Horse Training with a Hackamore (Bosal)
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This is the 2nd video Ive watched tonight and Ive learned Ive been using the hackamore all wrong. Been doing a steady pull method which is what I was initially taught instead of pull & release. Thank you!
Hey, sometimes we learn the hard way... and that's okay. The most important thing is that you learned it.
I will be trying the bump bump bump instead of the steady pull that has absolutely NOT been working. Makes so much sense. Thank you for the detailed explanation.
the bosal is only the braided rawhide or leather piece that goes around the horse's nose. It becomes a hackamore (jaqima) when you had the hanger and the mecahte. A bosalito is a small diameter bosal usually used for a two-rein setup. some of those have a place in the center of the nose button so a single piece of leather can be used as a hanger going up to the forlock or browband of the bridle.
Thank you for this reminder. I have brain damage and have been trying to recall my grandfather’s teaching. This jogged some memory.
Loved this video ! I’ve been using the snaffle with my 2 yr old now ima do some of this work with this same type of bosal !!!
Tip: MAKE SURE THE ROPE IS NEVER LOOPED AROUND YOUR HAND,horse takes off on you & you fall the rope WILL tighten so fast you will end up #1 ripping your hand off#2breaking it badly or #3 dragging and trampling you. So I always make sure to clamp the rope with my hands not wrap.
You do realise that Larry Trocha is a professional as in he does this ALL THE TIME??? He makes a living from training horses, some of which are very successful. People who teach riding lessons will tell you not to wrap anything around any part of you and by the sounds of things, you should keep listening. This guy makes a living riding horses and if he were to seriously hurt himself, it would likely have a devastating impact on his livelihood. His hands are soft with the reins and very well practised in releasing the loop. Stop giving advice and pay attention. You'll learn far more that way
@@c.rosstaylor1428 Ranch sometimes adding info in the comments is for the viewers not the people in the video and its useful.
In addition to a bosal, there are also bitless bridles and rope halters that are made for riding. I might try to experimentation to see which your horse responds to best. In terms of dropping their nose/head, a horse is much more relaxed when his head is lower, able to get more spring in their top-line too. Tucking their nose rounds the back, and helps them travel correctly and with balance. Plus, a vertical head-set allows better connection from hands to the horse's mouth.nose.
xxibitsuxx In my opinion, I recommend a rope halter with rings on the side knots of the noseband. I think it's called a side pull... I don't know for sure but those are perfect for horses with sensitive noses! Bosals are great for horses who aren't as sensitive due to the different textures and stiffness
Maya C I thought you can get bosal in different materials to give more or less effect?
@@This1LifeWeLive you are correct
Thank you so much , this is really helpful cuz my horse is still trying to understand how the hackamore works on her.
I sure liked that stop at 4:00, wish you would explain more about that to the people auditing this.
That's a nice little horse.
Thank you so much. I was missing this.
Thank you i am new at training horses I haven't this is the first horse Iv ever had that is just green I have a appaloosa that is just green broke she doesn't know how to stop or steer very well but iv only ever thought you keep a steady pull until they give there head or stop then you release the pressure so my horse would get upset and respond by throwing her head or stopping completely and not wanting to move but tonight I tried the bump release tactic with my hackamore (bosal)witch is what I use on my other horse as well and immediately I saw great results she never threw her head and responded very calmly I was able to get her to go the direction I wanted and stop when i wanted she doesn't stop on a dime but I tell you at least she stops now haha thank you again
Hi Mr Trocha. I love your videos! They are so much more helpful than many other training videos that I have watched.
Question: Do you ever start a young horse with a bosal first? If you do not, why don't you? Is it just your personal preference? Thanks for your help!
This is what I'm interested in. Hackamore training
Hi Meri, Two things... get the book, "Hackamore Reinsman" and read it at least 10 times. Then... get my training video titled, "Hackamore Training" and practice all that it shows you.
This is helpful with my current project
I'm glad to hear it. Good luck to you.
Nice video. I'm gonna start helping my riding mentor start off some horses. They've all been ridden, but she's in her 70s and bad knees and just can't do it herself or afford the training. she was really happy when I started coming back out there, cause i get to advance my training and learn to break horses. we're gonna get one in a double bridle and get her going. Shes a very willful horse, 7yrs old. the previous owner let her get away with too much. so she will rear at you and be disrespectful (on the ground). she also tries so hard to pull the reins out of your hands. It's a huge learning experience for me, she's so far the most challenging. but I really like her. can't wait till the weather clears so I can ride her consistently and actually get her going
Hi Cosmic,
I'm glad you like this video... but this in not the way for you to go considering what you described about the horse you are training.
+ltrocha We're not going to put her in the double bridle right away, later on down the line. but please what bit would you suggest for her? she has been fussy, trying to pull the reins out of my hands even though I have a loose rein. and please any suggestions for me the rider, I am open to learn more. plus I need to be more consistent with the riding, that's the biggest issue. she's been pretty good with me on the ground work. (I get after her right away) but she's disrespectful to other people who get near her
You, my friend, are true arrendador(riensman). The hackamore is hard to learn. You've bridge the gap. Outstanding video.
Thank you, Adan. Much appreciated.
Thanks for this video, it helped me so much!
Another great video
Good video to watch for asking and release. I think the bosal looks a smidge too low though without a fiador for lift. Nice young mare.
If the horse is two years old, and has been ridden for 4-5 months, isn't that way too early to start riding? I feel like horses need to be given a little more time to grow before going under a saddle...
That filly is a 2-year old, close to turning 3. If the colt is to be a futurity horse... the answer to your question is "no".
They need to be started by June of their 2-year old year or they will have to be rushed too fast or won't be ready in time.
People who ask a question like yours, haven't started many horses. If they had, they would know it's much harder on most horses to start them later than 3. Experienced horsemen know "why"... but most other folks don't.
Take care,
Larry
I think the commenter was concerned more about whether the horse's skeletal system was developed enough for riding. They don't fully develop until 6 years old. I started all mine with a hackamore. It's not so much the age that matters as the approach. I've started 5 year olds with no problems. Every horse is different. Lots of good information in your video. 😊
I agree with you 💯. Certain equine disciplines have rules that make it necessary to start horses earlier than they should be. Horse racing most notably but futurities as well. Some of that is financially motivated. It's more expensive to raise a horse to 3 than 2 so they start them at 2 so the horse can start making a profit sooner. Then as the horse gets older they have arthritis and other issues due not being allowed to develop before being put into work. So they save money in the beginning and the horse pays for it in the end.
CHECK OUT THE VIDEOS FROM "CUADRA SAN FRANCISCO. The word hackamore is a misuse of the Spanish word jacima and the proper name is "falsa rienda" and this is used before any bit.
Hello Mr. Trocha, slight tangential question here. Is riding with just a halter and reins problematic in any way (in comparison with using a more proper hackamore, bosal, etc.)? if so, what about your average halter’s design makes it less desirable?
Hi, a halter with reins isn't nearly as effective as a real hackamore.
She's so shiny!
With all do respect, shouldn't the hackamore be used in training BEFORE any bit?
Hi there! I realize this is an older video from 2012 so I'm not sure if you'll be reading the comments anymore. I have been training my Mustang to ride in an S Hackamore. He's young, only three, and we've been working on moving out. I would like to start teaching collection. Is the bumping the beginnings of teaching that? This is the first time I have trained without a bit and it has been an awesome adventure! Thank you kindly 🤗
I'm in the same situation with my horse. Did you ever find a method that worked? Sorry, I know it's been a few years.
Hey! I completely forgot about commenting this on this. I did find a method that worked! Really, just lots and lots of time doing circles and trotting over poles. I’m not sure if this is helpful or not. I hope it is!
@@amandabohman8178 Okay, I'll try it out. Thank you!
I feel like everyone in the comments watches Rick Gore and follows the hell out of him without actually thinking for themselves. Also a bosal IS a hackamore!!! It refers to the NOSEPIECE. And no it's not crazy for someone to use one. If you are using it incorrectly then obviously it can cause damage, like any other piece of equipment. They're not harsh people!! Quit being sheep and think for yourselves!!
Ceilidh Eyford thank you!!! These comments were scary
Keep in mind, Rick Gore is a good guy. He does a good job.
However, his focus is aimed at the back yard, everyday kind of horse owner. And he does a good job of addressing those people.
My focus is more on the intermediate to advanced rider who wants to take the next step.
Rick Gore has never said anything against bosals. He prefers rope halters is all.
I have had great success with the Bosal and Mecate *(many sizes) and don't feel the need to go back to a snaffle bit. I don't claim to be a horse trainer by any means, I just like the response and communication I get with the horses. So what circumstances would warrant return to a snaffle bit.
yes a hackamore will more better if he wont take the bit i had the same problem with my horse and she was a rearing bucking wont stop horse now into the the great horse she will do anything for the rider.
So, I was taught to ride with the left to right bumps to adjust the head and gate. Now, my horse was trained in a Tom Thumb, and abused to the point of being scared of his own shadow by the same people. Due to this, I moved immediately to an o-ring snaffle after purchasing him. Our new trainer insists that bumping is the wrong way to go, and is retraining us to use steady pulls always. I'm questioning this since just earlier this week, she used draw reins on him despite my concerns and he ended up rearing up and flipping onto his back. Today I introduced him to a regular side pull and he seemed to respond much much better to that than anything else. Tomorrow he's being introduced to a bosal. Any tips? Why do we only bump on bosals? Is it even safe to use steady pull under bit?
I wish I could help you and your horse but you are so green, I don't seem that is possible. I would suggest you get a better trainer.
Gday you said earlier in this video that she is two years old and you have been riding her for 3 to 4 months .?..just curious as to how old she was when first ride
Great instruction videos BTW
The filly was started late (for a futurity prospect). Her first ride was in June as a 2-year old.
This was a good video in general for teaching a young horse. But what about the stop? I'd like to move away from pulling back to stop. I do use my seat but I thought there was a technique to pull on one side and teach the stop?
If you go to my website, you will see the videos about stopping
I used his technique for the stop and it worked wonders :)
I have an issue with a 6 yr old mare she is great under saddle the issue I'm having is when I pick up the rein she backs up I try turning left or right same thing what can I use or do to get her to stop this I'm real light handed?
hi, can you explain why the bosal of the time you slack jaw of the horse ??? thank you.
Essas horas o ingles me faz uma falta.
I’m working on my mare with a hackamore and she is not broke but has a lot of trust let’s me saddle and get on but has no idea what she is doing
Hi Barrel Racer 37, I hate to tell you this but the braided hackamore is not suited for a barrel horse. Go to a snaffle bit... Maybe a thin one.
I run in a snaffle but my mare who is not a barrel horse I am using that on while I go buy a better bit that suites her better
just a small correction that is a bosal not a hackamore.
a bosal is a part of the classic/cowboys hackamore. the other parts are the headpiece, the hanger and the reins, the mecate
a bosal is a kind of hackamore, like a snaffle is a kind of bit
A hackamore is any uniform bridle
are the spurs necesary?
I have been reading the Hackamore Reinsman.... my horse is 6- can this still work?
Its called a bosal any where you go my friend
you can ride in them as much as you like, you just can't show in them if your horse is over 5 years.
@DebbieRank Hi Debbie. You can go to my website at "ColtTraining(dot)com
Larry T.
do you NEED to have a fiador to ride with a bosal?
Team Roper14 no. The main contact is on the top of the nose and nowhere else considering that there is no leverage.
If you want to have a horse with a more raised head, you can use a fiador. Especially when you back up a horse, the bosal goes back alongside with the fiador. I’m not sure if this made sense, but I hope it did
Sir i been doing my ground work on my colt hes 20 months when would it be safe for me to take the first jump on the saddle? Thank you
Hi Ramon, It's best to wait a few more months. Try to keep the rides short (15 minutes) until she's a little older.
why is there no fiador?
Team Roper14. There is no fiador rope because a bosal is designed to work off of balance, so the heel knot will drop when you release and come up when you touch a rein. This balance really makes a light horse. A fiador rope has a place too, though. If you are leading your horse and they have a tendency to hang back, then the bosal can slip under the horses mouth and come off, therefore people started using fiador ropes. However, I would submit that most folks are going to tie their fiador rope too tight and lose the balance and therefore the purpose of a bosal hackamore. Hope that helps.
Depends on what region your from. Typically in California there’s no fiadores. They’re more of a thing in Texas and other nearby places
To start a filly with 2 years and force the head to the "correct" position is far to early! Young horses should have enough time to find the balance with the rider first without disturbing them in the head positioning and with spurs. You put the needs of competition and money over the needs of a young horse. Let's talk about in 7-8 years and see whats happening.
MrFlamants you don't know the full story though. Is he really training for competition? Did he say that? If it went unmentioned, don't assume. Maybe the horse is just a ranch horse. You don't know the full story so don't go correcting him before you have the facts.
why would one ride a horse that young AT ALL?
He even say it has been ridden 4-5 month
Horses are not fully grown at that age. We don't start horses before 3 better 4 years of age as the old master did.
MrFlamants m
Somehow I still have several horses in their 20s that we started at two and they’re still working! Not a thing wrong with starting a two year old.
@@photojkc Do you know something about skeletal, muscular, tendon and mental maturation? Have you made x-rays? Did you ask the horse for pain sensations? Do you know the mean age at the world championship games of western and dressage horses? Do you know when horse training begins at the Hofreitschule in Vienna?
Riding with a rope halter is all good in an arena or in a relax environment, but don't try it on trails or riding with big groups, i have been there and had no control of my horse, specially trying to get my horse to flex and do a one rein stop.
Her tail is really long for a two year old. It takes 7 years for a horse's tail to reach the ground.
No it doesn't... my 2 yr olds tail is on the ground. Good nutrition, good hair genes, and taking care of a tail helps them grow. My 2 yr olds mane is also 3" past the bottom of his neck.
Any advice to keep my mares tail healthy?
Good nutrition is first and foremost. Just like humans horses have good and bad hair genes. The ones with bad hair genes either wont grow, or if they do grow they grow thin. Good genes will grow long full tails. I wash and condition my horses tails, keep them detangled, and I only put them up when they're going to be out in the pasture for long times (so they don't get pulled out by twigs or other horses). MTG helps hair grow too, but make sure to test it on a spot first as some horses have bad reactions to it. I also use BB SuperGro which is found in the ethnic hair care aisle at any walmart/target or online.
Ok thank you
My 2 year olds tail almost touches
It’s not a Hackamore is BosalIn Spanish full surrender
That is a bosal NOTHING compared to a hackamore!!!!!!!!
Hi Hannah,
You are unfamiliar with the correct terminology.
You are referring to a "mechanical" hackamore with metal shanks... which isn't a hackamore at all.
A "bosal" is a braided nose band that measures 1/2" in diameter or smaller.
A "hackamore" is a braided nose band that is larger than 1/2".
Hannah Wozniak its a type of hackamore
The bosal was literally the first hackamore in existence 😂
Any uniform bridle that fits snug onto the horses snout would be considered a hackamore
@@amberboston3154 Wrong, the serreta and the English hackamore were the first hackamores.
I know your a professional and I'm not the one to correct you but you shouldn't be clamping on to the horse with your lower legs.
That is not hackamore! It is bosal!
Maria Karaganova its a type of hackamore
The term hackamore refers to the bosal, mecate and hanger combination. The term bosal simply translates to "noseband".
You must be thinking of a "mechanical" hackamore.
Just think it`s been answering to the wromg name all these years
That is a bosal! not a hackamore! that is so mean you can cause extreme damage to your horse if you use one! what is wrong with you.
Serenity Williamson Any tool you use for riding horses can cause extreme damage. If used correctly and mindfully a bosal/hackamore is not mean. I have seen people be mean with the mildest of snaffle bits - the tool is not mean, how people use it is mean. I don't see the guy in this video being at all mean.
Serenity Williamson a bosal is a type of hackamore
Serenity Williamson anything you ride with can cause damage if used over excessively or incorrectly. A bosal is like riding in a rope halter except the noseband is a bit thicker. A mechanical Hackamore had shanks and can crush the jaw because of the leverage if used incorrectly.
you're way less likely to hurt the horse with a bosal or hackamore than with a snaffle or any other type of bit....
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