her friends
Its sad that she convinced herself that its selfish to want to grow your own community
Im glad she's thriving now
Fearing that one joke could end you was sadly valid, because one joke could end you. We literally saw it happen to another. I never really watching anyone from Niji, but when I did occasionally see them, maybe in collab outside the company, you could just tell that were stiffly restraining themselves and choosing their words. And then you see them a year later in a different body, and they're so much more free and there's no tension radiating off them anymore.
Yes. Matara truly was the most problematic one. Not the guy telling people to vent their problems via super chat (then getting mad for trauma dumping), the one who cultivated a parasocial cult following, the one who more or less faked his entire career there, the back stabbers, or the openly racist one. Nope it was Matara for being Matara. Im happy she got out and is thriving now because she is a perfect fit in Vshojo to the point cant believe its only been a year. The Norn queen has been such a good match it feels like shes been there since the start.
At that time, hex wasn't there. also who's the parasocial cult haver, if i may ask?
@@kaeya-san3103 based on the options left, it's gotta be vox
I have nothing but pity for hex fans. Imagine being so blind and consume all the bs he spews. Just like the victim that can never leave the abuser.
Cultivated the most toxic parasocial fans ahem luxiem, did u see how many threw dirt on Matara and mika (idk her vshoto name mb) for just being close, 2022 trip or smth
I hate to ask but who "more or less faked his career"?
She couldn't grow a community that just sad but it's true even for the new talents in niji en.
I am still quite sad. Nina was my Oshi. I didn't turn into streams a lot. But if i turned on a stream it was hers. Sad i lost that since i couldn't adjust to new model and new platform. Still her Membership opening stream is one of my fondest memories
I would put this 100% on the niji fanbase. Even in 4chan, that is often negative about everything, Nina was refered as one of "the good ones".
there's always a toxic part of every community.
In vtuber community, however, niji always stands out. It's amazing.
Bad management and favoritism aside, I feel like that fandom is also eating away at the current talents if they keep this up
I think also a part of how the talents get covered is also an issue. Eg. Hex got clipped with his statement about the community of... what was it...? That 'people won't give you flowers until you are dead'...? Or something along those lines...? Out of context, really sounds like a terrible thing to say. Probably the statement was cut terribly as well with a huge difference between if it were "those people" instead of just "people." So some people (hi, me) got a bit annoyed with the poor phrasing a bit
If titles of videos/streams use 'clickbait' titles like calling someone "problematic"... you'll get idiots who decide that is exactly what those people are, without even bothering to look at the content within the video/stream to even see evidence that they probably aren't actually a problem
Then just general coverage of the situation where things sway public conception. Sometimes wider coverage is bad since instead of it being just something within a group that can be handled internally, you'll start getting outsiders (like myself) who are not fully aware of the current scenario... but will start judging based on the little information that they are getting of the situation. And sometimes a bit of misinformation or skewed information gets spread because of that as well (hi, it's me, I'm the problem, it's me). Which then spreads further, then gets to specific individuals who are more "act first, think later" who will probably end up causing problems... such as harassment and such. Remember some of the boycott rally calls during the Israel-Palestine conflict(s)? How some people were calling for boycotts of... 'pressure targets'...? Just because they were listed on a graphic...? And how the people who published said graphic had to go back and add "(non-boycott)" to said graphic later...?
The issue of a wider audience on the net isn't percentage of individuals who are an issue vs who aren't... it is by number of specific individuals who are acting on one side or the other. If the wider net that join in due to wider spread of coverage are supportive, then it can be a good thing for squashing some of the more vocal negative individuals -- but if it is overall neutral or negative, you might end up pulling in one of the more vocal individuals who will start causing more issues instead. So it is a gamble, particularly when it comes to more delicate situations. There's some drama going on elsewhere for Vtubing between a regular streamer and some Vtubers that is a total mess right now that I don't want to get involved in. In that scenario, the Vtuber dragged in other Vtubers and related groups to try to crush the non-Vtuber streamer. I'm keeping the hell away from that conflict, 'cuz it's a really stupid one where there's misinformation upon misinformation upon misinformation... and all parties involved honestly fked up pretty considerably in several instances. Wider audiences make these things all sorts of messy =_=;;
As someone who is and was almost entirely outside the niji circle, Nina was always one of the stand out personalities to me, she was so unabashedly herself in an industry where people hide behind or enjoy playing characters, and her personality was unique and fun which made for great clips and great collab situations. Matara has continued that trend and I'm glad that she feels good about it now, especially since she is unbound from the rules and regulations of niji
I had no idea people were being toxic towards her. I didn’t really interact with other Niji fans when I was a Niji fan, I just watched the streams. All the talents seemed pretty fond of “fox mom.” I remember watching one of her last streams as Nina and being sad that I hadn’t really ever watched her before, because she’s great. Glad that I can watch her, even if she’s in a different company. Niji sucks so haha
Even tho there's many many many fans who love her, I always felt nervous on the internet to express how much I love Calli from Holo. She's so wonderful and a really hard worker. And had a few rough bumps a while back but I remember always seeing people claim she's racist, or her music is trash and anyone who likes her is trash ect....idk
hes a proud condom money donator. Aside from that point alot of her hater points are bullshit though yeah.
Wow. What a toxic place to be in. Someone was driven to the brink of suicide, the other was robbed of every opportunity, and one of them is just outright bullied into leaving. And we don't even know the full picture.
If it took hex the beginning of 2024 on wanting graduate imgaine how many more en talents that wanna graduate. Nijisanji en will be no more in mid 2025 they'll get the ID treatment.
Elira and Vox will more than likely be the only ones left and both are blatant criminals
I don't even know why they're waiting. Do they actually think they'll get their severance package for playing ball?
@@Duamerthrax probably need to wait in the queue. iirc every streamer who left "peacefully" said that they've planned it for around 4-6 months. except kyo, i guess?
They let id die they didn't even try to get new people to join id I think they id die because they weren't making much money from id
Dude is lucky to even have a graduation. Termination fits him better.
I think her feelings are more than just valid and there was nothing selfish about her decision. Everyone wants to be happy and have something to truly call there own.
I'm happy for Matara that she found her community and happy place. Its really great to see that she is generally liked by her coworkers and fans alike.
I'm a clip watcher mostly but I can tell that she is a cool and kind person, so it makes me really smile to know that she is now happy and got what she deserved.
Matara is one of my favorite vshojo ladies. She is such an extrovert, but understands introverts and pushes them gently. The fact that niji managed her ( and others) so poorly, irritates me. A multi billion dollar company that, from reports, used high school graduates with no experience as managers for their talents is insane.
What a sweet person
This just proves that nijianji fans, can be absolutely horrible people.
That fact that they didn't Like Nina Kousaka, like what? Why? Because of her vibe? For having fun??
I'm glad she's part of Vshojo and is surrounded by wonderful talents and fans
Edit: The fact that she felt that she was being selfish for leaving Niji is heartbreaking.....
I never have a good impression with Niji fans back then
Last time when i was having art booth in some con selling hololive fan merch there is this couple nijifans asking me if i have niji fans merch
I reply them "maybe some day coz i dont have time",and these nijifan insult me because i am Hololive fans calling me L
It was really rude
This was before nijien downfall, i was really planning to make NijiEN merch too coz i was a dragoon
Because of some mental hangups I have with larger chats, I can't enjoy Matara's content like I used to...But I still ADORE her and her content and am over the moon happy for her for being in a much better place for her both mentally and career-wise.
The irony is that when she was part of "the bigger group" she had a smaller audience than she has now... That kind of hurts when you think about it.
I still have a warm memory of chilling in a just chatting stream with Nina while on my main monitor I was playing The Long Dark.. She went AFK to pick up some drinks and when I commented on how fast she was, sheengaged me in chat and by name and told he she lived close to a small family business and we talked about supporting smaller family owned businesses and how good it is and feels to do so. I'm not sure why that memory stuck with me so much but it did. Such a silly little moment.. But my point is, she is the sweetest woman and deserves nothing but the best and brightest moments.
the thing that i found really crazzy about niji are those people that seems a fan of the corpo rather than the talent like.. what the hell?? like how they attack their own talent or each other
like..
if niji are like holo where yagoo often among the fans, and the management also have face in the form of A-chan, i can still make some sense of it
but niji corp and their management are completely unknown, with only riku as the sole face, and he's not even likeable
so.., what the fuck niji do that they have these rabid fans and defender that seems simping the corpo instead of the talent??
Mata is such an amazing person, I loved her before too. She never deserved what happened to her. Nina was such a fun character to watch. I loved Nina. Now I love Matara. She’s been my Oshi for the longest time since the beginning
Nina/Matara is such a loveable person. People who hate her for being herself are just dumb
I’m much more casual of a vtuber fan than most, but Nina was my favorite in niji. It took me a long time to notice how much hate she got considering how out of the loop I was, but I was heartbroken when I realized. And I was heartbroken when she left. But when Matara popped up, I was elated. I could immediately tell this would be a much better fit for her. I’m so glad she’s thriving and got the community she deserves, and that her fans can be open about it without getting such a barrage of harassment.
I was there when toxic fans passed around a docs on what she "supposedly" did that made nijien talents uncomfortable. It was truly heartbreaking when i believed some of them then later on actually watched her and knowing what kind of streamer she really was. Looking back almost all of them where taken out of context and was made bigger that what it was supposed to be. I feel bad for her
War flashbacks to the document listing all the reasons why antis hate her and one of the stuff in the list was her making a "your mom" joke. I cannot make this up
Danm the actual good en members get treated like crap while the trash one's thrive I'm still here for one person you can tell by my pfp after she leaves then no more nijisanji for me
Bruh, the fans drove her to leave? I mean, I get wanting to get her to leave cause shit company and all that, but DAMN.
I think it's "monkey see, monkey do." Toxic niji fans see their oshis excluding or bullying someone and they follow along.
There's also the possibility that some niji livers could have second accounts and start the drama themselves. Not trying to be a conspiracy theorist, but that's happened more than a few times on the internet.
Regardless of the actual reasons, niji is just a toxic place. Just what in the actual f man!?
@@Bloodstar-o7When you’re a company with seven attempted 2nd degree murder charges left unanswered, you can get away with ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING
"I felt like I was always going to be one bad joke away from getting canceled forever"
Nina graduated 4 months after Sayu's termination. These suddenly feel very related.
I feel like that’s what happened to Lulu as well. Her community was not that strong and I remember her talking about death threats in her graduation stream.
She was not my oshi then but i still remember that I cried my heart out when she announced her graduation, and now watching this, am ugly crying again. I only wish her to thrive even more and stay the same that she is. 😭🫶🏼
"Nijisanji fans clearly don't know what it meant to have a friend."
- not enough burn cream in the universe
i just realised that the newer generations dont understand sarcasm and hyperbolic jokes
and banter
Yay I got the likes to 123, for some reason that made me so happy. Thanks for the video Khyo.
I still want to support Mom.
I have a mother and I love her but Nina/Matara was a form of mother figure I didn't realize I wanted. I still remember her alcohol infusion streams, I don't even like alcohol but if I'm going to drink it's gonna be one I've flavored myself. I will always remember her baby advice for new adults and how she cried when she left. She means a lot to me and I love her, so happy she's doing better ❤
I miss Nina/Matara being on UA-cam. I loved her streams, model, and sense of humor. I was saddened when she left, but was happy she came back.
Vshojo was a blessing in disguise for Mata and like let's be honest it is exactly what she needed a proper home that is totally open to the talent
These people aren't fans, they are radical activists. Whichever community they came from, c-congratulations...
That’s no longer a justifiable excuse. Nijisanji still must be destroyed
Just call them antis. "Radical Activists" sounds like they had a coherent goal.
@@Duamerthraxso true they had no good reason behind it they were just haters :(
What activists? They're internet trolls and stalkers. An activist goes off the internet and works for shit they believe in. Is this what Twitter has convinced people what an activist is?
@@magicalgalaxylavenderI remembered what Asmongold said about the antis or people that dumps on innocents. Oh yes he calls them morbidly obese losers whose ugly and instead of improving themselves, attacks others on the Internet and it's proof when they have an anime girl profile picture. The moment he said that they wanted to tell UA-cam he's bullying them but he said the truth 😂
I always felt that Matara was THE person you would want to be close with as a friend or coworker. She seems like she would be the one with great advice and genuinely celebrate your successes.
No wonder the Nijibullies hated her
I like Matara and when she was Nina her energy is what got me into VTubers. I’m considered a mom friend myself so I feel similar to her. She’s fun, exuberant and just a sweetheart. It’s fine if she’s not your cup of tea. Just block her, unsubscribe and ignore that space. It’s that simple. But apparently not for many internet users sadly. Mata is amazing and I’m glad her and other got out of that noxious hellhole.
I will endlessly say I have no idea how the JP side of KS works, I don't know how the fans are or how the talent over there acts, but the EN branch feels like it's just a cesspool of anger hatred and vitriol full of bitterness from fan to management.
It's better than en, but is still very much with jp to
It makes me wonder if some of the good ones left in Hollywood would do so much better if they too left that place..
We know they don't get paid squat in that company.
It's pretty obvious at this point that niji is only holding people back
This is how you can tell that I don't really know Niji community that well Because I thought she was beloved. I liked her. She was like a hot older Russian lady. I don't even call vtubers hot often but she was 😅
A certain princess in Hololive can relate.....
luna?
@@LCJammeryup
@@GoldRichnessLuna's fans are getting bullied? That's not right, I hope people knock it off
@@scottiecurrie7927 That's not it. Luna was a Niji streamer before joining Hololive. She left Niji due to bullying and was saved by Yagoo. Niji had these kind of issues for years.
Wait, Luna!? She worked at "Hollywood" company before? I didn't know that.
9:32
I get that. We all want a place to feel like we’re cared about
Interestingly enough, I may have not been a big fan of Nina, I still thought she was neat from my first impressions. I loved her energy, I loved the energy that she brought to collabs and her streams. I loved her voice when she sang her covers to the point I wished she had more original songs. So, I hoped she would be more streams with everyone in the cast, but calling her problematic when there are streams of a certain demon made me question everything
I’m not super integrated into the VTibing community but I had no idea that Matara was Nina. Just as I was starting to follow her she announced her graduation and I kinda abandoned everything after that.
i remember hearing that she graduated because she couldn't grow her audience guess i never knew the full extent of it.
She's a treasure
been watching mata and she is so sweet and endearing
she has that older auntie\manager vibe where she focuses and helps those around her
i honestly don't know how you can hate her for focusing on her friends and trying to help them
yes her jokes can be a bit unhinged at times ,but that is what older humor is and if you dont vibe to it just dont be a toxic asshole
I didn't got the chance to really be in Nina's community back then, I like her vibes and design. But the roommate I was with back then was really vocal on Niji's enemies. So I often kinda feel more conflicted with her. Not long after i been in, she left and I kinda moved on myself to elsewhere. It's always feel scary for me to be in these big communities since oh nyo too many people is here but I kinda want to wish on her continue success.
Clique being Clique, what a shock
If even Matara, who is in many ways a Queen of bringing many Vtubers together and is super supportive in so many ways, couldn't grow a community there then who could? Sounds like a hell of a working climate they have allowed to fester there.
Honestly running Matara out of niji was probably one of the worst things to happen to them as it opened the floodgates for everyone else to leave after they saw how she flourished afterwards so glad she is doing so well now and that others are getting out and finding happiness also
The personal Fancommunitys in the Vtuber industry are so essential. She is right we have the Corpo Fans that love Hololive, VShojo etc but the small Fandoms of the individual Talents are what really make all of this so interesting for me. They basicly form their own little cultures within their oshi´s sphere and come together during greater events. It is so defining and normal to vtubing to me that not being able to grow your own community really sounds horrible for me.
Niji fans hating on people for having friends because they can never experience having friends due to their horrendous personalities is wildly hilarious.
How was she problematic she was cozy. She was the physical embodiment of the "rest here traveler" meme. I liked her a lot.
The fact they can’t even say Kurosanji by name says a lot about the company as a whole
I never used those crap sites like twitter or tiktok. I was always watching Nina and never understood the hate she got. Any of you that hated her, I hope you eventually get the karma you deserve. Thanks for using the whole clip, you could cut it up for whatever reason you want but you always seem to try to keep the full context Khyo and its one of the reason I still watch you, you don't go for the most drama but the most truth. Thank you Khyo and please keep it up ❤
Matara is just a great person!
Kinda feel like hoyo fans who always fought with each other despite playing the game made by the very same company
I hope matara will keep on doing better ✊️
It's probably because I am not on twitter but I have never seen anyone hating on her streams or clips.
I'm glad she got out (and Kuro) and I hope more vtubers follow, as hard of a choice as that is. The nijisanji fandoms have lots of good people but so many loud toxic fans that act so inappropriately. It's awful that it sound like the company was/is limiting them from policing their own communities properly and shutting those people down.
I actually lost a friendship that I had for almost 8 years die to a disagreement over Nina 😭
This person was a huge 🔮 fan and at the time the document was going around and I think it speculated that Nina made him uncomfortable because she was being a Fujo or some stupid shit like that its been 2 uears so I apologize for the huge paraphrasing.
Anyways; they mentioned that to me and immediately I retort back with "Well we don't know them personally and I think thats a huge generalization to make about a stranger behind an anime girl avatar" and they like flipped out because they thought I was excusing gay fetishizers. Crazy shit.
In the end it kinda relieved me to not be their friend anymore as they had always been negative about my Oshi's (Ethyria as a whole) and other more serious/personal stuff.
I like Nina she was the first niji en that I've known
I always felt like her old genmates were too catty and cliquey for her tbh... and i'd never actually seen other niji fans hating on her but I'm so glad she got out and is doing so much better now 😭
I know nina from risu and ollie of holoID and she was funny, i have no idea why they hated her
That fandom is kinda stupid, alienating one of it's fanbase, do they understand the phrase "the more the merrier"? And what's more moronic is the company that allow this, they done nothing to stop this or to try unite their stupid fandom, lol i guess that's expected for a company that's so short sighted, they doesn't see the fandom as an important part and not just a cash cow to bleed dry
Mainly the reason people didn't like her was because of the "Male shipping and harem" drama with the male vtubers who came out to say that "she made them uncomfortable." But that was back when she was Nina. Now shes Mata. And its now clear that she didnt deserve all that hate.
Not to say I don’t believe you, but which male v-tubers specifically are you referring to that actually came out and said that? And do you have the clip of it? Because I’ve heard this claim before too, but only through third parties (usually antis) and have yet to see any actual proof or clip of a member agreeing to the claim themself.
@salt3685 I believe it was Vox and a few others, I'm currently trying to look back to see who else it was though.
@salt3685 OK, so I looked back and there were a few things. 1, Nina, Vox, and Mysta at the time did the pocky challenge and Nina wanted Vox and Mysta to do it together which caused Vox to express his uncomfort (which was later talked about with the three). 2. The harem situation with Uki, where Nina pestered kyo on a minecraft stream where kyo said he was uncomfortable with Nina talking about it since his "like a brother" was in the harem.
Ive honestly never been a fan of Matara/Nina. Sometimes overly extroverted people can come off obnoxious and off-putting. But I never wished her ill-will or contributed any toxicity. It's sad that she had to deal with all that hate.
Weirdoes i fell in love with nina immedietly and still support her as matara the person behind the model is amazing
Nina is what got me into Niji and discovered a lot of fun streamers from there. They've almost all left at this point though. I didn't hate the ones before that, but it did seem like Niji was hiring a specific type of vtuber and wasn't looking for a variety within each gen. Compare that to Hololive or PhaseConnect, which has good variety each time.
The hate that Nina got was crazy, and it was mainly because she apparently “made other livers uncomfortable” even though as far as I’m concerned, several of them said themselves that she didn’t make them uncomfortable. I’m glad she got out of that company and removed herself from that toxic environment, she was one of my favorites.
I was there as a Dragoon and "fans" even spread baseless rumors about her among themselves. That (afair) after she got her followers by her early collabs on her channel (mostly with the boys), she outright rejected these very same collab partners when they wanted her to pay them back a visit with another collab on their channel. I don't buy anything I don't know, but unfortunately many fell for that and started to want her out of the circle to see her get punished for it. After a while of suffering she came back from that isolation with tears, apologies and promises to be better. Well it didn't last long and graduation came. Now I know for sure what she apologized for, it's just sad. Just as ones trying to do that to her.
Never feel bad for that sh*thole. They don't deserve it.
Rrats are real. Rrats said Nina has been through something just like Selen.
I'm so dumb. I always took Hollywood as literal Hollywood since she said she was an actor before
Mata and Michi really need to understand that there are people who truely care for them and let them be the goofballs they are. I hope they got reset in Vshojo so that they can really achieve their goals
I will always miss fox mom. I watch Matara less, but only cause I have severe entomophobia. Every now and them she sets it off. I am glad she got "reincarnated" and found her place... Even if she is a bug.
The plight of a Vaushite in a nutshell.