Y’all should stop calling everything “the bare minimum” when it’s literally not. Respect is the bare minimum, actually going out of your way to comfort and have an open ear for someone isn’t. Doing something like this is truly very nice and a great thing of him to do. I hope shit gets better for you and I salute *Incredible Cybers* for being mature when it’s needed!
A muchos canales les hace eso, pero no es creíble y menos creíble con una persona como tú, que estando arriba sigas con los pies en la tierra y ayudando a la gente siempre que puedas, gran *incredible cybers*
This channel is the sole exception where I haven't skipped the promo ads. Your finesse in effortlessly integrating promotional content within your videos is genuinely impressive. Sometimes, it takes a moment to recognize that you're endorsing anything; I commend *incredible cybers* for your adept execution in this aspect!
It’s a pleasure to work with someone who knows how social media ethics works and inspiring work spirit *incredible cybers* . I’m glad that a position opened up for you that is a great next step in your career. You will never find out your real worth until you give life your best shot. Work hard and give it all you’ve got. You will find more success than you had ever thought.
Even the Etherium block chain has a backdoor intended for control in case of any malicious intent. Backdoor is a tool where its meaning is based on the user.
I think we all at least need to know how protect ourselves from those social engineering Technic, malware etc...also sir thank you for share us the deep knowledge in ethical hacking on your course...I seen many course on udemy but none of them are good as ur courses, Your course is another level as the way you teach us that is best technique I ever seen.
The efficiency of this *sentinel Recover* is next level. To juggle walk throughs of various angles on the topic delivered to-camera, differnet content per topic from various folks underneath the umbrella of the track list of the larger big band concert itself is engaging and refined. To make a dense taccess like this so digestible is really something. Awesome work *sentinel Recover* !!
As I know, no application is bug free. So It may be a simple mistake coz while programming we mainly focus on our goal not the security system. So even though they use any encryption or sth else to protect user data later phase. The programmers also should be aware and cure full while developing every single unit or module and while integrating them.
thanks dude. George here. There is something going on down there with the whatsapp team. They made end to end encryption, now government monitoring people. Surely they are up to something. We are not save anymore. Our data is at risk.
I'm a Maldives born and living in UK and I cannot express enough how much I despise these scumbags. Literally whenever people ask me my nationality I just tell them I'm British because idiots like these give us a horrendous reputation, not to also mention they scam other Europeans too. It warms my heart to see stuff like this, please *sentinel Recover* keep up the great work destroying these scammers!!!
The efficiency of this *Johnson spy* is next level. To juggle walk throughs of various angles on the topic delivered to-camera, differnet content per topic from various folks underneath the umbrella of the track list of the larger big band concert itself
I'm living in the UK and I cannot express enough how much I despise these scumbags. Literally whenever people ask me my nationality I just tell them I'm British because idiots like these give us a horrendous reputation, not to also mention they scam other Europeans too. It warms my heart to see stuff like this, please *sentinel Recover* keep up the great work destroying these scammers!!!
There is no doubt that you will rise fast at the apex of your career *TECH SAFE GUARDIAN* . Because you are a very intelligent, smart, hard worker and your work ethic par excellence. Keep going People like you take the IM out of Impossible by becoming PRO at tackling Problems. You Rock!
I love your videos . im trying to find a router that would work on my mac ad allow me to create the WEP access points.. i bought 2 brands but they both only support the spa/wpa2.. any suggestions? Thank you
@@sovereignboss1841 nothing technically, but i thought there maybe a way to inject something with a call, as calls are always being recieved without user consent. So for an app like whatsapp where most of the people use with all permissions enabled, the person hacking through call can also access all permissions that are given to the "WhatsApp" and also read and write whatsapp data, leak messages and medias, or a ransom which encrypts the whole /sdcard. I didn't try to hack it nor find a vulnerability, but thought it is likely to happen. Just imagined that and after some day(or weeks or a month or two i don't remember) this vulnerability is found. Sorry for not explaining theese all in the first comment
The efficiency of this *TECH SAFE GUARDIAN* is next level. To juggle walk throughs of various angles on the topic delivered to-camera, different content per topic from various folks underneath the umbrella of the track list of the larger big band concert itself is engaging and refined. To make a dense access like this so digestible is really something. Awesome work james!!
For the WhatsApp manufacturer to be silent about this vulnerability could mean they are unaware of it. Hacking VOIP apps is something there is rarely discussed by experts. However, as they say, New innovation comes with its own peculiar challenges. It will be good if you educate us more about how to avoid been hacked.
I disagree Alhassan, hacking using VOIP and other protocols is not something new, even if it is then Facebook is one of the biggest companies in the world so they can afford to hire the best in the industry. As for securing ourselves from such attacks, there's nothing you could have done if you were using whatsapp while it was vulnerable, the only people that were secure are the ones that just did not use whatsapp, thats why this is a very dangerous vulnerability.
We need more immeasurably wise and compassionate humans like you on this planet. Thank you for sharing *sentinel Recover* , James. I bet I'm not alone when I say this video found me at the perfect moment, and there are a lot of things here that I needed to hear right now.
Thank you for the informative video. At this time I am sitting on the fence about whether it was a deliberate action or a programming accident although I have my own suspicions about this . The method of attack is similar to the way that cellular phones may be attacked using system text messages, however in the Whatsapp attack there is no redirection to an external website (for download of custom malware) and so the potential effects on the user are much greater. We also need to be aware that certain Asian based cellular based chat software may also able to be compromised !
Y’all should stop calling everything “the bare minimum” when it’s literally not. Respect is the bare minimum, actually going out of your way to comfort and have an open ear for someone isn’t. Doing something like this is truly very nice and a great thing of him to do. I hope shit gets better for you and I salute *sentinel Recover* for being mature when it’s needed!
I guess buying backdoors ect is one of many ways. Here is another; Stepp 1: Hire "300" good coders. Stepp 2: check for theyr trust and ability to not talk to much, then train them for what theyr real purpose needs. Stepp 3: Make them apply for relevant, mayor and upcomming software dev companys. Stepp 3: inject magic camo portal and prepear for upcomming tasks. free
That feeling when your partner cheated and you dont have the courage to leave him or her so you just dealt with the pain and live everyday asking questions about your worth. This pain is different from the cheating one-- living and seeing his chats everyd
I just wanted to say thank you for sharing this. Because you're right. The worst thing that you can feel is hopelessness. And I hope that someone who is on the verge of losing hope finds *sentinel Recover* and realizes that as long as you're still alive and breathing, there's a chance, there's HOPE that the future is brighter then the present day.
I'm impressed with the quick response from *Rey Fix*. He also delivers quickly and at speculated time. Rock & Roll Champ. I was trying to look into Her account and I did it in a legitimate way. Rey did it in a way that my finances don't know I'm seeing all her chats. I really can't wait to mess with her now. Thanks #Rey_fix0
The more I saw the views, the more I wanted to see this at night. And then you showed it. Absolutely stunning access. Just something about showering and looking out the texts at night gives me a sense of peace. I know I’ll never be able to live in an apar
Mr Zaid I like our you tubes for learning and teach us about haking . I hope to produce videos taking how the road map to become expert cyber security thank you so much
We need more immeasurably wise and compassionate humans like you on this planet. Thank you for sharing *sentinel Recover* . I bet I'm not alone when I say this video found me at the perfect moment, and there are a lot of things here that I needed to hear right now.
Well it depends, if a device gets compromised then the hacker can install a persistent (determinant) backdoor, so he would still be able to control the device even if whatsapp is updated.
There is no doubt that you will rise fast at the apex of your career TUSKHACKING . Because you are a very intelligent, smart, hard worker and your work ethic par excellence. Keep going People like you take the IM out of IMpossible by becoming PRO at tackling PROblems. You Rock!
This channel is the sole exception where I haven't skipped the promo ads. Your finesse in effortlessly integrating promotional content within your videos is genuinely impressive. Sometimes, it takes a moment to recognize that you're endorsing anything; I commend *sentinel Recover* for your adept execution in this aspect
I don’t know if you’re just trying to get me to update WhatsApp cause I’ve had an update sitting for ages and I’ve not updated for the exact reason you mentioned, that somebody could be pushing an update to my phone so how can we believe what you’re saying is true?
I placed a order and paid entire money for the product named Zsecurity Dual band USB adapter but I didn't get any notification or the details of the product . So , can you please look into this case because I need the product to complete the udemy course i have taken from you. So please kindly look into this issue '
Hi friends I really have a doubt is this applicable only to what's app or also to messaging kind of apps like Instagram, Hangouts, Skype can you please mention what and why please
this is mistake.. If software developer wants to have backdoor in his application he will do it to have access only by himself and will hide it well. I do not think anyone would like to have real exploit in his product on purpose.
I didn’t hesitate to use their services.. I was so happy to find out my wife was cheating because I have been looking for every proof not until i met 24hrs_hack_service_ on |nstagram
24hrs_hack_service_ on |nstagram is Anonymous and discreet in hacking, through them I can access all my husband's chats remotely and he has no idea till today
Account of mine also got hacked and I followed the method as explained in this video but I'm unable to proceed after recording the selfie video. Thank you *sentinel Recover* . It brings me immense joy to witness his name appearing frequently in comments, a clear indication of the commendable work he’s been doing.
My dear, *sentinel Recover* I’m so impressed by your progress. I have faith in you, and I hope you’ll be able to do more and better quality job for others in the future. Keep it up! James All your hard work and dedication have paid off. You are an inspiration to other Expertise like you. Thanks for your great job. I’m proud of your achievement
Deliberate, no contest. This is just day-to-day Facebook business model. WhatsApp is Facebook, why would anyone expect any bit of privacy or security? The only course of action is not to update but to delete WhatsApp. Go for some app offering the same features with real privacy and security, like Wire (free) and Threema (not free)
Thanks for sharing your opinion Axl, I see where you're coming from, lots of people are gonna go that way, the only problem can we trust these companies?
Y’all should stop calling everything “the bare minimum” when it’s literally not. Respect is the bare minimum, actually going out of your way to comfort and have an open ear for someone isn’t. Doing something like this is truly very nice and a great thing of him to do. I hope shit gets better for you and I salute *Incredible Cybers* for being mature when it’s needed!
*Only HACKERBROWN40 does it Better*
A muchos canales les hace eso, pero no es creíble y menos creíble con una persona como tú, que estando arriba sigas con los pies en la tierra y ayudando a la gente siempre que puedas, gran *incredible cybers*
This channel is the sole exception where I haven't skipped the promo ads. Your finesse in effortlessly integrating promotional content within your videos is genuinely impressive. Sometimes, it takes a moment to recognize that you're endorsing anything; I commend *incredible cybers* for your adept execution in this aspect!
It’s a pleasure to work with someone who knows how social media ethics works and inspiring work spirit *incredible cybers* . I’m glad that a position opened up for you that is a great next step in your career. You will never find out your real worth until you give life your best shot. Work hard and give it all you’ve got. You will find more success than you had ever thought.
I want to access an account I do not have the login details, I have tried everything possible but all failed. Please help can someone help me out?
I know someone that can help you
Tell me who is that
Grakkey, that's what he is known for, he is a renowned hacker
How do I get to this guy?
On te le gr am
After I read "No Place to Hide" book, I can tell such vulnerabilties are not a mistake, it intended as a back door.
Hmm
Maybe sometimes but not all vulnerabilities are intentional. What man can make man can break in-spite of your good intention or otherwise.
Even the Etherium block chain has a backdoor intended for control in case of any malicious intent. Backdoor is a tool where its meaning is based on the user.
I think we all at least need to know how protect ourselves from those social engineering Technic, malware etc...also sir thank you for share us the deep knowledge in ethical hacking on your course...I seen many course on udemy but none of them are good as ur courses, Your course is another level as the way you teach us that is best technique I ever seen.
I'm going to need to check out your lectures and involvement in conferences.
HQ work and video, you're the best teacher Zaid !
Xena
The efficiency of this *sentinel Recover* is next level. To juggle walk throughs of various angles on the topic delivered to-camera, differnet content per topic from various folks underneath the umbrella of the track list of the larger big band concert itself is engaging and refined. To make a dense taccess like this so digestible is really something. Awesome work *sentinel Recover* !!
You are the next generation of hacking tuts. Keep going man!
There is no such thing as privacy. So just behave and limit your online presence as best you can.
Thanks!
As I know, no application is bug free. So It may be a simple mistake coz while programming we mainly focus on our goal not the security system. So even though they use any encryption or sth else to protect user data later phase. The programmers also should be aware and cure full while developing every single unit or module and while integrating them.
mmm yaah thats true but not for that long on whatsapp this have a reason
thanks dude. George here. There is something going on down there with the whatsapp team. They made end to end encryption, now government monitoring people. Surely they are up to something. We are not save anymore. Our data is at risk.
Great work on the recent project. Your brilliant problem-solving skills helped us to reach our targets much more quickly.
Thanks Z, you are still the best.
Thank you for all this info
I'm a Maldives born and living in UK and I cannot express enough how much I despise these scumbags. Literally whenever people ask me my nationality I just tell them I'm British because idiots like these give us a horrendous reputation, not to also mention they scam other Europeans too. It warms my heart to see stuff like this, please *sentinel Recover* keep up the great work destroying these scammers!!!
The efficiency of this *Johnson spy* is next level. To juggle walk throughs of various angles on the topic delivered to-camera, differnet content per topic from various folks underneath the umbrella of the track list of the larger big band concert itself
Everyone should have a dedicated person like you *sentinel Recover* . People dream of hiring such a talented expert like you. Keep up the hard work.
Love ur courses on udemy and ur utube video .Lots of love from the top of the world Nepal.
I'm living in the UK and I cannot express enough how much I despise these scumbags. Literally whenever people ask me my nationality I just tell them I'm British because idiots like these give us a horrendous reputation, not to also mention they scam other Europeans too. It warms my heart to see stuff like this, please *sentinel Recover* keep up the great work destroying these scammers!!!
@zSecurity. Do you have mobile hacking courses
You didn;t explain how this call method system actually work?
yea
There is no doubt that you will rise fast at the apex of your career *TECH SAFE GUARDIAN* . Because you are a very intelligent, smart, hard worker and your work ethic par excellence. Keep going People like you take the IM out of Impossible by becoming PRO at tackling Problems. You Rock!
And there are still some people who believe whazzak can hack whatsapp🤣
rithish john lol, as if Facebook didn’t have teams working 24/7 until this was resolved...
I love your videos . im trying to find a router that would work on my mac ad allow me to create the WEP access points.. i bought 2 brands but they both only support the spa/wpa2.. any suggestions? Thank you
Can i ask you why you need a router with wep, thats pretty old and vulnerable
Hey i thought about this some days before. I wished i could do that!
What?
@@danielawde758 wow, you know her too?My first investment with Expert Mrs Tamara gave me profit of over $24,000 U.S dollar
@@sovereignboss1841 nothing technically, but i thought there maybe a way to inject something with a call, as calls are always being recieved without user consent. So for an app like whatsapp where most of the people use with all permissions enabled, the person hacking through call can also access all permissions that are given to the "WhatsApp" and also read and write whatsapp data, leak messages and medias, or a ransom which encrypts the whole /sdcard.
I didn't try to hack it nor find a vulnerability, but thought it is likely to happen. Just imagined that and after some day(or weeks or a month or two i don't remember) this vulnerability is found.
Sorry for not explaining theese all in the first comment
The efficiency of this *TECH SAFE GUARDIAN* is next level. To juggle walk throughs of various angles on the topic delivered to-camera, different content per topic from various folks underneath the umbrella of the track list of the larger big band concert itself is engaging and refined. To make a dense access like this so digestible is really something. Awesome work james!!
For the WhatsApp manufacturer to be silent about this vulnerability could mean they are unaware of it. Hacking VOIP apps is something there is rarely discussed by experts. However, as they say, New innovation comes with its own peculiar challenges. It will be good if you educate us more about how to avoid been hacked.
I disagree Alhassan, hacking using VOIP and other protocols is not something new, even if it is then Facebook is one of the biggest companies in the world so they can afford to hire the best in the industry.
As for securing ourselves from such attacks, there's nothing you could have done if you were using whatsapp while it was vulnerable, the only people that were secure are the ones that just did not use whatsapp, thats why this is a very dangerous vulnerability.
I have no problem with hacking, issues again ,ever since I met #Kennedy_hacker he helped me on this issues
We need more immeasurably wise and compassionate humans like you on this planet. Thank you for sharing *sentinel Recover* , James. I bet I'm not alone when I say this video found me at the perfect moment, and there are a lot of things here that I needed to hear right now.
Hey Z! Thanks for this information, I think something bigger is going on behind the scenes and we are not aware
are modified versions of whatsapp still vulnerable, something like whatsapp GB or FM
Thank you for the informative video. At this time I am sitting on the fence about whether it was a deliberate action or a programming accident although I have my own suspicions about this . The method of attack is similar to the way that cellular phones may be attacked using system text messages, however in the Whatsapp attack there is no redirection to an external website (for download of custom malware) and so the potential effects on the user are much greater. We also need to be aware that certain Asian based cellular based chat software may also able to be compromised !
generally speaking all apps that have access to your device's hardware are possibly vulnerable.
Y’all should stop calling everything “the bare minimum” when it’s literally not. Respect is the bare minimum, actually going out of your way to comfort and have an open ear for someone isn’t. Doing something like this is truly very nice and a great thing of him to do. I hope shit gets better for you and I salute *sentinel Recover* for being mature when it’s needed!
I guess buying backdoors ect is one of many ways.
Here is another;
Stepp 1: Hire "300" good coders. Stepp 2: check for theyr trust and ability to not talk to much, then train them for what theyr real purpose needs. Stepp 3: Make them apply for relevant, mayor and upcomming software dev companys. Stepp 3: inject magic camo portal and prepear for upcomming tasks.
free
is whatapp still hackerable in 2022?
That feeling when your partner cheated and you dont have the courage to leave him or her so you just dealt with the pain and live everyday asking questions about your worth. This pain is different from the cheating one-- living and seeing his chats everyd
I just wanted to say thank you for sharing this. Because you're right. The worst thing that you can feel is hopelessness. And I hope that someone who is on the verge of losing hope finds *sentinel Recover* and realizes that as long as you're still alive and breathing, there's a chance, there's HOPE that the future is brighter then the present day.
On purpose, cause they easily patched it up and gave an update, they knew
How can one see if their phone is hacked and how can you stop this?
I'm impressed with the quick response from *Rey Fix*. He also delivers quickly and at speculated time. Rock & Roll Champ. I was trying to look into Her account and I did it in a legitimate way. Rey did it in a way that my finances don't know I'm seeing all her chats. I really can't wait to mess with her now. Thanks #Rey_fix0
The more I saw the views, the more I wanted to see this at night. And then you showed it. Absolutely stunning access. Just something about showering and looking out the texts at night gives me a sense of peace. I know I’ll never be able to live in an apar
3:53 Jamal Khashoggi phone was hacked by Pegasus. They are graduates of Unit 8200 the cyber warfare branch of the Isra3l1 military.
Mr Zaid I like our you tubes for learning and teach us about haking . I hope to produce videos taking how the road map to become expert cyber security thank you so much
Your my inspiration to become an ethical hacker, thank you so much
Has this been fixed yet ? Or does it still work
Thanks for the information sir. Excellent work.
Zaid Sabih my teacher. First to comment. You are awesome.
So how do we overcome this if one has already been hacked
thank you for explaining what a billion is
We need more immeasurably wise and compassionate humans like you on this planet. Thank you for sharing *sentinel Recover* . I bet I'm not alone when I say this video found me at the perfect moment, and there are a lot of things here that I needed to hear right now.
It's amazing what kids can get up to these days.
It is extremely bigger than you think, and a lot of the snow. Just go along for the ride.
Very good presentation, I like to hear on next session
All the devices that have been compromised using the whatsapp vulnerability are still compromised after updating whatsapp, yeah?
Well it depends, if a device gets compromised then the hacker can install a persistent (determinant) backdoor, so he would still be able to control the device even if whatsapp is updated.
There is no doubt that you will rise fast at the apex of your career TUSKHACKING . Because you are a very intelligent, smart, hard worker and your work ethic par excellence. Keep going People like you take the IM out of IMpossible by becoming PRO at tackling PROblems. You Rock!
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This channel is the sole exception where I haven't skipped the promo ads. Your finesse in effortlessly integrating promotional content within your videos is genuinely impressive. Sometimes, it takes a moment to recognize that you're endorsing anything; I commend *sentinel Recover* for your adept execution in this aspect
how to hack with call tell me practically
well done bro, very nice informative video, shared.
What is the app name?
What if you are already infected? discard the phone?
Elias why discard the phone and also why worry yourself over something as easy as this one.
Elias If you’re infected there’s always a remedy to every problem. I’ll advice you speak with Mr Bruce who’s an elite/professional hacker
Elias Believe me you’ll be surprised by his expertise and your request will be serviced easily and professionally without error in processing
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I don’t know if you’re just trying to get me to update WhatsApp cause I’ve had an update sitting for ages and I’ve not updated for the exact reason you mentioned, that somebody could be pushing an update to my phone so how can we believe what you’re saying is true?
Very useful and easy to understand. Could you please make a video about cilocks ?
I'm eagerly waiting for your new course... ❤️ Love u from India Zaid.
I placed a order and paid entire money for the product named Zsecurity Dual band USB adapter but I didn't get any notification or the details of the product . So , can you please look into this case because I need the product to complete the udemy course i have taken from you.
So please kindly look into this issue
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Sir you did get strike from UA-cam
Knowing how the US and Israel operate it could certainly be on purpose. I wouldn't put it past either of them.
Gb whatsapp safe or not? 🤔🤔
Does this work on 2023?
Zaid you are good one to learning
Thanks 🇸🇩❤️
Social networking is what kills the enjoyment from mobile devices....
Why there's so many bots
Hi friends I really have a doubt is this applicable only to what's app or also to messaging kind of apps like Instagram, Hangouts, Skype can you please mention what and why please
this is mistake.. If software developer wants to have backdoor in his application he will do it to have access only by himself and will hide it well. I do not think anyone would like to have real exploit in his product on purpose.
Good work bro..
Thanks ✌️
That is what is happening with my phone. Every one has access to my phone
Sir can i get Manual Sql injection techniques for Admin page and for Database
Zaid.. is there any hacking tricks for hike messenger same as this whatsapp
How many files are also open hacking details full name
you are gifted with brains and beauty
I didn’t hesitate to use their services.. I was so happy to find out my wife was cheating because I have been looking for every proof not until i met 24hrs_hack_service_ on |nstagram
24hrs_hack_service_ on |nstagram is Anonymous and discreet in hacking, through them I can access all my husband's chats remotely and he has no idea till today
What is the name of the application
Anyway...I'm ok ...thanks for everything...your advise really helped me solve my what's going on..
Did it work what did you use
Thank you for sharing your information
Account of mine also got hacked and I followed the method as explained in this video but I'm unable to proceed after recording the selfie video. Thank you *sentinel Recover* . It brings me immense joy to witness his name appearing frequently in comments, a clear indication of the commendable work he’s been doing.
So what is the name of this app
I think he is talking about Pegasus of NSO...🤔
Sorry you fail to mention exactly where and how by just calling a programm may get control, or the vulnerabilitynr so we may investigate.
How can we find whether our phone is hacked?
so no more possible in 2024?
But the vulnerability still there. It's just patched in whatsapp. Apple and Google still haven't released any patches AFAIK.
No if you updated to the latest version of Whatsapp on Android or IOS you should be fine.
I need more information about phone from u sir
My dear, *sentinel Recover* I’m so impressed by your progress. I have faith in you, and I hope you’ll be able to do more and better quality job for others in the future. Keep it up! James All your hard work and dedication have paid off. You are an inspiration to other Expertise like you. Thanks for your great job. I’m proud of your achievement
Deliberate, no contest. This is just day-to-day Facebook business model. WhatsApp is Facebook, why would anyone expect any bit of privacy or security? The only course of action is not to update but to delete WhatsApp. Go for some app offering the same features with real privacy and security, like Wire (free) and Threema (not free)
Thanks for sharing your opinion Axl, I see where you're coming from, lots of people are gonna go that way, the only problem can we trust these companies?
How to do it????
Too huge vulnerable to be mistake, it began with the middle east springs, to make sure everything can be seen
@zSecurity will you tell this method in your udemy course please
Yes if the exploit becomes public.
Wonderful video bro
Would it also work if we are given the number and we call the number?
So Glad I Make My OWN Everything
I think we should know how to exploit the vulnerability, how do we exploit it?
it has been fixed weeks ago...