That’s one way of killing off the show entirely... he’s just too clinical.. there’s no emotion to his test drives.. he tests them until he finds a flaw or always compares it to something better.. nothing is ever good enough as is for him unless it’s a full blown race car
hes quite good at it. been watching his videos since he starting making them on youtube. i've enjoy most every single one. he isn't jeremy clarkson n the other two weirdos. but those guys were a trio of comedy that is rare.
You should've put the Senna on slicks for a fair comparison. I'm sure if people are going to use their Senna on track they'll put some slicks on them anyway.
The simple claim was that it's as quick as a GT3 car. Keep the comparison simple and drive them as they come. No point changing tires etc and complicating the whole thing then discussing ifs and buts.. simple claim, simple test.. doesn't stack up. Move on.
Definitely agree there. The gulf between slick tyres and street tyres is so great that it's almost crazy to compare two cars if they don't use the same type. To say the Senna on street rubber is as quick as a GT3 car on slicks.....that's just dumb.
@@WeNeedASaga I didn't realize he was racing GT3 this year and when he said "This isn't my car. This is the sister car" I totally expected him to say "My Citroen is out for carburetor issues."
Give me a break. The whole thing is just a giant add for McLaren. All this is going to do is get rich idiots to want to go out and buy their GT3 cars. Exactly what they want. The Senna is "sold out" anyway. All those people who couldn't get one but had the money now have Chris Harris shilling their GT3 cars. If you think this is "unbiased journalism", you're pretty naive.
@@willywillywillywillywilly yeah...that's the reply of someone who doesn't have a counter argument but is an emotional baby so has to respond with something to maintain their conformation bias. "ugh" indeed.
@@BobHatesUA-cam It's never been anybody except Chris and Neil for over a decade now. They've been attached at the hip. I honestly don't think Chris would let anybody else hold the camera for him.
@@BobHatesUA-cam do you not understand how branding works? It's not Chris Harris on Top Gear. It's Top Gear's headline, but it's Chris Harris Drives. It's Chris Harris on Cars, but under the TG umbrella. Same show, different moneypot.
You can definitely notice the understeer in the Senna while driving it. You are one hell of a driver and the fact that you can speak about it as you're doing it. Great video!
You will notice the front end bobbing up and down in the senna. Which means he isnt compressing the lateral g enough to keep the car committed. Hes an older driver now. His era knows that such bobbing can set the car off in the opposite direction with one wrong flick or correction. He fears the car more than the gt3. As he mentions. The nose comes up with acceleration. Which is an old racing technique called throttle steering. It takes great skill to master throttle steering. Which im surprised he is afraid of here since her drifts so much. But the nose coming up allows the driver to attack the turn and throw it into the turn. You dont see harris attacking the turn in such a methodology. You brake late till the car catches, but you have to balance the throttle to keep the nose up, requiring left foot braking, and when the apex is met you can pivot the rear and nose to sort of cut the apex short mid lateral complex. This uses the hp more efficiently rather than average mph of an apex. Hes trying to compare the two cars with similar techniques. Which doesnt offer comparable lap times. Instead offer comparable techniques for each car. The senna needs a specific driving style to get the most out of it. But from what i saw, would only take off about 4 seconds. Each turn he misses the bobbing of the nose is about .25 of a second in a lap time. The car needs to be set in and then accelerated through properly. Doing so can gain .5 seconds to even 2 seconds if the car has alot of horsepower. So the less time you spend turning the better
@@treatb09 Chris has god-like car control, and thrives on oversteer. If the Senna was loose, he'd be happy with it. But it's the opposite. It's built for frumpy middle-aged multi-millionaires so it's designed to gently push at the limit instead of spearing the billies into the bales. It's front-limited, and racing drivers hate that. I know I do, and I've raced and won in many a GT, sports car and open-wheeler. I'm curious. What have you raced?
Me watching the GT3 lap "well this is unfair, look how hard he's driving it, there's no way he's gonna go this hard in a £1mil Senna". Then the Senna lap starts... "Well, I guess he is going to go that hard with the Senna too" haha, gotta love Chris.
The Senna already comes with semi-slicks. Full slicks wouldn't have made a lot of difference. Senna also has a softer suspension (not a full race suspension) compared to GT3 and the GT3 car has fully adjustable steering and suspension system along with wider tyres.
Am i the only one that finds the senna beautiful. You can just see how much the engineers went off on the car and that is exactly what makes it look so good
I do respect you preference because we all have different tastes. I'm sure you're not alone either, some people do like the Senna. In my opinion the Senna is one of the ugliest cars ever. I've also seen other cars that are track focused and their aerodynamics are just as good as the Senna and better looking cars too. I think they overdid the Senna with aerodynamics. But then again that's my opinion and obviously not yours, you like the Senna and that's is good man.
@@Robwilli i mean i find it beautiful but obviously there are far better looking cars out there, basically any other McLaren and many other supercars, sports cars even sedans. But i could never call it ugly. The mid engine layout, exhaust from the hood, big functional wing, wide body, relatively sleek appearance. It's not bad Although i do agree on the overstyled part
@@eddie1683 You don't need to win a race to be an amazing driver. You realise that even the worst footballer in Premier League is better than an average person, the worst driver in Formula 1 is probably in top 50 of drivers etc. Just being able to participate in an event like this means you are better than 99% of the population.
@@BobHatesUA-cam what i mean is with chris atleast guys like us click on the videos. The other guys purely talk out of their asses. They treat the show as if its purely a business. Zero real emotion to it. Even chris is guilty sometimes of weird contradictions and classic journalist filler bs but atleast his reviews are 95% proper. Probably one of the most honest in the industry and he truely deserves praise for saving this mess of a show.
@@GoldenEDM_2018 dude, they’re actually terrible. If you look back at their shows, it’s so much forced comedy that it didn’t age that well, to the point of being cringe. Plus, their reviews were 95% supercars (apart from May which was the sensible one), and let’s be honest, most of TG audience will never afford/drive/even see the cars featured on the power board. I know nostalgia is a powerful thing, but Chris Harris is leaps and bounds ahead of them, is an actual race driver and is so much more likeable, even when he’s acting like a prick for show purposes.
HyperLeafBlower True it's actually the gears themselves (inside of the transmission) that make that sound. They are straight cut instead of helical like road cars.
Isn't he just? I'm constantly disappointed by the pretty(¬ so pretty) boys, and one or two girls with their car review videos, and though they manage to get their hands on some incredible cars, they're wasted on them because it's pretty clear that they know very little about cars, and worst of all, they don't even know how to drive, so they never drive the cars as intended, as Chris does
Josh Cartu once said his 458 Challenge car was 10 seconds faster around Spa (if i remember correctly) than his LaFerrari. No matter how you slice it, road cars will never beat race cars. The compromises needed to make a car road legal and comfortable enough to drive it in traffic are too limiting.
Probably the only intelligent thing I've heard that guy saying. Is he still hiding in Russia after his scums broke out? I mean, you could have told miles away that guy was fishy
The fact that he got within 7 seconds of the 650s gt3 car, on road tyres don’t forget! is pretty impressive in my book. It makes me think what time it would of posted on slicks 🤔
You gotta hear the engine in real life. I have heard the 4L tt at full tilt and it sounds pretty mean. Not an lfa or 812 but still sounds alot better than a 4cl honda. Unless were talking 350hp na k24 builds revving 10k rpms.
@@followthegrow108 Yeah hearing a fully built K with ITB's was life changing. Amazing sound from a 4 cylinder and it's kinda mindblowing the difference in sound just adding ITB's can make.
Perfect video..once again!👌 And you could just see and feel the understeer in the Senna during the timed lap. I guess it’s set up “safe” for the non-racecar drivers.
I thought the same. If McLaren are saying it's as fast as a GT3 they're obviously referring to a race track and therefore slick tyres. I'm sure the ultimate conclusion would still be that it's slower but perhaps not as blatantly
It would make a difference, but not 7 seconds. Plus it’s breaking point is still much earlier than where the GT3 would be. Makes sense, the GT3 is a purpose built race car.
Great to see Chris driving again. I'm pretty sure with his sponsors, fans, and support he could host his own show on his own channel. No bullshit. Just Chris doing what he loves.
Chris Harris is just the guy that can say what is right and not in a car like the Senna. This guy knows what he is talking about and I respect him for his passion and skills. Chris thank you that you exist and thank you for your work.
Yep totally brain dead logic by mclaren!! Lets use 245 so its drivable on the road but we're making our most track focused road car ever.... a corvette grand sport has more lateral grip at lower speeds than a senna which is laughable.
@@darkchild130 for the most part aftermarket is terrible. If you want to make shit unreliable buy aftermarket stuff. Aftermarket exists because there aren't price ceilings that manufacturers need to meet to make a profit. Most of it is a luxury. Although, I'm sure McLaren isn't skimping on mm's of tire to pinch pennies. It's because that's what they have learned works best through testing within the confines of availability, turn-in, balance, grip, rolling resistance, treadwear etc etc.
@@darkchild130 After Market is taking a great piece of engineering and trying to blow it up saying weell sorry you fitted the massive turbo...manufacturers build shit to do 300,000 miles not to work then blow, they could make that car 1000bhp, but how long does it last ?
My type r has a 245 front tyre as standard. I'm also for making road cars nice on the road but in something as specialised as a Senna surely bit of tramlining can be tolerated.
I reckon they've deliberately tuned the car on the understeer side so as to make it more controllable for the more average driver who will likely buy the car. They'll never come as close to the limits as in this video and hence never be disappointed.
They literally put Senna's name on the car.... And then they put these crappily narrow tyres (that bottleneck everything!) on it so that their rich idiot customer clique wont complain about lack of comfort driving their everyday car to brag around town with.
If they made the Senna road illegal by putting slicks they should also make the GT3 car race illegal by removing the ballast and derestricting the engine
@@haydenmarks2895 Porsche's 911 GT2 is called that because GT2 is a marketing term, or a model name, if you will. The 911 GT2 (at least the way most people use the term) isn't actually a GT2 category race car, it's just a very very fast sports car. No, the 911 GT2 RS wouldn't compete at all with an actual GT3 racer, let alone a GT2 racer. Vs. the Senna is a fairer comparison (though as others have said, it probably doesn't win there either).
When you start comparing fast road cars unironically to top-shelf racing machines, you can find fault in any car. Turns out the Senna needs 255+ front tires
@@BoilerBloodline so do i but i cant help but notice that a 650s with some fairly basic aero just absolutely smoked the Senna. Obviously the aero isnt doing nothing but it definitely smells a bit like pseudo aerodynamics and marketing.
Michael Cliff Wait? Where is said video? And are you talking on a track or in a straight line? I couldn’t care less about straight line speed. All the aero is for a track. The Senna has smoked every other road legal car I know of and some non-road legal cars.
@@BoilerBloodline this video, the gt3 car is a 650s with some basic aero really. Single element rear wing, nothing active, nothing really crazy in terms of slots and vents. Chris says it too that the 650 is being pushed way harder into the track than the aero than the senna. Ignoring power, weight, and tire advantages either way and the resulting time if you like but the man himself says that just in terms of aero the 650 wins.
Michael Cliff Well sure but it’s a GT3 car and not road legal. I mean you can strip weight, add aero and an engine to just about anything and make it really fast. I just know there hasn’t been many cars pull lap times faster than the Senna. On The Grand Tour it set the fastest lap by a considerable margin even beating the track only Aston Martin Vulcan’s time.
Interesting, almost identical to the lap time difference I saw when I did this test at Thermal Raceway. The Senna on stock Trofeo R's ran 2:37.8, the GT3 on Michelin mediums ran 1:29.2
Great Vid. I get stuck on how Harris it is that he does a piece to camera with his balaclava on nearly sideways. Driver first, second and forever, TV presenter as an absolute afterthought. Love it.
At "only" 7 secs on Trofeos, that is very impressive. Closing that gap should be very possible with slicks. Either way, getting to watch Chris do what the rest of the industry is to jaded and scared to do once again...is priceless. Thank you Chris!!! The industry and the fans NEED you.
How can some people watch this video & dislike it,420 did!!, so you have to ask the question why did they bother watching in the first place? Chris's car reviews are for my money, quite simply the best shown on UA-cam,PERIOD.
Milourime The senna still wouldn’t be able to carry the same speed out of the corners. Plus it would have to brake much earlier than the GT3 car, without the same cornering speed.
A set of slicks on the Senna isn't going to close a 7 second gap. It would pickup 3 seconds at best. Had it been a GT4 car the Senna was pitted against, then a set of slicks "might have" evened it out. Even hyper cars are no match for full-on race cars.
You’re in the minority. Majority of car enthusiasts who understand symmetry, proportions and lines with say the Senna is all wrong. It’s not only ugly, it’s fugly
@@IschChef That'd still be incredibly impressive. The thing is, I know R-comound tires are pretty crazy nowadays, but I just don't see how they're expecting to compete against racing slicks on a car that weighs much less?
@@dons1932 Maybe it would have understeered too much with a wider setup up front, or it could have been too twitchy? Hard to say. Be a great question for the engineers
@@Briggsian No I think it has to do with the electronic axle trickery. The race cars use 275, 335 in the same structure. McLaren claim there is some front / rear electrical balance, and combined with the electro-hydro steering, I'd bet it's limited as to what it can actually deal with, to balance front and rear grip. Think of it like Porsche rear steer, but without the rears ACTUALLY steering, but the ECU calculating the split between F and R and adjusting accordingly. Very typical McLaren trickery. And also why the race cars, with all electric trickeries banned, can just use full proper width sizes for mechanical grip. I think the Valkryie has a genuine half a chance of being as quick as its claims, because it basically IS an F1 car with guards by design. This thing is just a souped up P1. And a P1 GTR would absolutely slaughter it, let alone an off the shelf GT3 Macca.
no matter how strong the brakes are，braking force has to go through tires，especially front tires. those 245 front trofeo rs are huge limit,low mechanical grip means low speed，low speed means less downforce，less downforce means less grip，less grip means less speed，less speed means less downforce，it is just a terrible loop for high downforce cars.
Great comparison Chris. I'm thinking slicks on the Senna might give it another 2-3 sec on that track right? It's still a road car versus a race car which we typically know the outcome. Fun to watch.
I will keep this in mind when next deciding between a Senna and a GT3
But how does the GT3 compare to the Senna GTR?
Yeah in your Forza game 😁. Me too though.
Hahaha
He said a GT3 car. Which is interesting. I would've thought they would cost millions
Nah, just get both. Treat ya sen!
Come on BBC, just ditch the whole Top Gear crap and make this “The Chris Harris Show”.
Just ditch the lot.
That’s one way of killing off the show entirely... he’s just too clinical.. there’s no emotion to his test drives.. he tests them until he finds a flaw or always compares it to something better.. nothing is ever good enough as is for him unless it’s a full blown race car
fxdrapeau Chris Harris is by far the best auto journalist out there.
fxdrapeau honestly I feel the same about Jeremy Clarkson now that you put it that way...
fxdrapeau I guess we all have preferences, but it’s they’re job to criticize cars so I guess they do have to be like that.
The G-forces being represented by the loose harness in the passenger seat is fantastic..
And the bits of brain on the side windows...
Yeah I kept noticing that and thinking is that the G meter?
I love how Chris has just gradually but masterfully taken over. This is basically Chris Harris on Cars but sponsored by Top Gear
hes quite good at it. been watching his videos since he starting making them on youtube. i've enjoy most every single one. he isn't jeremy clarkson n the other two weirdos. but those guys were a trio of comedy that is rare.
A talking stig.
Sena vs a gt3 rs.
Gimme the gt3rs.
Top gear is now Chris Harris without him it isn’t even (Top) 🇬🇧✌️👍🏻
@@treatb09 No one can be Jeremy Clarkson.
Those were the golden days of Top Gear
You should've put the Senna on slicks for a fair comparison. I'm sure if people are going to use their Senna on track they'll put some slicks on them anyway.
Then it wouldn't be a Senna "Out of the box".
@@RideYourBikeEveryday Yes it would. Comparing tires is just rubbish.
The simple claim was that it's as quick as a GT3 car. Keep the comparison simple and drive them as they come. No point changing tires etc and complicating the whole thing then discussing ifs and buts.. simple claim, simple test.. doesn't stack up. Move on.
Definitely agree there. The gulf between slick tyres and street tyres is so great that it's almost crazy to compare two cars if they don't use the same type. To say the Senna on street rubber is as quick as a GT3 car on slicks.....that's just dumb.
Lol! The tires it COMES with are race worthy. Ya think it just got to end of production and they just said “grab those rims over in the corner!” 🙄
_"I'll tell you what, I know what I'd rather drive"_ Damn! Fiat Uno wins again! :-)
or Citroen 2CV? ;)
@@WeNeedASaga I didn't realize he was racing GT3 this year and when he said "This isn't my car. This is the sister car" I totally expected him to say "My Citroen is out for carburetor issues."
@xjet Funny seeing you here Bruce. Didn't know you were into cars.
@@ASJC27 Isn't *everyone* into cars? :-) And I am omnipresent on UA-cam :-)
Good news! It's the Dacia Sandero!
Never afraid to say the truth, love it!
Nicholas Fouch and how do you know what’s really on their mind? That can only be negative?
Give me a break. The whole thing is just a giant add for McLaren. All this is going to do is get rich idiots to want to go out and buy their GT3 cars. Exactly what they want. The Senna is "sold out" anyway. All those people who couldn't get one but had the money now have Chris Harris shilling their GT3 cars. If you think this is "unbiased journalism", you're pretty naive.
doublestrokeroll I think if it was any other gt3 car the outcome and the video would have been much the same
doublestrokeroll ugh
@@willywillywillywillywilly yeah...that's the reply of someone who doesn't have a counter argument but is an emotional baby so has to respond with something to maintain their conformation bias. "ugh" indeed.
The GT car had stickers and the Senna didn't. Too much difference in HP.
I don't know what that means.
The GT3 has 550hp, the Senna has 800hp.
@@markmark5269 stickers means +500hp
@@markmark5269 woooosh
@@markmark5269 currently going to the funeral of your sens of humour
Oh well, I still don't get it, but what the hell, I'm rich, i don't work, and I drive a supercar, I win anyway.
"Apologies for the basic footage" still miles better than any other reviewer out there lmao.
Easy to accomplish when you have a crew of thirty plus people to set up those shots...
@@BobHatesUA-cam It's never been anybody except Chris and Neil for over a decade now. They've been attached at the hip. I honestly don't think Chris would let anybody else hold the camera for him.
@@spdcrzy then why call it "top gear"?
@@BobHatesUA-cam do you not understand how branding works? It's not Chris Harris on Top Gear. It's Top Gear's headline, but it's Chris Harris Drives. It's Chris Harris on Cars, but under the TG umbrella. Same show, different moneypot.
Not as good as the gt
You can definitely notice the understeer in the Senna while driving it. You are one hell of a driver and the fact that you can speak about it as you're doing it. Great video!
Thanks I know I am
You will notice the front end bobbing up and down in the senna. Which means he isnt compressing the lateral g enough to keep the car committed. Hes an older driver now. His era knows that such bobbing can set the car off in the opposite direction with one wrong flick or correction. He fears the car more than the gt3.
As he mentions. The nose comes up with acceleration. Which is an old racing technique called throttle steering. It takes great skill to master throttle steering. Which im surprised he is afraid of here since her drifts so much. But the nose coming up allows the driver to attack the turn and throw it into the turn. You dont see harris attacking the turn in such a methodology. You brake late till the car catches, but you have to balance the throttle to keep the nose up, requiring left foot braking, and when the apex is met you can pivot the rear and nose to sort of cut the apex short mid lateral complex. This uses the hp more efficiently rather than average mph of an apex.
Hes trying to compare the two cars with similar techniques. Which doesnt offer comparable lap times. Instead offer comparable techniques for each car.
The senna needs a specific driving style to get the most out of it. But from what i saw, would only take off about 4 seconds. Each turn he misses the bobbing of the nose is about .25 of a second in a lap time. The car needs to be set in and then accelerated through properly. Doing so can gain .5 seconds to even 2 seconds if the car has alot of horsepower. So the less time you spend turning the better
@@treatb09 Well explained
@@treatb09 You've managed to talk an awful lot of bollocks in one comment
@@treatb09 Chris has god-like car control, and thrives on oversteer. If the Senna was loose, he'd be happy with it. But it's the opposite. It's built for frumpy middle-aged multi-millionaires so it's designed to gently push at the limit instead of spearing the billies into the bales. It's front-limited, and racing drivers hate that. I know I do, and I've raced and won in many a GT, sports car and open-wheeler.
I'm curious. What have you raced?
The placement of that gt3 seatbeltholder has been distracting me all the way trough his fast lap...
That wasn't a seat belt holder it was side belt holder to save you from side impact😂
It's for safety net like in the side window, if it was used, obviously we can't see harris there lol
man do we saw this video together or what? xD YE they forgot to stick that damn thing
For the other seat net side. We unplugged the bet so you can see Harris.
That’s the G meter
Me watching the GT3 lap "well this is unfair, look how hard he's driving it, there's no way he's gonna go this hard in a £1mil Senna". Then the Senna lap starts... "Well, I guess he is going to go that hard with the Senna too" haha, gotta love Chris.
C CX what do u think the 650 GT3 costs then?
@@fcodijk £330,000 to be precise. So, you were saying?
fcodijk you were saying?
@@fcodijk you were saying ?
That's what this car is really made for.
If the Senna was faster this video would of been posted last year lol.
LOL!
*have
Hahahaha 😂
Would’ve*
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm420 both of you
Am I the only one thinking how nice it would have been to throw on a set of slicks just to truly see what the senna could do?
The Senna already comes with semi-slicks. Full slicks wouldn't have made a lot of difference. Senna also has a softer suspension (not a full race suspension) compared to GT3 and the GT3 car has fully adjustable steering and suspension system along with wider tyres.
@@stud000000079 On a road going compound though that is likely far harder than your average gt3 slick, I think it would do more than you think
The slicks are probably bolt on 4 seconds a lap
GT3 car and ten track days a year sounds like a far more rewarding use of one's funds, indeed.
and people are less likely to think that you are a banker and are a real racer car driver lol
Harris is such a good commentator regardless of whats going on, would watch him comment a vid of two birds fighting over bread crumbs.
What's your choice, Great Tits or a couple of old Ducks............! ? ?
Am i the only one that finds the senna beautiful. You can just see how much the engineers went off on the car and that is exactly what makes it look so good
I do respect you preference because we all have different tastes. I'm sure you're not alone either, some people do like the Senna.
In my opinion the Senna is one of the ugliest cars ever.
I've also seen other cars that are track focused and their aerodynamics are just as good as the Senna and better looking cars too. I think they overdid the Senna with aerodynamics. But then again that's my opinion and obviously not yours, you like the Senna and that's is good man.
@@Robwilli i mean i find it beautiful but obviously there are far better looking cars out there, basically any other McLaren and many other supercars, sports cars even sedans. But i could never call it ugly. The mid engine layout, exhaust from the hood, big functional wing, wide body, relatively sleek appearance. It's not bad
Although i do agree on the overstyled part
Just got home from work, what a gift to start off my weekend.
The fact that Chris can commentate while full throttle in a 650S GT3 is incredible. Legend.
Ehh he's not amazing he's hardly won races
@@eddie1683 You don't need to win a race to be an amazing driver. You realise that even the worst footballer in Premier League is better than an average person, the worst driver in Formula 1 is probably in top 50 of drivers etc. Just being able to participate in an event like this means you are better than 99% of the population.
@@stevec6232 He said the car was understeering. It looked like the car didn't wan to do what he said, like a spoiled 5 years old kid.
"I think it looks like a dog's dinner!"
Classic Chris 🤣
Neil Todankar no need to confirm - he means after it has been eaten ...🐕 💩
I think he's wrong, the Senna is one of the most beautiful vehicles I've ever seen
@@micrograham its his opinion, you dont have to agree with what he says...
@MRTracing Geez, in his opinion he's wrong. What's wrong with that?
@@micrograham stevie wonder, is that you??!
for the price of a senna, buy a gt3 mclaren for the track and 720s for the road.
Senna would hold much more resale value tho.. but getting your hands on one isn't a walk in the park either.
I totally agree with you. The Senna is one ugly car 🤮. Is not a bad car, just terrible ugly.
harlyx64 It isn’t about resale value. It’s about track performance. The McLaren F1 has the best resale value out of all of them anyways.
@@AustinG29152 the mclaren f1 has a lot of hidden costs just to keep though
Gt3 racing soon adds up and parts aren't cheap.
They aren't built to last long either, neither are tires
He's slower in the Senna because he wasn't wearing gloves.
_Obviously._
Also, the GT car had stickers.
@@RS8715 +40bhp instantly
@@blazed6644 At least 50hp per sticker
@Ed Gein What do you mean? He doesn't sweat any oils.
Is gloves needed for grip on the steering wheel?
He deserves top dollar for saving your asses from complete failure. Very lucky chris is so likeable.
What has he saved them from? The show is a pale reflection of what it once was.
@@BobHatesUA-cam what i mean is with chris atleast guys like us click on the videos. The other guys purely talk out of their asses. They treat the show as if its purely a business. Zero real emotion to it. Even chris is guilty sometimes of weird contradictions and classic journalist filler bs but atleast his reviews are 95% proper. Probably one of the most honest in the industry and he truely deserves praise for saving this mess of a show.
Why save our asses?. There will not be a huge long line of people commenting here to buy a Senna or a GT3 car.
@@scotty193 He's talking about the show!
Chris Harris is the best motoring journalist on the planet atm. Another fantastic video by Chris, Neil, and Chris
Atticus J.B. He is shit
@@montaguemathew1775 yeah he's not a good race car driver if you think about it he hardly wins anything
*Old top gear crew says hi*
@@harisjamil8418 get over it already, it’s been a long time already
@@GoldenEDM_2018 dude, they’re actually terrible. If you look back at their shows, it’s so much forced comedy that it didn’t age that well, to the point of being cringe. Plus, their reviews were 95% supercars (apart from May which was the sensible one), and let’s be honest, most of TG audience will never afford/drive/even see the cars featured on the power board. I know nostalgia is a powerful thing, but Chris Harris is leaps and bounds ahead of them, is an actual race driver and is so much more likeable, even when he’s acting like a prick for show purposes.
Love the truthfulness of the review especially given that his GT3 car is a McLaren. Keep Up the Quality Content!
“Just a different gravy” lol
7:19
Nobody does car content like Chris Harris long live Chris
Don't you love the sound of the gt3 engine while accelerating...
You're mostly hearing the straight cut gears.
Transmission*. In terms of the onboard footage at least.
@@dln.sweeney (the gears are straight cut and are contained in the transmission)
@@jameswhitehead6758 Never said they weren't. I was replying to the OP and didn't see your comment.
HyperLeafBlower True it's actually the gears themselves (inside of the transmission) that make that sound. They are straight cut instead of helical like road cars.
Chris is by far the best automotive journalist out there. A real driver's driver, and always honest in his reviews.
Isn't he just? I'm constantly disappointed by the pretty(¬ so pretty) boys, and one or two girls with their car review videos, and though they manage to get their hands on some incredible cars, they're wasted on them because it's pretty clear that they know very little about cars, and worst of all, they don't even know how to drive, so they never drive the cars as intended, as Chris does
really unique insight...have not seen this depth and creativity of comparison from any other auto commentator
Josh Cartu once said his 458 Challenge car was 10 seconds faster around Spa (if i remember correctly) than his LaFerrari. No matter how you slice it, road cars will never beat race cars. The compromises needed to make a car road legal and comfortable enough to drive it in traffic are too limiting.
Probably the only intelligent thing I've heard that guy saying. Is he still hiding in Russia after his scums broke out? I mean, you could have told miles away that guy was fishy
The fact that he got within 7 seconds of the 650s gt3 car, on road tyres don’t forget! is pretty impressive in my book. It makes me think what time it would of posted on slicks 🤔
imagine being a cool guy in your Lambo coming to track day and then there is Chris Harris driving a SENNA and GT3 car like its nothing
great vid guys
Lol but hes not really one of the best
and he is being paid to do it too
i'm still at the part of imagining myself being a cool guy with a Lambo. Can't get any further.
Hahah, was thinking the same. Imagine some douchebag “oOh i gOt a pOrScHe i’M tHe beEs kNeeS” and then he gets smoked by the GT3 like he s nothing 😂
Love how honest he is, if there's something to note he won't be afraid to point It out. Rather than showering it with 100% praise.
The Senna sounds like a 4-cyl tuned Honda
...which doesn't sound necessarily BAD, but not what I'd expect for the price.
You gotta hear the engine in real life. I have heard the 4L tt at full tilt and it sounds pretty mean. Not an lfa or 812 but still sounds alot better than a 4cl honda. Unless were talking 350hp na k24 builds revving 10k rpms.
@@followthegrow108 Yeah hearing a fully built K with ITB's was life changing. Amazing sound from a 4 cylinder and it's kinda mindblowing the difference in sound just adding ITB's can make.
Perfect video..once again!👌 And you could just see and feel the understeer in the Senna during the timed lap. I guess it’s set up “safe” for the non-racecar drivers.
Senna looked more angry and stubborn. Just like a big brother
Great to see a TG host that can Driiiiiiive.
wow, I love that honesty at the end, basically.....screw the Senna for that money😂😂😂
Pretty much. The Senna is better left chilling in a show room going up in value and use a real race car to have fun on the track.
Such ability: focus on the track and commenting at the same time
I absolutely love the sound of that straight cut gearbox in the GT3 car 😍
This might be the best video to be uploaded on this channel this year. Nice track day.
Slick tyres make a HUGE difference, to make this comparison worthwhile they needed to be shod with similar rubber...
I thought the same. If McLaren are saying it's as fast as a GT3 they're obviously referring to a race track and therefore slick tyres. I'm sure the ultimate conclusion would still be that it's slower but perhaps not as blatantly
It would make a difference, but not 7 seconds. Plus it’s breaking point is still much earlier than where the GT3 would be. Makes sense, the GT3 is a purpose built race car.
Yes... exactly...
Austin Green Oliver webb has a video of him doing a 106.38 in a senna on the same exact track and course, about 3 seconds faster than Chris
If both had the same rubber it wouldnt be a GT3 car vs a Senna comparison...
Great to see Chris driving again. I'm pretty sure with his sponsors, fans, and support he could host his own show on his own channel. No bullshit. Just Chris doing what he loves.
Yeah, he could call it Chris Harris On Cars. Like the channel he owned before top gear
Brutally honest! What would happen if the Senna had slicks?
What would happen if you removed the homologation parts from the gt3 car?
(remove ballast and air restrictors)
But you're right, i'd love to see that.
Chris Harris is just the guy that can say what is right and not in a car like the Senna. This guy knows what he is talking about and I respect him for his passion and skills. Chris thank you that you exist and thank you for your work.
0:32 Just Posting This Time Stamp Here,Just Keep Scrollin'
245 at the front is ridiculous... My '95 M3 has 245
Yep totally brain dead logic by mclaren!! Lets use 245 so its drivable on the road but we're making our most track focused road car ever.... a corvette grand sport has more lateral grip at lower speeds than a senna which is laughable.
I think McLaren engineers know more than all of us
@@xm3ntal620 such a bullshit argument. If manufacturer engineers knew best an aftermarket literally wouldn't exist.
@@darkchild130 for the most part aftermarket is terrible. If you want to make shit unreliable buy aftermarket stuff. Aftermarket exists because there aren't price ceilings that manufacturers need to meet to make a profit. Most of it is a luxury. Although, I'm sure McLaren isn't skimping on mm's of tire to pinch pennies. It's because that's what they have learned works best through testing within the confines of availability, turn-in, balance, grip, rolling resistance, treadwear etc etc.
@@darkchild130 After Market is taking a great piece of engineering and trying to blow it up saying weell sorry you fitted the massive turbo...manufacturers build shit to do 300,000 miles not to work then blow, they could make that car 1000bhp, but how long does it last
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My type r has a 245 front tyre as standard. I'm also for making road cars nice on the road but in something as specialised as a Senna surely bit of tramlining can be tolerated.
I have 315 fronts on my vette and it's perfectly behaved on the road
I reckon they've deliberately tuned the car on the understeer side so as to make it more controllable for the more average driver who will likely buy the car. They'll never come as close to the limits as in this video and hence never be disappointed.
But quite a few owners were disappointed with the understeer...
They literally put Senna's name on the car.... And then they put these crappily narrow tyres (that bottleneck everything!) on it so that their rich idiot customer clique wont complain about lack of comfort driving their everyday car to brag around town with.
Best car journalist out, not many of them breaking down the actual nitty gritty ins and outs of a car while pedaling it to the limit!! 🤘
No doubt the GT3 car is faster, but for the interest of the test it would be cool if they were on the same tire
Sure, but the Senna was pushed as being as fast as a GT3 car from the factory, so why would it have to have different tires
If they made the Senna road illegal by putting slicks they should also make the GT3 car race illegal by removing the ballast and derestricting the engine
Tyre
Tire
Another great video from the brillian mr.Harris! Thank you!
Can we seen GT2 RS vs Senna ?
The gt2 doesnt compete with the senna...
@@WeirdBrick and a gt3 race car does?
There is already a video of it beating it on the same exact track on LoveCars channel, it was more than 2 seconds faster if I remember
@@haydenmarks2895 Porsche's 911 GT2 is called that because GT2 is a marketing term, or a model name, if you will. The 911 GT2 (at least the way most people use the term) isn't actually a GT2 category race car, it's just a very very fast sports car.
No, the 911 GT2 RS wouldn't compete at all with an actual GT3 racer, let alone a GT2 racer. Vs. the Senna is a fairer comparison (though as others have said, it probably doesn't win there either).
@@MistahGamah I don't think we have gt2 racing anymore, we just got gte lm pro now
People really hating on the Sennas looks. Am I the only one who loves the cars design?
When you are endlessly scrolling and about to give up and up pops a new Chris Harris review👍🏻
brd2deth true dat
Your taste in in your arce. This car is BEAUTIFUL!
Never heard him quiet while on a hot lap before...it’s awesome just to watch a master at work and listen to the car - thankyou
damn, driven like this the senna interior got all wobbly
Might just be the vibrations going through the camera
When you start comparing fast road cars unironically to top-shelf racing machines, you can find fault in any car. Turns out the Senna needs 255+ front tires
Not a popular opinion: I think the Senna is a very beautiful and striking car!
Pranav hegde Agreed...it’s nice to know I’m not all alone...lol! I will always choose function over form.
@@BoilerBloodline so do i but i cant help but notice that a 650s with some fairly basic aero just absolutely smoked the Senna. Obviously the aero isnt doing nothing but it definitely smells a bit like pseudo aerodynamics and marketing.
Michael Cliff Wait? Where is said video? And are you talking on a track or in a straight line? I couldn’t care less about straight line speed. All the aero is for a track. The Senna has smoked every other road legal car I know of and some non-road legal cars.
@@BoilerBloodline this video, the gt3 car is a 650s with some basic aero really. Single element rear wing, nothing active, nothing really crazy in terms of slots and vents. Chris says it too that the 650 is being pushed way harder into the track than the aero than the senna. Ignoring power, weight, and tire advantages either way and the resulting time if you like but the man himself says that just in terms of aero the 650 wins.
Michael Cliff Well sure but it’s a GT3 car and not road legal. I mean you can strip weight, add aero and an engine to just about anything and make it really fast. I just know there hasn’t been many cars pull lap times faster than the Senna. On The Grand Tour it set the fastest lap by a considerable margin even beating the track only Aston Martin Vulcan’s time.
i really like the uncut fast laps. that's awesome and relaxing to watch
Interesting, almost identical to the lap time difference I saw when I did this test at Thermal Raceway. The Senna on stock Trofeo R's ran 2:37.8, the GT3 on Michelin mediums ran 1:29.2
Haha the opening alone earned my thumbs up...it sure isn’t the most beautiful car, but I respect it
Chris Harris is different gravy
5:24 "It's lacking some size in that area." That statement gave me flashbacks to the first time my wife saw me without undies." 😂🤣
why are you so brutally honest. lol
@@jonathanchen4109 Character flaw. 😁
Great Vid. I get stuck on how Harris it is that he does a piece to camera with his balaclava on nearly sideways. Driver first, second and forever, TV presenter as an absolute afterthought.
Love it.
Audio is fantastic. Love the rumble strip sound. Feels like I'm in there.
feel the same
This Chris Harris video is beautiful, as always...
I missed sitting down on a Friday to eat and watch a C. Harris review.
At "only" 7 secs on Trofeos, that is very impressive. Closing that gap should be very possible with slicks. Either way, getting to watch Chris do what the rest of the industry is to jaded and scared to do once again...is priceless. Thank you Chris!!! The industry and the fans NEED you.
Weirdly, I love the way this thing looks! Purposeful, no nonsense, seriously quick. And certainly different.
I like how he speaks without saying “ugh” very good commentary.
Chris: Neil! Where's my race suit?
Neil: What?
Chris: WHERE. IS. MY. RACE SUIT?
Neil: I put it away!
It just had to be Chris Harris to highlight the Senna. A perfect match
Yep you could buy an LMP4 for £150K from Ligier and just do track days.
Arrow Racing Products they sell those?
@@StevenSanchez_95 yes... Kind of... I don't know exactly how it works... But you can buy a gt3 car
Love the old school Chris Harris video style. It is this weird feeling of watching a 5-years-old video about a car that came out this year.
Brutal honesty!The way all reporting should be done ,thanks mate!
Rest In Paradise Ayrton Senna 🙏🏽
damn i was always asking myself this question! Nice video!
And now what? U have a better life , after u know the answear?😂😂😂
last time I was this early Chris wasn't on Top Gear!
Those were the good days !!! When top gear wasn't just about statistics
A racing stripe on the Senna would have more than made up for that 7 second gap
How can some people watch this video & dislike it,420 did!!, so you have to ask the question why did they bother watching in the first place? Chris's car reviews are for my money, quite simply the best shown on UA-cam,PERIOD.
You forgot to add the BOP weight on the GT3!
"The McLaren Senna is as ugly as it is fast"
Great, you just pissed off every Senna fan and every Brazilian.
Do you mean Britain?😂
Senna should’ve had slick tires as they make a big difference and it would’ve made the comparison more “equal”.
Milourime The senna still wouldn’t be able to carry the same speed out of the corners. Plus it would have to brake much earlier than the GT3 car, without the same cornering speed.
It is not meant to be equal. The Senna is a road car, and McLaren says that it's as fast as a GT3 car...it just doesn't.
@10:16 - love the high-tech G-force indicator on top of the central control panel
Chris Harris and Jonny Smith should have their own tv show. Both passionate, informative & knowledgable a proper consumer program. 👍🏻👌
You could also swap the tyres in see what happens lol
2 second difference at most
the slicks probably make most of the difference
Definitely wouldn’t make up a 7 second difference. Anything over 2 seconds slower is miles behind.
Austin Green Oliver webb has a video of him doing a 106.38 in a senna on the same exact track and course, about 3 seconds faster than Chris soooo
@@VerticalStrafes hard to compare different days with different cars. Conditions/temperatures/humidity also play a big role.
Bit more fair comparison would've been the Senna with slicks as well.
A set of slicks on the Senna isn't going to close a 7 second gap. It would pickup 3 seconds at best. Had it been a GT4 car the Senna was pitted against, then a set of slicks "might have" evened it out. Even hyper cars are no match for full-on race cars.
@@tayl0rd553 I agree! Just saying it would've been bit more fair.
Max 2 or 3 second ..
Feels like I'm watching & listening to a scientific review for the layman....thanks Chris
Chris is mint, always liked him since his own videos on here, genuine, down to earth fella!
quality an no BS respect!
The Senna isn't ugly at all! It looks stunning!
You’re in the minority. Majority of car enthusiasts who understand symmetry, proportions and lines with say the Senna is all wrong. It’s not only ugly, it’s fugly
@@razerone49 as in "functional but still ugly".
I'm deeply unimpressed with it to look at....
Mind you, I've seen the 2020 Chevrolet Corvette 😮
Seen it in person. It's actually so ugly it's beautiful.
I mean people didn’t ACTUALLY think a road-legal car would be quicker than a GT3 car, did they?
Well Aston is claiming that the Valkyrie is going to be quicker around a track than a F1 car... That remains to be seen
@@BriggsianAt best faster than a 2016 F1 car.
@@IschChef That'd still be incredibly impressive. The thing is, I know R-comound tires are pretty crazy nowadays, but I just don't see how they're expecting to compete against racing slicks on a car that weighs much less?
@@dons1932 Maybe it would have understeered too much with a wider setup up front, or it could have been too twitchy? Hard to say. Be a great question for the engineers
@@Briggsian No I think it has to do with the electronic axle trickery. The race cars use 275, 335 in the same structure. McLaren claim there is some front / rear electrical balance, and combined with the electro-hydro steering, I'd bet it's limited as to what it can actually deal with, to balance front and rear grip. Think of it like Porsche rear steer, but without the rears ACTUALLY steering, but the ECU calculating the split between F and R and adjusting accordingly. Very typical McLaren trickery. And also why the race cars, with all electric trickeries banned, can just use full proper width sizes for mechanical grip.
I think the Valkryie has a genuine half a chance of being as quick as its claims, because it basically IS an F1 car with guards by design. This thing is just a souped up P1. And a P1 GTR would absolutely slaughter it, let alone an off the shelf GT3 Macca.
Benjamin Slossen did this Test also before and compare his 488 GT 3 with his Senna. Ferrari was 8 seconds faster.
Comparing a road-going car with road tires to as race car with slicks? What's next compare the Senna's 0-60 with a Top Fuel Dragster???
Every Chris Harris Drives video is pure excellence.
Imagine putting along in your average 911 and Chris Harris blows by you in a Senna 😱
Imagine putting along in your average Senna and Chris Harris blows by you in a GT3 car
Imagine being in your 911 and Sabine passes you in a van on the Nurbergring
Since these are really track cars....I would take the Senna. Chris Harris has the best job ever lol!
It was certainly a fair comparison given that it stemmed from McLaren's own claim.
no matter how strong the brakes are，braking force has to go through tires，especially front tires.
those 245 front trofeo rs are huge limit,low mechanical grip means low speed，low speed means less downforce，less downforce means less grip，less grip means less speed，less speed means less downforce，it is just a terrible loop for high downforce cars.
Great comparison Chris. I'm thinking slicks on the Senna might give it another 2-3 sec on that track right? It's still a road car versus a race car which we typically know the outcome. Fun to watch.