Mazdaspeed 3/6 - Aux Fuel Methods - Port Injection - 5th & 6th Port - Methanol Injection
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- In this video I talk about the limitations of the stock fuel system in the Mazdaspeed 3/6, as well as the Aux Fuel systems available on the market. Due to the fact that there are no upgraded injectors for the 2.3L MZR DISI engines, the only way to get more fuel into the engine is to run an external fuel injection system. This provides more available fuel when running higher boost pressures to make more power. Based on what we've read, there are 3 main ways to get more fuel into the engine. Methanol Injection, 5th/6th Port injection, and Full Port injection. Enjoy the video! Please like, share, and subscribe :)
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I have a dw65c in my tank already, I figure I’ll just get a surge tank setup with another dw65c in it
Most guys use a surge tank so that they can install a much larger and capable fuel pump inside it. A surge tank also serves as a way to ensure u have sufficient fuel delivery even if your gas tank is near empty, so using a dw65c to supply a surge tank with a dw65c in it, would only be beneficial when your gas tank is near empty, and wouldn't deliver 'more' fuel so to speak lol. Check out Tuned by Nishans videos. He's got a lot of good info on his channel :)
How is your car handling so much power on stock block ? Im rolling 285hp and 400nm of torque and I am afraid of bending rods. 18-19.50 PSI
The stock block will last a long time with a good tune and regular maintenance and care :)
Stay below 500Nm peak torque (3300-4000rpm) and and not make more than 400Nm below 3000rpm and you'll be fine with the rods. However make sure you're using good oil, that is a very important aspect. the stock block can handle above 400bhp as long as you keep the torque in check. If you go above 350-380bhp depending on the timing you can run, or more exactly around 345-365g/s of air depending on what AFRs you can run with the gas you have access to (I suggest using a WMI system with any turbo larger than the factory K04, and even with that it's a good idea to spray at least water of not water/methanol mix).
@@mituc Indeed, the only thing I'd add, specifically, is for the boost/torque curve and onset to be properly calibrated by the tuner, and for the driver to not go WOT under 3k, nor ever in 6th gear if you're tuned for stock-block power (~500whp max - though that's borrowed time, and ~380wtq max).
@@numinous4789 , The problem with high power on stock block is heat which affects pistons and ringlands. WOT below 3k is a potential issue even on the stock tune, but with a larger turbo it becomes kind of a non-issue because the torque comes in more gradually rather than suddenly and you can tune the peak of the torque curve away from 2700-3200 where rods tend to break.
There are 2-3 people in the Mazdaspeed community who had 500-550 hp on stock blocks. They lasted 3 weeks of mid abbuse. However 350-420 with a proper spray of WMI (better than in-tank methanol or ethanol mixes IMHO) is usable for a much longer time.
im running almost 380 with the bnrs3 and im stock block as well
new subscriber, any chance you could do a price breakdown on what you've done so far? either everything you've bought or, like you mentioned a few videos ago that there are mods you regret buying as you have replaced them, just the mods you currently have on the car. if this has already been done, if anyone could direct me to that would be great. love the channel, keep it up!
any downsides to runnning 6th port with 2000cc injectors for more headroom with this set up?
None that I'm aware of, but having an even flowing intake manifold is a good idea to promote even fuel dispersion between cylinders, and aside from figuring out custom cold side plumbing, the fuel is delivered accurately before the throttle body which also cools down the boost air temps slightly :)
Happy new year bud!!! Thanks for the informative video. Looking forward to see what you do next :)
Happy New Year! :)
Hey bro! Im Shaun I own an 07 Mazdaspeed 3. My motor still runs great and all since I bought the car a year ago. Its got 220000 kms. I was curious as to, when will I know to do a VVTI and timing chain replacement? I asked the previous owner, (there has only been 3 owners and I am the last one) if he did a vvti and timing chain replacement and he said no he did not... and I don’t know the owner before him... so I can’t really find out. So when should I do a VVTI and timing chain replacement? And how do I know if I need to or not? And how can I check & tell if it has possibly been done already?
Thanks man
Btw im in the GTA too maybe we could go for a cruise and do a videoshoot or something of our speed3’s lol. :p in the summer
Hey man one way to tell is to remove the oil filler cap and check the chain for excessive slack. Also, at startup u will hear a momentary rattle caused by a loose chain hitting the valve cover :)
Wannabe Tuners thanks for letting me know! I will check that!
@@shaunpermanand You got it!
Good, informative video, guys.
Eric, what are your ultimate goals with the speed?
Thanks a lot! I'd like to eventually tune it to 400 whp with a conservative torque curve on the stock block. After a while I'd like to eventually build the existing block, or build a block on the side for convenience, and then push for higher peak numbers. The goal is to have a solid, fun reliable street car, since it doesn't see the track very often :)
Great content!!!! I was leaning towards meth but now I’m going for the 6th port. “More boost with sufficient fueling instead of meth and pushing IDC to the limits”. Thank you guys!!!!
I have a gun1 09 3 on a BNR s5 set up and I have just older jmf v1 with the 4 port meth I want to run 4 do5 nozzles so I and try and get over 30psi
Great video very good content and details this is the video that a lot of speed owners don’t touch on.
This is a video long overdue
The qui to making power on these cars is adding more fuel
Can’t wait to see a step by step video on how to setup auxiliary fuel
I want 6th port but i also want the methanol cooling capabilities
You can always run a separate fuel cell that contains pure methanol and run that to compatible port injectors. I'm currently just mixing 2 gallons of methanol per tank of 94 octane through 6th port and it's been pretty good so far, however I'd recommend full port injection (1 injector per runner) for the best possible fuel distribution :)
@@WannabeTuners sorry i meant to say i want 8th port but with the cooling capabilities of methanol i can’t seen to find a whole lot of people doing so my build should push about 650/700
@@brotherhood_ofstreetracers4268 You can always run an E85 mix. The thing I like about methanol is that I can buy it at the local hardware store and it's always 100% pure, so it takes the guess work out of figuring out the mix. From what I've heard E85 can vary in ethanol concentration during certain times of the year in areas that sell it. My area doesn't have gas stations that sell E85, so methanol is an easy alternative for me.
Aye bud you guys are great. A lot of good information put out in a way which feels like we're all figuring it out and discussing it together. Keep doing what you're doing. I look forward to seeing more. I'm in a 07 ms3 with a lot of the same parts falling short of an aux system but with any luck that will be in the works soon
Thanks for the kind words :) The Mazdaspeed 2.3L MZR DISI platform has come a long way since it's release, and it's nice to see that we now have the potential to make over 700+ whp with the right setup quite easily. A lot of this information is scattered all over the internet, and just requires a bit of searching. The Pro Tuners for this platform have been having huge success, and we can thank them for their dedication and hard work. We intend to continue sharing knowledge and our own experiences through this channel, and hope that Mazdaspeed enthusiasts such as yourself find it useful :)
I had no compression in cylinder 3 on my old motor and my car sounded like a subaru but no signs of a damaged block. Is the motor still good for a rebuild? Any input will help thanx.
Usually low compression on these engines indicates a cracked ringland. I would do a leak down test with the engine fully warmed up to get a better idea on what could be damaged inside the engine :)
How much was the speed performance fuel kit cost and witch one?
I ordered it right off of their website. They charge just under a grand. Great kit so far with no issues:)
Goodjob dude ! Great video as always ! (Qc_whiteegenn1)❤️
Thanks dude :)
Also I'm torn between running a surge tank setup in the trunk and upgrade the stock in tank fuel pump as well or just run a dual in tank pump setup :)
Yeah I hear ya! Surge tanks definitely have their benefits. Tuned by nishan has a really good video on this m.ua-cam.com/video/-4jpD5n2LYU/v-deo.html
Great info man just got into my ‘13 speed 3, new subscriber forsure 👌🏼
Thanks brother! If you've got any questions, DM us on Instagram @wannabe_tuners :)
Thanks for the video's man i have a speed 3 to👌
I’m going top mount setup on my speed6 and I’m just having a little difficulty figuring out the auxiliary fuel options
Speed performance seems to offer the right setup but at a high price
I think the easiest and least expensive way is methanol injection, because there are very few parts. A simple throttle body spacer with 1 or 2 large nozzles can deliver a tonne of fuel. But then u have to look after a second tank and pump, and fuel delivery may not be as precise as an actual fuel injector. I can tell u that when we installed the 6th port kit into our car, the custom cold side plumbing was a pain, having to figure out where to put the BPV and all the bends. With full port injection, u wouldn't not need to struggle with custom plumbing like on the 5th/6th port kit, and it may be worth the slightly higher price tag. Also, having to run custom cold side plumbing adds to the price of a 5th/6th port kit. We have noticed that the 6th port kit does indeed cool the boost air temps quite a bit which is beneficial, although probably not as good as methanol would :)
@@WannabeTuners I appreciate the help and advice . I do agree methanol is the cheapest way to go but it has its limits. I'm definitely going full port injection just having a hard time deciding
Weather to go with damondmotorsport ford focus adapter kit with the focus manifold or the port injection adapter manifold that they also just released which utilize our Stock manifold or Corksport manifold. I really like the Corksport Intake manifold because of the design flow and it retain that stock stealth look. I'm still on stock block and my goal is to keep things around the 500hp range 490ish . Any suggestions on which manifold to go with
@@Mazdaspeedgarage I like the corksport manifold because everything stays in the stock location, even the dip stick bracket :) They also rate the flow imbalance at around 2% which is just as good as the ST manifold. I think the CS manifold is the easiest solution
Good videos like always!! I was watching a video from my e tuner and another e tuner and they where saying that when swap out the injectors on a 6 port for 2 1000 injectors you can suffer from wet wall manifold. Basically there’s so much fuel that a lot of it stays on the walls and may create a situation where even though your giving more pulse width your not getting more fuel. They said there could also be a delay in the delivery of the fuel causing your car to lean out temporarily. I think most ppl should be fine though since their not fully maxing out the fuel with the 2 1000 injectors. Sorry for my run on sentences lol you guys are dope keep up the videos
Interesting dude! Where can I see these videos, I'm really curious about this :) Thanks!
Wannabe Tuners
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@@AlexMorales-yu1lp Sounds good man! I'll check it out
Be careful with that DW fuel pump, everyone I talked to said to stay far away from it as it doesn't last long and even has issues just operating normally. I picked up an AEM #50-1215 for my PI setup that I am piecing together.
After my run with meth, I can honestly say I wouldn't do it again. I wish I went PI from the start and scrapped the meth. My PI kit is going to run me about $1300 (for a deadhead, no return style).
So much good info in this video. I see too many people on FB asking about PI and this explains the basics quite well. I always try to spread knowledge as well.
TL;DR if you want big power, be prepared to pay for it. PI isn't cheap, but it's the safest bet for more fuel on the platform. Do your research, don't cut corners, and use the damn forums!!!!
Thanks man, I've read that also about the DW pumps, but some people have also said that they have not had any issues with it. I guess time will tell. I've also heard good things about the Aeromotive fuel pumps, but I will consider the AEM pump also if my DW ever shows signs of failure :) What happened with your meth setup?
@@WannabeTuners The Aeromotive is a great pump too. Just pricy when there are awesome comparables out there.
I've just been constantly chasing controller issues, flow issues, changing nozzles, etc. Been a pain in my ass from day one. I love the power and benefits, but it's just too finicky for my power goals.
@@bananahammock789 I completely understand. I think real injectors are much less of a headache :)
@@WannabeTuners oh yes. I ended up getting a set of ID1050X injectors with my spacer from Damond, so I know I won't have any issues.
@@bananahammock789 That's going to deliver all the fuel u need!
Happy new year guido
Happy New Year bud!
My block is blown what do you recommend on my 08 speed 3 I trust you bro!
Sorry to hear dude! I would get it rebuilt if possible with a forged bottom end. What sort of damage has your engine sustained?
Wannabe Tuners yeah my starter and a big piece of the block just broke off I think maybe it happened because of a leak of radiator not sure and thanks for responding to my messages bro
@@aldroms3life926 It's odd that the starter was damaged. Could it potentially be a clutch issue?
Wannabe Tuners no clutch is a good I don't know how or what made it happened but I do have to fix it it's my baby so a new block I will get
@@aldroms3life926 So what happened exactly?
What are your power goals?
On the stock block, no more than 400 whp :)
Thanks for the reply, you have great content and look forward to more.
@@justinhiner3782 Thanks :)
quick question, am having an issue with my speed3 gen2, when I give it/floor it the car like cuts off, but if I give it like 80% it runs just fine, any ideas on what can it be?
What's all done to the car? Are u running an Accessport? If so how do your datalogs look?
@@WannabeTuners I have an intake and cat back exausht that's how I got the car, and no I don't have an accesport yet I will be trying to get one because I also want to see if I can tune it on 91 at least.
@@elminime1 Sounds good. It could be a lot of things causing it. Unfortunately without datalogs, or the ability to monitor important parameters, it's difficult to determine a root cause. If it's a fuel pressure issue, it could be dangerous. Does the car have upgraded high pressure fuel pump internals?
@@WannabeTuners no fuel upgrades, I was thinking on doing a boost leak test and also a vacuum leak test to start.
@@elminime1 That never hurts. How would u describe the sensation of the cut out?
I am a MS3 Gen 1 owner currently running a stock KO4 turbo with plans to upgrade the turbo. Never thought about the fuel delivery system until watching your video, fascinating stuff. Question: in your opinion do you think the Full Port system would be the best way to go if I decide to run say a BNR S5 turbo upgrade? Power goals are to be 450-500 whp
Hey thanks for the comment! For that power level, either methanol injection with an adequate nozzle, or 5th/6th port will take u there. The nice thing about a proper full port injection setup is that u have the potential to make well above that if u decide to in the future, since it'll be able to deliver more fuel but is also more expensive and requires more components :)