As someone who has viewed the discourse, I'm just gonna say this and then continue the video. I'm more of a "Modern" Sonic fan than a Classic one. They made changes to Sonic's design from "Classic" to Modern because they didn't want him to appear too cute and sharpen his edge a bit. This works for me as this is the Sonic I like the most. While I wouldn't say Classic is cutesy, there are things that are just different from the Classic games' and appearance compared to the Modern ones. You've mentioned it before with Superstars' aesthetic. *That* aesthetic is not why I'm into Sonic. And since I don't see them going back to more sharper aesthetic with Classic like Classic in CD, I'm just not a fan. With that said, I can peacefully co-exist with Classic Sonic as long as they stop making it seem like the Classic universe is the only universe that can do 2D gameplay but it limits the characters and potential for other things. To want another Advance game or even 2D boost game seems impossible at this point with just making classic own the current 2D titles. I don't use 2D Sonic and Classic interchangeably and nor should they. If they make Modern 2D titles as well, then I have no issue, but we do know there's a limit because they blatantly said it when people asked for Shadow in Superstars. So fans can't act like this limit doesn't exist.
@@Sonicmid No, it's been written that it's because they didn't want Sonic to look too cute. They knew Sonic wouldn't be able to compete in that category with Hello Kitty, so they changed the design.
@@winterbliss3690 90s classic sonic wasn’t really portrayed cute at all. (take the cd opening or OVA as example). Plus there are screenshots of beta sonic adventure, where they use the classic design however, they changed it later.
@@Sonicmid Dude, look up the Sonic 2018 GDC or look at what Naka blatant said about the reason for the redesign: Question: *I noticed that the Dreamcast version of Sonic has a slightly different atmosphere/feeling compared to the earlier illustrations.* Naka: "Sonic was originally supposed to be this impertinent, cheeky character. However, once he blew up in popularity, his image gradually morphed into something more cutesy. Sonic has now appeared in 29 games across different platforms, and Sonic merchandise and goods have proliferated around the world. Because of that, we (his creators) kind of lost some control over his image. So when it came time to do Sonic Adventure in 1998, we were worried that if he became too cutesy, he would end up just like every other cute, cloying character mascot. So for the Dreamcast, we deliberately tried to strengthen his original “bad boy” image." They changed it because they didn't want him to be seen as too cute.
It seems quite impossible for Shadow to appear in a game with the original design, give he would still very much be on ice, and the only way he could be playable is if someone was wheeling him around in his containment pod. I nominate the Chaotix! I feel I could see Vector calling out "Did anyone order a Sleeping Beauty?"
Interestingly, the Bridge Island Zone theme is different from the one in interviews. You weren't wrong when you said it sounded different to what we heard before, it has different intruments and even a different melody for the solo.
@@LukeStation I think it may be perceived as sounding worse, is the fact that the leaked track was in mono, as opposed to stereo, *AND* was compressed, so I bet when the game comes out, it will sound amazing!
there's a lot of elements that go into making classic sonic beloved. its more than just an aesthetic, and it's more than just nostalgia. that being said, SEGA doesn't see the full appeal of what makes that character so great. instead they've decided to make him into a nostalgia strategy without understanding the core formula. ironically, that limits their options because they tend to adhere to something extremely strict. A LOT more strict than it should be. the proof of all this is simple; notice how I said earlier that sega 'uses classic sonic' and you immediately understood what gameplay style I'm referring to. that's because sega has decided to completely tie classic sonic to '2D platformer with special stages, emerald collecting, and cutesy childlike factors'. ironically enough, what made the original classics so charming was the gimmicks, the cool factors and the shocking factors, the mastery of mechanics, the innovation, and funnily enough, their attempt at making the 2D games look as 3D as possible. these are the same factors that make modern sonic appealing to me, and to many other people as well. unfortunately what the newer titles seem to do is restrict everything to make it kind of the opposite of modern sonic. oh modern is 3D so classic has to be 2D, modern is cool and mature so lets make classic cute and child-like. this kind of restriction, alongside the unwelcomed and HEAVY overuse of classic elements in modern games, will naturally cause stagnation the more it's done. its repetitive and doesn't try something new. and that's why many people don't like to see classic sonic anymore. that's also why I kind of despise classic sonic with all my might at this point lmao. the ONLY time I'd be willing to look at another classic sonic game is if they incorporate modern elements in. but by that point it wont even be a 'classic sonic game' in sega's eyes, so they kill off any chance of hooking me onto the game the moment they announce it's a classic game.
*Slow Clap* Excellently put, my friend! You've summed it up brilliantly. I love your point in your last paragraph. "Modern is 3D, so Classic has to be 2D. Modern is cool and mature, so let's make Classic cute and child like!" I'd like to add to this. "Modern Sonic talks, so Classic Sonic has to be mute!" Sega and the fans who condone this divide can make up all the excuses that they want, ("oh, Classic Sonic didn't talk in the old games so he shouldn't talk now") but realistically the only reason that Classic Sonic doesn't talk is because they wanted him to be as different to Modern Sonic as they possibly could!
Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES
What I find some what strange is, everybody I've heard talk about this game, acts like its a mainline game, there are more things you could do with modern, and it would've been very cool, but honestly classic games at this point are just spin offs, things to strengthen the IP so modern Sonic games can sell better. I don't really see the point in getting rid of him, when there are people who enjoy those classic themes, and even I'm ok with it, as long as, he stays out of modern games.
I think the real problem is that if you have two separate series, then they're always going to be compared to one another. You're always going to get people complaining about the Modern games because "they're not 2D, they're stories are too complicated, Modern Sonic talks too much!" If these truly are problems with these games then there's always other ways to solve them instead of just "keep all the good things that all Sonic fans love in the Classic games and lumber the Modern games with all the divisive and bad stuff!" I truly think that this is a fact that sails clear over a lot of Sonic "fans" heads.
As a Sonic fan, i hope classic sticks around. The ONLY issue people actually have with Classic Sonic is that he was in Forces. If he was never in forces, this would never have been a discussion. Since he was only in Generations before that. [Not shoved into everything, hes only been in 2 modern games] The classic playstyle is iconic, so i think having a second team making Classic style games is only a good thing. It means more Sonic games for people who see Sonic as Sonic, like me, and prevents the two styles merging like with Forces and Gens. Which was fine for Gens imo. I'm lothe to use it as an example, but think of Classic Sonic like Paper Mario and you'll understand where im coming from with this. It's an art and gameplay style, not an entirely different Mario. So they should stop separating them as two different Sonic's. 2 Styles, 1 Sonic.
That's all Classic is though, its an aesthetic. Which, is fine to not like the aesthetic. But i do think its more of a reused assets issue [GreenHill, ChemicalPlant, SkySancturary] and not a 'Classic' issue. Basically people are sick of Greenhill zone, is the problem. But that's a different discussion.
@@premydaremyThe Emerald Powers are a nice cool addition and in fact I’m surprised it took them this long to do something like that, giving the player incentive to collect each Emerald to gain new powers and even that probably won’t be looked back on with fondness since the Wisps already did something like that for Modern.
paper mario and classic sonic are totally different things though, paper mario was like a spin off from the main series, whilst classic sonic is part of sonic's canonical history and is referenced over and over in the mainline games as his true self
@@COM-Project Right, but im saying that Classic Sonic should be like that, a spin-off style we get between the maingames. Not a canonical character separate from Sonic. Just Sonic himself. In a different art and gameplay style to the main games. Like paper mario.
I’m not gonna argue that the character of “classic sonic” is important, or that they would sell as well in the modern age, or that spinoffs (even storybook) should even be included in the discussion. While I love me a good modern Sonic game, and that’s how I got my start, I just keep on coming back to the classics. The large branching levels, the secrets, the movement mechanics, the pacing of speed and solid platforming, etc. This is referring to the genesis games, not everything in this gameplay style. Modern Sonic has some of this, but not enough to make me want to replay Generations beyond the occasional joyride. I’ll make an exception and say that Adventure has a lot of these qualities with at least the Sonic/Shadow gameplay, and would enjoy seeing that as well. A smaller point is that if we assume the budget for a classic Sonic game is smaller than a modern 3D one, then they can still make a profit even if they don’t sell as much. Sidenote: Even though I like classic Sonic, I don’t vibe with his modern cutesy design or total muteness.
I cant believe that Sonic Forces sold more than Sonic Mania. That just shows that Modern Sonic Is a lot more popular than Classic Sonic. I really like Modern Sonic so much more but I do think that there should always be separate games for both because there will always be a fan base for Modern Sonic and a fan base for Classic Sonic. Sonic Frontiers has mods that turn 2D into 3D so whats not to say at some point someone creates a mod that turns Sonic Superstars into a 3D game and simply add in Modern Sonic and some various animation and physics adjustments like what they been able to do for some Sonic Frontiers mods. I am so excited for Sonic Superstars and cant wait to play the game.
Classic Sonic has overstated his welcome. It’s time for him to go. There’s nothing that Classic Sonic does, that Modern can not do better. If Superstars was a modern game, we’d get modern characters, dialog, a more interesting story, more dynamic gameplay, more playable characters, more unique music, and more interesting levels. I truly believe that classic sonic does nothing but hold the series back. His games have no personality What’s the point of the split. Classic sonic is a younger modern sonic. The series moved on, why are we continuing to revert back? For “classic purists” who only love sonic a certain way? Classic games don’t even sell more than modern games in the current times. This weird belief that classic sonic propels the franchise needs to go. Sega has been obsessed with classic to the point where they try to make modern sonic more like him. Green hill, chemical plant, green hill clones, changing Sonics model to be lighter blue with shorter quills, classic aesthetic in lost world. Like when is it enough. Sega would make more money if they’d stop trying to pander to a minority crowd, and just made good games with an interesting premise. Sega is creating an identity problem with brand, and it’s an easy fix. Classic needs to go
@@RisTheGreat29 The problem is the quality. It doesn't matter if classic "goes" or not. The quality will be the same if the means of production on Sonic Team's end doesn't change...
@@bowmaj8666Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES sega limit
Classic Sonic is like Mario if they stuck with Super Mario World. We wouldn’t have the ground pound, wall jump, mid air spin, and triple jump if they never innovated past the 90s.
Classic was going to have new moves in X-Treme, and eventually gained new shield abilities, a drop dash, new emerald powers soon and even had the homing attack in 3D Blast and Gens, so it kind of balances it out as far as innovation goes. What was your favorite ability modern had? Light Speed Dash/attack, boost mode, wisps, etc?
I think the trick system was the best Modern Sonic addition personally for the sake of extra air ability and reach. Most of the others are either more tuned for 3D space like the homing attack or are made redundant with a robust classic physics system like the boost, which may even be dropped in a future game as hinted by Kishimoto.
Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES
Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES
I agree, Mania’s my favorite game in the series but I think it’s time for classic sonic to make room for Modern 2D games with similar physics. There’s a lot more potential there.
Not gonna lie, these songs are going to sound so good when the community and/or Sega go in and do the guitar covers for them, I don't get why they had to emulate the classics soundtracks.
Can we get another Sonic tier list with the other games (Mario & Sonic, Super Smash Bros., Murder of Sonic the Hedgehog, Mania Plus, Origins Plus, Superstars)? Maybe a list with other characters like Shadow, Amy, Tails, Knuckles, etc.?
Mario Fans: "Im so excited for a new mario Game! We finally have a fresh 2d Mario game" Sonic Fans: "We dont want classic games", "We want classic games", "Sonic is only good in 2d", "Why are is arms blue"
If you actually knew anything about Mario you'd know that people have been complaining about New Super Mario Bros. being generic ever since New Super Mario Bros. 2! Nintendo finally listened this year as a result of that feedback.
@@premydaremy oh yea so I've seen, the "new" series has not been "new" for along time now lol....its just crazy to me how anything sega does, it's wrong somehow. Classic is not in the main 3d game, I don't know how more games is a bad thing. I'd think it be a good thing to get a new 2d game and a new 3d game every few years.
Hell no man, do not get rid of Classic Sonic. Its a cool sidebranch of the franchise that they can do some more casual, interesting things in. Just keep him out of the Modern Sonic games and let them do their own things side by side. Plus, subjective, but I think Classic Sonic's design is a bit more timeless
@@shutdamn6376Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES
I don't mind classic existing because I know some people prefer it and if they got rid of the version of Sonic I liked I'd be sad. (btw Adventure Sonic is my Sonic so they kinda did get rid of it.) I tend not to care that much about the 2d games in general so maybe I'm just removed enough from the conversation where I can say I just don't care. As long as classic doesn't bleed into the modern games or get rid of the modern games I'm cool with him existing. What I do care about is when they are purposefully holding back to make it resemble the original titles. Superstars has rail grinding and the new powers which is great, but it took until now for classic Sonic with the classic branding to start innovating again. Really you can have classic Sonic and innovate and there's no good reason to hold back.
Classic Sonic was a mistake and I'll always resent Generations for opening the floodgates for rose-tinted players to draw direct contrasts and run away with a narrative that Sonic has been shit since his debut into 3D, which is straight up what most people outside the fandom believe. SEGA and Sonic Team have only enabled this since by doubling down and drawing a correlation between good press/audience reception and "Classic" Sonic. Now we all have to eat this shit sandwich dichotomy as if it's a real or useful thing instead of a cohesive brand solidified around a single, confident contemporary Sonic that people don't think twice about.
Modern Sonic has been shit since after Adventure 2. People will only say that the Unleashed day stages are good and that's about it. Probably just best to accept these facts.
@RisTheGreat29 not really disagreeing with you there but my point is that there's this idea that "modern" Sonic is inherently, intrinsically, conceptually shitty compared to "classic" Sonic, which I think is absurd. Post-SA2 Sonic reception has everything to do with Sonic Team outright refusing to commit to honoring Sonic's core mechanical identity in favor of throwing shit at the wall and not bothering to notice what sticks. The stigma toward "modern" Sonic is purely due to inconsistent game quality and maybe more importantly: inconsistent game design. It's easy to define classic Sonic. Nobody can agree on what "modern" Sonic truly is.
@@_HPX_Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES sega limit
I love classic Sonic personally, the only time I didn't was in Forces. There are different things I like about Modern and Classic, if they got rid 1 I wouldn't be able to have a different experience with the other
I'll address your second "lie" as someone who perfers Classic gameplay but perfers the modern model (The sonic 2 hack called "sonic boom" which uses the modern model is one of the best games I've played PERIOD (I adore the edgy aesthetic!)) EDIT: This whole comment is devil's advocate...I otherwise agree with most of your points lol You say its unfair to say modern games are bad when they are not main series and classic has a bunch of non main series games that are also bad. This is technically true...however not counting the main games doesn't do modern any favors. Every main classic game is considered to be "really freaking good" by most people (CD is the most debatable, but most classic enthusiasts at least appreciate the game if they don't think its as good as 2 or 3) whereas you can't say the same about Modern. Being as generous about what consists as a spinoff as possible (I'd say shadow is main but to be generous we'll just have the "main" main games) you still have to contend with heroes (sizeable cult following but still a fairly divisive game), 06, Unleashed (not as divisive anymore, but werehog inevitably wears it down) Colors (Opposite issue as unleashed), Lost World and Forces. That's most of the games...cutting down the list even more to just the TRULY not well recieved games...you have 06, Lost World and Forces. That's 3 games...that's more than Classic with has ARGUABLY one (but not really since CD is higher praised than the 3 modern games I mentioned...nevermind that CD was released on an add-on console nobody bought anyways...you wanna say Knuckles Chaotix is main series? How about 3D blast?) The real reason Classic is considered to overall be higher quality than Modern is cause he has less games...combined with most of those games being released during Sonic's golden era...that means less chances to F anything up. I actually appreciate that everything was modern in the 2000's, it made all the sense in the world (mega collection having modern models despite being all classic for example) but now with the movies and stuff it seems sega realizes they can't realistically present sonic as just one continuity anymore...so this might be their way of saying "f it, seperate the experience of the game by aesthetic as much as possible just because". At the end of the day, it doesn't matter too much, the quality matters...and to a lesser degree...whether the aesthetic matches the feel of the game (example, I think it makes more sense to use cutesy classic if your game is braindead easy but modern if the game is meant to be somewhat challenging...but that's just me I guess lol)
I will say this tho...I think Classic's appearence (especially in 3D) is blatantly just for nostalgia...there's no need to bring him back when you have Modern right there. Mania was almost all nostalgia, but it was done so well it ended up not mattering...they cannot keep up that quality so now classic is just another gimmick again! It is what it is tho... *sigh*
@@AlienrunYes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES sega limit
I like both versions of the character tbh, modern Sonic a bit more - but I guess Sega feels modern Sonic should be limited to 3d spaces (ironically) and put classic Sonic in the 2d games for some reason... But either way, at least we're still getting Sonic games
Considering the fact that the best metacritic reivewed sonic game is a classic sonic game. it make sense why Sega prefers Classic sonic over modern Sonic
@@premydaremy Lol I mean Sega never learns from their mistakes anyways. They see any kind of praise from critics, especially when it comes to Sonic they fold due to the negative stigma that has surrounded modern Sonic games over the years from the media, so they resort back to what gives them the most praise which happens to be Classic Sonic.
I'm a modern fan, but I think Classic Sonic should stick around... if they continue to change things up a bit like Superstar is seemingly doing. Just look at 2D Mario! The "New" series was a welcome return with the twist of multiplayer and new stage gimmicks... until it overstayed it's welcome after the 3rd-ish one. However, Nintendo realized that people didn't want "classic" Mario gone, so they're revamping it with Wonder and most are looking forward to it. Granted, Nintendo has more resources, so if SEGA can't make quality classic and modern then they should 100% drop classic. Also, Nintendo may even continue their hybrid 3D land/world series, kinda like some want Sonic Rush to come back.
Considering the fact that the best Metacritic reviewed Sonic game is a classic Sonic game, it makes sense why Sega favors Classic Sonic over Modern Sonic, and as someone who prefers Modern Sonic than Classic Sonic, I think that Classic Sonic should stay in his own games, and not Modern Sonic games and I think from a pratical standpoint, various fans need to accept that Sega sees Classic Sonic as a sub-brand for the whole Sonic franchise, and they're going to take benefit of that with stuff like merchandise, games, and even occasional one-off comics from IDW. That doesn't mean that Classic Sonic is totally different from Modern Sonic or Classic Sonic being shoved into modern Sonic games, but I do think the reality going forward is that it will continue to be a subseries within the broader Sonic IP, but personally, It's just perfectly fine that Classic Sonic is going to still stick around as just long as he stays away from Modern Sonic, and I just hope the nostalgia pandering that Sega is doing with Sonic should stop, and speaking of Classic Sonic, the new music revealed for Sonic Superstars are such a banger, but anyways, I can't wait to hearing more of Sonic Superstars' soundtrack, and I do hope that Sonic Superstars is reviewed well like Mania, and hopefully Classic Sonic sticks around too (even though He should not be in Modern Sonic Games), and as always, Great Video Prem! Stay Safe!
You say that as if Sonic's eye colour has anything to do with the quality of the gameplay. If Sonic 4 had the Classic character designs in it, then it'd still be an underwhelming game. Likewise, if Mania had the Modern designs in it, then it'd still be a great game! It's only the most whiniest of fan boys who are crying "WAAAH, SONIC'S GOT THE WRONG EYE COLOUR! WHERE'S MY SONIC? GIVE ME AN ENTIRE GAME WITH MY SONIC, REEEEEE!" Ask yourself, does this kind of toxic behaviour deserve to be catered to? Why are these entitled fan brats ultimately dictating to Sega what can and can't be in a Sonic game! I was expecting a 2D Modern game with characters like Shadow finally making an appearance in a more traditional Sonic game with the momentum based physics that we know and love, but we got Superstars instead. That doesn't bother me though, it looks like a great game, I'm excited to try it out. I'm just a little disappointed that it's got this "no coloured irises rule!" It's as if Sega are just going "Look Classic fans! There's going to be no Modern characters in this game! Isn't that amazing? So no Shadow the Edge Lord, no Silver the IT'S NO USE, and best of all, no awful Modern Sonic who turns into Werehogs, snogs human princesses and only ever says baldy nose hair! SEE, SEE CLASSIC FANS! WE GET YOU, WE UNDERSTAND YOU.... please love us and buy our games again!"
@@bowmaj8666Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES sega limit
Firstly,pls no one hate me this is wat I feel I gotta say I personally do prefer mordern sonic and i even put on ur community post I prefer him generally and in generations,but just cus ibsaid I prefer mordern doesn't mean classic should go There is obviously alot I could say as I have on other vids but I'll just say this one lol,even of a game sells more doesn't mean they r overral better cus 9 time out of 10,mordern games will sell more cus it's a new mainline game that we've had like a 5 year wait for,but look at critics on sonic games and u will see classic has higer ratings. I feel the need to say this at this point tho,classic has higher ratings but that doesn't mean his games r better cus I'll tell u,frontiers is the best sonic game I've played(I've never experienced any game passed unleashed that was big like adventure or heroes so forgive me pls lol),certainly better than forces. Last thing lol,u gotta think there is a wide age range of sonic fans,some ranging from back in the 90s so give gives an all round passion for sonic fans,old who loved the 2d scrollers and new who love 3d boost/open world gameplay,this isnt to say mordern cant do 2d cus he can and continues to this day but if i touch on that then this comment will be lomger than it already is lol To sum this up lol amd sos I thought it was gunna be short,mordern sonoc os overall preferred on terms of being more successful in selling and a nicer character to connect with but classic still has some hits that over fans enjoy and can't wait to see where he goes next as classic is basically young sonic amd his past adventures seen separately to older sonics new ones as we never really got to see alot of young sonics adventures That's all from me lol,I've got way more to say but I'll leave it at that before I make a vid on this lol
If Sega really wants classic to stay they need to shake it up and push boudaries and fix the cute looking classic sonic also if this were modern this argument wouldn't most likely exist, but hey at least it can give the classic fans a game (Superstars) and give the modern fans a game (Frontiers)
Fr I wish we got a new 2d Modern Sonic game instead of Superstars but it be like that. Since Sega did say they want to do remakes/reboots in the future, maybe Advance/Rush ports aren't out of the table (Pray🙏😔). 2d shouldn't only be for Classic Sonic n a new 2d Modern Sonic would be refreshing since when the last time we gotten that? Anyways once we got a redo of Advance/Rush collections and they are all recieve well, then we could see a future 2d Modern Sonic game (Which ya it would take a long time but still doesn't mean there's no chance of it not being a reality). As for Classic Sonic, I don't think he needs to die and the only thing that needs to die is the overabundance of Classic nostalgia. However Sega/Sonic Team needs to make Classic Sonic step up from his older brother Modern Sonic now cuz while yes Classic Sonic did help Modern Sonic n Sega/Sonic Team by getting out of the dark era n using the power of nostalgia to get Sonic to sale back with Colors, Gens, etc, still the Classic formula feels stale n limited. I get Modern fans shouldn't be talking when it comes to innovating the formula since that what kinda ruin the franchise too but still Sega/Sonic Team always go for risks since they still want their mascot to stay cool n the formula not feel old. Reason why now Classic Sonic is feels like a little brother to Modern Sonic is because his whole formula is cute lvl aesthetic, Eggman being the endgame villain so defeat him ar the end, and most of the gimmicks they offer aren't game changer imo. Which not saying it's bad, just saying for a $60 Classic Sonic, I kinda want a new gimmick that wasn't taken from the previous games. At least Mario Wonder is changing stuff up like the graphics, new wonder gimmick that changes the approach for each lvl, and story too. And im more of a fan of 3d Mario and usually treat 2d Mario as an appetize yet Wonder got me excited. Not saying Superstars doesn't offer anything new cuz the details of how new lvls will have their own unique moments at the end, characters will have their own lvl, n length time sounds interesting. Still just saying I wish there were more lvls aesthetic that doesn't look Classic and wish the plot was more creative. At least Mania, they tried to change up the story by having Hard-Boil Heavy rebell against Eggman n get the Phantom Ruby (To bad it had to connect Forces tho) and Titanic Monarch wow me cuz the aesthetic felt more like it came from Advance than the Classics imo. As for emerald powers n co-op, honestly least excited for both. Emerald powers are basically wisps and the co-op sounds interesting but at the same time, I worry that the speed n lvl design might be tone down. I hope im wrong on the co-op part but that just how I feel. All in all, Classic Sonic shouldn't die, but at the same time I agree with Unleash that the Classic formula just feels samey with again plot, lvl aesthetic, graphics, etc and I hope for they make the classic formula more exciting for the future
The reason why people like the the sonic they do is because it's what they are use to. It's all based in bias. I feel like Classic fans have a leg up since the original design was first and the modern design was kind of a mistep ;).
NO we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMESS
I think Classic Sonic should leave not because he's bad or I hate him, but it doesn't make sense to keep him around in a story standpoint. Classic Sonic would eventually have to grow up and become Modern Sonic in Sonic Adventure.
Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES sega limit
I think classic sonic should stay however we make him and modern sonic a 2d game every 5 years so say we get a new rush game or advance game for modern sonic
My respect to Unleash went from 90% to 0% in just one vid XD But I'm not gonna leave threats and hate comments on his channel unlike some other Sonic Fans
@@premydaremyYes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES sega limit
Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES
It's as if top games like Sonic Advance 123 & Rush 1/2 etc dont exist to Sega. They are crazy for not focusing on Modern 2d Sonic, instead they opt for 2.5d Classic Sonic. I feel a good Modern 2d Sonic game should aim to satisfy both classic and modern fans, and get classic fans more used to Modern Sonic in 'their' preferred 2D format. So we can actually move forward, not having to constantly be reminded about Classic Sonic for the 9 millionth time. Modern Sonic is a upgrade to classic sonic therefore shouldn't just be used for 3d games, especially when the mod+2d formula works, and in my opinion works way better. I need a Rush 3 not Superstars.
Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES
Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES
Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES sega limit
I honestly don't care either way. But Mania was fire. I don't care what anyone says about that shit. They need to start porting shit like the Sonic Advance games. Classic Sonic haters are gonna hate regardless. Modern Haters are gonna hate regardless.
Yeah classic sonic fan base are literally the most toxic out of all the gaming They don’t know what they want and they always bash a good game especially since we been getting good content lately Classic sonic literally paved the way for modern sonic may I remind everybody that before frontiers sonic good games has been 2d 🤦🏾♂️💯
Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES SEGA LIMIT
My thing is that they should be doing CD style music for classic sonic instead. Since CD had the best audio quality of the classics it makes sense to take notes from that. That's what mania did and it turned out to be one of the best soundtracks of all of gaming. Now the lego music are remix's of the superstars music it seems. they use different instruments. The only music I don't like is the boss music. Compare that to ruby delusions and you will see the issue
They should bring back the casual pop songs style Sonic CD and Sonic R for the modern incarnation of Classic Sonic. Classic Sonic should be treated like how Sega at their Saturn days tried to push Classic Sonic.
CD Sonic is pretty much the best way to go about classic Sonic when it comes to music, design and aesthetic and everyone knows it except maybe Sonic Team.
Talking as someone who's been a fan from the first game back in 1991, if they are going to keep the old design around they should actually give him back the edge and attitude he actually had in the 90s, not this poor man's Mickey Mouse knock off they're pushing nowadays who can't talk, even though he totally could. Also with the vibe I get from the original design nowadays I get the impression he would be home before 7pm, and tucked into bed by 8pm. While back in the 90s he looks like he'd be living after midnight, and rocking to the dawn.
@@moreedcola6837 with Origins and how they removed Sonic's voice from CD, I can't help but get the impression Sega are trying to rewrite history, as if to suggest that Sonic NEVER spoke back in the 90s. So to tie in with the likes of Generations and Forces where rather the Sonic we saw in 1991 was the same hedgehog we saw in 1998, with Adventure 1. To now we don't know if he's from the past or another dimension, given how often they like to flip flop on it. Easily one of the worst things they could have done, making it seem like they were two separate characters, along with the rest of the cast.
I don't like how people downplay how much classic shit we've been getting, saying "oh but Classic Sonic only had 2 games". Like we havent been getting constant nostalgia pandering all throughout the 2010s, starting with Sonic 4. I totally understand why some people are tired of Classic stuff
It's like some weird loophole saying they only got Mania & Superstars lmao, as if SEGA didn't spend over an entire decade trying to pander to Classic fans in Modern games at the expense of Modern fans
Because there’s a difference between nostalgia pandering and classic games. They’re not synonymous. I fully agree that they should fuck off with the former but, the latter I see no issue with. But that’s just my opinion.
@@matsushizenp4i573 they aren't synonymous but they're very close. It's been so bad that even the Modern games couldn't escape having either the Classic aesthetics, or just having Classic Sonic shoehorned in it, with the exception of Frontiers (that if you don't count cyberspace). I'm just telling you all this so you understand where all the frustration comes from. I think very little people would have a problem with said latter if it weren't for said former, like you mentioned
@@premydaremy I also don't like this aesthetic mix of the two eras in modern games. But are you saying classic fans should be thankful they got garbage like Sonic Lost World, Classic Sonic in Sonic Forces and mid Cyberspace in Frontiers? People are only considering Mania and Superstars because they are in fact the only games that capture the gameplay physics and level design of the Genesis games, when even Generations did not. And I hope that now that they've nailed the Classic Sonic formula without relying on the Mania team, they can also bring something like the Dreamcast era formula back so the two eras can move forward independently of each other!
@Danthelion. I can't really say you MUST be happy because there's more Classic stuff besides Superstars/Mania. I mean Modern fans aren't happy with EVERY single release either. Just moreso saying we can't ignore THAT Classic catering throughout the Modern games simply because not all of those games are good/great. Sonic 4 is just as much Classic catering as Sonic Mania, regardless of the quality difference.
Personally I think we can hit a sweet spot between both. The issue with classic was that he was shoehorned into modern games but never the other way around. They should have always stayed separate. They should just both have their own games made by different development teams. Satisfy both markets
i agree, but i can forgive generations because it was a 20th anniversary celebration game and it wouldn't feel complete (to me) if it was just modern sonic. as for forces...no
@@sparkz992but Sonic Forces sold well because of Sonic Mania. Some of you seem like kids that dont understand the concept of business. Classic Sonic continiously outsells new Modern games to the point that Sega is able to charge high prices for Classic rereleases.
Why does it matter. If you don’t like the games. Then don’t buy ‘em. I really don’t get why people feel the need for him to die. If it’s do to the constant nostalgia bait of the 2010s then I somewhat understand your concern. However if it’s just the design and gameplay style you have issue with then I don’t follow. From my perspective. Just because it’s a return to that style, it doesn’t mean there won’t be innovation of it.
I think the debate will end if Sonic Superstars reveals an awesome story twist or new concepts that suddenly raises the stakes of the simple story at the end. The charm of Sonic Advance starting from 2 is that the story moments get hype by the end. I think people want that more from Classic Sonic. Also for the Classic Sonic brand to not be restrictive and just go crazy if it wanted to. Because I think the majority of fans see Classic Sonic as the mandated side of Sonic.
My take is this. If you get rid of the Classic designs, then you're just getting rid of that; the designs! This might be hard on Classic purists, but that's honestly not that big a deal! Yet if you get rid of the Modern designs, you're basically scrapping everything that comes with them. Pretty much everything that was introduced into the series from Sonic Adventure onwards. All of the stories, all of the characters, all of the ideas; just swept under the rug like they aren't important and that nobody cares about them. Which, let's face it is exactly what these Modern hating, Classic purists want, and what Sega are basically giving them with this "New Classic" series (which is an oxymoron!) People like to say that their insistence on reusing Classic Sonic has nothing to do with his eye colour, but let's face facts here, that is a lie! It is literally all about the eye colour for them! They've basically decided that the older black eyed design represents everything that they love about this franchise and are just lumbering the bad stuff onto Modern Sonic. It's hypocritical, petty, and kind of infuriating, but it honestly wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for the fact that Sega has a habit of listening to toxic negativity and drastically changing the Sonic series whether it benefits from it or not, and normally it doesn't! The only reason that we even got a Classic Sonic in the first place was because whiney fans were complaining about Sonic 4 and how it had "that green eyed imposter" in it (an actual name I've heard Modern haters use.)
I think they should let Modern Sonic take over again and make Classic-inspired 2D games like the Advance trilogy every now and again alongside the 3D games (like in the late 90s and early 00s), and maybe just offer the Classic designs as optional skins for the fans that prefer that look for both the 2D and 3D games, kind of like what RGG Studio did for the Monkey Ball cast in Super Monkey Ball Banana Mania.
Idc what others say, keepin Modern and classic sonic games producing side by side is a win for anyone. If someone got a problem just keep yoself on one side
@@RisTheGreat29Facts. The Sonic fanbase really does complain about literally everything, especially when it’s something that isn’t even an issue. I mean, Modern fans already got Frontiers just last year! Yet you don’t hear fans of classic Sonic wanting Modern Sonic to die for replacing the original Sonic. Oh wait, they did…20 years ago. History’s just repeating itself, in which the fans of previous iterations of Sonic hate games that don’t appeal to their exact tastes, even though Sonic Superstars is clearly just a side game. Personally, my first Sonic game was Generations so I’m about as unbiased as they come to this issue. I can understand hating nostalgia when it’s used the wrong way, but from what I’ve seen so far, Sonic Superstars is doing it the right way according to the demands of this same fanbase just five years ago when Mania came out and everyone’s main complaint is that it wasn’t original enough…And now that Sega’s giving us exactly what we asked for, fans are bitching about it like a bunch of spoiled brats! Imagine working day in and day out for years to meet the demands of your fanbase only to get rejected by the same people who asked for the product you’re giving them?! Unbelievable…
Agreed. And I'm gonna say this now, all yall who are butthurt that superstars isn't advance 4, I hope sega never makes advance 4 just to spite you bitches
I don't know about Classic Sonic dying but I'm definitely biased towards Modern Sonic. Unfortunately, I strongly believe Classic Sonic is far more respected by older fans/non-fans. For a while, the mainstream belief solidified by online celebrities like the Game Grumps was that Sonic in the 2000s sucked ass and only the classic games were good. I obviously don't believe this to be true as how you mentioned in the video, Sonic also had a lot of failures in the late 90s which are conveniently forgotten about to further push the belief that Modern Sonic is garbage. As for what I personally believe, I'd much rather have the series focus solely on Modern Sonic but I won't cry about it if they both co-exist, my only problem is lately they've been pushing the IP as a "cutesy" franchise and that goes against what Classic Sonic stood for in the 90s of being a cool edgy rebel. Sonic Superstars straight up looks like a game Nintendo would make if they owned the series lol
Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES
As a Classic Sonic fan, I feel like he should stay around, but I do agree about the lies - they are pretty ridiculous and I'm not about to defend them. However, there are lies which I've seen thrown around in order to to make Classic Sonic look redundant or just plain bad. You can't just address one side of the argument. Lie #1: He has appeared in too many games and is purely nostalgia pandering. He's appeared in only 4 games since 1998, that's nowhere close to being overused by any margin. A lot of people often tend to pair the non-existent oversaturation of Classic Sonic with the "Green Hill fatigue". Now, I'm not going to pretend that didn't exist, but the constant use of Green Hill, Chemical Plant, and Sky Sanctuary-like stages has nothing to do with Classic Sonic himself, it was just SEGA and Sonic Team realising after Generations released that Classic Sonic fans still existed, but not knowing how to appeal to both sides properly. I'm not here to defend Green Hill being in basically every 2010s Sonic game, or Classic Sonic being shoe-horned into Sonic Forces. I can admit that it was nostalgia pandering, but that does not make Classic Sonic bad, just that SEGA made bad decisions. Just keep Classic Sonic out of Modern Sonic games and give him new zones in any new games, and then we can avoid all the drama. Well, unless people want to go out of their way to complain about something that has no negative impact on them whatsoever. Lie #2: Classic Sonic is stunting the development of the series. He is not in the slightest. People seem to be forgetting that Sonic Team are working on update 3 for Sonic Frontiers at the moment; the largest and most anticipated update to an experimental game that turned out to be a big success. No doubt that the next Modern Sonic game will have experimental elements as well. How does a Classic Sonic game not being a giant experiment mean that it's hurting the series? Sonic Superstars isn't even being made by Sonic Team. Classic Sonic fans play the original trilogy, CD, and Mania to this day because we like the familiarity. We want an enjoyable game just as much as the next Sonic fan, but the gameplay is only half of the appeal. Lie #3: Just use the Modern Sonic characters, the Classic fans will lick it up if it plays like a Classic Sonic game. That may be true for some people, but most certainly not all. The gameplay is only half of the Classic Sonic appeal, the rest is that it's NOT Modern Sonic. Not to say that the Modern Sonic aesthetics, cast, or character designs are bad, but I just want to play a Classic Sonic game with the Classic aesthetics, cast, and character designs. I know that many people don't want to see the Classic designs anymore, or say that the Classic designs should be skins for the Modern cast, but I have to disagree. We don't want Modern Sonic with a Classic coat of paint, we want the character designs and visuals to compliment the gameplay, whether it be it 2D or 2.5D. Getting rid of those designs would make a lot of fans abandon the series, the fans who were already disappointed when Sonic Adventure changed everything and just want a new experience with those original characters and have been waiting for another since Mania. This is coming from someone who grew up with primarily Modern Sonic (06-Colours) games. I have no nostalgia at all for the Classic games, but they clicked with me when I did play them, in a way that the Modern games never did. I don't know if I explained that particularly well or if I went off topic, I tend to ramble a bit.
Amazing rant and I agree with everything. But like I said with my comment this debate is so useless cause there not a single fuck we can do to actually decide this outcome. We ain't Sega nor Sonic Team and I wish this debate just shut up already lmao.
Entirely sad to see that this is the most logical comment under this entire video. God this fanbase fucking sucks and it’s extremely obtuse. I agree with you 100%. I grew up with both Classic & Modern, as I got older I preferred Classic due to how well those games aged and how consistent they are with quality. The entire issue with this stupid ass debate is Modern Sonic fan’s jealousy towards the Classic brand. That’s literally it, no matter what they tell you. Classic appears to be the “Good/Positive/Popular” Sonic compared to Modern in terms of games. It infuriates Modern fans that it’s viewed that way. Though if you look at the quality of each title: Classic Sonic games increase as time goes on. Modern Sonic games quality is inconsistent and just fluctuates throughout time. It’s too much experiment with the Modern brand which did more harm than good. Again- There’s more faith, trust, anticipation regarding the Classic games towards Modern. Look how people views Mania & Forces. It’s the exact same with Superstars & Frontiers. People are more cynical towards the Modern titles while being confident with the Classic title. No matter what you see online with Classic Sonic criticism, it’ll always be by a bias Modern fan. That’s why I don’t take any of these folks in the fanbase seriously. No critical thinking just pure biased. It’s very strange.
@@TaeInfinite while I'm not a classic fan and more grown up with modern I see no reason why classic should die. Classic is just as a mascot as modern is. While they are the same person they hold something different to one and another. Modern was always weird in 2D anyways so why make a classic game with him in it? Makes no sense.
@@Electrical010 It’s not just that. There have been 2D Modern games, decent ones at that. Though realistically, no one gives a shit about those games even if they think they do. SEGA clearly doesn’t. They didn’t even bother looking back at those games for inspiration other than Boosting. The reason they use Classic Sonic because they rebranded Sonic as two entities. Sadly, they’re just now realizing you make on a Mainline (Modern) and Spin-Off (Classic). It’s a win for both audiences. Modern fans kept crying for strictly 3D titles, they appear to be getting that. Classic fans want more 2D games, they’re getting that. Again my point still stands: It’s just Modern Sonic fans being selfish & biased towards the Classic brand. That’s all lol.
I miss when Sonic was just Sonic, Generations for as great as it was may have been a doubled edged sword in the grand scheme of things looking back. Then again the entirety of the 2010s was pure nostalgia pandering for lots of series. At least with Megaman it’s organized with Classic, X, Legends, Battle Network and Starforce. I still want a Megaman X9.
Sonic fans are morons for even having this debate its dumb and childish, classic and modern are two different interpretation of the same character. I may hate forces but I'm so glad they separated the two, "sonic is sonic" but people are allowed to like one version more than the other. Being one whole timeline does not work here sorry to say this but most of modern sonic games comes off as bad furry Shounen fanfiction with most importantly mediocre to bad inconsistent gameplay formulas. If sega started doing what Megaman did with its spinoffs this wouldn't have been an issue because it would have organized a series of spinoffs of the same character.
If the worst of Modern Sonic (forces) is selling more than the highest of classic I’m confused why we have him still Edit: for god sakes people you can’t all be new age Sonic fans. We used to get Modern Sonic 2D games all the time. The Rush duology (or trilogy if you count colors), Advance trilogy and probably some niche game I’m not thinking of. We do not need Classic for 2D platforming the boost formula was built on a 2D game
Not really, sonic 2 and 1 are the highest selling games in the franchise, but i think you're talking about sonic mania, which if you are then you're right
personally speaking, as someone who genuinely prefers Modern Sonic, I don’t think Classic Sonic should die. Simply put, not counting Sonic Origins as that as a collection of ports and remakes, classic sonic, hasn’t gotten a game since 2017. I don’t think it’s the end of the world if he gets a new one five years later. As long as they’re bringing something new to the table, I see nothing wrong with classic sonic having a game every once in a while. And Superstars, whether it will be good or not, is definitely introducing a lot of new ideas. And whether we want to admit it, or not, there is most definitely an audience for Classic Sonic. So I don’t see any issue with that side of the fandom being appealed to. Especially since we’re still getting plenty of modern stuff: IDW, Sonic Prime, Sonic Frontiers, animations, etc. The factory, even the building this point means that they were plenty of people who like modern sonic and plenty of people who like classic sonic. So why wouldn’t say I want to make material to appeal the both sides?
Ya know I always hated how sega made classic sonic this cutesy whimsical character ever since generation (I’m guessing to make modern sonic look cooler and more experienced?) Whatever the case even classic sonic had an edge to him (That’s LITERALLY one of the things that made him stand out as a mascot compared to Mario in the 90’s. Case and point the opening to CD. I don’t mind classic Sonic sticking around so long as they focus equally on making modern and classic sonic, quality games… …And give classic sonic his edge back!
Personally this is how I see it. Both can co-exist as main line Sonic games. Heck, if SEGA REALLY wanted to, they could switch it up and make a 2D Modern Sonic game and a 3D Classic Sonic game cause at the end of the day these are the same mofo, just different designs that appeal to two sets of a fans
Sega has themselves to blame for the psychological saturation in the fanbase. If they didn’t try to force the “Classic” essence into every single game including 3D just so fans don’t throw a fit, maybe the design wouldn’t be as viewed upon that harsh. While I do prefer the “Modern” style of Rush and Advanced for next in line 2D games, I don’t mind the little Sonic style itself as long as the games are good. Much like Mario Wonder with the new style and gimmicks, people wanted a shake up and is looking from just ONE TRAILER to be that new 2D evolution. 2D Sonic doesn’t need to fall back onto nostalgia for it to sale, just needs to be good.
i made a video on this but yeah i think classic need to go, or at least evolve into something else, change his design and be his own thing rather then the old sonic
Yeah maybe even get hyper sonic back from sonic and knuckles as an og sort of way to also work on something in the game as you play such as special stages with more unique revamps
@@carnivoreteacher8571Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES
Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES
The reason why Sonic CD soundtrack isn't as good is because you been listening to the wrong soundtrack. The US soundtrack is by far the best one even though many Sonic fanboys hate to admit it.
I always felt that the us music was a bit more catchy and memorable than the Jp music. While Jp soundtrack sound more like classic sonic. the Us one to me sounded way more upbeat and dramatic in comparison like the boss music for example, The us version just sounds absolutely terrifying.
Of course this is a controversy that was bound to happen lel. Classic Sonic feels like it is in its weirdest form yet. Where Sonic Team DOES NOT need to overrely on it like this still... as Modern Sonic games can sell just as well (even in a weak form like with Forces lol), and has for years on end. But they keep it alive for... many potential reasons. Which I won't get into cuz hoo... lol. Funny thing about your "3 lies" though is the 2000s as a whole validates your points there. Cause yeah the Classic Trilogy was great... but guess what? When it ended, that ENTIRE period between 3&K and Adventure is where those more experimental and not as good Classic games are. You could nitpick and straight say Classic Sonic had its own "Dark Era" if you really wanna go there. As to where Modern Sonic technically stood on its own two feet longer. Despite how mixed its games could get. Really just think Classic Sonic is still alive and treated the way it is because of the stigma of how perfect it is that's been there for years now. And no one wants to change and look past that stigma for whatever reason. Keep telling folks, it isn't a good mindset for a long term series.
Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES
I feel like no one appreciates Classic Sonic simply because people started playing Sonic during the Adventure era or Modern era and that he gets some hate due to how he was treated in Sonic Generations and Forces
It's kinda like how people hate on the Adventure games because of 06. It's sad, really. Had the series been more consistent with its quality over the years, there would be less hate.
@@gamelordabdYes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES
I think they should have the market for all games One year we get a New gen game One year we get a classic The next we get a boost game Ofc ports and remasters along the way too
modern sonic overstayed his welcome. he has had more games in one decade than classic sonic did when he was just 'THE' sonic. plus, the modern designs are just ugly. half the characters just look angry all the time. and most of the renders look lifeless. and do I need to bring up how they are just satirized versions of the adventure rendition? I'm not saying classic should be the main one. I'm saying they both need to go.
I only like the classic games, so of course I want more classic games. I feel like having more games that reach a larger amount of people is always a good thing.
In my opinion no for one, classic sonic is the original sonic he’s the design that started the franchise. Him being used as a way to make more 2d games is good in my opinion. It allows them to tell original stories, and also use the obscured characters that don’t appear modern games. Also no matter what classic sonic and modern sonic are still sonic. Same personality, same goals, and everything just one is shorter than the other so there’s not really a problem.
Kinda funny how people always say "Sonic is Sonic!" But then all collectively get mad when classic Sonic is featured in anything. Not that I agree or disagree with any of the points made it's just something I've noticed.
>Use the obscure characters that don’t appear in Modern Games Well in that case I’d love to see Honey the Cat in some fashion Modern also has the same problem with not using Blaze, Silver and especially Cream outside of spin-offs
To me, Classic Sonic has the charm of being a mostly silent stoic mascot. While modern Sonic purposefully conveys himself as cool. Those are different incarnations of Sonic. And I agree that Classic Sonic can be used as a way to make more 2d games, I kinda hope they manage to do at least Sonic Advance level stories, stakes, and new concepts over time. I would accept other characters talking more, but Classic Sonic could be silent for that classic mascot value. I like how they made Classic Tails be the one talking in Generations.
you guys already got the triple A edgy story game y'all wanted, and when classic fans get a simple 2d platformer, classic sonic should die?, they literally said each will be developed separately after superstars release so y'all don't need to wait too much for a modern game and vice-versa , for gods sake, let classic sonic fans have their stuff and y'all can have urs and be happy with it, none has to die,if you don't like one of them you're not forced to buy it, i love both, but this debate is just because we're getting a classic game and not the advance or rush stuff y'all want, i hope you can understand and don't say one or other should die, please.
I think they should do more Modern games and make Classic Sonic a side thing so he wouldn't feel oversaturated. Making him appear so many times looks like he's a different character, when he's just younger Sonic. Don't think Classic Sonic is being used here just for nostalgia since the game is entirely new, but as long as the final product is high-quality, he's fine I guess.
I took a sega survey back in 2021 giving feedback to their various "franchises" and it shocked me that there was seperate pages asking how I felt about the "sonic franchise" and the "classic sonic franchise". Idk if they are still using the silly logic now, but it should be noted that they really were trying to make it a separate thing back then! lol
Classic Sonic was neat to have in Generations, but that's as far as he should went. Cause after that, it fractured the fanbase even more with Modern Character this and Classic character that when before they were just that character.
Id prefer they both stay, but if one had to go, I think it would be modern. I see the modern design as cool for it's stime but it isn't timeless like the classic design and was kind of a misstep. At the end of the day though everyone has different opinions, and The classic Sonic Fanbase that prefers Classic Sonic is just as big as the people that like Modern Sonic.
Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG
I think that Classic Sonic has been used way to much to the points were SEGA will add him to any new title cause they think nostalgia will make the game sell more. And I'm still asking myself why was he in Forces?
Yoo a lot of people are reacting to a video made by classic sonic should die I think it’s harsh but it’s sonic fandom we talking about I personally want classic sonic to stay.
@@JJkingz0410-pm7xcUnleash has some of the most honest critiques I've seen about Sonic on Twitter, he's kind of brought a negative look to him with the way he responds to most people on there, i myself have no problem with him, i just think he needs to double down on making fun of others who enjoy stuff he doesn't, and be less "arrogant" with the way he responds to most people
Honestly I wouldn’t miss Classic Sonic if they ever stopped bringing him back or somehow shoehorn him into a modern game like with Forces, Classic peaked on his first throwback appearance in Generations and it definitely should’ve stayed as his game where he shares the spotlight with Modern. I still think Classic grinding in Superstars is a bit jarring because it was always a Modern thing, next thing you know they’ll invent some gimmick to make Classic Boost like Modern does. About the blunders, Prem brings up a really good point on Classic in the mid 90s, there were so many throwaway meh games after S3&K that were on Game Gear that are often ignored because everyone pays too much attention to Modern’s blunders probably because 06 nearly killed the series and we can still feel the impact from it today but I digress, Classic only had like 3 games on the Saturn which are R, Jam (which is a compilation) and a 3D Blast Port with a different OST.
Exactly! It's like these Classic purists are saying "Oh yeah, Sega can totally put Modern stuff like rail grinding into a 2D game..... BUT NO MODERN CHARACTERS!!!!! THEY'D RUIN THE ENTIRE GAME WITH THEIR COLOURED EYES!!!!" It's ridiculous!
Personally I don’t mind classic sonic. Just keep him out of the modern games and we’re good. Here’s the way I like to see the whole classic sonic and modern sonic thing: classic sonic is for new fans who are just getting into sonic, presumably little kids, with it’s simple plots, while modern sonic is for people who grew up with the sonic games with more complex stories.
Sonic fans dug themselves into this hole. There shouldn't even be a "classic" Sonic. There should just be Sonic. These games should just be called 2D Sonic whether they use the classic design or not. Is it that hard? The whole "classic" name doesn't even make sense anymore either. The name feels like an add-on now instead of a title.
Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES sega limit
These debates about classic and modern sonic are getting annoying. What prem said isn’t wrong but classic shouldn’t die classic could just be for the casuals and classic fans as long as the content is new (no green hill) I like classic but I also like modern so we should keep classic but no have him everywhere and I think that superstars could be the perfect start for that. Like a few modern games and every now and then we get a classic game
Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES
all this inclusion of classic sonic in recent titles holds back the potential and expansion of the modern world. since classic games in reality arent blowing modern sonic games out of the water in sales i dont see a reason why they have a need to shove classic sonic elements in games so frequently. its why im not really too hype for superstars, charging 60$ for a 3d classic sonic game after seeing how origins left out some things and made changes im not too fond of, superstars really couldve been a modern game. as a modern fan i feel like classic sonic has been getting too much attention in the past 10 years.
Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES
My opinion on all this is I’m good with Classic Sonic. Sure we may have done a ton of nostalgia pawning which killed Green Hill Zone, Chemical Plant, etc: but That’s literally also happened in Modern Sonic games. The only real big issue (For Me) is really having him in the Same Exact Time as Sonic since he has no reason to be there or being nearly as capable to Modern Sonic as he recently has been shown in Games Like Forces. We can still have fun exploring new places we’ve never been before without having to mess with the 2D Lovers. When The Classic Games have been Praised to the roof and there’s a pretty much universally agreed “No Bad Games” title for them. We can still have more to spice up the gameplay styles. Both are goated and can coexist, Im literally able to play this with my friends while Modern Sonic has basically ZERO ways for me to do this. Let Classic Cook.
Unsurprisingly, I've seen so many people miss the point when it comes to this modern sonic and classic sonic discussion. The main issue isn't classic sonic just simply existing in newer titles, it's obviously Segas flawed mentality when it comes to handling him. To further explain what I mean, early 90s sonic is just an older design of the exact same character. He isn't a separate version of sonic, he didn't come from some alternate timeline, he doesn't and shouldn't represent a different take on the character. If you paid any amount of attention at all to older sonic art from that era, you'll notice that early 90's sonic started to slowly and naturally evolve into his adventure era appearance. Take the sonic jam and sonic r art illustrations for example, his limbs look a bit longer, his shade of blue looks darker, etc. Just like his 1998 appearance. As we all know, in the 2010s Sega had decided to treat sonics early 90's appearance as a sonic from another dimension. Now, they obviously walked back on that not to long ago, but the fact that they made a brain dead decision like that in the first place, strengthens my point even further. This whole split between sonics current design and his older look when it comes to gameplay, is just silly and nonsensical. 2d gameplay shouldn't only be limited to just sonics old genesis era years, and 3d gameplay doesn't need to be restricted to just his modern and adventure era titles. We've seen the modern sonic design used in 2d games, we don't need sonics early 90's self to be put in a box, to where he can only represent nostalgia and the gameplay from those older titles. Early 90's sonic also shouldn't be treated like some cutesy mascot character either, since that literally goes against what sonic should represent, a character that can't be put in a box and doesn't conform to the norm. Sega has literally warped what early 90's sonic represented back then, and so many fans have fallen for it. That era didn't represent safe in the box thinking. So, when I look at sonic super stars it just looks like a safe game that isn't even trying to take risks. That's not and never was what early 90's sonic, classic sonic, or whatever you prefer to call him, represented. That's the biggest lie ever told about classic sonic, and it came from Sega. The modern design can and should be used for future 2d titles. The classic design can also be used as an unlockble skin in future 2d and 3d titles, there's nothing wrong with that as long as it's implemented well. Classic sonic doesn't need to be cutesy and safe, he should represent the cool edge that naoto oshima was going for in terms of sonics attitude, his toei look from the CD intro perfectly represents what early 90's sonic was trying to go for, not that corporate, soulless, and safe crap that we saw from his forces iteration. Mario, link, and crash bandicoot have had their early designs treated as unlockble skins in their games like crash 4, mario odyssey, and breath of the wild. Sonic should get the same exact treatment moving forward. Because at the end of the day, he wasn't supposed to fundamentally change as soon as he made his true transition into 3d. He never did, he just evolved along with the franchise into what it was always trying to be. His soul had remained in tact, along with the spirit of the franchise. Until both things got lost somewhere along the way. The two designs shouldn't be split, they should come back together like before in the 90's. We technically all want the same thing right?
THANK YOU!!!! I think you've summed it up perfectly! I'd like to add that there's also a bit of a classic bias from some Sonic fans out there. For example, there's that fan made game Sonic Utopia (which in fairness isn't really a game, more of a potential tech demo), which features a large open world to explore with gameplay that relies on momentum to build up speed. While I haven't played it myself, it does look fun, and the momentum based physics does show that you can make a game where Sonic can travel incredibly fast without relying on just pressing a button to blast off at full speed in an instant. Yet I swear, I remember seeing UA-cam videos of this game where people had left comments like "Yeah, this is awesome! So much better than those stupid 3D Modern games! See, Classic Sonic can be in 3D games too! 3D Sonic games should be like this! See, we don't need Modern Sonic! Sega should just get rid of him and make 3D games like this from now on!" I know that not all Classic fans are like this, but it is annoying because it's almost like they're saying Sonic's eye colour somehow has something to do with the quality of the gameplay. Which is ridiculous. Since this topic has been coming up lately, I've pointed this out to a few fans, but they vehemently deny this. "It's got nothing to do with the design! It's about the gameplay! It's about the aesthetics! It's about the simpler stories!" So I say "Ok, let's have a game with all of that stuff, only with the Modern designs instead of the Classic ones" and their response is normally "Oh no no no! Only Classic Sonic can be in those types of games!" So, it IS all to do with the design?
Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES
@@bowmaj8666Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES
@@bowmaj8666Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG
My issue isn't that classic needs to die and never is seen again, its that it should have never gotten to this point to begin with. They should have never split up different DESIGNS as completely different characters, no other ip does this. Imagine every time a new 2d mario game comes out, they just randomly switch to that really old, late 80s crusty fat mario design lol. When sonic advance hit, they used the current design, not because classic was bad or something, but because the series had moved on, and didn't need to do weird things like this.
Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES
CD Sonic is pretty much the best way to go about classic Sonic when it comes to music, character design and aesthetic and everyone seems to know it, except maybe Sonic Team who continue to push this overly cutesy "Oh, its baby Sonic" image. At this point Sonic team don't seem to remember how to handle Sonic's characterisation, be it modern OR classic.
Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES sega limit
As someone who has viewed the discourse, I'm just gonna say this and then continue the video. I'm more of a "Modern" Sonic fan than a Classic one. They made changes to Sonic's design from "Classic" to Modern because they didn't want him to appear too cute and sharpen his edge a bit. This works for me as this is the Sonic I like the most. While I wouldn't say Classic is cutesy, there are things that are just different from the Classic games' and appearance compared to the Modern ones. You've mentioned it before with Superstars' aesthetic. *That* aesthetic is not why I'm into Sonic. And since I don't see them going back to more sharper aesthetic with Classic like Classic in CD, I'm just not a fan.
With that said, I can peacefully co-exist with Classic Sonic as long as they stop making it seem like the Classic universe is the only universe that can do 2D gameplay but it limits the characters and potential for other things. To want another Advance game or even 2D boost game seems impossible at this point with just making classic own the current 2D titles. I don't use 2D Sonic and Classic interchangeably and nor should they. If they make Modern 2D titles as well, then I have no issue, but we do know there's a limit because they blatantly said it when people asked for Shadow in Superstars. So fans can't act like this limit doesn't exist.
Pretty sure they only redesign sonic because classic sonic in 2d look weird.
@@Sonicmid No, it's been written that it's because they didn't want Sonic to look too cute. They knew Sonic wouldn't be able to compete in that category with Hello Kitty, so they changed the design.
@@winterbliss3690 90s classic sonic wasn’t really portrayed cute at all.
(take the cd opening or OVA as example).
Plus there are screenshots of beta sonic adventure, where they use the classic design however, they changed it later.
@@Sonicmid Dude, look up the Sonic 2018 GDC or look at what Naka blatant said about the reason for the redesign:
Question: *I noticed that the Dreamcast version of Sonic has a slightly different atmosphere/feeling compared to the earlier illustrations.*
Naka: "Sonic was originally supposed to be this impertinent, cheeky character. However, once he blew up in popularity, his image gradually morphed into something more cutesy. Sonic has now appeared in 29 games across different platforms, and Sonic merchandise and goods have proliferated around the world. Because of that, we (his creators) kind of lost some control over his image. So when it came time to do Sonic Adventure in 1998, we were worried that if he became too cutesy, he would end up just like every other cute, cloying character mascot. So for the Dreamcast, we deliberately tried to strengthen his original “bad boy” image."
They changed it because they didn't want him to be seen as too cute.
It seems quite impossible for Shadow to appear in a game with the original design, give he would still very much be on ice, and the only way he could be playable is if someone was wheeling him around in his containment pod. I nominate the Chaotix! I feel I could see Vector calling out
"Did anyone order a Sleeping Beauty?"
Interestingly, the Bridge Island Zone theme is different from the one in interviews.
You weren't wrong when you said it sounded different to what we heard before, it has different intruments and even a different melody for the solo.
Yeah Tee Lopes came in and did his magic lol
This may not be a good time to say I think the interview version is better 😭@@premydaremy
@@LukeStationu right bro dw
@@LukeStation I think the interview one is the most updated one. It has a bigger theme to it
@@LukeStation I think it may be perceived as sounding worse, is the fact that the leaked track was in mono, as opposed to stereo, *AND* was compressed, so I bet when the game comes out, it will sound amazing!
there's a lot of elements that go into making classic sonic beloved. its more than just an aesthetic, and it's more than just nostalgia. that being said, SEGA doesn't see the full appeal of what makes that character so great. instead they've decided to make him into a nostalgia strategy without understanding the core formula. ironically, that limits their options because they tend to adhere to something extremely strict. A LOT more strict than it should be.
the proof of all this is simple; notice how I said earlier that sega 'uses classic sonic' and you immediately understood what gameplay style I'm referring to. that's because sega has decided to completely tie classic sonic to '2D platformer with special stages, emerald collecting, and cutesy childlike factors'. ironically enough, what made the original classics so charming was the gimmicks, the cool factors and the shocking factors, the mastery of mechanics, the innovation, and funnily enough, their attempt at making the 2D games look as 3D as possible. these are the same factors that make modern sonic appealing to me, and to many other people as well.
unfortunately what the newer titles seem to do is restrict everything to make it kind of the opposite of modern sonic. oh modern is 3D so classic has to be 2D, modern is cool and mature so lets make classic cute and child-like. this kind of restriction, alongside the unwelcomed and HEAVY overuse of classic elements in modern games, will naturally cause stagnation the more it's done. its repetitive and doesn't try something new. and that's why many people don't like to see classic sonic anymore. that's also why I kind of despise classic sonic with all my might at this point lmao. the ONLY time I'd be willing to look at another classic sonic game is if they incorporate modern elements in. but by that point it wont even be a 'classic sonic game' in sega's eyes, so they kill off any chance of hooking me onto the game the moment they announce it's a classic game.
*Slow Clap*
Excellently put, my friend! You've summed it up brilliantly.
I love your point in your last paragraph. "Modern is 3D, so Classic has to be 2D. Modern is cool and mature, so let's make Classic cute and child like!" I'd like to add to this. "Modern Sonic talks, so Classic Sonic has to be mute!" Sega and the fans who condone this divide can make up all the excuses that they want, ("oh, Classic Sonic didn't talk in the old games so he shouldn't talk now") but realistically the only reason that Classic Sonic doesn't talk is because they wanted him to be as different to Modern Sonic as they possibly could!
The music that we’ve heard so far is are actually pretty good so I’m not to worried about any of the music
Remember when they said they want to make the series move forward yet they keep chaining themselves to the past?
lol
Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES
What I find some what strange is, everybody I've heard talk about this game, acts like its a mainline game, there are more things you could do with modern, and it would've been very cool, but honestly classic games at this point are just spin offs, things to strengthen the IP so modern Sonic games can sell better. I don't really see the point in getting rid of him, when there are people who enjoy those classic themes, and even I'm ok with it, as long as, he stays out of modern games.
I think the real problem is that if you have two separate series, then they're always going to be compared to one another. You're always going to get people complaining about the Modern games because "they're not 2D, they're stories are too complicated, Modern Sonic talks too much!"
If these truly are problems with these games then there's always other ways to solve them instead of just "keep all the good things that all Sonic fans love in the Classic games and lumber the Modern games with all the divisive and bad stuff!"
I truly think that this is a fact that sails clear over a lot of Sonic "fans" heads.
As a Sonic fan, i hope classic sticks around.
The ONLY issue people actually have with Classic Sonic is that he was in Forces. If he was never in forces, this would never have been a discussion. Since he was only in Generations before that. [Not shoved into everything, hes only been in 2 modern games]
The classic playstyle is iconic, so i think having a second team making Classic style games is only a good thing. It means more Sonic games for people who see Sonic as Sonic, like me, and prevents the two styles merging like with Forces and Gens. Which was fine for Gens imo.
I'm lothe to use it as an example, but think of Classic Sonic like Paper Mario and you'll understand where im coming from with this. It's an art and gameplay style, not an entirely different Mario. So they should stop separating them as two different Sonic's.
2 Styles, 1 Sonic.
Forces is not the only reason lmao, the stagnation of gameplay mechanics + the aesthetic of Classic zones/badniks is an issue for a lot of people.
That's all Classic is though, its an aesthetic. Which, is fine to not like the aesthetic. But i do think its more of a reused assets issue [GreenHill, ChemicalPlant, SkySancturary] and not a 'Classic' issue.
Basically people are sick of Greenhill zone, is the problem. But that's a different discussion.
@@premydaremyThe Emerald Powers are a nice cool addition and in fact I’m surprised it took them this long to do something like that, giving the player incentive to collect each Emerald to gain new powers and even that probably won’t be looked back on with fondness since the Wisps already did something like that for Modern.
paper mario and classic sonic are totally different things though, paper mario was like a spin off from the main series, whilst classic sonic is part of sonic's canonical history and is referenced over and over in the mainline games as his true self
@@COM-Project Right, but im saying that Classic Sonic should be like that, a spin-off style we get between the maingames. Not a canonical character separate from Sonic. Just Sonic himself. In a different art and gameplay style to the main games. Like paper mario.
I don’t care about classic sonic discourse, I’m p*ssed they didn’t make a Lego sonic game in the style of the Lego games of old
DUDE!
me and you both,
there is still hope for that to happen!
@@AltKaxREAL we’ll still have lego dimensions 😔
I’m not gonna argue that the character of “classic sonic” is important, or that they would sell as well in the modern age, or that spinoffs (even storybook) should even be included in the discussion.
While I love me a good modern Sonic game, and that’s how I got my start, I just keep on coming back to the classics. The large branching levels, the secrets, the movement mechanics, the pacing of speed and solid platforming, etc. This is referring to the genesis games, not everything in this gameplay style. Modern Sonic has some of this, but not enough to make me want to replay Generations beyond the occasional joyride. I’ll make an exception and say that Adventure has a lot of these qualities with at least the Sonic/Shadow gameplay, and would enjoy seeing that as well.
A smaller point is that if we assume the budget for a classic Sonic game is smaller than a modern 3D one, then they can still make a profit even if they don’t sell as much.
Sidenote: Even though I like classic Sonic, I don’t vibe with his modern cutesy design or total muteness.
I cant believe that Sonic Forces sold more than Sonic Mania. That just shows that Modern Sonic Is a lot more popular than Classic Sonic. I really like Modern Sonic so much more but I do think that there should always be separate games for both because there will always be a fan base for Modern Sonic and a fan base for Classic Sonic. Sonic Frontiers has mods that turn 2D into 3D so whats not to say at some point someone creates a mod that turns Sonic Superstars into a 3D game and simply add in Modern Sonic and some various animation and physics adjustments like what they been able to do for some Sonic Frontiers mods. I am so excited for Sonic Superstars and cant wait to play the game.
Classic Sonic has overstated his welcome. It’s time for him to go.
There’s nothing that Classic Sonic does, that Modern can not do better. If Superstars was a modern game, we’d get modern characters, dialog, a more interesting story, more dynamic gameplay, more playable characters, more unique music, and more interesting levels.
I truly believe that classic sonic does nothing but hold the series back. His games have no personality
What’s the point of the split. Classic sonic is a younger modern sonic. The series moved on, why are we continuing to revert back? For “classic purists” who only love sonic a certain way? Classic games don’t even sell more than modern games in the current times.
This weird belief that classic sonic propels the franchise needs to go. Sega has been obsessed with classic to the point where they try to make modern sonic more like him. Green hill, chemical plant, green hill clones, changing Sonics model to be lighter blue with shorter quills, classic aesthetic in lost world. Like when is it enough.
Sega would make more money if they’d stop trying to pander to a minority crowd, and just made good games with an interesting premise.
Sega is creating an identity problem with brand, and it’s an easy fix. Classic needs to go
Okay, so let's wait for Sonic Team to make a Modern Sonic game that actually does these things better. I'll wait.
Still waiting...
@@RisTheGreat29 The problem is the quality. It doesn't matter if classic "goes" or not. The quality will be the same if the means of production on Sonic Team's end doesn't change...
Objectively,a large portion of Classic Sonic games are better and there is more consistency in quality.
@@kingtiger5040 But what on earth does Sonic's eye colour have to do with the overall quality of the gameplay?
@@bowmaj8666Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES sega limit
I think classic sonic should stay but please don't bring him back anymore to a modren sonic game
Agreed I see classic sonic as another branch of the sonic franchise.
Classic Sonic is like Mario if they stuck with Super Mario World. We wouldn’t have the ground pound, wall jump, mid air spin, and triple jump if they never innovated past the 90s.
Classic was going to have new moves in X-Treme, and eventually gained new shield abilities, a drop dash, new emerald powers soon and even had the homing attack in 3D Blast and Gens, so it kind of balances it out as far as innovation goes. What was your favorite ability modern had? Light Speed Dash/attack, boost mode, wisps, etc?
@@unschoolwish somersault, stomp, tricks, boost, homing attack. The moves that were naturally incorporated as part of your moveset.
I think the trick system was the best Modern Sonic addition personally for the sake of extra air ability and reach. Most of the others are either more tuned for 3D space like the homing attack or are made redundant with a robust classic physics system like the boost, which may even be dropped in a future game as hinted by Kishimoto.
Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES
We should've gotten a modern 2d sonic game like the Advance or Rush trilogies. That would've been cooler than just classic sonic again.
Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES
I agree, Mania’s my favorite game in the series but I think it’s time for classic sonic to make room for Modern 2D games with similar physics. There’s a lot more potential there.
Not gonna lie, these songs are going to sound so good when the community and/or Sega go in and do the guitar covers for them, I don't get why they had to emulate the classics soundtracks.
Before superstars all i dreamed of is a classic sonic 2,5d game and now with superstars & mania classic sonic needs to stay
Can we get another Sonic tier list with the other games (Mario & Sonic, Super Smash Bros., Murder of Sonic the Hedgehog, Mania Plus, Origins Plus, Superstars)? Maybe a list with other characters like Shadow, Amy, Tails, Knuckles, etc.?
Mario Fans: "Im so excited for a new mario Game! We finally have a fresh 2d Mario game" Sonic Fans: "We dont want classic games", "We want classic games", "Sonic is only good in 2d", "Why are is arms blue"
If you actually knew anything about Mario you'd know that people have been complaining about New Super Mario Bros. being generic ever since New Super Mario Bros. 2! Nintendo finally listened this year as a result of that feedback.
@@premydaremy oh yea so I've seen, the "new" series has not been "new" for along time now lol....its just crazy to me how anything sega does, it's wrong somehow. Classic is not in the main 3d game, I don't know how more games is a bad thing. I'd think it be a good thing to get a new 2d game and a new 3d game every few years.
Hell no man, do not get rid of Classic Sonic. Its a cool sidebranch of the franchise that they can do some more casual, interesting things in. Just keep him out of the Modern Sonic games and let them do their own things side by side.
Plus, subjective, but I think Classic Sonic's design is a bit more timeless
I don’t mind Classic Sonic having his own games, just don’t Force him upon us in the Modern titles so we don’t have a Forces situation, pun intended.
I agree with this point. Just keep the shit separate. No classic in Modern, No Modern in classic unless it's a modren 2D game like Advanced.
No you are going to see green hill in 4K and you are going to like it.
@@shutdamn6376Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES
I don't mind classic existing because I know some people prefer it and if they got rid of the version of Sonic I liked I'd be sad. (btw Adventure Sonic is my Sonic so they kinda did get rid of it.) I tend not to care that much about the 2d games in general so maybe I'm just removed enough from the conversation where I can say I just don't care. As long as classic doesn't bleed into the modern games or get rid of the modern games I'm cool with him existing.
What I do care about is when they are purposefully holding back to make it resemble the original titles. Superstars has rail grinding and the new powers which is great, but it took until now for classic Sonic with the classic branding to start innovating again. Really you can have classic Sonic and innovate and there's no good reason to hold back.
Classic Sonic was a mistake and I'll always resent Generations for opening the floodgates for rose-tinted players to draw direct contrasts and run away with a narrative that Sonic has been shit since his debut into 3D, which is straight up what most people outside the fandom believe. SEGA and Sonic Team have only enabled this since by doubling down and drawing a correlation between good press/audience reception and "Classic" Sonic. Now we all have to eat this shit sandwich dichotomy as if it's a real or useful thing instead of a cohesive brand solidified around a single, confident contemporary Sonic that people don't think twice about.
Modern Sonic has been shit since after Adventure 2. People will only say that the Unleashed day stages are good and that's about it. Probably just best to accept these facts.
@RisTheGreat29 not really disagreeing with you there but my point is that there's this idea that "modern" Sonic is inherently, intrinsically, conceptually shitty compared to "classic" Sonic, which I think is absurd. Post-SA2 Sonic reception has everything to do with Sonic Team outright refusing to commit to honoring Sonic's core mechanical identity in favor of throwing shit at the wall and not bothering to notice what sticks. The stigma toward "modern" Sonic is purely due to inconsistent game quality and maybe more importantly: inconsistent game design. It's easy to define classic Sonic. Nobody can agree on what "modern" Sonic truly is.
@@_HPX_Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES sega limit
I love classic Sonic personally, the only time I didn't was in Forces. There are different things I like about Modern and Classic, if they got rid 1 I wouldn't be able to have a different experience with the other
I'll address your second "lie" as someone who perfers Classic gameplay but perfers the modern model (The sonic 2 hack called "sonic boom" which uses the modern model is one of the best games I've played PERIOD (I adore the edgy aesthetic!)) EDIT: This whole comment is devil's advocate...I otherwise agree with most of your points lol
You say its unfair to say modern games are bad when they are not main series and classic has a bunch of non main series games that are also bad. This is technically true...however not counting the main games doesn't do modern any favors. Every main classic game is considered to be "really freaking good" by most people (CD is the most debatable, but most classic enthusiasts at least appreciate the game if they don't think its as good as 2 or 3) whereas you can't say the same about Modern. Being as generous about what consists as a spinoff as possible (I'd say shadow is main but to be generous we'll just have the "main" main games) you still have to contend with heroes (sizeable cult following but still a fairly divisive game), 06, Unleashed (not as divisive anymore, but werehog inevitably wears it down) Colors (Opposite issue as unleashed), Lost World and Forces. That's most of the games...cutting down the list even more to just the TRULY not well recieved games...you have 06, Lost World and Forces. That's 3 games...that's more than Classic with has ARGUABLY one (but not really since CD is higher praised than the 3 modern games I mentioned...nevermind that CD was released on an add-on console nobody bought anyways...you wanna say Knuckles Chaotix is main series? How about 3D blast?)
The real reason Classic is considered to overall be higher quality than Modern is cause he has less games...combined with most of those games being released during Sonic's golden era...that means less chances to F anything up.
I actually appreciate that everything was modern in the 2000's, it made all the sense in the world (mega collection having modern models despite being all classic for example) but now with the movies and stuff it seems sega realizes they can't realistically present sonic as just one continuity anymore...so this might be their way of saying "f it, seperate the experience of the game by aesthetic as much as possible just because".
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter too much, the quality matters...and to a lesser degree...whether the aesthetic matches the feel of the game (example, I think it makes more sense to use cutesy classic if your game is braindead easy but modern if the game is meant to be somewhat challenging...but that's just me I guess lol)
I will say this tho...I think Classic's appearence (especially in 3D) is blatantly just for nostalgia...there's no need to bring him back when you have Modern right there. Mania was almost all nostalgia, but it was done so well it ended up not mattering...they cannot keep up that quality so now classic is just another gimmick again! It is what it is tho... *sigh*
@@AlienrunYes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES sega limit
I like both versions of the character tbh, modern Sonic a bit more - but I guess Sega feels modern Sonic should be limited to 3d spaces (ironically) and put classic Sonic in the 2d games for some reason...
But either way, at least we're still getting Sonic games
Considering the fact that the best metacritic reivewed sonic game is a classic sonic game. it make sense why Sega prefers Classic sonic over modern Sonic
If they're basing all their decisions on Sonic CD somehow attaining a 93 on Metacritic then no wonder they're clueless lmao.
@@premydaremy Lol I mean Sega never learns from their mistakes anyways. They see any kind of praise from critics, especially when it comes to Sonic they fold due to the negative stigma that has surrounded modern Sonic games over the years from the media, so they resort back to what gives them the most praise which happens to be Classic Sonic.
I'm a modern fan, but I think Classic Sonic should stick around... if they continue to change things up a bit like Superstar is seemingly doing. Just look at 2D Mario! The "New" series was a welcome return with the twist of multiplayer and new stage gimmicks... until it overstayed it's welcome after the 3rd-ish one. However, Nintendo realized that people didn't want "classic" Mario gone, so they're revamping it with Wonder and most are looking forward to it.
Granted, Nintendo has more resources, so if SEGA can't make quality classic and modern then they should 100% drop classic. Also, Nintendo may even continue their hybrid 3D land/world series, kinda like some want Sonic Rush to come back.
Unleashs seems to be crying at this point
I'm the biggest Sonic fan to exist
That flash game reminded me of Sonic Labyrinth.
Considering the fact that the best Metacritic reviewed Sonic game is a classic Sonic game, it makes sense why Sega favors Classic Sonic over Modern Sonic, and as someone who prefers Modern Sonic than Classic Sonic, I think that Classic Sonic should stay in his own games, and not Modern Sonic games and I think from a pratical standpoint, various fans need to accept that Sega sees Classic Sonic as a sub-brand for the whole Sonic franchise, and they're going to take benefit of that with stuff like merchandise, games, and even occasional one-off comics from IDW. That doesn't mean that Classic Sonic is totally different from Modern Sonic or Classic Sonic being shoved into modern Sonic games, but I do think the reality going forward is that it will continue to be a subseries within the broader Sonic IP, but personally, It's just perfectly fine that Classic Sonic is going to still stick around as just long as he stays away from Modern Sonic, and I just hope the nostalgia pandering that Sega is doing with Sonic should stop, and speaking of Classic Sonic, the new music revealed for Sonic Superstars are such a banger, but anyways, I can't wait to hearing more of Sonic Superstars' soundtrack, and I do hope that Sonic Superstars is reviewed well like Mania, and hopefully Classic Sonic sticks around too (even though He should not be in Modern Sonic Games), and as always, Great Video Prem! Stay Safe!
You say that as if Sonic's eye colour has anything to do with the quality of the gameplay. If Sonic 4 had the Classic character designs in it, then it'd still be an underwhelming game. Likewise, if Mania had the Modern designs in it, then it'd still be a great game!
It's only the most whiniest of fan boys who are crying "WAAAH, SONIC'S GOT THE WRONG EYE COLOUR! WHERE'S MY SONIC? GIVE ME AN ENTIRE GAME WITH MY SONIC, REEEEEE!" Ask yourself, does this kind of toxic behaviour deserve to be catered to? Why are these entitled fan brats ultimately dictating to Sega what can and can't be in a Sonic game!
I was expecting a 2D Modern game with characters like Shadow finally making an appearance in a more traditional Sonic game with the momentum based physics that we know and love, but we got Superstars instead. That doesn't bother me though, it looks like a great game, I'm excited to try it out. I'm just a little disappointed that it's got this "no coloured irises rule!" It's as if Sega are just going "Look Classic fans! There's going to be no Modern characters in this game! Isn't that amazing? So no Shadow the Edge Lord, no Silver the IT'S NO USE, and best of all, no awful Modern Sonic who turns into Werehogs, snogs human princesses and only ever says baldy nose hair! SEE, SEE CLASSIC FANS! WE GET YOU, WE UNDERSTAND YOU.... please love us and buy our games again!"
@@bowmaj8666Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES sega limit
The "retro" one sounds like a Super Sonic theme to me.
Firstly,pls no one hate me this is wat I feel I gotta say
I personally do prefer mordern sonic and i even put on ur community post I prefer him generally and in generations,but just cus ibsaid I prefer mordern doesn't mean classic should go
There is obviously alot I could say as I have on other vids but I'll just say this one lol,even of a game sells more doesn't mean they r overral better cus 9 time out of 10,mordern games will sell more cus it's a new mainline game that we've had like a 5 year wait for,but look at critics on sonic games and u will see classic has higer ratings. I feel the need to say this at this point tho,classic has higher ratings but that doesn't mean his games r better cus I'll tell u,frontiers is the best sonic game I've played(I've never experienced any game passed unleashed that was big like adventure or heroes so forgive me pls lol),certainly better than forces.
Last thing lol,u gotta think there is a wide age range of sonic fans,some ranging from back in the 90s so give gives an all round passion for sonic fans,old who loved the 2d scrollers and new who love 3d boost/open world gameplay,this isnt to say mordern cant do 2d cus he can and continues to this day but if i touch on that then this comment will be lomger than it already is lol
To sum this up lol amd sos I thought it was gunna be short,mordern sonoc os overall preferred on terms of being more successful in selling and a nicer character to connect with but classic still has some hits that over fans enjoy and can't wait to see where he goes next as classic is basically young sonic amd his past adventures seen separately to older sonics new ones as we never really got to see alot of young sonics adventures
That's all from me lol,I've got way more to say but I'll leave it at that before I make a vid on this lol
If Sega really wants classic to stay they need to shake it up and push boudaries and fix the cute looking classic sonic also if this were modern this argument wouldn't most likely exist, but hey at least it can give the classic fans a game (Superstars) and give the modern fans a game (Frontiers)
Fr I wish we got a new 2d Modern Sonic game instead of Superstars but it be like that. Since Sega did say they want to do remakes/reboots in the future, maybe Advance/Rush ports aren't out of the table (Pray🙏😔). 2d shouldn't only be for Classic Sonic n a new 2d Modern Sonic would be refreshing since when the last time we gotten that? Anyways once we got a redo of Advance/Rush collections and they are all recieve well, then we could see a future 2d Modern Sonic game (Which ya it would take a long time but still doesn't mean there's no chance of it not being a reality).
As for Classic Sonic, I don't think he needs to die and the only thing that needs to die is the overabundance of Classic nostalgia. However Sega/Sonic Team needs to make Classic Sonic step up from his older brother Modern Sonic now cuz while yes Classic Sonic did help Modern Sonic n Sega/Sonic Team by getting out of the dark era n using the power of nostalgia to get Sonic to sale back with Colors, Gens, etc, still the Classic formula feels stale n limited. I get Modern fans shouldn't be talking when it comes to innovating the formula since that what kinda ruin the franchise too but still Sega/Sonic Team always go for risks since they still want their mascot to stay cool n the formula not feel old. Reason why now Classic Sonic is feels like a little brother to Modern Sonic is because his whole formula is cute lvl aesthetic, Eggman being the endgame villain so defeat him ar the end, and most of the gimmicks they offer aren't game changer imo. Which not saying it's bad, just saying for a $60 Classic Sonic, I kinda want a new gimmick that wasn't taken from the previous games. At least Mario Wonder is changing stuff up like the graphics, new wonder gimmick that changes the approach for each lvl, and story too. And im more of a fan of 3d Mario and usually treat 2d Mario as an appetize yet Wonder got me excited. Not saying Superstars doesn't offer anything new cuz the details of how new lvls will have their own unique moments at the end, characters will have their own lvl, n length time sounds interesting. Still just saying I wish there were more lvls aesthetic that doesn't look Classic and wish the plot was more creative. At least Mania, they tried to change up the story by having Hard-Boil Heavy rebell against Eggman n get the Phantom Ruby (To bad it had to connect Forces tho) and Titanic Monarch wow me cuz the aesthetic felt more like it came from Advance than the Classics imo. As for emerald powers n co-op, honestly least excited for both. Emerald powers are basically wisps and the co-op sounds interesting but at the same time, I worry that the speed n lvl design might be tone down. I hope im wrong on the co-op part but that just how I feel. All in all, Classic Sonic shouldn't die, but at the same time I agree with Unleash that the Classic formula just feels samey with again plot, lvl aesthetic, graphics, etc and I hope for they make the classic formula more exciting for the future
The reason why people like the the sonic they do is because it's what they are use to. It's all based in bias. I feel like Classic fans have a leg up since the original design was first and the modern design was kind of a mistep ;).
NO we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMESS
I think Classic Sonic should leave not because he's bad or I hate him, but it doesn't make sense to keep him around in a story standpoint.
Classic Sonic would eventually have to grow up and become Modern Sonic in Sonic Adventure.
Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES sega limit
I think classic sonic should stay however we make him and modern sonic a 2d game every 5 years so say we get a new rush game or advance game for modern sonic
4:30 well you look at that!, I'm in the very bottom XD
My respect to Unleash went from 90% to 0% in just one vid XD
But I'm not gonna leave threats and hate comments on his channel unlike some other Sonic Fans
Because he had an opinion on Sonic that you disagreed with?
@@premydaremyYes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES sega limit
sonic fans when sega makes a sonic game:
Man unleash started war fr
Premy spitting facts as always 🔥
Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES
It's as if top games like Sonic Advance 123 & Rush 1/2 etc dont exist to Sega. They are crazy for not focusing on Modern 2d Sonic, instead they opt for 2.5d Classic Sonic.
I feel a good Modern 2d Sonic game should aim to satisfy both classic and modern fans, and get classic fans more used to Modern Sonic in 'their' preferred 2D format.
So we can actually move forward, not having to constantly be reminded about Classic Sonic for the 9 millionth time. Modern Sonic is a upgrade to classic sonic therefore shouldn't just be used for 3d games, especially when the mod+2d formula works, and in my opinion works way better. I need a Rush 3 not Superstars.
Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES
Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES
Yeah I actually really like the sonic 4 soundtrack as well 😅
If you think the pandering is bad now. just imagine how bad it would be if Sonic superstars sells more than frontiers.
Beat secret rings already thats the last game you havent beaten i enjoyed your secret rings stream the first time around
YES
Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES sega limit
I want another sonic unleashed honestly
yes thank you better than classic
Ur cracked out if you think sonic 4's ost is better than CD's.
W vid but I don't think that he should die just cause of someone's stupid opinion
I honestly don't care either way. But Mania was fire. I don't care what anyone says about that shit. They need to start porting shit like the Sonic Advance games. Classic Sonic haters are gonna hate regardless. Modern Haters are gonna hate regardless.
This is the only correct opinion! lol :P
Why no one likes sonic fans 101
Yeah classic sonic fan base are literally the most toxic out of all the gaming
They don’t know what they want and they always bash a good game especially since we been getting good content lately
Classic sonic literally paved the way for modern sonic may I remind everybody that before frontiers sonic good games has been 2d 🤦🏾♂️💯
Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES SEGA LIMIT
My thing is that they should be doing CD style music for classic sonic instead. Since CD had the best audio quality of the classics it makes sense to take notes from that. That's what mania did and it turned out to be one of the best soundtracks of all of gaming. Now the lego music are remix's of the superstars music it seems. they use different instruments. The only music I don't like is the boss music. Compare that to ruby delusions and you will see the issue
They should bring back the casual pop songs style Sonic CD and Sonic R for the modern incarnation of Classic Sonic. Classic Sonic should be treated like how Sega at their Saturn days tried to push Classic Sonic.
CD Sonic is pretty much the best way to go about classic Sonic when it comes to music, design and aesthetic and everyone knows it except maybe Sonic Team.
Talking as someone who's been a fan from the first game back in 1991, if they are going to keep the old design around they should actually give him back the edge and attitude he actually had in the 90s, not this poor man's Mickey Mouse knock off they're pushing nowadays who can't talk, even though he totally could. Also with the vibe I get from the original design nowadays I get the impression he would be home before 7pm, and tucked into bed by 8pm. While back in the 90s he looks like he'd be living after midnight, and rocking to the dawn.
True
That’s what I’m saying !
Let Classic speak again!
Facts
@@moreedcola6837 with Origins and how they removed Sonic's voice from CD, I can't help but get the impression Sega are trying to rewrite history, as if to suggest that Sonic NEVER spoke back in the 90s. So to tie in with the likes of Generations and Forces where rather the Sonic we saw in 1991 was the same hedgehog we saw in 1998, with Adventure 1. To now we don't know if he's from the past or another dimension, given how often they like to flip flop on it.
Easily one of the worst things they could have done, making it seem like they were two separate characters, along with the rest of the cast.
I don't like how people downplay how much classic shit we've been getting, saying "oh but Classic Sonic only had 2 games". Like we havent been getting constant nostalgia pandering all throughout the 2010s, starting with Sonic 4. I totally understand why some people are tired of Classic stuff
It's like some weird loophole saying they only got Mania & Superstars lmao, as if SEGA didn't spend over an entire decade trying to pander to Classic fans in Modern games at the expense of Modern fans
Because there’s a difference between nostalgia pandering and classic games.
They’re not synonymous.
I fully agree that they should fuck off with the former but, the latter I see no issue with.
But that’s just my opinion.
@@matsushizenp4i573 they aren't synonymous but they're very close. It's been so bad that even the Modern games couldn't escape having either the Classic aesthetics, or just having Classic Sonic shoehorned in it, with the exception of Frontiers (that if you don't count cyberspace). I'm just telling you all this so you understand where all the frustration comes from.
I think very little people would have a problem with said latter if it weren't for said former, like you mentioned
@@premydaremy I also don't like this aesthetic mix of the two eras in modern games. But are you saying classic fans should be thankful they got garbage like Sonic Lost World, Classic Sonic in Sonic Forces and mid Cyberspace in Frontiers? People are only considering Mania and Superstars because they are in fact the only games that capture the gameplay physics and level design of the Genesis games, when even Generations did not. And I hope that now that they've nailed the Classic Sonic formula without relying on the Mania team, they can also bring something like the Dreamcast era formula back so the two eras can move forward independently of each other!
@Danthelion. I can't really say you MUST be happy because there's more Classic stuff besides Superstars/Mania. I mean Modern fans aren't happy with EVERY single release either. Just moreso saying we can't ignore THAT Classic catering throughout the Modern games simply because not all of those games are good/great. Sonic 4 is just as much Classic catering as Sonic Mania, regardless of the quality difference.
Personally I think we can hit a sweet spot between both. The issue with classic was that he was shoehorned into modern games but never the other way around. They should have always stayed separate. They should just both have their own games made by different development teams. Satisfy both markets
i agree, but i can forgive generations because it was a 20th anniversary celebration game and it wouldn't feel complete (to me) if it was just modern sonic. as for forces...no
@@sparkz992 agreed. Generations was supposed to be a one time thing
@@ramadaboss5689Sonic Generations sold well. Thats what matters.
@@sparkz992but Sonic Forces sold well because of Sonic Mania. Some of you seem like kids that dont understand the concept of business. Classic Sonic continiously outsells new Modern games to the point that Sega is able to charge high prices for Classic rereleases.
@@spaceaustrailia5895 never said anything about business, I was giving out my personal opinion because forces classic sonic was ass
This is a dumb debate tbh. Classic Sonic is still Sonic at the end of the day so who cares?
Because you'd think we would've moved past classic Sonic at this point but I guess not
Why does it matter. If you don’t like the games. Then don’t buy ‘em.
I really don’t get why people feel the need for him to die.
If it’s do to the constant nostalgia bait of the 2010s then I somewhat understand your concern.
However if it’s just the design and gameplay style you have issue with then I don’t follow.
From my perspective.
Just because it’s a return to that style, it doesn’t mean there won’t be innovation of it.
I think the debate will end if Sonic Superstars reveals an awesome story twist or new concepts that suddenly raises the stakes of the simple story at the end. The charm of Sonic Advance starting from 2 is that the story moments get hype by the end. I think people want that more from Classic Sonic. Also for the Classic Sonic brand to not be restrictive and just go crazy if it wanted to. Because I think the majority of fans see Classic Sonic as the mandated side of Sonic.
@@heroicgangster9981Now that I can totally get behind! That’d be amazing!
Boom sonic is still sonic too
My take is this.
If you get rid of the Classic designs, then you're just getting rid of that; the designs! This might be hard on Classic purists, but that's honestly not that big a deal!
Yet if you get rid of the Modern designs, you're basically scrapping everything that comes with them. Pretty much everything that was introduced into the series from Sonic Adventure onwards. All of the stories, all of the characters, all of the ideas; just swept under the rug like they aren't important and that nobody cares about them. Which, let's face it is exactly what these Modern hating, Classic purists want, and what Sega are basically giving them with this "New Classic" series (which is an oxymoron!)
People like to say that their insistence on reusing Classic Sonic has nothing to do with his eye colour, but let's face facts here, that is a lie! It is literally all about the eye colour for them! They've basically decided that the older black eyed design represents everything that they love about this franchise and are just lumbering the bad stuff onto Modern Sonic.
It's hypocritical, petty, and kind of infuriating, but it honestly wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for the fact that Sega has a habit of listening to toxic negativity and drastically changing the Sonic series whether it benefits from it or not, and normally it doesn't! The only reason that we even got a Classic Sonic in the first place was because whiney fans were complaining about Sonic 4 and how it had "that green eyed imposter" in it (an actual name I've heard Modern haters use.)
I think they should let Modern Sonic take over again and make Classic-inspired 2D games like the Advance trilogy every now and again alongside the 3D games (like in the late 90s and early 00s), and maybe just offer the Classic designs as optional skins for the fans that prefer that look for both the 2D and 3D games, kind of like what RGG Studio did for the Monkey Ball cast in Super Monkey Ball Banana Mania.
This is all I want
Idc what others say, keepin Modern and classic sonic games producing side by side is a win for anyone. If someone got a problem just keep yoself on one side
My exact mindset,
it's a winwin for both us classic and modern fans
Exactly. Keep both, everyone wins. Such simple logic, and yet people are losing their minds that Classic Sonic gets a new game.
@@RisTheGreat29Facts. The Sonic fanbase really does complain about literally everything, especially when it’s something that isn’t even an issue. I mean, Modern fans already got Frontiers just last year! Yet you don’t hear fans of classic Sonic wanting Modern Sonic to die for replacing the original Sonic. Oh wait, they did…20 years ago. History’s just repeating itself, in which the fans of previous iterations of Sonic hate games that don’t appeal to their exact tastes, even though Sonic Superstars is clearly just a side game.
Personally, my first Sonic game was Generations so I’m about as unbiased as they come to this issue. I can understand hating nostalgia when it’s used the wrong way, but from what I’ve seen so far, Sonic Superstars is doing it the right way according to the demands of this same fanbase just five years ago when Mania came out and everyone’s main complaint is that it wasn’t original enough…And now that Sega’s giving us exactly what we asked for, fans are bitching about it like a bunch of spoiled brats!
Imagine working day in and day out for years to meet the demands of your fanbase only to get rejected by the same people who asked for the product you’re giving them?! Unbelievable…
Agreed. And I'm gonna say this now, all yall who are butthurt that superstars isn't advance 4, I hope sega never makes advance 4 just to spite you bitches
someone with common sense has appeared
I don't know about Classic Sonic dying but I'm definitely biased towards Modern Sonic. Unfortunately, I strongly believe Classic Sonic is far more respected by older fans/non-fans. For a while, the mainstream belief solidified by online celebrities like the Game Grumps was that Sonic in the 2000s sucked ass and only the classic games were good. I obviously don't believe this to be true as how you mentioned in the video, Sonic also had a lot of failures in the late 90s which are conveniently forgotten about to further push the belief that Modern Sonic is garbage. As for what I personally believe, I'd much rather have the series focus solely on Modern Sonic but I won't cry about it if they both co-exist, my only problem is lately they've been pushing the IP as a "cutesy" franchise and that goes against what Classic Sonic stood for in the 90s of being a cool edgy rebel. Sonic Superstars straight up looks like a game Nintendo would make if they owned the series lol
Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES
As a Classic Sonic fan, I feel like he should stay around, but I do agree about the lies - they are pretty ridiculous and I'm not about to defend them. However, there are lies which I've seen thrown around in order to to make Classic Sonic look redundant or just plain bad. You can't just address one side of the argument.
Lie #1: He has appeared in too many games and is purely nostalgia pandering.
He's appeared in only 4 games since 1998, that's nowhere close to being overused by any margin.
A lot of people often tend to pair the non-existent oversaturation of Classic Sonic with the "Green Hill fatigue". Now, I'm not going to pretend that didn't exist, but the constant use of Green Hill, Chemical Plant, and Sky Sanctuary-like stages has nothing to do with Classic Sonic himself, it was just SEGA and Sonic Team realising after Generations released that Classic Sonic fans still existed, but not knowing how to appeal to both sides properly. I'm not here to defend Green Hill being in basically every 2010s Sonic game, or Classic Sonic being shoe-horned into Sonic Forces. I can admit that it was nostalgia pandering, but that does not make Classic Sonic bad, just that SEGA made bad decisions. Just keep Classic Sonic out of Modern Sonic games and give him new zones in any new games, and then we can avoid all the drama. Well, unless people want to go out of their way to complain about something that has no negative impact on them whatsoever.
Lie #2: Classic Sonic is stunting the development of the series. He is not in the slightest.
People seem to be forgetting that Sonic Team are working on update 3 for Sonic Frontiers at the moment; the largest and most anticipated update to an experimental game that turned out to be a big success. No doubt that the next Modern Sonic game will have experimental elements as well. How does a Classic Sonic game not being a giant experiment mean that it's hurting the series? Sonic Superstars isn't even being made by Sonic Team. Classic Sonic fans play the original trilogy, CD, and Mania to this day because we like the familiarity. We want an enjoyable game just as much as the next Sonic fan, but the gameplay is only half of the appeal.
Lie #3: Just use the Modern Sonic characters, the Classic fans will lick it up if it plays like a Classic Sonic game.
That may be true for some people, but most certainly not all. The gameplay is only half of the Classic Sonic appeal, the rest is that it's NOT Modern Sonic.
Not to say that the Modern Sonic aesthetics, cast, or character designs are bad, but I just want to play a Classic Sonic game with the Classic aesthetics, cast, and character designs. I know that many people don't want to see the Classic designs anymore, or say that the Classic designs should be skins for the Modern cast, but I have to disagree. We don't want Modern Sonic with a Classic coat of paint, we want the character designs and visuals to compliment the gameplay, whether it be it 2D or 2.5D. Getting rid of those designs would make a lot of fans abandon the series, the fans who were already disappointed when Sonic Adventure changed everything and just want a new experience with those original characters and have been waiting for another since Mania.
This is coming from someone who grew up with primarily Modern Sonic (06-Colours) games. I have no nostalgia at all for the Classic games, but they clicked with me when I did play them, in a way that the Modern games never did. I don't know if I explained that particularly well or if I went off topic, I tend to ramble a bit.
Amazing rant and I agree with everything. But like I said with my comment this debate is so useless cause there not a single fuck we can do to actually decide this outcome. We ain't Sega nor Sonic Team and I wish this debate just shut up already lmao.
I hadn't seen your comment, but I'll look for it. And I guess you're right; the outcome is up to SEGA.
Entirely sad to see that this is the most logical comment under this entire video. God this fanbase fucking sucks and it’s extremely obtuse.
I agree with you 100%. I grew up with both Classic & Modern, as I got older I preferred Classic due to how well those games aged and how consistent they are with quality.
The entire issue with this stupid ass debate is Modern Sonic fan’s jealousy towards the Classic brand. That’s literally it, no matter what they tell you. Classic appears to be the “Good/Positive/Popular” Sonic compared to Modern in terms of games. It infuriates Modern fans that it’s viewed that way. Though if you look at the quality of each title: Classic Sonic games increase as time goes on. Modern Sonic games quality is inconsistent and just fluctuates throughout time. It’s too much experiment with the Modern brand which did more harm than good.
Again- There’s more faith, trust, anticipation regarding the Classic games towards Modern. Look how people views Mania & Forces. It’s the exact same with Superstars & Frontiers. People are more cynical towards the Modern titles while being confident with the Classic title.
No matter what you see online with Classic Sonic criticism, it’ll always be by a bias Modern fan. That’s why I don’t take any of these folks in the fanbase seriously. No critical thinking just pure biased. It’s very strange.
@@TaeInfinite while I'm not a classic fan and more grown up with modern I see no reason why classic should die. Classic is just as a mascot as modern is. While they are the same person they hold something different to one and another. Modern was always weird in 2D anyways so why make a classic game with him in it? Makes no sense.
@@Electrical010 It’s not just that. There have been 2D Modern games, decent ones at that. Though realistically, no one gives a shit about those games even if they think they do. SEGA clearly doesn’t. They didn’t even bother looking back at those games for inspiration other than Boosting.
The reason they use Classic Sonic because they rebranded Sonic as two entities. Sadly, they’re just now realizing you make on a Mainline (Modern) and Spin-Off (Classic). It’s a win for both audiences.
Modern fans kept crying for strictly 3D titles, they appear to be getting that.
Classic fans want more 2D games, they’re getting that.
Again my point still stands: It’s just Modern Sonic fans being selfish & biased towards the Classic brand. That’s all lol.
He's worn out his welcome a long time ago. It's not endering, its just frustrating to see the Modern design pushed to the side constantly.
I miss when Sonic was just Sonic, Generations for as great as it was may have been a doubled edged sword in the grand scheme of things looking back. Then again the entirety of the 2010s was pure nostalgia pandering for lots of series.
At least with Megaman it’s organized with Classic, X, Legends, Battle Network and Starforce. I still want a Megaman X9.
I mean, Modern Sonic appears far more commonly, so I can hardly see he’s being pushed aside
Just look at Frontiers, TSR, IDW, Sonic Prime, etc.
BS take
Sonic fans are morons for even having this debate its dumb and childish, classic and modern are two different interpretation of the same character. I may hate forces but I'm so glad they separated the two, "sonic is sonic" but people are allowed to like one version more than the other. Being one whole timeline does not work here sorry to say this but most of modern sonic games comes off as bad furry Shounen fanfiction with most importantly mediocre to bad inconsistent gameplay formulas. If sega started doing what Megaman did with its spinoffs this wouldn't have been an issue because it would have organized a series of spinoffs of the same character.
Not true. How has Modern Sonic been pushed to the side???
If the worst of Modern Sonic (forces) is selling more than the highest of classic I’m confused why we have him still
Edit: for god sakes people you can’t all be new age Sonic fans. We used to get Modern Sonic 2D games all the time. The Rush duology (or trilogy if you count colors), Advance trilogy and probably some niche game I’m not thinking of.
We do not need Classic for 2D platforming the boost formula was built on a 2D game
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By keeping, classic sonic around, it’s a good way to make more 2d games and tell some original stories
@@Sonicmid we had 2D Modern Sonic stories we don’t need Classic for that.
Not really, sonic 2 and 1 are the highest selling games in the franchise, but i think you're talking about sonic mania, which if you are then you're right
forces had classic
personally speaking, as someone who genuinely prefers Modern Sonic, I don’t think Classic Sonic should die.
Simply put, not counting Sonic Origins as that as a collection of ports and remakes, classic sonic, hasn’t gotten a game since 2017. I don’t think it’s the end of the world if he gets a new one five years later.
As long as they’re bringing something new to the table, I see nothing wrong with classic sonic having a game every once in a while. And Superstars, whether it will be good or not, is definitely introducing a lot of new ideas.
And whether we want to admit it, or not, there is most definitely an audience for Classic Sonic. So I don’t see any issue with that side of the fandom being appealed to. Especially since we’re still getting plenty of modern stuff:
IDW, Sonic Prime, Sonic Frontiers, animations, etc.
The factory, even the building this point means that they were plenty of people who like modern sonic and plenty of people who like classic sonic. So why wouldn’t say I want to make material to appeal the both sides?
Ya know I always hated how sega made classic sonic this cutesy whimsical character ever since generation (I’m guessing to make modern sonic look cooler and more experienced?) Whatever the case even classic sonic had an edge to him (That’s LITERALLY one of the things that made him stand out as a mascot compared to Mario in the 90’s. Case and point the opening to CD. I don’t mind classic Sonic sticking around so long as they focus equally on making modern and classic sonic, quality games…
…And give classic sonic his edge back!
Personally this is how I see it.
Both can co-exist as main line Sonic games. Heck, if SEGA REALLY wanted to, they could switch it up and make a 2D Modern Sonic game and a 3D Classic Sonic game cause at the end of the day these are the same mofo, just different designs that appeal to two sets of a fans
Sega has themselves to blame for the psychological saturation in the fanbase. If they didn’t try to force the “Classic” essence into every single game including 3D just so fans don’t throw a fit, maybe the design wouldn’t be as viewed upon that harsh.
While I do prefer the “Modern” style of Rush and Advanced for next in line 2D games, I don’t mind the little Sonic style itself as long as the games are good. Much like Mario Wonder with the new style and gimmicks, people wanted a shake up and is looking from just ONE TRAILER to be that new 2D evolution.
2D Sonic doesn’t need to fall back onto nostalgia for it to sale, just needs to be good.
i made a video on this but yeah i think classic need to go, or at least evolve into something else, change his design and be his own thing rather then the old sonic
Yeah maybe even get hyper sonic back from sonic and knuckles as an og sort of way to also work on something in the game as you play such as special stages with more unique revamps
@@carnivoreteacher8571Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES
Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES
The reason why Sonic CD soundtrack isn't as good is because you been listening to the wrong soundtrack. The US soundtrack is by far the best one even though many Sonic fanboys hate to admit it.
Disagree on that, minus a few US songs JP is far better imo.
I always felt that the us music was a bit more catchy and memorable than the Jp music. While Jp soundtrack sound more like classic sonic. the Us one to me sounded way more upbeat and
dramatic in comparison like the boss music for example, The us version just sounds absolutely terrifying.
Of course this is a controversy that was bound to happen lel. Classic Sonic feels like it is in its weirdest form yet.
Where Sonic Team DOES NOT need to overrely on it like this still... as Modern Sonic games can sell just as well (even in a weak form like with Forces lol), and has for years on end. But they keep it alive for... many potential reasons. Which I won't get into cuz hoo... lol.
Funny thing about your "3 lies" though is the 2000s as a whole validates your points there. Cause yeah the Classic Trilogy was great... but guess what? When it ended, that ENTIRE period between 3&K and Adventure is where those more experimental and not as good Classic games are. You could nitpick and straight say Classic Sonic had its own "Dark Era" if you really wanna go there.
As to where Modern Sonic technically stood on its own two feet longer. Despite how mixed its games could get. Really just think Classic Sonic is still alive and treated the way it is because of the stigma of how perfect it is that's been there for years now. And no one wants to change and look past that stigma for whatever reason. Keep telling folks, it isn't a good mindset for a long term series.
Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES
I feel like no one appreciates Classic Sonic simply because people started playing Sonic during the Adventure era or Modern era and that he gets some hate due to how he was treated in Sonic Generations and Forces
It's kinda like how people hate on the Adventure games because of 06. It's sad, really. Had the series been more consistent with its quality over the years, there would be less hate.
@@gamelordabddefinitely
@@gamelordabdYes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES
Let me know what you guys think about all of this!
Classic is a legend and the og
Sega shouldn't get rid of classic sonic. Rather, they should use him sparingly, giving both him and modern thier own 2d platformers.
I think they should have the market for all games
One year we get a New gen game
One year we get a classic
The next we get a boost game
Ofc ports and remasters along the way too
@@AngelDelight69 I thought Sega quit boost
modern sonic overstayed his welcome.
he has had more games in one decade than classic sonic did when he was just 'THE' sonic.
plus, the modern designs are just ugly. half the characters just look angry all the time. and most of the renders look lifeless. and do I need to bring up how they are just satirized versions of the adventure rendition? I'm not saying classic should be the main one. I'm saying they both need to go.
I only like the classic games, so of course I want more classic games. I feel like having more games that reach a larger amount of people is always a good thing.
In my opinion no for one, classic sonic is the original sonic he’s the design that started the franchise. Him being used as a way to make more 2d games is good in my opinion. It allows them to tell original stories, and also use the obscured characters that don’t appear modern games.
Also no matter what classic sonic and modern sonic are still sonic. Same personality, same goals, and everything just one is shorter than the other so there’s not really a problem.
Kinda funny how people always say "Sonic is Sonic!" But then all collectively get mad when classic Sonic is featured in anything. Not that I agree or disagree with any of the points made it's just something I've noticed.
>Use the obscure characters that don’t appear in Modern Games
Well in that case I’d love to see Honey the Cat in some fashion
Modern also has the same problem with not using Blaze, Silver and especially Cream outside of spin-offs
To me, Classic Sonic has the charm of being a mostly silent stoic mascot. While modern Sonic purposefully conveys himself as cool. Those are different incarnations of Sonic. And I agree that Classic Sonic can be used as a way to make more 2d games, I kinda hope they manage to do at least Sonic Advance level stories, stakes, and new concepts over time. I would accept other characters talking more, but Classic Sonic could be silent for that classic mascot value. I like how they made Classic Tails be the one talking in Generations.
@@brandonwilliams6119honey time will probably come she was in that 30th anniversary comic.
@@dreamsdeep1076 no. We should stay in 3D games.
you guys already got the triple A edgy story game y'all wanted, and when classic fans get a simple 2d platformer, classic sonic should die?, they literally said each will be developed separately after superstars release so y'all don't need to wait too much for a modern game and vice-versa , for gods sake, let classic sonic fans have their stuff and y'all can have urs and be happy with it, none has to die,if you don't like one of them you're not forced to buy it, i love both, but this debate is just because we're getting a classic game and not the advance or rush stuff y'all want, i hope you can understand and don't say one or other should die, please.
I think they should do more Modern games and make Classic Sonic a side thing so he wouldn't feel oversaturated. Making him appear so many times looks like he's a different character, when he's just younger Sonic.
Don't think Classic Sonic is being used here just for nostalgia since the game is entirely new, but as long as the final product is high-quality, he's fine I guess.
I took a sega survey back in 2021 giving feedback to their various "franchises" and it shocked me that there was seperate pages asking how I felt about the "sonic franchise" and the "classic sonic franchise". Idk if they are still using the silly logic now, but it should be noted that they really were trying to make it a separate thing back then! lol
Classic Sonic was neat to have in Generations, but that's as far as he should went. Cause after that, it fractured the fanbase even more with Modern Character this and Classic character that when before they were just that character.
Id prefer they both stay, but if one had to go, I think it would be modern. I see the modern design as cool for it's stime but it isn't timeless like the classic design and was kind of a misstep. At the end of the day though everyone has different opinions, and The classic Sonic Fanbase that prefers Classic Sonic is just as big as the people that like Modern Sonic.
Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG
I am not gonna let modern go if character like shadow and blaze are going to be go as well
To put it simply: no, but the nostalgia pandering for the classics should stop like REALLY stop
I think that Classic Sonic has been used way to much to the points were SEGA will add him to any new title cause they think nostalgia will make the game sell more. And I'm still asking myself why was he in Forces?
Not only that but the games will be more critically acclaimed
Yoo a lot of people are reacting to a video made by classic sonic should die I think it’s harsh but it’s sonic fandom we talking about I personally want classic sonic to stay.
(Talking about the video that said classic sonic has overstayed his welcome)
@@JJkingz0410-pm7xcUnleash has some of the most honest critiques I've seen about Sonic on Twitter, he's kind of brought a negative look to him with the way he responds to most people on there, i myself have no problem with him, i just think he needs to double down on making fun of others who enjoy stuff he doesn't, and be less "arrogant" with the way he responds to most people
The simple thing is when there’s a classic sonic game, don’t bother if u don’t like him
@@dreamsdeep1076 yup
Honestly I wouldn’t miss Classic Sonic if they ever stopped bringing him back or somehow shoehorn him into a modern game like with Forces, Classic peaked on his first throwback appearance in Generations and it definitely should’ve stayed as his game where he shares the spotlight with Modern. I still think Classic grinding in Superstars is a bit jarring because it was always a Modern thing, next thing you know they’ll invent some gimmick to make Classic Boost like Modern does.
About the blunders, Prem brings up a really good point on Classic in the mid 90s, there were so many throwaway meh games after S3&K that were on Game Gear that are often ignored because everyone pays too much attention to Modern’s blunders probably because 06 nearly killed the series and we can still feel the impact from it today but I digress, Classic only had like 3 games on the Saturn which are R, Jam (which is a compilation) and a 3D Blast Port with a different OST.
Exactly! It's like these Classic purists are saying "Oh yeah, Sega can totally put Modern stuff like rail grinding into a 2D game..... BUT NO MODERN CHARACTERS!!!!! THEY'D RUIN THE ENTIRE GAME WITH THEIR COLOURED EYES!!!!" It's ridiculous!
Personally I don’t mind classic sonic. Just keep him out of the modern games and we’re good. Here’s the way I like to see the whole classic sonic and modern sonic thing: classic sonic is for new fans who are just getting into sonic, presumably little kids, with it’s simple plots, while modern sonic is for people who grew up with the sonic games with more complex stories.
Semi Rare Prem L
Sonic fans dug themselves into this hole. There shouldn't even be a "classic" Sonic. There should just be Sonic. These games should just be called 2D Sonic whether they use the classic design or not. Is it that hard?
The whole "classic" name doesn't even make sense anymore either. The name feels like an add-on now instead of a title.
Agreed! The name "Classic" is just being used as a marketing term, basically meaning "Not Modern, so therefrom Good!"
Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES sega limit
These debates about classic and modern sonic are getting annoying. What prem said isn’t wrong but classic shouldn’t die classic could just be for the casuals and classic fans as long as the content is new (no green hill) I like classic but I also like modern so we should keep classic but no have him everywhere and I think that superstars could be the perfect start for that. Like a few modern games and every now and then we get a classic game
I think Superstars is mostly a response to all the casuals who said “I hate 3D Sonic. I like Mania tho, they should make a Mania 2.”
Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES
all this inclusion of classic sonic in recent titles holds back the potential and expansion of the modern world. since classic games in reality arent blowing modern sonic games out of the water in sales i dont see a reason why they have a need to shove classic sonic elements in games so frequently. its why im not really too hype for superstars, charging 60$ for a 3d classic sonic game after seeing how origins left out some things and made changes im not too fond of, superstars really couldve been a modern game. as a modern fan i feel like classic sonic has been getting too much attention in the past 10 years.
Thank you!!! I totally agree!
Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES
My opinion on all this is I’m good with Classic Sonic. Sure we may have done a ton of nostalgia pawning which killed Green Hill Zone, Chemical Plant, etc: but That’s literally also happened in Modern Sonic games. The only real big issue (For Me) is really having him in the Same Exact Time as Sonic since he has no reason to be there or being nearly as capable to Modern Sonic as he recently has been shown in Games Like Forces. We can still have fun exploring new places we’ve never been before without having to mess with the 2D Lovers. When The Classic Games have been Praised to the roof and there’s a pretty much universally agreed “No Bad Games” title for them. We can still have more to spice up the gameplay styles. Both are goated and can coexist, Im literally able to play this with my friends while Modern Sonic has basically ZERO ways for me to do this. Let Classic Cook.
Unsurprisingly, I've seen so many people miss the point when it comes to this modern sonic and classic sonic discussion. The main issue isn't classic sonic just simply existing in newer titles, it's obviously Segas flawed mentality when it comes to handling him.
To further explain what I mean, early 90s sonic is just an older design of the exact same character. He isn't a separate version of sonic, he didn't come from some alternate timeline, he doesn't and shouldn't represent a different take on the character. If you paid any amount of attention at all to older sonic art from that era, you'll notice that early 90's sonic started to slowly and naturally evolve into his adventure era appearance. Take the sonic jam and sonic r art illustrations for example, his limbs look a bit longer, his shade of blue looks darker, etc. Just like his 1998 appearance.
As we all know, in the 2010s Sega had decided to treat sonics early 90's appearance as a sonic from another dimension. Now, they obviously walked back on that not to long ago, but the fact that they made a brain dead decision like that in the first place, strengthens my point even further.
This whole split between sonics current design and his older look when it comes to gameplay, is just silly and nonsensical. 2d gameplay shouldn't only be limited to just sonics old genesis era years, and 3d gameplay doesn't need to be restricted to just his modern and adventure era titles. We've seen the modern sonic design used in 2d games, we don't need sonics early 90's self to be put in a box, to where he can only represent nostalgia and the gameplay from those older titles. Early 90's sonic also shouldn't be treated like some cutesy mascot character either, since that literally goes against what sonic should represent, a character that can't be put in a box and doesn't conform to the norm. Sega has literally warped what early 90's sonic represented back then, and so many fans have fallen for it. That era didn't represent safe in the box thinking. So, when I look at sonic super stars it just looks like a safe game that isn't even trying to take risks. That's not and never was what early 90's sonic, classic sonic, or whatever you prefer to call him, represented. That's the biggest lie ever told about classic sonic, and it came from Sega.
The modern design can and should be used for future 2d titles. The classic design can also be used as an unlockble skin in future 2d and 3d titles, there's nothing wrong with that as long as it's implemented well. Classic sonic doesn't need to be cutesy and safe, he should represent the cool edge that naoto oshima was going for in terms of sonics attitude, his toei look from the CD intro perfectly represents what early 90's sonic was trying to go for, not that corporate, soulless, and safe crap that we saw from his forces iteration. Mario, link, and crash bandicoot have had their early designs treated as unlockble skins in their games like crash 4, mario odyssey, and breath of the wild. Sonic should get the same exact treatment moving forward. Because at the end of the day, he wasn't supposed to fundamentally change as soon as he made his true transition into 3d. He never did, he just evolved along with the franchise into what it was always trying to be. His soul had remained in tact, along with the spirit of the franchise. Until both things got lost somewhere along the way.
The two designs shouldn't be split, they should come back together like before in the 90's. We technically all want the same thing right?
THANK YOU!!!! I think you've summed it up perfectly!
I'd like to add that there's also a bit of a classic bias from some Sonic fans out there. For example, there's that fan made game Sonic Utopia (which in fairness isn't really a game, more of a potential tech demo), which features a large open world to explore with gameplay that relies on momentum to build up speed. While I haven't played it myself, it does look fun, and the momentum based physics does show that you can make a game where Sonic can travel incredibly fast without relying on just pressing a button to blast off at full speed in an instant. Yet I swear, I remember seeing UA-cam videos of this game where people had left comments like "Yeah, this is awesome! So much better than those stupid 3D Modern games! See, Classic Sonic can be in 3D games too! 3D Sonic games should be like this! See, we don't need Modern Sonic! Sega should just get rid of him and make 3D games like this from now on!" I know that not all Classic fans are like this, but it is annoying because it's almost like they're saying Sonic's eye colour somehow has something to do with the quality of the gameplay. Which is ridiculous.
Since this topic has been coming up lately, I've pointed this out to a few fans, but they vehemently deny this. "It's got nothing to do with the design! It's about the gameplay! It's about the aesthetics! It's about the simpler stories!" So I say "Ok, let's have a game with all of that stuff, only with the Modern designs instead of the Classic ones" and their response is normally "Oh no no no! Only Classic Sonic can be in those types of games!" So, it IS all to do with the design?
Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES
@@bowmaj8666Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES
Wow you pointed out everything I've been saying for years classic Sonic had bad games but they don't ever want to admit that at all.
Even if someone considered every single Classic Sonic game to be bad, that's still fewer bad games than Modern Sonic has had lmao.
@@RisTheGreat29 And how exactly does Sonic's eye colour factor into that?
@@bowmaj8666Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG
@@fazelfarrokhi1998 That would be awesome we could have Shadow in a 2D Sonic game then
@@RisTheGreat29 no it's not
My issue isn't that classic needs to die and never is seen again, its that it should have never gotten to this point to begin with. They should have never split up different DESIGNS as completely different characters, no other ip does this. Imagine every time a new 2d mario game comes out, they just randomly switch to that really old, late 80s crusty fat mario design lol. When sonic advance hit, they used the current design, not because classic was bad or something, but because the series had moved on, and didn't need to do weird things like this.
Because simply put,Classic Sonic is better than Modern Sonic
Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES
Classic Sonic should stay but not appear in the Modern Sonic games so everyone is happy. End of discussion
CD Sonic is pretty much the best way to go about classic Sonic when it comes to music, character design and aesthetic and everyone seems to know it, except maybe Sonic Team who continue to push this overly cutesy "Oh, its baby Sonic" image. At this point Sonic team don't seem to remember how to handle Sonic's characterisation, be it modern OR classic.
"Classic" Sonic should not of existed past generations LOL
Yes we need classic to go bring back all modern characters in 2D games BLAZE OMEGA SHADOW ROUGE every single modern character should come back and ALSO give all classic characters A MODERN REDESIGN LIKE HONEY FANG I hate the 2D ONLY CLASSIC SEGA LIMIT AND CLASSIC CHARACTER CAN NOT BE IN MODERN GAMES sega limit