How come when others do it it's "art", "meaningful" and "contemplative" but when I do it it's "Daniel we're worried about you" and "we think you should see a doctor"
Haha, maybe when you have a reputation, society will just see everything you do as meaningful. “Ah, the great artist is now creating these scrambled drawings that I can’t comprehend, but I will still see it as valuable”.
Basically imitating the aesthetic of writing without considering it as such by not caring to attach meaning to it, which is what writing is primarily used for. Leaving only the aesthetic aspect of it, and perhaps the aspect of a person trying to know what it means, while assuming it does have a hidden meaning.
Haha, we could. But since asemic writing has no meaning, or at least that’s what they say, it’s quite the opposite for conlangs since conlangs are generally made with meanings in mind
@@idlethoughts Got to go deeper. There's no such thing as paradox, just bad questions. First observation of asemic conlang is it's quantifiable and random. Asemic conlang is quantum. It's meaning is it's meaninglessness. "The sky above the port was the color of television, tuned to a dead channel." --William Gibson For a practical example of using meaningless structure for religious purposes, would be fictional religions. Like if one were to make a "necronomicon". Asemic conlang could be used to express feeling with with style, while being intentionally untranslatable. You're not a multi-dimensional being so you can't actually read it. Quantum conlang, meaningful! meaninglessness. “And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you” -- Friedrich Nietzsche (probably)
The need for written word will never go away. In fact, as our society get's more complex, it'll only increase, as it always did. This is because, written language is needed to record intricate details, be it cash memo, production record or scientific/mathematical theory. Also, language is not just a medium of expression. It's a tool to model the world. In a way, language is the 'natural' theory of the world built by the society. Just as despite all the development in beautiful GUI didn't remove command line from computer, rather increased the need, no media will ever remove written lang.
Funny story I had at uni, listening to the lesson in a state of half sleep due to lack of rest, I started being able to read the lines of wood from the desk as a newspaper. This revelation though, shortly made me snap back to reality. I bet this can easily happen looking at this kind of art if looking at wood lines was possible to unlock sense out of. Brain is a very interesting data generator, or receiver.
That's so interesting. I'm actually making a writing system for english to play around with. It uses the same concept as chinese characters. I will be compiling a very long list of morphemes, with many of them being in "series" by inheriting semantic components from root words. A lot of what i am doing is based off of Proto-indo-european reconstructions, that way i can tie a large amount of characters together. The process is fascinating because by virtue of developing and memorizing my own system, I feel a new dimension to english words. I can't see them the same. Most of us just think that words are primarily sounds, and meaning comes a bit later. But I realized that that is quite literally what was installed into us when we learned how to write alphabetically. Once someone points out to you that almost every single word you say can be correlated to entire series that you never knew existed, you might want to learn more. My main motivation besides fun is to do this work so that it's just out there just so that you can see the systemic connections. This of course has spawned a few side projects. To start, english does have word modifications or inflections that can't be conveyed easily with a character system. So I'm working on a hybrid system similar to what japanese uses, where the root of the word might be logographic but uses the help of the other system. The second project comes from a specific frustration that comes from the natural process of sounds from related words diverging. It will always happen to a language. But due to the existence of the character families I am making, it can be so easy to artificially assign them all slight modifications so that they once again align near a common point. It's like a kind of "literary English". A conlang that kind of already exists. You can learn all of the characters and their readings so that you can read character compounds with high accuracy (similar to on'yomi, for those japanese learners or speakers out there). Or, you can skip that and just learn the modern English reading. So yeah. Now i can finally say that i can slightly relate to this video's topic. If i compile everything and everyone forgets what i have done (most likely) and the dictionaries are gone, people might just see the leftover writings as a mystery or parody. They will never know it was English.
I absolutely loved this video. This style of art seems somehow strange and quaint at the same time as deeply sentimental. My memories brought me back to when I used to scribble on printer paper when my dad worked at a bookstore when I was very young, and offer “receipts” to customers
I have an asemic tattoo, though I did not know it until now. clear symbols which look as though they do indeedh old meaning, but in fact have none. the point was to make it look like my arm was covered with an indecipherable text. always thought it'd be cool to cover most of my skin in such symbols and archaic shapes, then commission to posthumously have my skin removed and processed into leather and/or vellum, and have a book bound in it.
I didn’t see the posthumously at first and thought you were planning to get your arm skin removed and a book stuck to your skinless arm and I was like wtf type of modification is that lol. Anyways the skin book sounds badass, hopefully they allow you to do that lol. I personally have earrings made from my own teeth and I plan to wear to them to school on Halloween lol. Bone,blood, skin, and teeth jewelry/art is such a cool concept to me.
Oh really? They thought it should contain some meanings since they found some patterns or something that look like patterns in how it was written, but they still can’t figure it out. Some even think it’s a complete hoax, so idk. Maybe a 15th century troll was just messing with us by creating nonsense and waiting for future people to discover it, idk. Hahaha
@@idlethoughts I believe that is what I saw, I can't find the source but I saw like a 1.5 hour long UA-cam video a while ago of someone presenting it at an international research conference
@@idlethoughts Yes, it was apparently an old Turkic (as in Central Asian not necessarily Turkish) language. The guy who figured it out was Turkish and studied old Turkic languages in his free time.
Right? Especially when we create something without intent because isn’t art usually created with the intention to inform or communicate? I guess a lot of things we do are considered artful, we just don’t know them, haha
"Post-literate society" feels like one of those pretentious predictions who's proponents will fervently deny had anything to do with the use of psychedelic drugs. As our options for communication increase, our use of written word to discuss has *increased* As evidenced by the comments section on basically everything.
True, I think writing is very compact and informational and if we ever reach a point where texts are not needed, then I guess that means we would’ve regressed.
@@idlethoughts If anything it has been the way that we input text that has changed rather than our need to use text. *That* aspect might keep changing and evolving. Perhaps using a mechanical keyboard might go away just as much as writing in cursive already has. But we're always going to use text as a society.
I just discovered this channel. I can tell it's going to get big soon! Also, right when this video really started making me think about Shaun Tan's work, the section about The Arrival started!
When I see this, I imagine it as a strange form of conlang with little to no meaning, it's incredibly interesting. I'm gonna use this video as inspiration for my own conlangs, in particular þærich, my fairy conlang. It's basically a language that's encrypted to humans using a type of magic called "linguasîl". Only the fairies themselves can read and understand the written form of this language, while humans see nothing meaningful, say for a bunch of incoherent gibberish. Really great video. It's very inspiring, keep it up, dude. 👍
@@idlethoughts Possibly. In the world that I'm creating (in this one, anyway, since I have multiple), my main character is part fairy, or at least able to read certain parts of their script. However, this character is not able to understand much of the spoken language. It's nice how you pointed that out, helps me a ton with the worldbuilding. Thanks. 👍
@open_mind8617 maybe after I get monetized, haha. Right now I don’t have the money to pay or anything. Thanks for the offer though :) and thanks for complimenting.
I’ve been doing asemic writing for years without knowing what it is. Just as something creative to do when I don’t feel like putting in a lot of effort
Many years after our current societies have blown themselves up, future archaeologists are going to discover some of these writings, and marvel at the lone piece of evidence they just found, for an otherwise completely unknown culture. 🤣👍
Future archaeologists will quickly figure out that this stuff is meaningless, since, not only are there cryptologists in our time who specialize in finding linguistic patterns in unknown texts, but they will also have the luxury of Artificial Intelligence to aid them.
We call it каляки-маляки or if more specifically for writing карлючки and if there actually intend to be meaning but we ни бе ни ме нипониме, than it's закарлючки. But differences are actually contextual
2:28 Am I crazy or is this very scribbly Japanese? I feel like I can make out a couple kana but maybe someone more fluent could understand it as bad handwriting?
the sem in asemic means "meaning," not "the smallest unit of meaning" which would be sememe and the corresponding adjective, if it existed, asememic. actually, though, asemic means "relating to asemia", the latter being a psychiatric term.
@@idlethoughts yes, it's the same "sem-" from the Greek word for sign. actually, nvm, I'm now seeing there's a word "seme" which is how you might have got the "smallest unit". I was under the false impression that it was the -eme (morpheme, phoneme...) that made it about smallest units
I think I read the definition and meaning of the word, but I just didn’t really focus on that because I’m afraid the video would be longer than needed, haha. Anyway, thanks for the comment 🙂
so i could take random pieces of my pseudowriting when "copying" stuff and claim it as art... thanks! (also i love making weird scripts so i might make some sort of thing like this lol)
5:50 Idk, i do think some hidden stuff may affect these processes, i do wonder if it affected my drawings or not. We get influenced by many visible sources one can't tell anymore where the idea comes from.
I think for Smith, she might have been influenced by external sources. Like how can Mars have a goat and people just like humans, it’s pretty weird. When skeptics analyzed her writings, they found many similarities to her native language, French. So, yeah.
Да, это врач из 37 поликлиники. Там написано: "Амоксиклав принимать в течении месяца в период реабилитации, так же ибупрофен три капсулы в день" и что там ещё про диагноз и прочее
@@idlethoughtsyou should look up the pages in google images. It’s about a house that bends reality on the inside, the words literally changing form, turning into spirals, paragraphs literally walking off the page. The further the people get into the house the more ergotic it becomes. I really recommend reading it yourself as it’s really hard to describe in regular prose
lol I score like 95th percentile on openness-to-experience… but even this might be too far for me 😂 98th percentile and above required to admire asemic writing lol
Yeah, the aesthetics of written text are pretty, I admit it. Arabesque decorations (islamic abstract art, often serving ornamental purposes on buildings) are based on the same principle. But the "you interpret it however you like, so it's art" angle is where you lose me. How about I shit on the dinner table? Is that art? You can interpret the colors and shapes however you like! This artistic relativism destroys the meaning of art and beauty. If everything is art, nothing is! The fact is that some thing simply aren't art.
Yea, I kinda agree, though I do appreciate what they’re trying to say with asemic writing. But I don’t think all art rests on equal footing, I think there is good and bad art. And asemic writing on the other hand is… you know
how can you both say it has no meaning and talk about how this lets us communicate universally i sure dont understand what any of this means, nor the "text" nor this video. they really let anything pass as art nowadays damn
I really don’t understand it either, to me it’s pretty much nonsense. It’s ridiculous and we have a lot of weird people doing weird art things. I guess this is one of them. The thing about communicating universally is what the artists believe that these kind of writings can do, which I think is also nonsense. It’s pretty contradictory, they say it doesn’t have meaning, but they want it to have some sort of applicability. I don’t know, it’s just weird
You can read about dadaism. It’s an art movement that uses nonsense and irrationality to make a point and it’s pretty similar to asemic writing. Maybe it’s related to it a bit, I’m not sure
what's the point of it? depressed gen triple Zers wasting their lives scribbling nonsense for.... what purpose? I can see using it in some computer game where you discover an alien language that you cannot read but other than that it's just lines of scribble.
Why are you so negative about a form of expression?, "what's the point of it?" Why do people draw, sing, dance? Because they have the urge to create and express themselves however they want, it's the same thing more traditional abstract artists got told, "it doesn't mean anything/what's the point", the point is to express human feelings, ideas, and storys
@@idlethoughts sorry, i was tired when i wrote that. it's a sound made by some inklings in the video game series "splatoon," which heavily features asemic writing as part of its environments, since the characters write in fictional languages. what i meant to convey if i had had the energy was "that's like splatoon!" some writing in the games, though, is actually english or romaji written with illegible fonts or is meant to resemble real-life words.
...that's exactly why you get to choose the meaning for yourself and evolve it over time. Asemic is only meaningless when you look at it through a materialistic lens
You mean Zaum? Zaum can be read but the words have no meaning, at least thats what the creators said. Also, I don’t know Russian nor do I speak it, I so I probably put something that may not be Zaum although I did try my best to find them.
I feel like "gesture" was never meant to become complex. It only did so through means of trade and diplomacy when it could have stayed that by means of understanding and utility. Imagine a world where no one spoke a word and everyone got what they wanted.
How come when others do it it's "art", "meaningful" and "contemplative" but when I do it it's "Daniel we're worried about you" and "we think you should see a doctor"
Haha, maybe when you have a reputation, society will just see everything you do as meaningful. “Ah, the great artist is now creating these scrambled drawings that I can’t comprehend, but I will still see it as valuable”.
We didn't get their parents' testimonials: "Why don't you spend that time writing REAL books?" "Are you still writing gibberish?"
Because they place so much space between people like us these days, be strong, sing yer song
It’s a fine line. You got to build up to it. Start by painting your rubbish cans.
Well the difference is that you’re diagnosed with schizophrenia… did you forget? 🤔 😂
Basically imitating the aesthetic of writing without considering it as such by not caring to attach meaning to it, which is what writing is primarily used for.
Leaving only the aesthetic aspect of it, and perhaps the aspect of a person trying to know what it means, while assuming it does have a hidden meaning.
Yea, that’s basically it.
"We could make a ~religion~ conlang out of this"
Haha, we could. But since asemic writing has no meaning, or at least that’s what they say, it’s quite the opposite for conlangs since conlangs are generally made with meanings in mind
@@idlethoughts i've heard people have created asemic scripts and then later turned it into a conlang, not the same thing exactly but related
@@idlethoughts Got to go deeper.
There's no such thing as paradox, just bad questions.
First observation of asemic conlang is it's quantifiable and random.
Asemic conlang is quantum.
It's meaning is it's meaninglessness.
"The sky above the port was the color of television, tuned to a dead channel." --William Gibson
For a practical example of using meaningless structure for religious purposes, would be fictional religions.
Like if one were to make a "necronomicon". Asemic conlang could be used to express feeling with with style, while being intentionally untranslatable. You're not a multi-dimensional being so you can't actually read it.
Quantum conlang, meaningful! meaninglessness.
“And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you” -- Friedrich Nietzsche (probably)
On UA-cam, -strikethrough- is accomplished by hyphens, not tildes.
A reference to “the history of the world I guess” in this day and age?!
The need for written word will never go away. In fact, as our society get's more complex, it'll only increase, as it always did. This is because, written language is needed to record intricate details, be it cash memo, production record or scientific/mathematical theory. Also, language is not just a medium of expression. It's a tool to model the world. In a way, language is the 'natural' theory of the world built by the society.
Just as despite all the development in beautiful GUI didn't remove command line from computer, rather increased the need, no media will ever remove written lang.
I kinda think the same. It’s hard to imagine a world without written words as our thoughts get more complex, writing will follow.
Well said
Funny story I had at uni, listening to the lesson in a state of half sleep due to lack of rest, I started being able to read the lines of wood from the desk as a newspaper. This revelation though, shortly made me snap back to reality. I bet this can easily happen looking at this kind of art if looking at wood lines was possible to unlock sense out of.
Brain is a very interesting data generator, or receiver.
Yes brain is very interesting and weird
That's so interesting. I'm actually making a writing system for english to play around with. It uses the same concept as chinese characters. I will be compiling a very long list of morphemes, with many of them being in "series" by inheriting semantic components from root words. A lot of what i am doing is based off of Proto-indo-european reconstructions, that way i can tie a large amount of characters together. The process is fascinating because by virtue of developing and memorizing my own system, I feel a new dimension to english words. I can't see them the same. Most of us just think that words are primarily sounds, and meaning comes a bit later. But I realized that that is quite literally what was installed into us when we learned how to write alphabetically. Once someone points out to you that almost every single word you say can be correlated to entire series that you never knew existed, you might want to learn more. My main motivation besides fun is to do this work so that it's just out there just so that you can see the systemic connections.
This of course has spawned a few side projects. To start, english does have word modifications or inflections that can't be conveyed easily with a character system. So I'm working on a hybrid system similar to what japanese uses, where the root of the word might be logographic but uses the help of the other system. The second project comes from a specific frustration that comes from the natural process of sounds from related words diverging. It will always happen to a language. But due to the existence of the character families I am making, it can be so easy to artificially assign them all slight modifications so that they once again align near a common point. It's like a kind of "literary English". A conlang that kind of already exists. You can learn all of the characters and their readings so that you can read character compounds with high accuracy (similar to on'yomi, for those japanese learners or speakers out there). Or, you can skip that and just learn the modern English reading.
So yeah. Now i can finally say that i can slightly relate to this video's topic. If i compile everything and everyone forgets what i have done (most likely) and the dictionaries are gone, people might just see the leftover writings as a mystery or parody. They will never know it was English.
That’s cool!
I absolutely loved this video. This style of art seems somehow strange and quaint at the same time as deeply sentimental. My memories brought me back to when I used to scribble on printer paper when my dad worked at a bookstore when I was very young, and offer “receipts” to customers
Thank you 🙏
0:46 this would look like a great font ngl
It looks like Indian script
I have an asemic tattoo, though I did not know it until now. clear symbols which look as though they do indeedh old meaning, but in fact have none. the point was to make it look like my arm was covered with an indecipherable text. always thought it'd be cool to cover most of my skin in such symbols and archaic shapes, then commission to posthumously have my skin removed and processed into leather and/or vellum, and have a book bound in it.
You’re thinking very far ahead. The idea might horrify some people, but it’s pretty cool. Hahaha, especially the book with human skin.
I didn’t see the posthumously at first and thought you were planning to get your arm skin removed and a book stuck to your skinless arm and I was like wtf type of modification is that lol. Anyways the skin book sounds badass, hopefully they allow you to do that lol. I personally have earrings made from my own teeth and I plan to wear to them to school on Halloween lol. Bone,blood, skin, and teeth jewelry/art is such a cool concept to me.
I believe the Voynich manuscript is now believed to be written in a now forgotten form of old Turkish
Oh really? They thought it should contain some meanings since they found some patterns or something that look like patterns in how it was written, but they still can’t figure it out. Some even think it’s a complete hoax, so idk. Maybe a 15th century troll was just messing with us by creating nonsense and waiting for future people to discover it, idk. Hahaha
@@idlethoughts I believe that is what I saw, I can't find the source but I saw like a 1.5 hour long UA-cam video a while ago of someone presenting it at an international research conference
Oh, cool. I’ll try to check it out. Thanks for watching though 🙂. Hope you enjoyed it.
@@idlethoughts Yes, it was apparently an old Turkic (as in Central Asian not necessarily Turkish) language. The guy who figured it out was Turkish and studied old Turkic languages in his free time.
Oh cool. Does the manuscript contain anything meaningful? Or is it just a parody or whatever, haha
Voynich Manuscript has actually been deciphered. It is written in a form of old Turkish.
I think someone mentioned the same thing in the comment, but some argued that it was never deciphered.
You can join their conversation.
I really recommend the ideas of philosopher David Abram and the film Baraka: A World Beyond Words
It sounds cool, thanks
You just opened my eyes on a big saga I've been writing for the past 5/6 years. You unstuck me, and for that I thank you.
You’re welcome. Glad to know I helped you in some ways, haha
W video, I can’t believe this has less than a thousand views. High quality and interesting! Great potential for success
Thank you for the kind words! You know what they say, UA-cam works in a mysterious way
Handsome lad
"im too lazy to come up with something here so ill leave to the reader to hallucinate something profound"
no hate though, really neat
It’s pretty weird, but the motivation behind what they do is kinda cool
i used to write sort of a gibberish in a book whenever i feel angry and sad never knew i have created art
Right? Especially when we create something without intent because isn’t art usually created with the intention to inform or communicate? I guess a lot of things we do are considered artful, we just don’t know them, haha
"Post-literate society" feels like one of those pretentious predictions who's proponents will fervently deny had anything to do with the use of psychedelic drugs.
As our options for communication increase, our use of written word to discuss has *increased* As evidenced by the comments section on basically everything.
True, I think writing is very compact and informational and if we ever reach a point where texts are not needed, then I guess that means we would’ve regressed.
@@idlethoughts If anything it has been the way that we input text that has changed rather than our need to use text. *That* aspect might keep changing and evolving. Perhaps using a mechanical keyboard might go away just as much as writing in cursive already has.
But we're always going to use text as a society.
This concept, the works you displayed, and your analysis are all remarkable. Thank you for making this
Thank you, it means a lot when you say that 😇. Thank you for watching it. Hope you enjoyed it.
Оказывается, когда я в детстве брал блокнотики и малевал в них, это было искусство
I guess so, that’s why they’re using children drawings as inspiration for asemic writing
I just discovered this channel. I can tell it's going to get big soon!
Also, right when this video really started making me think about Shaun Tan's work, the section about The Arrival started!
@@SupaKoopaTroopa64 haha, thank you. I love the artwork of Shaun Tan’s The Arrival. So beautiful
When I see this, I imagine it as a strange form of conlang with little to no meaning, it's incredibly interesting. I'm gonna use this video as inspiration for my own conlangs, in particular þærich, my fairy conlang. It's basically a language that's encrypted to humans using a type of magic called "linguasîl". Only the fairies themselves can read and understand the written form of this language, while humans see nothing meaningful, say for a bunch of incoherent gibberish. Really great video. It's very inspiring, keep it up, dude. 👍
Thank you! 😊 Will you be able to read your own conlang?
@@idlethoughts Possibly. In the world that I'm creating (in this one, anyway, since I have multiple), my main character is part fairy, or at least able to read certain parts of their script. However, this character is not able to understand much of the spoken language. It's nice how you pointed that out, helps me a ton with the worldbuilding. Thanks. 👍
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching and goodluck with the creation of your work!
YT said "hey let's set this video to 144p for no reason" like I'm watching this on a flip phone
Haha, change it to 720p! That’s the highest I can do without putting a lot of strain on my already old computer 🥲
@@idlethoughts i could help render your videos if you wish ( i know its a wierd offer but this video is a banger)
@open_mind8617 maybe after I get monetized, haha. Right now I don’t have the money to pay or anything. Thanks for the offer though :) and thanks for complimenting.
something funny is that i have a flip phones that can actually go on youtube
I’ve been doing asemic writing for years without knowing what it is. Just as something creative to do when I don’t feel like putting in a lot of effort
I hope that’s creatively fulfilling.
Hoping the algorithm picks this video up, amazing content.
Thank you 😊. I hope you enjoyed watching it and yes, I hope the algorithm picks it up too.
It did. That's how I got here.
I hope it continues picking up because last time it stopped at like 1.5k views.
It did.
amazing video, how does this have absolutely no views??
Thank you 😇, I’m not even sure why but I think the algorithm is slowly picking up this video. So I’m pretty hopeful
90% of what i have written outside school
Or any child who can’t read or write
Glosolalia seems so much like the auditory equivalent of asemic writing. That's what I think!
Yes, it’s very similar.
This was a thoughtful review, I appreciate looking at the art work and calligraphy shown here.
Thank you so much 😊. I’m really glad you found this enjoyable.
Thank you. It was very interesting. Subscribed.
Thank you 😊. Glad you liked it.
Well now I know the name for the meaningless text-like doodles I scribble during zoom calls.
😆
This is really cool thank you!!! Deffo gonna ref this later in my art!
Really cool video.
Thank you! I'm really glad you enjoyed it! 😊
And also, thank for always commenting and giving me support. I highly appreciate that, tbear!
imagine future archaeologists finding asemic writing and not knowing what it is thinking it is an actual legible language
Maybe the Voynich manuscript is just that, haha
Using this as inspiration for my cyberpunk language.
Cyberpunk language, huh?
me: can i copy your homework?
bro: sure, here you go
bro's homework:
I think it happened once or probably and I ended up copying the wrong thing thinking it was something else, ahaha
Many years after our current societies have blown themselves up, future archaeologists are going to discover some of these writings, and marvel at the lone piece of evidence they just found, for an otherwise completely unknown culture.
🤣👍
Ahahaha, asemic writings are just trolls for future scientists 😂
Future archaeologists will quickly figure out that this stuff is meaningless, since, not only are there cryptologists in our time who specialize in finding linguistic patterns in unknown texts, but they will also have the luxury of Artificial Intelligence to aid them.
We call it каляки-маляки or if more specifically for writing карлючки and if there actually intend to be meaning but we ни бе ни ме нипониме, than it's закарлючки. But differences are actually contextual
What is that? I mean what language is that?
You deserve more views.
Thank you 😊. The views are steadily increasing. Hoping I can get my channel into the UA-cam Partner Program early October.
Its like those buddhist verses that never meant anything but theyre just fun to chant
Kinda, not sure if asemic writing is fun to make though.
hermoso video
Thank you 😊
2:28 Am I crazy or is this very scribbly Japanese? I feel like I can make out a couple kana but maybe someone more fluent could understand it as bad handwriting?
Maybe the artist aimed to imitate Japanese characters?
Probably just an accidental similarity to the basic enough characters that is most of kana
wow, that's how ive been writing my whole life
Ahahaha, I guess I did that too when I was a child
i've been doing this for years... didn't even know it was actually a thing lmao
I didn’t even know people do it on a regular basis
Wow I didn’t know other people did this.
People do a lot of other weird things. Humans can be pretty extreme.
book from the sky by Xu Bing
Yes, I wanted to include that, but I’m afraid the video would be too long. I’ll include that in my community post though, thanks!
the sem in asemic means "meaning," not "the smallest unit of meaning" which would be sememe and the corresponding adjective, if it existed, asememic.
actually, though, asemic means "relating to asemia", the latter being a psychiatric term.
Doesn’t it somehow relate to the word semantic?
@@idlethoughts yes, it's the same "sem-" from the Greek word for sign.
actually, nvm, I'm now seeing there's a word "seme" which is how you might have got the "smallest unit". I was under the false impression that it was the -eme (morpheme, phoneme...) that made it about smallest units
I think I read the definition and meaning of the word, but I just didn’t really focus on that because I’m afraid the video would be longer than needed, haha. Anyway, thanks for the comment 🙂
@@idlethoughts 🤷😁
It’s writing in tongues.
Yes, it’s very similar to automatic writing or glossolalia (speaking in tongues), but it’s in writing
For everyone who wonders, how would be kamala harris speach translated : from her mind - into human language : THIS video shows everything !
Does that mean Kamala isn’t human?
so i could take random pieces of my pseudowriting when "copying" stuff and claim it as art... thanks!
(also i love making weird scripts so i might make some sort of thing like this lol)
I guess I did too when I was a child, haha
I used to do this when I was a kid
That’s one of the inspirations for asemic writing
5:50 Idk, i do think some hidden stuff may affect these processes, i do wonder if it affected my drawings or not.
We get influenced by many visible sources one can't tell anymore where the idea comes from.
I think for Smith, she might have been influenced by external sources. Like how can Mars have a goat and people just like humans, it’s pretty weird. When skeptics analyzed her writings, they found many similarities to her native language, French. So, yeah.
wait but i did see words in the first shot; i saw the words "see" and "please", upside-down and scribbled out.
Your eyes must be pretty sharp, while me I can’t see anything…
Subd N Belld in the 1st minute 👍🏻
Thank you, I appreciate it 😊
I has to pause at 3:00 because I thought it was Lady Rainicorn.
Hahaha, Serafini is weird.
So, AI-generated writings without the AI?
They’re like scribbles
Да, это врач из 37 поликлиники. Там написано: "Амоксиклав принимать в течении месяца в период реабилитации, так же ибупрофен три капсулы в день" и что там ещё про диагноз и прочее
And you’re misdiagnosed…
@@idlethoughts да мне пиздец давно уже.
Ahaha, maybe you could call some of the asemic writers to derive meaning from the doctor’s prescriptions
Thats just my handwriting
I guess same
Why do I suddenly have the urge to hide away for six months and cover every wall in my house with asemic writing then mysteriously disappear 😂
Reminds me of the movie Knowing, haha
@idlethoughts Nicholas cage. Good shout! Lol I like that film
@1invag haha, yea. A pretty weird film, but kinda interesting.
So this why the US Constitution is so ambiguous ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Haha, maybe?
Time to mess with linguists 5,000 in the future XD
They’d be constantly scratching their heads, haha
interesting
It is, but also pretty absurd and meaningless…
house of leaves vibes
Is that a book? What is it about?
@@idlethoughtsyou should look up the pages in google images. It’s about a house that bends reality on the inside, the words literally changing form, turning into spirals, paragraphs literally walking off the page. The further the people get into the house the more ergotic it becomes. I really recommend reading it yourself as it’s really hard to describe in regular prose
@Volonanostress Oohh, sounds interesting. Thanks!
@@idlethoughtscheck out the doom wad "Myhouse.wad." It's based on the same book. 🍃📗
lingual and determinist youtubers would look at this and say "why english is bad and heres the alternative"
Which is worse or better?
@@idlethoughts depends lololo-
do you think we should teach that in schools?
I don’t think so. But we can talk about the history that kind of relates to it like surrealism and dadaism which I think would be interesting.
I never heard of asemic writing. Is this concept something you just made up?
No, I didn’t make this up. It’s a real thing people do, though it gets pretty weird at times.
doctor handwriting:
Basically, haha
lol I score like 95th percentile on openness-to-experience… but even this might be too far for me 😂 98th percentile and above required to admire asemic writing lol
Hahaha, I don’t really admire them. I just know they exist and I just let the artists do what they want to do.
It takes an intellectual to say that a language that nobody understands is a tool to communicate beyond language barriers.
Not sure how true that is though
просто представьте лица лингвистов когда они найдут эти записи в будущем лол
They’d be perplexed, haha.
Yeah, the aesthetics of written text are pretty, I admit it. Arabesque decorations (islamic abstract art, often serving ornamental purposes on buildings) are based on the same principle.
But the "you interpret it however you like, so it's art" angle is where you lose me. How about I shit on the dinner table? Is that art? You can interpret the colors and shapes however you like! This artistic relativism destroys the meaning of art and beauty. If everything is art, nothing is! The fact is that some thing simply aren't art.
Yea, I kinda agree, though I do appreciate what they’re trying to say with asemic writing. But I don’t think all art rests on equal footing, I think there is good and bad art. And asemic writing on the other hand is… you know
Some of Helene Smith's "writing" resembles Feynman's diagrams 😂
Haha, I noticed that too! 😂
how can you both say it has no meaning and talk about how this lets us communicate universally
i sure dont understand what any of this means, nor the "text" nor this video.
they really let anything pass as art nowadays damn
I really don’t understand it either, to me it’s pretty much nonsense. It’s ridiculous and we have a lot of weird people doing weird art things. I guess this is one of them. The thing about communicating universally is what the artists believe that these kind of writings can do, which I think is also nonsense. It’s pretty contradictory, they say it doesn’t have meaning, but they want it to have some sort of applicability. I don’t know, it’s just weird
You can read about dadaism. It’s an art movement that uses nonsense and irrationality to make a point and it’s pretty similar to asemic writing. Maybe it’s related to it a bit, I’m not sure
I've done quite a bit of anti-asemic writing. But that's somehow different.
What does anti asemic writing look like?
@@idlethoughts whoops. i misspelled a word.
Bro I miss read anti-asemic,as "anti-semtic"☠️😭😭😭
i just got the straight line with curves handwriting man not that deep
Haha
lol this is gonna really fuck up some future archeologists
Maybe it already did with the Voynich Manuscript, haha
It looks like my writing
Haha, same
what's the point of it? depressed gen triple Zers wasting their lives scribbling nonsense for.... what purpose? I can see using it in some computer game where you discover an alien language that you cannot read but other than that it's just lines of scribble.
I guess some people are just bored
Why are you so negative about a form of expression?, "what's the point of it?" Why do people draw, sing, dance? Because they have the urge to create and express themselves however they want, it's the same thing more traditional abstract artists got told, "it doesn't mean anything/what's the point", the point is to express human feelings, ideas, and storys
woomy
What’s that?
@@idlethoughts sorry, i was tired when i wrote that. it's a sound made by some inklings in the video game series "splatoon," which heavily features asemic writing as part of its environments, since the characters write in fictional languages. what i meant to convey if i had had the energy was "that's like splatoon!"
some writing in the games, though, is actually english or romaji written with illegible fonts or is meant to resemble real-life words.
Ohhh, that’s pretty cool, haha
It looks like my doctor's prescriptions
Kinda
This is the kind of stuff your kids get at college! $250,000 later and they believe anything.
They shouldn’t believe anything, sometimes they have to question stuff.
I have no meaning, so I am Asemic.
...that's exactly why you get to choose the meaning for yourself and evolve it over time. Asemic is only meaningless when you look at it through a materialistic lens
I think you do have meaning, you just have to discover what it is 😉
True, or maybe we don’t need to find meaning just to feel like we’re worthy of living because life is valuable
Ngl looks kinda like my handwritimg
Same
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What is that?
At this point anything is “art”😅
Yea, almost everything is considered art
You think that's illegible? Ever seen Russian cursive?
You mean Zaum? Zaum can be read but the words have no meaning, at least thats what the creators said. Also, I don’t know Russian nor do I speak it, I so I probably put something that may not be Zaum although I did try my best to find them.
Otherwise known as scribble.
Pretty much, yea
@@idlethoughts 👍😁
I was making asemic writing earlier, and it's scribble but with thought put into it? Just depends on the feel you want the writing to have
scribbles is art now?
Depends on how you see art. Maybe you won’t consider it as art and that’s understandable.
The emperors new clothes or a symptom of a decadent society in decline?
Hmmm, what does that mean?
So.. scribble gibberish?
Pretty much, yeah
No
Agreed
I feel like "gesture" was never meant to become complex. It only did so through means of trade and diplomacy when it could have stayed that by means of understanding and utility. Imagine a world where no one spoke a word and everyone got what they wanted.
Wouldn’t that world be simpler where no complex concept can be communicated?
It doesn't make any sense
You’re right, it doesn’t
AI writing script😭
Yea, I watched this AI video yesterday and the writing they produced looked really asemic
Heh.
Yea
Looks like AI generated writing
It does
Modern art apologist?
Modern art is weird
You.... know so very little about linguistics...
Yea, I guess that’s true
Looks like simlish
At least simlish still has meaning behind it
After hearing it is form of art I will skip it.
It’s a weird form of art
I enjoy it.
This is really cool thank you!!! Deffo gonna ref this later in my art!
You’re welcome, glad you liked it 😃
This is really cool thank you!!! Deffo gonna ref this later in my art!