How come submarines don’t get used as often in these matchups? Orange seems to have teched into zeppelins rather late in the game, and generally had very few throughout. A handful of subs across the map may have been able to at the *very least* make ogre dropping less convenient by forcing Orange to append flyers and attack ships to their landings or create a larger ocean superiority fleet, or spend ages and fortunes working up to dragons. I’m no expert of course, so let me know if I went wrong anywhere here, but I’m curious as to why the naval toolbox isn’t being fully utilized on a naval map.
Fun watch, as some1 who knows little about compeitive war2. Cool watching the differences in strats. Noticed human didnt build any knights and relied mostly on mages and griffs whereas orc player didnt build any dragons. Are paladins not worth going for to kill death knights with exorcism, or is that bad?
I thought peon hopping was a staple of these sea maps, no? Make the shipyard, surround it with buildings, cancel shipyard. Pawn is on the other island (especially moving down). Get a second base real fast.
you are referring to the old version of high seas combat... dont know which warcraft 2 bnet edition it was but some patch fixed it so you could no longer abuse the peonhop
Nice game. Just a few paladins would have spiced up your army for a cheap investment (to exorcise those annoying DK on the other continents). That way, you would make better use of your human army and forces Orc to stick with Ogre only since DK would be useless. Ultimately, that would be a better show for your twich viewers for sure!
@@u8t3io3p i don't play the game, but I love watching these videos. Unfortunately it's never clear to me why the game ends. It feels as though it's premature to an untrained eye
@@budabudimir1 cause you dont Play till last unit, when you or your opponent knew its over, just leave without spend more time, its better to start new game
completely makes sense, same like chess. it's just the exact reason is unclear to me. Is it too few units, lack of resources or something else... In chess usually it's a specific sequence of moves that is unclear to the beginner as well ..
@@u8t3io3p perhaps just adding a text at the end explaining what has happened and why? Also adding a commentary in post production, explaining what are you doing and why would be a bomb
@@charliethewayfarerredempti7835 I highly recommend re-watching the video b/c I'm not sure what you saw to come that conclusion lol. Teal's battle strategy & tactics from the beginning were far superior than Orange. Even though it appeared that he was on the defensive for the majority of the game, he controlled the map far more effectively. How? Let's take a look at positions. After Teal knew he was behind on the naval front, he quickly established positions at 11, 3, and 7 o'clock. This decision allowed him to control the entire west side of the map for the entire game. One of Orange's two critical mistakes was not scouting early and often enough, because if he knew that Teal had expanded at positions 3 and 7 o'clock, he would not have attempted to expand to the southern most portions of the map, so far away from his primary two positions on the north east side. Teal harassed these two positions for the next 20 minutes, being able to easily bring over units short distances from his two expansions at 3 and 7 o'clock, and his original base. He effectively created a chock hold on Orange's southern positions, making it very dangerous and tedious for Orange to bring over Ogres from the north. Orange's 2nd critical mistake was focusing his primary attacks on Teal's original base, where as Teal focused his energies on only stopping Orange from expanding and getting new resources. Teal rarely attacked orange's strong positions at 1 and 2 o'clock, knowing that doing so wouldn't bring much utility as Orange had likely run out of resources already at these two locations late in the game. There is absolutely no reason for Orange to focus so heavily on Teal's original base (what good is destroying a few farms going to do), instead he should of focused on eliminating Teal's quick expansions. The fact that Teal had 100K more gold than orange, 10K more wood, and somehow more oil at the end even though he was behind on the naval front from the beginning, goes to show he utilized his units on a micro and macro level far more effectively than orange, and thus had far more resources available at his disposal. Orange likely quit because he had none left, and was not in a strong enough position to regain expansions that Teal had already claimed early on.
![Warcraft 2 Garden of War 1v1 u8t3io3p vs [TD]Medivh](/img/n.gif)
I hope the pawn that killed two wizards was promoted to grunt, at least.
I had to laugh
😂
nice game dude
How come submarines don’t get used as often in these matchups? Orange seems to have teched into zeppelins rather late in the game, and generally had very few throughout. A handful of subs across the map may have been able to at the *very least* make ogre dropping less convenient by forcing Orange to append flyers and attack ships to their landings or create a larger ocean superiority fleet, or spend ages and fortunes working up to dragons. I’m no expert of course, so let me know if I went wrong anywhere here, but I’m curious as to why the naval toolbox isn’t being fully utilized on a naval map.
cause jugg can easy snip them with attack ground without flyers, cost lot of oil, jugs best
29:38 Slick as hell
17:06 don't mind me, just passing ...
GG!
18:23 What a massacre, those orcs were just peons!
Fun watch, as some1 who knows little about compeitive war2. Cool watching the differences in strats. Noticed human didnt build any knights and relied mostly on mages and griffs whereas orc player didnt build any dragons. Are paladins not worth going for to kill death knights with exorcism, or is that bad?
Main problem is lust not dks, depend also gold
@@u8t3io3p@Chris Quilley
Took me a minute to figure out why you built a wall near the mine. Kinda awesome.
Warcraft memang GAME YANG BAGUS DAN KEREN❤TAK BOSAN AKU NONTON NYA👍
The same must be sc2 in a space landscape
good long match!
I thought peon hopping was a staple of these sea maps, no? Make the shipyard, surround it with buildings, cancel shipyard. Pawn is on the other island (especially moving down). Get a second base real fast.
There are two version of hsc, we are playing more balanced where you cant do that
you are referring to the old version of high seas combat... dont know which warcraft 2 bnet edition it was but some patch fixed it so you could no longer abuse the peonhop
i was sad to see there is no map editor with the battlenet war2 purchase
You can find it at Warcraft2.online
Yeah it grows on you
gg! great map
How the units get names?
Views from twitch/UA-cam
why does each pesant have a name?
Twitch views
Same question 😅
Nice game. Just a few paladins would have spiced up your army for a cheap investment (to exorcise those annoying DK on the other continents). That way, you would make better use of your human army and forces Orc to stick with Ogre only since DK would be useless. Ultimately, that would be a better show for your twich viewers for sure!
Why has opponent resigned, has he resigned or is the victory based on something else?
Game is too old to remember it, probably no gold
@@u8t3io3p i don't play the game, but I love watching these videos. Unfortunately it's never clear to me why the game ends. It feels as though it's premature to an untrained eye
@@budabudimir1 cause you dont Play till last unit, when you or your opponent knew its over, just leave without spend more time, its better to start new game
completely makes sense, same like chess. it's just the exact reason is unclear to me. Is it too few units, lack of resources or something else...
In chess usually it's a specific sequence of moves that is unclear to the beginner as well
..
@@u8t3io3p perhaps just adding a text at the end explaining what has happened and why?
Also adding a commentary in post production, explaining what are you doing and why would be a bomb
peon rage at 25:38
Where can I get wc2
En.war2.ru
i can play Civilization for Windows with you online btw
They start with 6000 gold?
10k gold
I don't think teal had enough map control
Agreed, teal displaying very bad control all over entire map with blizzard everywhere, poor unit control, and very bad utilization of resources.
@@charliethewayfarerredempti7835 I highly recommend re-watching the video b/c I'm not sure what you saw to come that conclusion lol. Teal's battle strategy & tactics from the beginning were far superior than Orange. Even though it appeared that he was on the defensive for the majority of the game, he controlled the map far more effectively. How? Let's take a look at positions. After Teal knew he was behind on the naval front, he quickly established positions at 11, 3, and 7 o'clock. This decision allowed him to control the entire west side of the map for the entire game. One of Orange's two critical mistakes was not scouting early and often enough, because if he knew that Teal had expanded at positions 3 and 7 o'clock, he would not have attempted to expand to the southern most portions of the map, so far away from his primary two positions on the north east side. Teal harassed these two positions for the next 20 minutes, being able to easily bring over units short distances from his two expansions at 3 and 7 o'clock, and his original base. He effectively created a chock hold on Orange's southern positions, making it very dangerous and tedious for Orange to bring over Ogres from the north.
Orange's 2nd critical mistake was focusing his primary attacks on Teal's original base, where as Teal focused his energies on only stopping Orange from expanding and getting new resources. Teal rarely attacked orange's strong positions at 1 and 2 o'clock, knowing that doing so wouldn't bring much utility as Orange had likely run out of resources already at these two locations late in the game. There is absolutely no reason for Orange to focus so heavily on Teal's original base (what good is destroying a few farms going to do), instead he should of focused on eliminating Teal's quick expansions. The fact that Teal had 100K more gold than orange, 10K more wood, and somehow more oil at the end even though he was behind on the naval front from the beginning, goes to show he utilized his units on a micro and macro level far more effectively than orange, and thus had far more resources available at his disposal. Orange likely quit because he had none left, and was not in a strong enough position to regain expansions that Teal had already claimed early on.