Patek Philippe Calatrava 5146J with Annual Calendar, Moon Phase, and Power Reserve Complications
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Review of my first Patek, a Calatrava 5146J with Annual Calendar, Moon Phase, and Power Reserve Complications (18k Yellow Gold).
Couple points left out in the video - as most PP movements, only counter-clockwise rotations of the rotor wind the mainspring; this is the reason it rotates so freely clockwise. 800 TPD in the counter-clockwise direction is the recommended setting for my Orbita Sienna 1 and after about 6 hours on the winder, it managed to increase the power reserve.
PP movements are also famous for not hacking the seconds hand, and this watch is certainly no exception.
Beautiful timepiece, a watch like this is truly a piece of art... Congratulations for your purchase!!!
Thank you Alvaro, appreciated.
Thanks Scott, I'm keeping well =)
Thank you :)
What sort of camera are you using??
What have you wound up doing with your collection? Still have this beautiful 5146j?
It has grown a bit more. I’ve switched the 5146 to a 5146R in 2019. In December 2019 I picked up a 5170G in Singapore and ~June 2020 bought a second RG DayDate 36mm, this time for my Mum with a full diamond set bezel & Diamond White MOP dial with President bracelet.
@@bsodmike wow congrats on the 5170! And very nice to get that dd for your mom! Is the rose gold 5146 dial identical to the yellow gold version or does the 5146r dial have a creamier look (compared to a whiter 5146j dial)? I am trying to decide which 5146 to get.
@@wristfulthinking Both the J & R have the same opaline dial.
Of course the applied markers and trim around the date-window are respectively J/R.
That's quite true, re. the similarities between 5146 and 5140. That's and interesting point, I've been trying to find out if PP also use an 'alloy' that does not require the plating on WG, but it seems that they also plate then? You are correct about Rolex's WG alloy. They even mix-in around 2% PT into their Everose gold to prevent discolouration when exposed to water etc.
I'm leaning towards a 5960P, although possible a 5960R. If I go for the 5140, I'd still keep my 5146 though.
I've always been a fan of chronographs and the 5960 has a couple technical aspects that I really like (column-wheel, clutch based activation, and flyback features). Since I've already got an annual calendar, I may end up considering the 5140P vs. 5960P when 'push comes to shove'. A piece in platinum would make for an excellent daily piece; it cannot be scratched (only dented) and even then, Platinum takes on a nice 'used' sheen, whereas with gold you know you've wasted so much material!
Royal Oak is the only "style" that I seem to like from AP, i.e. classic Genta. You used the word "invest" and therefore I'd have to simply say 'No'. You're far better off sticking to Patek in that regard; that said, you should really buy a piece if it sings to you - don't let 'investment' potential colour your judgement too much.
AP's EOT: it's probably the only complication I'd considerby AP although I see myself sticking to Patek and Lange. AP's second-hand "value" hasn't been great IMHO.
Sorry for the late response Scott. Pictures tend to be a very poor means for judging dimensions; low DOF shots can exaggerate the dial size. Not at all, the 5146 has a MUCH larger dial-area compared to the RO; don't forget the RO has the bezel which means the dial is closer to that of a 36 mm watch, similar to my old DateJust.
The 5146 is larger on the wrist thanks to its expansive dial. AP simply does not come close in terms of quality. I sold my RG RO for this reason and kept the steel RO
I have only one issue with perpetuals; for one, I own more than one watch, so there's no chance I'd be wearing the perpetual for 5-years straight. There's also the fact that it *should* be serviced in 5-years, so you're good for experiencing a single leap-year from the time you purchase a perpetual. It isn't hard to set an annual calendar once on 1st March, rather than once in 4-years on a perpetual.
For collection purposes though, there's no question of owning a perpetual or minute repeater.
You're right, a first-class return for two from Narita-JFK NYC is little under US$30k on Emirates. The 5127R costs around US$33k new from boutique (in Singapore).
As for Archie Luxury/Paul Pluta, honestly, I believe it's done intentionally in a tongue-in-cheek manner. Yes, quite a few of his clips are distasteful (the profanity for starters!) and in most of them he ends up trashing every brand under the sun, except Patek and his Calatrava. "Sucks" is putting it mildly!
At least for me, it isn't a matter about the cost but which watch "sings" to me. The 5146 has been one such piece, since I saw it in person at Basel World 2008. I also wanted an annual calendar with a power-reserve complication.
As perpetuals go I prefer the 5140 in terms of layout. That said, the retrograde date is a nice complication to have. However, I've got my eye on a 5712, 5127, and 5960 as contenders for my next Patek.
(...cont) I am certain that later on this year I will be adding at least a Rolex steel Sub and GMTIIC; you'll notice I owned the SS/YG GMTIIC a while back and for a while now I've been debating on getting the steel version.
Some watches should simply be appreciated for what they are, no more, no less - brand names aside. I guess I've had some time to reflect over the 'brand name' stereotyping and I've decided to simply go for pieces I like.
@Henry - I agree completely and thanks for pointing out that 'Paul Pluta' is "Archie". It seems he's gone up the brand 'ladder' and having reached Patek, it's gone to his head some. I've owned about five-Speedmasters in the past, several Rolexes (none right now) and even bought-back my Sapphire Sandwich 3573.50 recently.
Having just recently acquired this 5146, while I certainly got a hankering for a couple more PPs (5127, 5960 just to name a few) - to be continued...
Hi Amine, can you drop me a link to your blog post via email? Absolutely loving it... to the point that I've fallen out with my RG RO and just sold it as well. So my all-around "beater" is my steel AP as it has a bracelet and during the day I'm sporting my 5146.
Earlier this week I was oogling at a 5960p and a 5140j as well... Talk about tempting! One day in the future ;-)
Paul, I couldn't seem to be able to contact you any other way. Decided to remove your comment found in my AP 15000ST video as it was made in poor taste. And just to clear some confusion on your part, I'm not Indian.
Learn not to assume too much about others :)
+1 for the British twang. Not sure why everyone's so obsessed about my nationality though. I am from Sri Lanka although, as you mentioned, have and continue to spend much of my time abroad.
I completely agree and don't care for Nautilus annual calendars - the 5980 is quite nice though. I do like the 5712R though due to its unique dial-layout and micro-rotor powered calibre 240.
Thanks Scott. The Nautilus is quite nice but I personally prefer the RO design if one had to pick one over the other. I would consider getting one after my other PP endeavours...
Hi Paul, I found it rather amusing that you have an avatar of Archie! It's a phone cam that records 720p... works as long as you don't change the DOF whilst recording.
Not really; the 5270 is much nicer. The 5208 is bit too contemporary/art-deco inspired. I'd pick the 5270 any day.
Well the 5960 is not for me to be hones I rather an omega speedmaster day date than the 5960 sorry >
OMG really? I guess you are and old fashion design enthusiast cause for me the 5208p is such an exquisite piece of horology such complexity in such simplicity and not to mention the instantatious perpetual mechanism that allows the watch to change date in just 0.025 secs at midnight!!, no more 3-4 hours required to read the correct date (internally it still takes that time for the mechanism to activate the next date) and monopusher omg it is just an incredible piece.
I wasn't obsessed I just thought it would be fun to guess it because going from memory there was mention of it in other comments. I kind of know how you feel I am Italian I learned English In Australia so I get people guessing I am from Sth Africa to New Zealand and thats just by phone its funny how people make so many assumptions with so very little data.
I have never owned a white gold watch due to the plating it requires to be white, I think rolex has an alloy that does not require plating to look white. So if you go for the 5140p what will you do with your current annual 5146j ? they are so alike in terms of dial lay out.
That guy is otherwise known as "Archie Luxury". He likes to belittle brands of watches that he deems unworthy and stereotypes people that wear certain watches. His videos are riddled with profanity and generally distasteful. Really NOT what collecting and enjoying watches is all about.
Would you invest in a AP equation of time? That's the only piece I'd get from AP not sure what collection thought cause royal oak is just not my style and the jules audemars one the needles are too confusing but i guess i could have then changed.
you know what i mean sadly mechanical watches are still slaves of maintanance hopefully cartier will keep progressing on the concept watches they are focusing in to be oil free and very strong and light alloys to make the watches eternal
As long as you do not service the watch on a leap year in february you will always be able to enjoy the leap year mechanism and as you said if you have more than a watch well you can use your other watches while the perpetual is being serviced.
I can not wait for basel world 2013 :)
I am dying to see if christophe claret will show the x-trem-2 this year, the first one is such an amazing piece sadly all 24 sold out so fast......
Are you going to basel world 2013?
That's certainly the best excuse I could think of to justify a couple more PP's in the collection :D
I'm guessing Brazilian born now possibly living/working in Europe, from your accent I could narrow it down further to the UK England. (you have that little twang thats hard to hear unless you know it)
well that luxyry archie guy sucks he might have invested on his calatrava 20 years of work.... have you travel in emirates first class? a ticket for me and my wife costs more than his calatrava....
This is a 50k bucks watch i think, why not going for the patek 5159 instead ? it is way cooler looking and it is perpetual and you can get it for less that 100k bucks
Crank up the volume? Trying to see if UA-cam will allow me to upload a 'replacement' clip.
Gorgeous beautiful timepiece. Absolutely classic design that will never be out of fashion. Congratulations on your new watch. Do you plan on wearing it a lot?
EoT cool watch but before investing or how you call it before a watch sings to me, imma play deaf lol for a bit cause i am saving for my next supercar.
Please post a clear meaningful post, I'm removing this as you're not making much sense.
I'm an EEE Engineer and Roboticist by profession, currently in Software Engineering.
Hi Mark - I used to be from 2007/8 reading for my Mechatronics degree. Small world!
this is NOT a Calatrava.
I've been waiting for someone to touch on this. Yes, it technically isn't a Calatrava, and falls into Patek's complicated line of watches.
However, it has Calatrava styling especially when you compare it with the likes of the 5127. No shoulders, but as per the Bauhaus movement - circular layout, smooth polished bezel; case profile is very "Calatrava".
That's why, I have dubbed this as a Calatrava as well, even though strictly speaking it isn't one.
I don't think there's anything wrong in affording a Calatrava... lol.
that archie guy I can't stand him... the way he talks lol and he can only afford a calatrava....
You can always get a kinetic watch :D no battery or winding required ^^ I do have one kinetic
Very nice watch, not bad review but please turn the music down or off next time my friend! :)
Your Patek is a great watch, it stands for real values and elegance!
Wear it in good health!
Hi Scott, if you try now they should be working fine. Thanks!
The 5140 doesnt have seconds needle I can not use a complicated watch with out it
The patek 5207 "sings to me" but the notes are too high :p
Don't you think the 5208 p beats 5270 by far?
holy shit, what do you do for a living?
I really want to get this one with a better deal. Nowadays lots of dealers only offer very little discounts. This is probably one of the best watches under 100k.
***** Hey, good luck Porsche. I've practically been wearing this daily for the past year and am still loving it. I'd agree - it's not a top-end grail such as say a Datograph or something like that, but even so, I'm teetering on the edge of "If you only had to have one watch" territory.
Great watch n vid. Congratulations!
How frequently would you service the watch? And are you looking at adding another Patek to the collection?
Hi Mark, for their complicated pieces 5-years at most is recommended, so I'll look to give it for service in its 5th year (early-mid 2018). I'll fly to Geneva for the occasion as well, and look to add a Nautilus then, in steel.
I'm quite content with SOTC as it currently stands - Omega Speedmaster Sapphire Sandwich, the AP RO in steel and PP 5146J, 5127R.
Great review of a great watch
Haha, I'm doing quite a bit of playing deaf myself as of late; saving for my next grail PP. I know I want to have a platinum piece at some point - chances are I'll be going for the 5960R; what would you suggest I get in PT? Or should I get the 5960P and 5127R, or better yet a 5712R to replace the RG RO I parted with?
Hi Parth, thanks for the compliments. I believe the collection has changed a fair amount in the past year - for the better as well! I've sold off a couple of the lower-end pieces, anything that's non-LE. I'm working on adding a few more pieces and I hope to do a proper re-cap sometime in the future.
Are you a student at KCL?
MsFoxy Foxx With SNB removing the cap, it would be circa CHF45,000/- retail. I would expect this to retail in Singapore at around SGD70,000 post CHF increase. Having returned from Singapore during Christmas, retail was SGD60,000/-.
Which Patek did you go for?
Beautiful watch!
Thanks :)
I was planning to go, but I'm waiting on my visa to be sorted out. There's a realistic chance that I may miss it though considering how long it takes for most embassies to process such things.
Indeed.
Thanks!
That's true but I love the dial layout and how incredibly thin it is for a perpetual. The sweeping centre seconds is also on feature I love on my 5146, and Patek make *the* thinnest seconds hands out there, it's just incredible!
I just saw your comment about your Dad's Omega. I too still have my Dad's Constellation DeVille that I had Omega Bienne completely restore; their restoration work costs a bit more than a standard service but you indeed get what you pay for. They make some legendary pieces and I must say their customer service has always been impeccable.
Last I checked its RRP is around $50k, but I'm expecting this to increase or already have increased post Baselworld.
The APs are definitely quality pieces and will be in my collection for many years to come. I definitely get the feeling that I need to be a bit more careful with my Calatrava though as it has multiple complications and 355 parts!
The 3120 AP caliber in both of my Royal Oaks are much 'simpler' movements in comparison. The finishing of the movement on my Calatrava is just absolutely stunning and oozes 'Patek'. It is not easy to compare the two as they serve very different purposes.
Wow incredible collection Amine! Not sure I could ever keep so many pieces in the mix at the same time... largely because I keep consolidating towards 'bigger and better' pieces. Ooh huge congrats! That's a grail of mine and will be a fair while till I hope to add it to my mix. Decided to give my collection a PP focus and am going to work towards that now :)
Indeed. My first serious 'themed' collection was that of Omega Speedmasters and at the time I also had two Seamasters, along with my late Father's Omega Constellation.
While the Calatrava line doesn't immediately remind me of older DeVille's, I absolutely adore the design of references sticking to the 'pure' Calatrava design (i.e. smooth surfaces and highly polished). Having the 5146J on the wrist is just an incredible experience and at 39 mm its proportions are simply perfect.
Thanks for the nice review Mike and a beautiful watch. This prompted me to go out and add the 5146g to my own collection. Quick question on your watch, it looks like the power reserve indicator has gone quite far to the left. Is that normal?
Hi Stephen, the Patek service centre in Singapore said the same thing, but from the day I got mine, it has always been 'horizontal' to the left, to indicate a full charge. I wonder if mine has slipped QC re. the power reserve. Does yours stop exactly at the '+' sign? And when it is 'empty', does it stop exactly at the '-' sign?
When mine is 'empty', it stops ahead of the '-' sign, by about the same margin, as the gap between '+' and where it is sitting right now (full horizontal).
Congrats on the 5146g, did you get the slate grey dial? It's stunning!! Thanks again.
Mike S Hi Mike, I have only had my 5146 for a few days now so haven't seen where it stops when the charge is completely empty (I can't take it off of my wrist long enough to let it run down, haha). But when fully charged, it always stops right at the + sign. It is likely that yours has slipped. Have you had it serviced recently? I would imagine that they could correct that easily (although I don't imagine it would be cheap).
I debated and debated over the ivory vs. slate grey dial. Both are stunning indeed but I ended up going with the ivory because I felt that the grey was a little harder to read in certain lighting. Many people say it is such a beautiful watch that they don't mind looking at it a little longer to read the time. I also felt that the ivory was a little more "classic" Patek.
Stephen Irish I'm hoping to send it for its first service when it's 5 years old in 2018, thanks for confirming and I'll make sure to point it out. Agreed re. the ivory dial. Do let me know how you get on with it, enjoy! :D
5127R which is now discontinued; the best part was purchasing it from the Salon in Genève and I also did something slightly 'different', which I'll reveal in my next video.
No, I completely agree. I'll definitely upload a replacement when UA-cam gets around to allowing us to do that. I think I got the volume 'right' on the RG AP review... Thanks for mentioning this though, appreciated.
Thanks zeo99, much appreciated. I love the complications on this watch to bits; the downside is, I've got a serious itch for quite a few more PPs! Oh boy...!
I have an electrical/robotics engineering background, although by day I'm knee deep in software dev (Ruby/Rails, Databases, NoSQL stores, APIs - pretty much full-stack!)
Haha... I particularly like the 'tone' of PP Rose Gold minute repeaters - it's by far the most harmonic, resonant, and pleasing notes I've heard (on any minute repeater).
Cheers Brushpup - I've been wearing it daily since I got it...! I don't have the heart to keep this stuffed away in a safe deposit box =)
Agreed Sam! It's been little over a month since I purchased my second, a 5127R. Hopefully, I'll be able to post the customary review over the next few weeks.
perfection
I chuckled hearing about the 'soothing effect' hehe! Duly noted, just waiting for UA-cam to allow 'revisions' to be uploaded. Thanks again Scott.
I've just purchased my second Patek and will keep this in mind, there'll be no music :)
Awesome piece,but still dont understood why did you sold your "royal oak rose gold "
;(
However i have a question:
If i live in italy (southern ) and i go to prestige shop(rolex) to buy this patek or the royal oak.
At this point how i can be sure that them sold me out an original item ?
The Patek Phillippe 5146J is the most stunningly beautiful watch I know of. Maybe someday I will be able to own one.
Absolutely stunning! Thank you so much for sharing!
In comparison, how do your APs hold up against the Patek in terms of perceived quality?
Fantastic watch. I can tell you are a man of taste - especially with Miles Davis playing in the background. Well played, Sir.
You're too kind Arch! Check out my latest clip on my 5127. Best, M.
Wishing you the best Uriel. It's a fabulous watch.
I bought it from the Patek Boutique in Singapore.
Belated congrats on your most recent acquisition, Mike! That is one beautiful piece.
I currently own a 5146R and they are really very beautiful watches, thanks for the review :)
Cheers and all the best, that's an incredible piece :)
An unbelievable piece
Been wearing this for the past month or so as my 'daily' piece on a 12hr rotation with my steel AP. Suffice to say it's definitely a favourite!
Cheers Desmond, I appreciate your kind comments.
I had 'My Funny Valentine' playing in this one...
Awesome video! Awesome watch! Awesome music! Which song is it?
looking forward to see your newly acquired ink pen...love pens.
Haha... I have my AP for "that" :)
Thank you, it is my pleasure.
What is more stunning guys? Patek Philippe COMPLICATED WATCHES 5396 white gold or Patek Philippe GRAND COMPLICATIONS 5140 white gold?
Both nice pieces, but the 5140 would have the edge in terms of aesthetics, at least for me. Interestingly enough, the 5396 hasn't tugged at my heartstrings as much as the 5146's more classic look.
Suppose the contemporary design of the 5396 isn't as appealing to me - still need to ponder over that!!
My comments aside, get the watch that really sings to YOU!
I guess you're doing it your way. Great watches Michael!
Beautiful timepiece. Thanks for sharing this with us.