Calculating Square Root by Hand (Early Grades)

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  • Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
  • Watch this educational video from the Spirit of Math Curriculum, presented by Spirit of Math founder and CEO Kim Langen teaching methods of calculating square root by hand.
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  • @BubbaGooch1
    @BubbaGooch1 3 місяці тому +43

    I too learned and later forgot this method years ago. I was amused that the presenter used chalk, which broke, while working the problem. That really brought back the 60s tome.

    • @SpiritofMathSchools
      @SpiritofMathSchools  3 місяці тому +6

      You know the problem is hard when the chalk breaks.

    • @bowlineobama
      @bowlineobama 3 місяці тому +1

      This method is based on Binomial Expansion (a+b)squared method.

    • @SpiritofMathSchools
      @SpiritofMathSchools  2 місяці тому +1

      @@bowlineobama Care to expand upon your point? The more perspectives the better!

    • @halesbellss
      @halesbellss Місяць тому

      @@bowlineobamashe asked you to explain.

  • @johnbutler4631
    @johnbutler4631 3 місяці тому +15

    My dad showed me this method many years ago, and I've never met anybody else that knows this method.
    This is the first video that I've run across that explains it step by step.

    • @SpiritofMathSchools
      @SpiritofMathSchools  3 місяці тому +1

      If you watch any more of our videos, please let us know if your dad would approve!

    • @bowlineobama
      @bowlineobama 3 місяці тому

      This method is based on Binomial Expansion (a+b)squared method.

  • @fre0n1978
    @fre0n1978 2 місяці тому +3

    My high school biology teacher (this was 30 years ago and he was near retirement at the time) showed the class this process. I was awestruck, but couldn’t remember the process. I’ve been idly wondering how to do it ever since, and this is exactly it! Thank you so much!

    • @alittax
      @alittax 2 місяці тому +2

      It's so wonderful to read comments like these! People looking for a long time for something they remember (like a song, recipe, or this, or something else), and it emerges for them from the Internet!

    • @SpiritofMathSchools
      @SpiritofMathSchools  2 місяці тому +2

      Happy to help reel in those (almost) lost memories!

    • @SpiritofMathSchools
      @SpiritofMathSchools  2 місяці тому

      @@alittax One of the many reasons we love being able to share these videos online to people around the globe! Well said.

  • @ianboard544
    @ianboard544 3 місяці тому +38

    We learned this when I was in 6th grade. Years later, I used Newton's method: start with any reasonable guess, then iterate: new guess = 1/2( guess + number/guess). It converges quite rapidly.

    • @SusanaSoltner
      @SusanaSoltner 3 місяці тому +3

      Heron's formula

    • @ianboard544
      @ianboard544 3 місяці тому

      @@SusanaSoltner I didn't know that - thanks.

    • @3Cr15w311
      @3Cr15w311 3 місяці тому +2

      The advantage of the "divide and average method" is if you make a mistake, it will work out if you don't make more mistakes. With the way presented in the video (the way I first learned square root), any mistake will ruin the result from there on.

    • @impCaesarAug
      @impCaesarAug 3 місяці тому +1

      @@SusanaSoltner Heron's method. Heron's formula is the area of a triangle, in terms of its sides.

    • @SusanaSoltner
      @SusanaSoltner 3 місяці тому

      @@impCaesarAug Thank you for this distinction.

  • @HedelTorres
    @HedelTorres Рік тому +15

    Back when i was in grade six (in Canada), i went to Ecuador for the summer. I was bored as everyone was in school. So my mom enrolled me in school there for a couple of months. In that short period, my math skills jumped to a Canadian grade 8 level. I learned how to do square root by hand. When i got back to Canada, i went back to learning long division, and in grade eight, we learned to use calculators.

    • @SpiritofMathSchools
      @SpiritofMathSchools  3 місяці тому +2

      The lost art of doing mental math or calculating solutions to challenging problems by hand is one of the reasons our parents say they keep coming back!

  • @bowlineobama
    @bowlineobama 3 місяці тому +58

    I learned this method 50 years ago from my Chemistry teacher. I later found out that this method is based on Binomial Expansion (a+b)squared. Not many knew this long division method in school these days. Thanks to UA-cam, this method has been revealed. I love this method.

    • @Necrozene
      @Necrozene 3 місяці тому

      It was not taught generally in class, but my primary school maths teacher taught me!

    • @pbworld7858
      @pbworld7858 3 місяці тому +2

      @@Necrozene When I was in primary school, nobody even knew what a square root was.

    • @Necrozene
      @Necrozene 3 місяці тому

      @@pbworld7858 I was very lucky I had a few excellent teachers who fed my curiosity.

    • @Necrozene
      @Necrozene 3 місяці тому

      @@pbworld7858 I even had a teacher who taught me the formula for the Nth Fibonacci number with the phi in it. A friend was verifying that by hand in Chess club! And it worked!

    • @Necrozene
      @Necrozene 3 місяці тому

      But he never bought Cantor's diagonalisation!

  • @boeingpilot7002
    @boeingpilot7002 Рік тому +16

    This is how I remember doing it in high school -- many moons, ago -- thanks for the refresher!

    • @commoveo1
      @commoveo1 8 місяців тому

      Feel same. Been a bit and I feel as you, just a little reminder to do elementary problems! Want a nice square concrete pad and although few concrete workers remember and quiet likely never did by the fun of me when I mentioned hypotenuse they get a big laugh at there 10th grade drop out lol. He who laughs first laughs last right lol. Bless their hearts lol. I always like the 3,4 and 5 or even double the number helps. What I really love is running a say three foot diameter pipe through a floor system lol. Usually take my measurements home lay out on piece of cardboard then bring in to work and always fits so nice nothing even gets mentioned lol but that’s fine huh. I will give anyone who may be interested the Pipe fitters hand book is small and like anything the more you do it you get even noticed less but who wants noticed if it all works nicely. I was a Union Ironworker and modest. Again thank you for the refresher, very nice ❤️. Calculators are very handy lol.. Left 4 men to form up for a metal building and wanted the exterior sheets to run down the side of the concrete pad to eliminate water 💦 running inside the building. Many ways of laying out and having one nice square corner sure simplifies ✌🏼.
      Sincerely Grateful, HB

    • @bowlineobama
      @bowlineobama 3 місяці тому +1

      @@commoveo1 This method is based on Binomial Expansion (a+b)squared method.

  • @thecalculator80
    @thecalculator80 Місяць тому +1

    I got a PhD in physics 50 years ago, and this is the first time I have seen a handcalc. Using easier numbers, this would help a student understand what a square root is. That readies them for using their calculator knowledgeably. There is so much junk math on UA-cam that are just PEMDAS trick questions, not real math. Thanks for the real thing.

    • @SpiritofMathSchools
      @SpiritofMathSchools  29 днів тому

      We appreciate such a learned perspective! Our goal is to get kids to use their mental math muscles as much as possible instead of relying primarily on a calculator.

  • @robertstuart6645
    @robertstuart6645 Місяць тому +1

    Glad you presented this exercise. I remember learning the technique in junior high, however I feel I was starting to forget. Thanks much.

    • @SpiritofMathSchools
      @SpiritofMathSchools  29 днів тому

      We all need a little refresher from time to time. Glad we could help Robert!

  • @TakeAbackPak
    @TakeAbackPak 2 місяці тому +1

    I learned this almost 45 years ago. Thanks for refreshing my memory! Wonderful.

  • @RndomAhhKid
    @RndomAhhKid Місяць тому

    You're a top G miss Kimberley, this saved me in the grade eight cambridge checkpointnt test

  • @DamirKipkaev
    @DamirKipkaev 3 місяці тому +5

    Our math teacher showed us this method in extra classes. Everything was almost the same, except that she said that you can not only multiply by 2, but also add. For example, 48 * 2 = 96. But you can get 96 by adding 8x + x (88+8 = 96), which was usually intuitive, since we put two dots when we were guessing the number for multiplication.
    Exactly the same in the second case: 487 * 2 = 974, but you can get the same thing if you add 7 to 967. Thus, 967 + 7 = 974. It always works.
    That is, once again. When you have decided on a digit, multiplied, calculated the difference, and you need to multiply the top number by 2, we don’t have to do this. You can take the number that was the last one on your left and add it with the digit that you put the last (its own last digit).

    • @bowlineobama
      @bowlineobama 3 місяці тому

      This method is based on Binomial Expansion (a+b)squared method.

    • @DamirKipkaev
      @DamirKipkaev 2 місяці тому

      @@bowlineobama Thanks =)

  • @vanlepthien6768
    @vanlepthien6768 3 місяці тому +2

    I learned this from my 3rd grade (4th year) math teacher. He made math fun. Subsequent math teachers varied in quality, but I didn't have another who was that good until university.
    Even if you pick a number that is too high for the next step, the algorithm is self-correcting.

    • @pietergeerkens6324
      @pietergeerkens6324 3 місяці тому

      I too leaned this in Grade 3, at age 9, from my Dad. His explanation wasn't quite as tight as one now finds on the internet, but was sufficient for me to have some fun.

    • @bowlineobama
      @bowlineobama 3 місяці тому

      @@pietergeerkens6324 This method is based on Binomial Expansion (a+b)squared method.

  • @lesnyk255
    @lesnyk255 6 місяців тому +4

    I learned this method in 7th grade, back in 1962 or -63. It wasn't part of the curriculum, but I asked our teacher, Mrs Galloway, if there were such a manual method, and she showed me after class. I'd long since forgotten it when I stumbled across this video. The Babylonian method is another way - much simpler to flowchart, but involves ever more lengthy long divisions.

    • @johnchristian7788
      @johnchristian7788 3 місяці тому

      What was part of the curriculum? Square root using a log book or square root using a calculator? Did you use a calculator in class in 1962?

    • @lesnyk255
      @lesnyk255 3 місяці тому +1

      @@johnchristian7788 Consumer-grade electronic calculators wouldn't be invented for another ten years. We were probably shown where to look up tabulated values in a handbook. Use of log tables wasn't introduced until high school (grade 9-10). My dad showed me how to use a slide rule at some point, but I don't remember when. Geez, this was over sixty years ago - I don't remember when they taught what.

    • @johnchristian7788
      @johnchristian7788 3 місяці тому

      @@lesnyk255 It's funny to think that even before calculators became popular, they didn't teach square root by pen and paper. They should really include in the curriculum in all countries.
      I used to love using log tables.

    • @lesnyk255
      @lesnyk255 3 місяці тому

      @@johnchristian7788 Well, personally, I wouldn't go back to using log tables, slide rules, or manual typewriters except maybe at gunpoint. There are easier ways to get rough manual estimates of square roots if you've left your calculator or iPhone at home - polynomial approximation, for example, or the Babylonian method. This video was a bit of a nostalgia rush - 7th grade, Walpole NH JHS... long time ago....

    • @bowlineobama
      @bowlineobama 3 місяці тому

      This method is based on Binomial Expansion (a+b)squared method.

  • @douggale5962
    @douggale5962 Рік тому +10

    My schools never taught this, and I always wanted to know how to do it by hand.

    • @bowlineobama
      @bowlineobama 3 місяці тому +1

      This method is based on Binomial Expansion (a+b)squared method. It is very easy. I can show it to you in a few minutes. This teach makes longer than it is.

  • @ralphhenderson5276
    @ralphhenderson5276 Рік тому +4

    I went through five bad videos before I found yours. One guy even helpfully blocked the view of the whiteboard while he explained what was on it.
    It took about a minute to catch on watching you. Thank you!

    • @SpiritofMathSchools
      @SpiritofMathSchools  3 місяці тому

      We're thrilled you found this helpful! If comprehension happens quickly, it means the approach and teaching strategy is the right one.

    • @bowlineobama
      @bowlineobama 3 місяці тому

      This method is based on Binomial Expansion (a+b)squared method.

    • @bowlineobama
      @bowlineobama 3 місяці тому

      @@SpiritofMathSchools This method is based on Binomial Expansion (a+b)squared method.

  • @Muck-qy2oo
    @Muck-qy2oo 2 роки тому +67

    It would be good if you would explain where this method is comming from. The binomial theorem. One can also use other algorithms as herons method.

    • @Jimothy-723
      @Jimothy-723 Рік тому +9

      technicaly, the source of this math is Euclid.

    • @tomvitale3555
      @tomvitale3555 7 місяців тому +6

      I agree. I'd love to see the proof behind this method.

    • @Muck-qy2oo
      @Muck-qy2oo 5 місяців тому

      @@tomvitale3555 a²+2ab+b²

    • @robertveith6383
      @robertveith6383 4 місяці тому +2

      * coming

    • @jwm6314
      @jwm6314 3 місяці тому +5

      Title says "early grades." Clearly you are on the wrong video.

  • @johnedwards4394
    @johnedwards4394 Місяць тому +1

    I love these forgotten arcane solutions.

    • @SpiritofMathSchools
      @SpiritofMathSchools  Місяць тому

      Glad we could make your day John. Though we wouldn't categorize this type of solution as a secret!

  • @gdurandeau1143
    @gdurandeau1143 Рік тому +4

    I appreciate your great and simple explanation.

  • @davidgrisez
    @davidgrisez 3 місяці тому +2

    I am now 73 years old. In my young years I was able to extract a square root using this method.

    • @jamesharmon4994
      @jamesharmon4994 3 місяці тому

      I was also taught this method 60ish years ago. I had forgotten it and am SO glad for this video!

    • @SpiritofMathSchools
      @SpiritofMathSchools  3 місяці тому +1

      Happy to help you relive the glory days. Now, it's time to pass this knowledge on to the next generation of students.

    • @bowlineobama
      @bowlineobama 3 місяці тому

      This method is based on Binomial Expansion (a+b)squared method.

    • @martyknight
      @martyknight 2 місяці тому

      You and I are of the same vintage. I learned this method as a 7th grader, long before digital calculators were invented.

    • @SpiritofMathSchools
      @SpiritofMathSchools  2 місяці тому

      @@martyknight Great minds age like fine wine

  • @smaug9833
    @smaug9833 3 місяці тому +1

    My Dad taught me this method when I was in primary school. Remember it to this day, it has been 16 years.

  • @cipherxen2
    @cipherxen2 2 місяці тому +1

    Instead of doubling you can add the left hand side number e.g. instead of calculating 2*48 we can just add 88+8=96 and at next step 967+7=974 etc

  • @midnighttokyo4894
    @midnighttokyo4894 2 роки тому +3

    Watched so many videos but this is the only one that helped me with this, thanks so much!

  • @richardhole8429
    @richardhole8429 2 місяці тому

    I have learned this method, for amusement, some number of times without ever having to memorize it. Calculators are king now. Thanks

    • @SpiritofMathSchools
      @SpiritofMathSchools  2 місяці тому +1

      An over-reliance on calculators makes your math muscles weak. We always encourage our students to learn the core concepts and do the arithmetic mentally or by hand whenever possible

    • @richardhole8429
      @richardhole8429 2 місяці тому

      ​@@SpiritofMathSchools I tend to agree. Teachers can choose values that can be computed in the head or simple multiplication and long division on paper. Real world math rarely has those convenient numbers. Calculators, I would argue do not make one's math weak as doing the calculations is only the lowest skill on the math "tree." Knowing how to set up the problem is where the math skills shine.
      I suspect that those who do real world math will rarely use hand calculations, and they will quickly notice when their calculator have given faulty inputs.
      It is important that students learn the basic arithmetical calculation techniques and practice them in the classroom.

  • @briansykes2806
    @briansykes2806 25 днів тому +1

    I learned this as part of basic maths at primary age, along with fractions, decimals, etc. I think shortly afterwards I learned how to use a slide rule.

    • @SpiritofMathSchools
      @SpiritofMathSchools  23 дні тому

      Ah, yes, the slide rule! The ancient precursor to the modern-day calculator.

  • @ScottESchmidt
    @ScottESchmidt 2 місяці тому +1

    Thank you for reminding me why I forgot how to do this.

  • @Reignspike
    @Reignspike 3 місяці тому

    I was never taught how to calculate square roots. When I was in grade school, I tried a few different ways on my own, and they ended up being very much trial and error. This is a more refined approach that improves on what I figured out, but I see that it still involves some. Thanks for showing it!

    • @bowlineobama
      @bowlineobama 3 місяці тому

      This method is based on Binomial Expansion (a+b)squared method. It is very easy. i can show you in a few minutes. This teacher makes it look longer than it really is.

  • @antoniopango1841
    @antoniopango1841 7 місяців тому +2

    Superb! I took sometime shifting through many video clips to find out yours with simple explanation how to calculate the square root.

    • @SpiritofMathSchools
      @SpiritofMathSchools  7 місяців тому

      We're so glad to hear that! Thanks for sharing 🙌

    • @bowlineobama
      @bowlineobama 3 місяці тому

      This method is based on Binomial Expansion (a+b)squared method.

    • @montyhall-vs3ul
      @montyhall-vs3ul 2 місяці тому

      @@bowlineobama Yuh, we know that
      But you said it about a thousand times anyway

  • @frankyboy1131
    @frankyboy1131 Місяць тому +1

    It's interesting to have a procedure that leads straight to the result without corrections, but I ask myself if in some cases, a trial-and-error approximation by nesting with a good estimation wouldn't work faster ... ?!

    • @SpiritofMathSchools
      @SpiritofMathSchools  29 днів тому

      It's an interesting thought. We tend to focus on accuracy and understanding over pure speed.

  • @hotironaircraftshop
    @hotironaircraftshop 3 місяці тому +2

    The first rule of optimization is to identify the operations that take the most total time, and work on making those faster. If this is an infrequently used procedure, i.e. it won't represent a significant portion of a student's life, then why not teach the conceptually simpler approach of progressively refining an initial guess using a binary search?

    • @bowlineobama
      @bowlineobama 3 місяці тому

      This method is based on Binomial Expansion (a+b)squared method.

  • @geralynpinto5971
    @geralynpinto5971 3 місяці тому +2

    I really appreciate your clear and methodical procedure, and very pleasant ways.

    • @SpiritofMathSchools
      @SpiritofMathSchools  3 місяці тому

      And we really appreciate the positive feedback! Perhaps you could check out some of our other videos and let us know if there's any other topics you'd like to see in the future?

    • @bowlineobama
      @bowlineobama 3 місяці тому

      This method is based on Binomial Expansion (a+b)squared method.

  • @Xiuhtec
    @Xiuhtec 2 місяці тому

    Never learned this when I was in school in the 80s and 90s, likely by then they already just assumed everyone had calculators. I appreciate the method, it's very interesting! (Whenever I've wanted to do this without a calculator I've just basically made educated guesses and worked my way to something close, I have squares memorized to about 25 which helps.)

  • @paulgithens635
    @paulgithens635 3 місяці тому +7

    Eventually after many math classes the love of learning was beaten out of me.

    • @toma5153
      @toma5153 2 місяці тому +4

      Same. Never any explanation or real world examples. Just dreary rote practice out of the textbook.

    • @SpiritofMathSchools
      @SpiritofMathSchools  2 місяці тому +2

      We're sorry to hear that! We find the best way to learn is in a collaborative, group setting

  • @korelly
    @korelly Місяць тому

    There exist also the formula of Heron d'Alexandrie. I am trying to find the cubic root algorithm. Many presentators show it in a complicated unclear way.

  • @JonesFamilyRanch
    @JonesFamilyRanch 3 місяці тому +1

    SQRT2500=50, 2376.592

  • @coaster1235
    @coaster1235 2 місяці тому

    it’s neat to see a long division style algorithm for the square root!
    what makes long division not too bad is that the subcomputations for each digit (guessing the closest multiple below a given number) all involve numbers around the same magnitude, whereas here it seems getting another digit involves a subcomputation with numbers around a magnitude larger than those on the previous step.
    i wonder if there’s another long division like algorithm where the subcomputations don’t inevitably grow in magnitude? i also wonder if doing this in base 2 would feel simpler?

  • @finjay21fj
    @finjay21fj 8 місяців тому +3

    As always, when teaching, start simple then use a complex

  • @johnbo964
    @johnbo964 2 місяці тому

    I was taught that in 8th grade in 1970. I'm glad to review that.

  • @JubeiKibagamiFez
    @JubeiKibagamiFez 2 місяці тому

    How does this work for a cubed root or root of the 4th or etc? This is what breaks my brain with root calculations.

  • @jabelltulsa
    @jabelltulsa 3 місяці тому +1

    Very cool video, and you explained it well. It would definitely take practice and would need math-muscle memory.

    • @SpiritofMathSchools
      @SpiritofMathSchools  3 місяці тому

      People underestimate muscle memory, especially when it comes to mathematics! That's part of our approach with our students that we notice makes such a difference.

    • @bowlineobama
      @bowlineobama 3 місяці тому

      This method is based on Binomial Expansion (a+b)squared method. It is very easy. I can show you in a few minutes.

  • @DLV42
    @DLV42 10 місяців тому

    Your way of manually doing square roots is the way my 8th math teacher Mrs Wilker taught us how to do it . I will study this problem and do more problems like it. Lot of WHACK out ways of finding the square roots . They work, but very CONFUSING You is worth your weight in gold raised to 20^20 power . (HUNDRED QUINTILLION) Thank you.

    • @bowlineobama
      @bowlineobama 3 місяці тому

      This method is based on Binomial Expansion (a+b)squared method.

  • @guessundheit6494
    @guessundheit6494 2 місяці тому

    That is flipping cool, I've never seen that before. Usually I would start with 23.76... x 100, because 10^2=100, and the approximate square root of 24 is manageable in your head (~4.8), thus 4.8x10=48. Then I go halfways on each digit (starting 48.5) to minimize the number of brute force cases to test.

    • @SpiritofMathSchools
      @SpiritofMathSchools  Місяць тому

      Love that we could show you a different way of doing things. That's the beautiful thing about mathematics -- so many ways to reach a solution!

    • @guessundheit6494
      @guessundheit6494 Місяць тому +1

      @@SpiritofMathSchools I'm of the age where calculators were in school bags but slide rules were at home. You think differently when you learn or have to make good estimations, and not depend on technology. Kids should still learn first on slide rules.

    • @SpiritofMathSchools
      @SpiritofMathSchools  Місяць тому

      @@guessundheit6494 100%. There's definitely a difference in their thinking when they have to do the work! They become conditioned not to look for shortcuts in mathematics and really, in life.

  • @peep39
    @peep39 2 місяці тому

    Thanks Stevie Nicks

  • @emorblx_0474
    @emorblx_0474 Місяць тому +1

    Step one near from 23 is 7×3=21? Sorry if i'm wrong

    • @senatorstevenarmstrong9821
      @senatorstevenarmstrong9821 11 днів тому

      It was a number times itself that would get closest, so 4x4 would be the closest you could get.

  • @markdstump
    @markdstump 2 місяці тому

    I haven’t started the video yet and I am interested to see it, but I always like to try things before I watch the video. I mean when it comes to math. So in a few seconds, I came up with an estimate that the answer is just shy of 50, since the number is shy of 2500 and then in under three minutes, I came up with a slightly better approximation of 48.77, which I got from interpolation between 48^2 and 49^2 (having already rounded to 2377^1/2, and rounding 103 to 100…and rounding 2401 to 2400.

  • @jethrobo3581
    @jethrobo3581 3 місяці тому

    Wow! I never knew that calculating a square root could be so fun!

    • @bowlineobama
      @bowlineobama 3 місяці тому

      Yes, it is fun. I learned it a long time ago. This method is based on Binomial Expansion (a+b)squared method.

  • @raymondhagerty1769
    @raymondhagerty1769 2 місяці тому +2

    The square root of 69 is ATE SOMETHING 😂

  • @DeckerCreek
    @DeckerCreek 3 місяці тому

    I learned this method sometime in middle school I believe. That would be in the 1960s. Thanks for the refresher

    • @SpiritofMathSchools
      @SpiritofMathSchools  3 місяці тому

      Which other videos brought you back to the 60s?

    • @bowlineobama
      @bowlineobama 3 місяці тому

      This method is based on Binomial Expansion (a+b)squared method.

  • @zgh46840
    @zgh46840 3 місяці тому +1

    I learned this method in school. Going forward I’m using a calculator.

  • @crisismanagement
    @crisismanagement 3 місяці тому

    Would a slide rule come in handy for the middle calculations? 😊

  • @ThePowerfulOne07
    @ThePowerfulOne07 3 місяці тому +1

    Was never taught this in school. Must have been a “lost art” in my state 😅

    • @SpiritofMathSchools
      @SpiritofMathSchools  3 місяці тому +1

      Good thing we offer this online!

    • @bowlineobama
      @bowlineobama 3 місяці тому

      This method is based on Binomial Expansion (a+b)squared method.

  • @rickyardo2944
    @rickyardo2944 2 місяці тому

    did I missed something? the last digit: 5 shouldn't that be a 4?

  • @robertsullivan2396
    @robertsullivan2396 2 місяці тому

    I was taught this in the 50s and still stretch my brain using this method

    • @montyhall-vs3ul
      @montyhall-vs3ul 2 місяці тому

      try stretching your brain doing the method for cube roots
      No one taught this in grades 1 thru 12. But I got interested on my own
      When the stress closes in, I often find myself evolving the cube root of a number
      looks like you are about 5 to 10 years older than I

  • @bpark10001
    @bpark10001 2 місяці тому

    You ought to see what happens if you apply this on binary numbers! You start as usual, grouping the numbers, etc. On the first digit, it is one for the first pair of non-zero digits (there are only 00, 01, 10, 11 cases). To generate the next test number to subtract, you take the answer you have so far, & append to the right of it 0 1. Why? Appending the 0 to the right doubles the number. Appending the 1 is the test digit. Multiplying by 1 is trivial case, just copy the number! If it "fits", write "1" for the next digit of the answer. If not, write "0" & discard the subtract.
    (You do not cover the case where even "1" is too large. In that case you need to write "0" in the answer & discard the result of the subtract, leaving the partial remainder intact. Then you being the next 2 digits down alongside the existing remainder & proceed from there.)

  • @jeffdege4786
    @jeffdege4786 3 місяці тому +2

    I learned this as a kid, without explanation. I later proved to myself why it worked.
    But truth is, I never use it. Newton's method converges faster.

    • @bowlineobama
      @bowlineobama 3 місяці тому

      Better use Binomial Expansion Method (BEM). No need for iterations. BEM gives it to you directly in the long run, when you have very large numbers.

    • @Vega1447
      @Vega1447 Місяць тому

      ​@@bowlineobamaWhy do you think that the Binomial Expansion Method is better than NM?

  • @cipherxen2
    @cipherxen2 2 місяці тому +2

    We teach this method in India at 7th grade

  • @vpdisco
    @vpdisco Місяць тому

    This is a video you can take your time.

  • @alllevelsmath9974
    @alllevelsmath9974 2 роки тому +2

    thank you! well explained!

    • @bowlineobama
      @bowlineobama 3 місяці тому

      This method is based on Binomial Expansion (a+b)squared method.

  • @michaelspinks9822
    @michaelspinks9822 3 місяці тому +3

    Looks like a neat method, but frankly you lost me and I have a strong background in mathematics. May I suggest you redo this video? Writing out a script with queue cards may help. Citing a published source for this trick would be great. Other commentators suggest it is a reorganized Binomial expansion....I tend to agree, though more background would be nice .

  • @SVJIRLI
    @SVJIRLI Рік тому +2

    Thank you so much Madam ...

    • @bowlineobama
      @bowlineobama 3 місяці тому

      This method is based on Binomial Expansion (a+b)squared method.

  • @jeffw1267
    @jeffw1267 3 місяці тому +1

    It's obvious that the square root lies between 48 and 49, because 48^2 is 2304 and 49^2 is 2401. I can use a linear approximation to determine additional digits. 2376.6 - 2304 is 72.6, and the difference between 48^2 and 49^2 is 97, so 72.6/97 is my linear approximation, which gives me the next digit of 7. So far I have 48.7, and I can use linear approximations to double the number of significant digits with each iteration.
    But everyone knows this.

    • @bowlineobama
      @bowlineobama 3 місяці тому

      This method is based on Binomial Expansion (a+b)squared method. This method is much better in the long run.

  • @stevencarr4002
    @stevencarr4002 3 місяці тому +1

    I got 48.75 in about 20 seconds.
    Divide 2376.592 by an approximate square root ie 50.
    That gets you 47.53184.
    Average 47.5 and 50 and you get 48.75
    Trial and error can get you 3 significant figures very quickly by hand.

    • @archimedesmaid3602
      @archimedesmaid3602 3 місяці тому

      The point here was to do this by pen/paper only

    • @bowlineobama
      @bowlineobama 3 місяці тому +1

      This method is based on Binomial Expansion (a+b)squared method. It is better than guessing.

  • @Vega1447
    @Vega1447 3 місяці тому +1

    Just use Newton's method x=(x+a/x)/2 where a is the number whose sq root is to be found and x is the current approximation to the sq root. And iterate.

    • @bowlineobama
      @bowlineobama 3 місяці тому

      Better use Binomial Expansion Method (BEM). No need for iterations. BEM gives it to you directly in the long run, when you have very large numbers.

    • @Vega1447
      @Vega1447 3 місяці тому +1

      @@bowlineobama Easy to find a starting approximation to the sq root. Then Newton's method converges quadratically.

  • @subibrothersbrewing6598
    @subibrothersbrewing6598 2 місяці тому

    brings back memories from grade school

  • @VannyPinkLopez
    @VannyPinkLopez 9 місяців тому

    Amazing. Thank you, teacher!

    • @bowlineobama
      @bowlineobama 3 місяці тому

      This method is based on Binomial Expansion (a+b)squared method.

  • @shelonnikgrumantov5061
    @shelonnikgrumantov5061 2 місяці тому

    What I don’t get is that 9х8 is 72, which is less than 76, obviously, why then you use 8?

  • @Hydelsius
    @Hydelsius 2 місяці тому

    I learned this in math class in high school. It was such a waste of time for all of us as for myself I've never had to use it in my life. Our teacher at the time argued that we wouldn't be walking around with calculators in our pocket, not realizing that smartphones would come out the year after. I did however learn how to play chess and that class.

    • @SpiritofMathSchools
      @SpiritofMathSchools  2 місяці тому

      We'd counterargue that learning the process behind the math is never a waste of time. Math is in our daily lives, even if it isn't always in the form of square roots. Calculators are nice to have, but relying too heavily on them weakens our math muscles.

  • @VincentLauria6
    @VincentLauria6 3 місяці тому

    I learned how to calculate square roots nearly 50 years ago. I’m certain they haven’t taught this for probably 30 years

  • @JubeiKibagamiFez
    @JubeiKibagamiFez 2 місяці тому

    2:10 Also, how would we do this with the (√2)??

    • @R4NBOOKA
      @R4NBOOKA 21 день тому +1

      Do it with 2.0000 and add as many zeros as you need

    • @JubeiKibagamiFez
      @JubeiKibagamiFez 21 день тому

      @@R4NBOOKA Oh, okay.

  • @someonespadre
    @someonespadre 4 місяці тому

    I do this on my antique calculator by subtracting successive odd numbers. That could really lengthy on paper, though.

    • @bowlineobama
      @bowlineobama 3 місяці тому

      This method is based on Binomial Expansion (a+b)squared method.

  • @JubeiKibagamiFez
    @JubeiKibagamiFez 2 місяці тому

    2:10 Really? I was really hoping this was gonna be the universal equation that solves any square root, or cubed root, or etc. I've never understood roots because there is no reverse calculation for it like division is for multiplication.
    I also watched a video a few days ago where I was introduced to n⁰=1 and 0⁰=1. Math is suppose to be about logic, but I feel the more advanced maths are just number manipulation to get a desired answer.... Basically arbitrary like language and to me, arbitration is not based on logic.

  • @RSLT
    @RSLT 3 місяці тому

    GREAT VIDEO! Liked and subscribed ❤

  • @holyshit922
    @holyshit922 4 місяці тому

    Question for viewers
    Can you derive such method for cube roots ?
    If you really understand why this method works
    you will be able to derive method for cube root yourself
    I was taught this method in high school once we were solving quadratic equation
    (to determine if discriminant is perfect square or to approximate roots)
    and derived method for cube root myself

    • @johnchristian7788
      @johnchristian7788 3 місяці тому

      What country did you go to school that they just told you to find the method yourself? I'm suspecting that instead of multiplying by 2 we should multiply by 3 and use cubes instead of squares in the same method. Not sure if I should group by 3 digits 🤔

    • @holyshit922
      @holyshit922 3 місяці тому

      @@johnchristian7788 In Poland
      I derived method for cube root for myself
      and it was not homework
      As soon as I understood why method for square root works I was able to derive method for cube root
      Yes you group 3 digits
      Yes you multiply by three but square of actual approximation not just actual approximation
      Instead of appending last digit of next approximation you append square of last digit of next approximation
      To number created in this way you add triple product of current approximation and last digit of next approximation shifted one position to the left
      (10a+b)^3 = 1000a^3+300a^2b+30ab^2+b^3
      (10a+b)^3 - 1000a^3 = 300a^2b+30ab^2+b^3
      (10a+b)^3 - 1000a^3 = (300a^2 + 30ab + b^2)b
      (10a+b)^3 - 1000a^3 = ((300a^2 + b^2) + 30ab)b

    • @archimedesmaid3602
      @archimedesmaid3602 3 місяці тому

      Crystal Clear Maths has a vid on utube where he examines cube roots by the LD method
      But he concludes that it is not practical beyond a few digits. This is not true. I have demonstrated that with pen/paper I can find the CR of any number to 25 digit accuracy on one side of one sheet. No calculators involved, no separate worksheets, no erasing, no savant ability, just plain old addition subtraction, multiplication.

    • @bowlineobama
      @bowlineobama 3 місяці тому

      This method is based on Binomial Expansion (a+b)squared method. For Cube Roots, it is (a+b)cubed. It is easy.

  • @SkeeterHawkins
    @SkeeterHawkins 2 місяці тому +1

    successive approximations might be easier.

  • @robertwatson818
    @robertwatson818 2 місяці тому

    We did square root problems my senior year but nothing like this!!!

  • @mjs28s
    @mjs28s 3 місяці тому

    I am pretty ticked off that I was never shown this in any year of schooling.
    Yeah it might have been rough at a young age, but the mental workout it would be if all kids had to learn this stuff. People would be way better thinkers as grown up as well as following rules for things and how to solve problems, in life not just math as the problem solving skills are applicable everywhere.

    • @SpiritofMathSchools
      @SpiritofMathSchools  3 місяці тому

      Is there anything else you wish you saw earlier? We can help share another video for you.

  • @gangleweed
    @gangleweed 3 місяці тому

    I do root calculations a different way ........try doing the 6 root od 41........and I'm 85.

  • @patrickgregory2826
    @patrickgregory2826 3 місяці тому

    Sqaure root of 20 is 5?

  • @alittax
    @alittax 2 місяці тому

    Can you please provide a proof for why this works?

    • @SpiritofMathSchools
      @SpiritofMathSchools  2 місяці тому

      The proof is in the video. We suggest trying it out in your own life and seeing how you it works for you

  • @Onoelo23gf
    @Onoelo23gf 3 місяці тому

    No need to multiply the upper no by 2. Just add the upper no to the divisor, i.e., 4+4=8. Next time, add 8 to 88 and get 96. Either way.

  • @krwada
    @krwada 8 місяців тому

    This is how I learned it many years ago when I was in 8th grade

  • @raymondgordon-c2n
    @raymondgordon-c2n 3 місяці тому

    learned this in grade school 1959

    • @SpiritofMathSchools
      @SpiritofMathSchools  3 місяці тому

      Unfortunately, children aren't taught this approach in grade school today and they should be!

  • @rchas1023
    @rchas1023 3 місяці тому

    Step 1: Convert to binary. This avoids any need to guess.
    Step 2: Apply the algorithm for binary numbers. Very fast.
    Step 3: ( Optional ) Convert to base ten.

  • @trien30
    @trien30 3 місяці тому

    I learned this from a high school classmate but I didn't get what he did. He wrote on paper so quickly. I didn't have time in class. I think if you're in an east or as Southeast Asian country or somewhere from South America they might have taught this. Asian countries taught tough stuff forvyoung kids that's not taught in the USA or Canada.

  • @f1reguy587
    @f1reguy587 2 місяці тому

    Why wouldnt you complete the equation? Youve done the mathematics equivalent of tearing the last few pages to a book of literature out of the book.

  • @KungFuPadawan
    @KungFuPadawan 3 місяці тому

    Cool ...

    • @bowlineobama
      @bowlineobama 3 місяці тому +1

      This method is based on Binomial Expansion (a+b)squared method.

  • @markgraham2312
    @markgraham2312 3 місяці тому

    Good job!

    • @SpiritofMathSchools
      @SpiritofMathSchools  3 місяці тому

      Have you seen our All About Circles video? ua-cam.com/video/3bUdPSsWoE4/v-deo.htmlsi=yEa2P_KDJrzMDBs9

    • @markgraham2312
      @markgraham2312 3 місяці тому

      @@SpiritofMathSchools Not yet.

    • @SpiritofMathSchools
      @SpiritofMathSchools  3 місяці тому

      @@markgraham2312 We've got a bunch of additional curriculum videos that you might be interested in!

  • @Lemonsieur-m4m
    @Lemonsieur-m4m 3 місяці тому

    Very nice indeed. Maybe a smaller number would have made it clearer. But hey.

    • @bowlineobama
      @bowlineobama 3 місяці тому

      This method is based on Binomial Expansion (a+b)squared method. It is very easy. I can show it to you in a few minutes.

  • @c.m.p2943
    @c.m.p2943 3 місяці тому

    I learned this method long long time ago when there were no electronic calculators ,am now 70. y/o ,but instead of multipying by 2 we multiply by 20.Now a day they don't do this method any more.

    • @archimedesmaid3602
      @archimedesmaid3602 3 місяці тому

      Yes. I have always simply multiplied the currently completed root by 20, (20a). then estimate how many times that divided into the current remainder .
      That is your tentative next digit (b). Add the b to the 20a figure and multiply by b.
      (20a + b)b
      Subtract from current remainder, bring down the next group of two, for your next current remainder
      This simple method can be remembered forever, because you know why you are doing what you are doing
      It is never taught on utube, because it doesn't appear as sexy. But in our father's time, my method was used, because I eventually saw it in a very old encyclopedia

  • @silver6054
    @silver6054 3 місяці тому

    By "as close as possible" I assume it is, as you say in the first case, as close to but less than.
    And the amazing statement at the end about square roots never repeat. Well, some certainly do, e.g. a square of a rational, such as 2.25, repeats with infinite 0s. So the divisor changing doesn't guarantee non-termination

  • @Tabu11211
    @Tabu11211 6 місяців тому

    They didn't teach this in school where I was. :(

  • @aa_ha_hahahaha
    @aa_ha_hahahaha 3 місяці тому

  • @avinashdesai0206
    @avinashdesai0206 Місяць тому

    You know if that guy from that pie movie only new this

  • @AnnaScott-p1l
    @AnnaScott-p1l 3 місяці тому

    wheres the decimal point end up?

    • @cbruata5198
      @cbruata5198 3 місяці тому

      The decimal will never end since the square root of non perfect square is non terminating as well as non repeating. In otherwords they are irrational numbers.

    • @Matlockization
      @Matlockization 3 місяці тому

      It ends up between 8 on the left & 7 on the right -> 48.75

    • @cbruata5198
      @cbruata5198 3 місяці тому

      @@Matlockization it is simply a round off or we can say approximation

    • @Matlockization
      @Matlockization 3 місяці тому

      @@cbruata5198 Well, it depends on when you multiply the answer by itself how close you get to the original number. In this case, you can round the answer off to two decimal places, but as it stands the answer is not an approximation.

  • @telescope497
    @telescope497 3 місяці тому

    My head exploded....

    • @SpiritofMathSchools
      @SpiritofMathSchools  3 місяці тому

      If there's anything we can do to help to put it back together, please let us know🤯

  • @VincentLauria6
    @VincentLauria6 3 місяці тому

    How can you not double numbers easier

  • @Tabu11211
    @Tabu11211 6 місяців тому

    Are all square roots of non square numbers irrational?

    • @Merione
      @Merione 4 місяці тому +2

      No. You can convince yourself by looking at the problem from the opposite direction: if you take a rational number and square it, will you always get a square number? If it's an integer, yes (2*2 = 4; 3*3 = 9; etc), but if it's not an integer, then no: 0.5*0.5 = 0.25, so there exist non square numbers with rational square roots.

    • @Tabu11211
      @Tabu11211 4 місяці тому +1

      @@Merione thank you for taking my question seriously. I appreciate your response. Just like everything that is explained it seems obvious in hindsight and I probably should have just thought about it harder. That was a very satisfying and simple explanation.

    • @robertveith6383
      @robertveith6383 4 місяці тому +2

      All square roots of non-square integers are irrational.

    • @Tabu11211
      @Tabu11211 4 місяці тому

      Ah ok, thats probably what I was intuiting.@@robertveith6383

    • @archimedesmaid3602
      @archimedesmaid3602 3 місяці тому

      ​@@Merione???????

  • @jbjohnson4728
    @jbjohnson4728 7 місяців тому

    Thanks mami

  • @RakeshKailasa-w7w
    @RakeshKailasa-w7w Місяць тому

    This doesn’t work for all square roots. Example:4624

    • @frankyboy1131
      @frankyboy1131 Місяць тому +1

      If your comment is meant to be serious and if it didn't work for you, then you made a mistake.
      \/`4624 = 68. The procedure works perfectly in just two steps.
      ____6___8____
      6 46 24
      36
      ----
      12(8) 10 24 (1024=2^10)
      10 24 (128=2^7,8=2^3)
      ------------
      00
      (60+8)^2=3600+480+480+64

  • @illuminatiagent7691
    @illuminatiagent7691 3 місяці тому +1

    Few times she says to use calculator to find the number you put on right hand side of two digit, three digit, .... to multiply the whole thing by ...... my question is if I'm using a calculator to find the next digit, why not just use it to find the square root to begin with. I wonder.

    • @SpiritofMathSchools
      @SpiritofMathSchools  3 місяці тому +1

      We place importance on the process, which is why we challenge our students to complete these kinds of problems by hand, even if they're using a calculator for pieces of it. The priority is understanding each step.