they are popular the same way here in Denmark, Thor taking the two children with him as slaves as punishment for breaking his goat's legs is one of the things everyone in Denmark knows
I am English and these Norse tales were popular with British children as well in the 1960s. They were in my children's book of Norse mythology. I like Thor goes fishing as well. I aslo liked the one where Thor has to become a bride. I found that really funny. Do you tell that one anywhere?
I think this is my favorite old Norse myth but I didn't really appreciate it until my friend heard it for the first time. I love Thor when he is angry :D.
holy moly, i thought the story of Røskva and Tjalfe was made up for the Peter Madsen Valhalla comic books and movie as a way for the viewer to experience the valhalla world through their eyes. If you have children, you should check out the comic books and the movie as well
Every time I read a story from the Eddas or a Saga that has caught my attention, I look for your video on it. When a video exists on it, I never leave without learning something from that video. This is an older video but I hope you know how helpful these videos really are...Especially to people like me who do (almost exclusively) independent research without the benefit of an actual university.
The first time I read this story in the Encyclopædia Britannica about 50 years ago and became hooked by Norse Mythology. Around that time Marvel introduced The Mighty Thor comics and I had recently at that time suffered a broken leg. I was so pleased that a lame man could become a god fighting for right and justice. Now I have copies of the Prose and Poetic Eddas and still read these stories over and over.
His father (Farbauti) is definitely a giant, but there seems to be some debate about what his mother (Laufey) was. According to another of Dr. Crawford's videos, Laufey is mentioned in a list of Aesir goddesses; if that's the case, he's just as much a god as Thor (whose mother, Jörð, was a giant by some accounts).
colin Paterson Odin and Tyr and evening Thor are all descendants of Jötun so nice try. Loki is also called a aesir in Skáldskaparmál. Not to mention he has blood brotherhood with Odin which adopts him as one regardless.
I grew up in a housing association, a communal farm, that we called Udgården. We had some old trees hit by elms decease that was turned into sculptures of Ođinn, Frigga, Jormungandr, and Huginn and Muninn. We also jokingly refer to each other as "fellow jotuns."
I am huge fan of your videos, dr Crawford, you do us a great service by sharing your knowledge. Could you possibly do a video on berserkers? I've heard people assert that the modern conception of the berserker is not historically correct and I'm curious what the classical literature says about them.
A comment about the grandmother using Jiu-Jitsu, there's a form of Icelandic wrestling that dates back to medieval times called Glima, meaning Gleam or Flash, implying that this form of wrestling is not designed for long drawn out struggles that modern wrestling can turn into. Medieval wrestling probably did look more like Judo and Jiu-Jitsu than what we think of as wrestling. Also, medieval wrestling and grappling would have been designed to complement weapon fighting, keep in mind that by law, free men were required to carry a weapon at all times. Taking someone to the knee would have been considered enough of an advantage to finish them off with sword or saex, thus ending the wrestling match. This is again, more similar to the roots of Japanese martial arts than to modern sport fighting.
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One of my favorite norse story. I've first read it in Neil Gaiman's Norse mythology book. It was slightly different (as for example the child slave was a giant, and the grandma was the wetnurse ) , but i guess thats due to the story being orally spread. More people= more versions. I love you're videos, Mr.Jackson. Absolutely amazing to learn and listen to these stories from a professional who has deep knowledge. You're translations always awe-me. Thank you.
After having consumed this entertaining info I'll share with my Swedish relatives that "hugskott" means what it does because it actually contains the Vikings' word for thought!😃👍👌👏
It seems particularly generous to me. Two kids for one goat and nobody dies? That's more than reasonable. :) Also, tbf slave doesn't seem to mean as bad as we are used to thinking of in this context and society. The slavery examples we think of are some of the cruellest in history. Doesn't make it right, but it's something. Presumably the kids get to go live and grow up in Ásgarð, which is probably better than living on a regular farm. They're bound to eat better and now they've got legendary company. It also doesn't seem as though Thor is cruel or bossy towards them from what is seen in just this story. Ofc they're never mentioned again, so we have no way of knowing. It's not the sort of thing that needed more explanation to the audience of the time. It was just the sort of thing that happens. Again, doesn't make it right, but it's something.
I love this story. One of my favorites. Just goes to show that no matter how tough you are, there's always someone out there who can best you Also, I have a question for anyone who can answer it. I'm thinking about getting a tattoo which reads "knowledge " written in younger futhark runes, as knowledge is probably the thing I treasure more than anything. However, I've come across the words fróðleikr, kunnandi, kunnusta, and skyn. All of which are listed to mean knowledge. I can't find any information saying if the context determine the use, or if the forms are interchangeable.
I, I swear it's just the onions I'm chopping up for dinner that's causing me to tear up, but that's one of my favorite tales from the Norse. Always makes me think... Speaking of think, not just could Loki and Utgard Loki be related but could the thought which could not be outran and the thought which is one of the ravens to Odin be kindred spirits to say? Not only that but being as not even the gods could traverse far into the Utgard, what does that mean for the mortals? I'm no flat Earther but this story does make me question the limits of mankind's reach into the outer space... Again, all comments are welcomed. Have a great evening everyone.
I like the moral of this story. It tells us to be proud of our achievements, and to be unafraid of any challenge. Even if a task seems impossible, you might still lift the serpent. The translation is so odd regarding Utgard-Loki and his relationship to the Loki of Asgard. I wonder if the original transcriber was mistaken, maybe, to include the former in with the story. Perhaps he meant Tyr, or someone similar? Maybe Christian monks have off days at work, too...
Ahhhh, all I wanted to do was hear the pronunciation of what I named my largest knife I have. Over 8 inches of metallic death. I named the knife Utgard Logi. I guess I messed up the story in my head. Eh, I'm keeping it. I just wanted to make sure I was pronouncing Utgard right.
I'm a bit late to the party but I still thought it was relevant to share with you a great danish movie I recently watched, named Valhalla (2019) which portrays a lot of what's mentioned here by Dr. Jackson Crawford.
And here I thought that this story was just a story filler for the Danish cartoon (and comic series) called "Valhalla"... however, it seems like it's very accurate. If you haven't watched it, I would highly recommend it
"Hey Thor, let's be reasonable here. How about instead of you *murdering my entire family because one of your goats are lame* you can just take my children as slaves for life!" Yeah . . . man of the people he was. Anyways, I loved the video as always!
They did a crime against him, which must be righted one way or another. It's payment so that he doesn't have to exact blood vengeance. It's as much a social/legal requirement as it is allaying his anger. If he merely forgave them it would cause social problems for both, so it's not an option.
2:22 "These are some aspects of Thor that are not often seen in popular culture." Have you ever seen the Danish animated movie "Valhalla"? For a children's cartoon it's actually a fairly accurate, if abridged, depiction of the events you talk about in this video, lame goats and child slaves and all.
I have a thought: The four tests is equal (=) to the four children of loke. Lokes child = test: midgaards worm = midgaards worm disguised as a cat.(easy) hella = ella (death old age, time) Fire (logi) = Fenris the all consuming wolf who swallows all. thought(hugi) = Sleipner(not of the same batch as the other three but the 8 legs means speed witch is the attribute of thought in this context). theres (in some version) a fifth quest where roskva cries a gains a river but that ill ignore... not fitting this idea =P
Hello Mr Crawford, we are creating a small indie game regarding this wonderful nordic story. Could you please tell us if the name "Utgardr" is correct to indicate the old citadel of the giants in Jotunheimr? Also we want to use it in the name of the game and it need to be as it should be meant to be written ^^ Thanks in advance and have a wonderful day professor.
I remember reading many years ago that Loki was a Frost Giant and thus could not be of the Aesir . Given the fighting occurring between Aesir and Frost Giants,possibly Loki the trickster has ambivalence towards his companions. Is it mentioned in any of Dr. Crawford's lectures I have not listened to if Loki's parents were identified ?
Hey Dr. Crawford do you have any recommendations on *cheap resources to learn linguistics? I am in a Scottish uni so there are no outside courses for me in my junior year (I am doing history), but I love linguistics as a hobby/interest. Books/web resources are what I am primarily thinking of but any recommendation is welcome.
To clarify I mean the scholarly study of languages (their mechanics and such), not learning to speak any individual language. I do use Duolingo for studying to speak languages.
I do have a language related question and hope it gets seen, but it probably won't. Here's hoping anyway. What is the difference between "Eldr" and "Logi". Both mean fire? Do they mean different types of fire or different intensities of fire? I have heard Logi described as "a wildfire", so I was wondering if that has any basis in Old Norse. I find it curious and interesting that they might have two different names for different types of fire. I do think it makes sense for them to, but it's just something that is different than what I am used to.
I know this is old, but still wanted to answer Eldr (or modern Icelandic eldur) is fire, but as he says in the video Logi means flame (as it still does in modern Icelandic). So the difference is pretty much the same as between English "fire" and "flame". I don't think there has ever been any such distinction of wildfire vs not-wildfire, not sure where that translation comes from. f.ex. Icelandic kertalogi is candleflame, the flame that burns in candles (not described as fire usually). The verb "að loga" is used to mean "to burn" in the meaning of flames (also means to be giving off light, such as modern lights) while "að brenna" means "to burn" in the meaning of something burning, wood or anything flammable, used less with light-giving flames and more with the fire in the fireplace.
I've heard claims that this tale is a bit of a distorted one in the particular sense that Utgardr-Loki was regular, standard-issue Loki in an original or earlier version, and he was given that epithet so that Loki could be in the story. How plausible is this - at least the idea of Utgardr-Loki & Loki being the same at some point at least?
It is not impossible, almost nothing is when it comes to these things because of how little we know, but I personally find it unlikely. More likely I think the reason for Úgarða-Loki to share the same name as Loki has to do with the etymology of Loki While there has been a common misconception that Loki is related to Logi (and that Loki is associated with fire), this is highly unlikely to the extreme, as Loki has nothing to do with fire in the original myths. Rather, the most likely etymology is that Loki comes from the same word root as "lock" (both in the meaning of a lock of hair, and a lock on a door) This root seems to have originally have some meaning related to binding, or tangling. From that we have the meaning to close (a meaning seen in old norse) through the meaning to bind something close, and from close we get the meaning to lock in English, as well as the meaning to finish in old norse (to close something =. to finish something). We also have words such as lokkanet for a spiderweb, probably because the spider binds or tangles (i.e. weaves) the net. And of course, a lock of hair, self explanatory This all seems to indicate that the name Loki most likely originally meant something along the lines of someone who binds, entangles or weaves, i.e. someone who creates (or weaves) lies or illusions to trap people in, that is to say a trickster. If so, then Loki might've originally been a word that simply means trickster, which might mean that Útgarða-Loki is called so because he is also a trickster (as evident in this story). They have the same name because originally that name was a title, a description of what they are/what they do. And they do the same thing. So that is my theory, Loki and Útgarða-Loki have the same name because they are both the same thing: tricksters. And when some original proto version of this story first came to play, "loki" was still a general word with that meaning. Which might mean that Loki had some other name that was lost, replaced by a title/description, but that is not new for gods. Týr's name literally just means "god", and Freyja/Freyr mean lady/lord respectively. (sorry for the word vomit, didn't mean for the comment to get that long. kinda bad at being brief about my thoughts xp)
My friend and former co-student got a very distinct impression that the Norse Jotunheimr was in the north of Norway so maybe not quite so close to your current surroundings ;)
"disguise himself as a regular metal-head" - was the moment when I pressed the thumbs-up button
I love the deadpan
Lol!
As a metalhead can confirm accurate when I looked down when he said that and saw the hammer.
Helllll yeeeee "let's be reasonable mr Thor, take my children as slaves for forever" lmao
I remember reading this story when I was little. They are pretty popular as fairytales here (I'm Swedish). I also like the one where he goes fishing.
Also remember this story from my childhood late 70s early 80s
Norway.
they are popular the same way here in Denmark, Thor taking the two children with him as slaves as punishment for breaking his goat's legs is one of the things everyone in Denmark knows
I am English and these Norse tales were popular with British children as well in the 1960s. They were in my children's book of Norse mythology. I like Thor goes fishing as well. I aslo liked the one where Thor has to become a bride. I found that really funny. Do you tell that one anywhere?
"Oh, I just used my magic to move a mountain in front of your strikes." That explains everything.
My dad would read stories from the younger Edda for me and my brother when we were little. The one with Utgards-Loke was my favourite.
I have loved this story since childhood (1960s). Thank you for reminding me.
This was literally my favourite bedtime story as a child. Thanks for making me reminisce😊
This is one of my favourite stories from Prose Edda.
" . . .disguise himself as a regular Metal-Head . . ."
Was he wearing a black T-shirt too?
David H it the consumet, black tshirt and jeans, if its a rather good band black jeans are in order lol. 😎
And some black Docs!
David H I would love to see thor metal head disguise haha
Epic martial arts granny!
Disguise himself as an ordinary metalhead - you killed me. Thank I needed the laugh!
I think this is my favorite old Norse myth but I didn't really appreciate it until my friend heard it for the first time. I love Thor when he is angry :D.
It is one of my favourites too! :)
holy moly, i thought the story of Røskva and Tjalfe was made up for the Peter Madsen Valhalla comic books and movie as a way for the viewer to experience the valhalla world through their eyes. If you have children, you should check out the comic books and the movie as well
"Loki, Logi and Utgard-Loki" OK
Every time I read a story from the Eddas or a Saga that has caught my attention, I look for your video on it. When a video exists on it, I never leave without learning something from that video. This is an older video but I hope you know how helpful these videos really are...Especially to people like me who do (almost exclusively) independent research without the benefit of an actual university.
Hver etur hraðar en Loki?
Aðeins Logi.
Who eats faster than Loki.
Only Logi. (Fire flame)
Even though knowing the story, listening to it from you sir makes it beautiful.
Odin can disguise himself as anything and Thor only as a regular metalhead.
The first time I read this story in the Encyclopædia Britannica about 50 years ago and became hooked by Norse Mythology. Around that time Marvel introduced The Mighty Thor comics and I had recently at that time suffered a broken leg. I was so pleased that a lame man could become a god fighting for right and justice. Now I have copies of the Prose and Poetic Eddas and still read these stories over and over.
really enjoyed this story I remember reading it as a child. Thank you
Fantastic telling of the story Professor!
You should upload more stories told like this, i feel like your the only one with the knowledge to tell them correctly
Maybe Utgard-Loki's name is referring to the fact that he isn't a god but is deceitful in the same way that Loki is?
Don't forget that Loki is a giant and not a true god.
His father (Farbauti) is definitely a giant, but there seems to be some debate about what his mother (Laufey) was. According to another of Dr. Crawford's videos, Laufey is mentioned in a list of Aesir goddesses; if that's the case, he's just as much a god as Thor (whose mother, Jörð, was a giant by some accounts).
colin Paterson Odin and Tyr and evening Thor are all descendants of Jötun so nice try. Loki is also called a aesir in Skáldskaparmál. Not to mention he has blood brotherhood with Odin which adopts him as one regardless.
"Boga-Svalbarði er framhald á Útgarðafjöllum í Dumbshafinu." (Nova Zemlaya is a continuation of the Uralic Mountains in the Arctic Ocean.)
I remember seeing an animated short film adaptation of this as a kid.
One of my favorite stories.
I grew up in a housing association, a communal farm, that we called Udgården. We had some old trees hit by elms decease that was turned into sculptures of Ođinn, Frigga, Jormungandr, and Huginn and Muninn. We also jokingly refer to each other as "fellow jotuns."
Thanks, I got a test in a few days in Snorra edda and gylfaginning, you're helping a lot :D
This is such a great video, and now in 2020 the tricks in the ancient story that Jackson narrates have strangely fresh relevance.
Wow. answers some questions thanks for the knowledge you've shared
good yarn and explanation of the yarn. that was the clearest rendition of that story i've ever heard. thank yew gare
Thank you.🌞
I am huge fan of your videos, dr Crawford, you do us a great service by sharing your knowledge.
Could you possibly do a video on berserkers? I've heard people assert that the modern conception of the berserker is not historically correct and I'm curious what the classical literature says about them.
Dylan Wheeler dude I feel you I'm a fan as well he's a celebrity to me
If anyone deserves a patron donation it's him
A comment about the grandmother using Jiu-Jitsu, there's a form of Icelandic wrestling that dates back to medieval times called Glima, meaning Gleam or Flash, implying that this form of wrestling is not designed for long drawn out struggles that modern wrestling can turn into. Medieval wrestling probably did look more like Judo and Jiu-Jitsu than what we think of as wrestling. Also, medieval wrestling and grappling would have been designed to complement weapon fighting, keep in mind that by law, free men were required to carry a weapon at all times. Taking someone to the knee would have been considered enough of an advantage to finish them off with sword or saex, thus ending the wrestling match. This is again, more similar to the roots of Japanese martial arts than to modern sport fighting.
Unheard loki as dramatic irony. The story explains how knowing a detail can change a story
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One of my favorite norse story. I've first read it in Neil Gaiman's Norse mythology book. It was slightly different (as for example the child slave was a giant, and the grandma was the wetnurse ) , but i guess thats due to the story being orally spread. More people= more versions. I love you're videos, Mr.Jackson. Absolutely amazing to learn and listen to these stories from a professional who has deep knowledge. You're translations always awe-me. Thank you.
The story was that it was Lok Thad told the child to break the bone
After having consumed this entertaining info I'll share with my Swedish relatives that "hugskott" means what it does because it actually contains the Vikings' word for thought!😃👍👌👏
I'd immediately reflect on if not "glad i hågen" och "komma ihåg" have the same origin, from "hug"/"håg"
-Let’s be reasonable
-Take my kids as slaves
Wot?
It seems particularly generous to me. Two kids for one goat and nobody dies? That's more than reasonable. :)
Also, tbf slave doesn't seem to mean as bad as we are used to thinking of in this context and society. The slavery examples we think of are some of the cruellest in history. Doesn't make it right, but it's something. Presumably the kids get to go live and grow up in Ásgarð, which is probably better than living on a regular farm. They're bound to eat better and now they've got legendary company. It also doesn't seem as though Thor is cruel or bossy towards them from what is seen in just this story. Ofc they're never mentioned again, so we have no way of knowing. It's not the sort of thing that needed more explanation to the audience of the time. It was just the sort of thing that happens. Again, doesn't make it right, but it's something.
I cannot stop laughing at your metalhead joke! 😂
I love this story. One of my favorites. Just goes to show that no matter how tough you are, there's always someone out there who can best you
Also, I have a question for anyone who can answer it. I'm thinking about getting a tattoo which reads "knowledge " written in younger futhark runes, as knowledge is probably the thing I treasure more than anything. However, I've come across the words fróðleikr, kunnandi, kunnusta, and skyn. All of which are listed to mean knowledge. I can't find any information saying if the context determine the use, or if the forms are interchangeable.
Great storytelling. Miðgarðsormr would be an amazing name for a cat.
I, I swear it's just the onions I'm chopping up for dinner that's causing me to tear up, but that's one of my favorite tales from the Norse. Always makes me think...
Speaking of think, not just could Loki and Utgard Loki be related but could the thought which could not be outran and the thought which is one of the ravens to Odin be kindred spirits to say?
Not only that but being as not even the gods could traverse far into the Utgard, what does that mean for the mortals?
I'm no flat Earther but this story does make me question the limits of mankind's reach into the outer space...
Again, all comments are welcomed. Have a great evening everyone.
This is my favorite Norns story
I remember this as an animated film.
I like the moral of this story. It tells us to be proud of our achievements, and to be unafraid of any challenge. Even if a task seems impossible, you might still lift the serpent.
The translation is so odd regarding Utgard-Loki and his relationship to the Loki of Asgard. I wonder if the original transcriber was mistaken, maybe, to include the former in with the story. Perhaps he meant Tyr, or someone similar? Maybe Christian monks have off days at work, too...
Ahhhh, all I wanted to do was hear the pronunciation of what I named my largest knife I have. Over 8 inches of metallic death. I named the knife Utgard Logi. I guess I messed up the story in my head. Eh, I'm keeping it. I just wanted to make sure I was pronouncing Utgard right.
I'm a bit late to the party but I still thought it was relevant to share with you a great danish movie I recently watched, named Valhalla (2019) which portrays a lot of what's mentioned here by Dr. Jackson Crawford.
And here I thought that this story was just a story filler for the Danish cartoon (and comic series) called "Valhalla"... however, it seems like it's very accurate.
If you haven't watched it, I would highly recommend it
oh man, 1:12 had me laughing soooo hard hahahha
What's is up with
THORRRR!
How dare you!
"Hey Thor, let's be reasonable here. How about instead of you *murdering my entire family because one of your goats are lame* you can just take my children as slaves for life!"
Yeah . . . man of the people he was. Anyways, I loved the video as always!
They did a crime against him, which must be righted one way or another. It's payment so that he doesn't have to exact blood vengeance. It's as much a social/legal requirement as it is allaying his anger. If he merely forgave them it would cause social problems for both, so it's not an option.
2:22
"These are some aspects of Thor that are not often seen in popular culture."
Have you ever seen the Danish animated movie "Valhalla"? For a children's cartoon it's actually a fairly accurate, if abridged, depiction of the events you talk about in this video, lame goats and child slaves and all.
I have a thought: The four tests is equal (=) to the four children of loke.
Lokes child = test:
midgaards worm = midgaards worm disguised as a cat.(easy)
hella = ella (death old age, time)
Fire (logi) = Fenris the all consuming wolf who swallows all.
thought(hugi) = Sleipner(not of the same batch as the other three but the 8 legs means speed witch is the attribute of thought in this context).
theres (in some version) a fifth quest where roskva cries a gains a river but that ill ignore... not fitting this idea =P
You can find this story in The Deluding of Gylfi, pretty funny book
Very interesting story
Hello Mr Crawford,
we are creating a small indie game regarding this wonderful nordic story. Could you please tell us if the name "Utgardr" is correct to indicate the old citadel of the giants in Jotunheimr? Also we want to use it in the name of the game and it need to be as it should be meant to be written ^^
Thanks in advance and have a wonderful day professor.
Miðgarðsormr is the hardest word to pronounce i swear
HellbillyCuntryMusic yeah but then you have to roll the rs and voice the ð sounds
Then try Miðgarðsormsböllr
plz tell me where you are at in this video
Can you tell the story about Loki and the dwarf Andvara?
Please Dr.
Yeah... Marvel missed out on the childslaves, among other things. Their Thor also doesn't have as much of a temper.
I recommend the movie Valhalla legend of Thor. It is based on this story.
I remember reading many years ago that Loki was a Frost Giant and thus could not be of the Aesir . Given the fighting occurring between Aesir and Frost Giants,possibly Loki the trickster has ambivalence towards his companions. Is it mentioned in any of Dr. Crawford's lectures I have not listened to if Loki's parents were identified ?
He did a video about Loki, I recommend you check it out.
It seems to me the the third should have been Odin himself and obviously on his horse none could beat him except thought travels faster
Hey Dr. Crawford do you have any recommendations on *cheap resources to learn linguistics? I am in a Scottish uni so there are no outside courses for me in my junior year (I am doing history), but I love linguistics as a hobby/interest. Books/web resources are what I am primarily thinking of but any recommendation is welcome.
Have you tried Duolingo on the internet? It's free to download and you can learn at your own pace.
To clarify I mean the scholarly study of languages (their mechanics and such), not learning to speak any individual language. I do use Duolingo for studying to speak languages.
Seamus Hennessy You have the most Scottish name I've ever heard
I do have a language related question and hope it gets seen, but it probably won't. Here's hoping anyway. What is the difference between "Eldr" and "Logi". Both mean fire? Do they mean different types of fire or different intensities of fire? I have heard Logi described as "a wildfire", so I was wondering if that has any basis in Old Norse. I find it curious and interesting that they might have two different names for different types of fire. I do think it makes sense for them to, but it's just something that is different than what I am used to.
I know this is old, but still wanted to answer
Eldr (or modern Icelandic eldur) is fire, but as he says in the video Logi means flame (as it still does in modern Icelandic). So the difference is pretty much the same as between English "fire" and "flame". I don't think there has ever been any such distinction of wildfire vs not-wildfire, not sure where that translation comes from.
f.ex. Icelandic kertalogi is candleflame, the flame that burns in candles (not described as fire usually).
The verb "að loga" is used to mean "to burn" in the meaning of flames (also means to be giving off light, such as modern lights) while "að brenna" means "to burn" in the meaning of something burning, wood or anything flammable, used less with light-giving flames and more with the fire in the fireplace.
Odin, probably.
Ahh snap. You were in Garden of the Gods.
I wish I could have known sooner, would be such an honor to meet you, sir.
Or at least it looks like Balanced Rock within said park. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
hmm loki from a parallel universe?
nyarlathotep
Udgård is Jotunheim
It is _inside_ Jǫtunheimr.
I've heard claims that this tale is a bit of a distorted one in the particular sense that Utgardr-Loki was regular, standard-issue Loki in an original or earlier version, and he was given that epithet so that Loki could be in the story. How plausible is this - at least the idea of Utgardr-Loki & Loki being the same at some point at least?
And that logi was Loki as well
I think in this context it is mere wordplay, seeing how Loki & Logi directly compete.
It is not impossible, almost nothing is when it comes to these things because of how little we know, but I personally find it unlikely.
More likely I think the reason for Úgarða-Loki to share the same name as Loki has to do with the etymology of Loki
While there has been a common misconception that Loki is related to Logi (and that Loki is associated with fire), this is highly unlikely to the extreme, as Loki has nothing to do with fire in the original myths. Rather, the most likely etymology is that Loki comes from the same word root as "lock" (both in the meaning of a lock of hair, and a lock on a door)
This root seems to have originally have some meaning related to binding, or tangling. From that we have the meaning to close (a meaning seen in old norse) through the meaning to bind something close, and from close we get the meaning to lock in English, as well as the meaning to finish in old norse (to close something =. to finish something). We also have words such as lokkanet for a spiderweb, probably because the spider binds or tangles (i.e. weaves) the net. And of course, a lock of hair, self explanatory
This all seems to indicate that the name Loki most likely originally meant something along the lines of someone who binds, entangles or weaves, i.e. someone who creates (or weaves) lies or illusions to trap people in, that is to say a trickster. If so, then Loki might've originally been a word that simply means trickster, which might mean that Útgarða-Loki is called so because he is also a trickster (as evident in this story). They have the same name because originally that name was a title, a description of what they are/what they do. And they do the same thing.
So that is my theory, Loki and Útgarða-Loki have the same name because they are both the same thing: tricksters. And when some original proto version of this story first came to play, "loki" was still a general word with that meaning.
Which might mean that Loki had some other name that was lost, replaced by a title/description, but that is not new for gods. Týr's name literally just means "god", and Freyja/Freyr mean lady/lord respectively.
(sorry for the word vomit, didn't mean for the comment to get that long. kinda bad at being brief about my thoughts xp)
Fornjot!
Let's be reasonable, just take my children as your slaves for life. 😂
Hønserieier ... would anyone care to translate? Thanks
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My friend and former co-student got a very distinct impression that the Norse Jotunheimr was in the north of Norway so maybe not quite so close to your current surroundings ;)
Really enjoyed the story telling! Cool about the challenges, the tides, etc. Gorgeous setting too, reminds me of Garden of the Gods.