I still own my Exped Down mat 9 LW and not planning to get rid anytime soon. It is a little on the heavy side, weighing 1.2kg, however the R-Value is 7.8, so exceptionally warm.
I just bought an Exped Sim Ultra 7.5 LW. When opening the inflate valve, it does not start to inflate by itself. I have to stick the little tag that’s on the cord of the valve in a little, so the valve remains open. Is this normal? Also, the mat does not seem to fully inflate. Do you always have to put in extra air either by blowing or pumping? There was no ‘nozzle pump’ with the mat. In this video the guy says it’s standard, but my mat only came with the storage sack and repair kit. Thanks for answering my questions. 1:10
Hi there, thank you for the comment. The SIM Ultra 7.5 LW is a different product line than the Ultra series shown in this video. The SIM series are self-inflating mats. The Ultra series are not self-inflating, which is why they come with a Schnozzel Pumpbag for inflation. On the SIM series, the toggle/tag on the cord of the inflate valve is intended to be inserted into the valve in order to help the mat self inflate. If the mat does not self inflate to your desired comfort level, you may have to pump some additional air into it. Please let us know if you have any additional questions.
das wichtigste an den mats ist der lärm. das ist das A und O. wie siehts da aus ?? hab die erfahrung gemacht das ich selbst solche matten bestellt habe die sich wie ein ballon angefühlt haben wenn man nur mit den händen drauf kam, so schläft niemand
Questions when comparing an old Synmat UL Winter to an Ultra 5R: 1. The old mats had a soft, grippy overlay, it appears that has been deleted...yes? 2. In the former mummy pads ('Hyperlight' or HL pads) the outer rails did not have insulation in order to save weight. Is this the case in the new pads? 3. The former HL pads did not have a deflate valve, is this the case with the new mummy pads? 4. The old pads claimed 3.5" thickness (although this was only on the outer 2 rails). The new pads claim 7cm thickness (2.75"), but as noted in the video the outer rails are still thicker than the main pad. So are the pads thinner altogether now (2.75" outer rails and 2" main pad, for example ) or is Exped now reporting the thickness of the main pad as opposed to the outer rails (still 3.5" outer rails and 2.75" main pad)? Comment: The valve/Schnozzel design is inharmonius, with the Schnozzel's valve pointing down and the pad valves on the underside. This means you have to inflate the pad upside down, and once it's inflated flip it over. I'd rather not have to do this in a 1P shelter. The pad valves should be on the top, or the Shnozzel valve should point up. Also, adjusting the firmness while laying on the pad is a pain with the valves on the bottom, and they are more exposed to dirt and debris on the tent floor than they would be on the top.
Good questions Jake! Here's your answers: 1) - the proprietary "GripSkin" layer on the older mats is indeed no longer present, but this is because the new recycled face-fabric material is naturally "grippier" since it has more texture, so the GripSkin coating was no longer necessary to keep one from sliding off the mat. 2) The Ultra 3R and 5R Mummy pads now have insulated outer rails, but the Ultra 1R and 7R don't, just like the old "HL" pads. 3) All new mats have both an inflate and deflate valve. 4) The new mats have the same dimensions as the old, so it's the latter, we're reporting the thickness of the main pad as opposed to the outer rails (so 7cm is the thickness of the sleeping portion of the pad). As for your comment, we appreciate the feedback and we'll pass this along to our product managers. It may be worth noting that (on the Ultra pads at least), the face fabric on the "bottom" is the same as the "top", so sleeping "valve side up" is just fine if you prefer.
@@ExpedLLC Thanks for the reply, but I think you're not quite correct on #4. The old SynMat Winter UL was 9cm while the Ultra 5R has been downgraded to 7cm. *That's disappointing and I suggest you change it back* I verified this by getting an Ultra 5R and comparing it to my Synmat Winter UL HL and DownMat Winter UL LW. It appears that the point of measurement didn't actually change; it's always been the main pad. On my Synmat Winter UL HL both the outer rails and main pad are 9cm (3.5") and on the Ultra 5R the outer rails are 9cm and the main pad is 7cm (2.75").
@@JakeRuby You bring up a good point Jake- on our "Winter" backpacking mats, the sleeping portion was thicker (~9cm), as opposed to the ~7cm thick sleeping portion on our other backpacking mats. As for your suggestion in bold, we'll pass that along to our product managers.
@@ExpedLLC I am comparing your Ultra, Dura, and Versa pads and none of them have published thickness numbers on your website (it would be nice if they did). Are all the pads on all 3 lines 2.75" with 3.5" side rails or are does the thickness vary with different lines or different R values?
My ultra 5r seems to lose pressure by morning time. Im still fine if i lie flat, but almost bottom out while on my side. I tried to find leeak bubbles under water but can't see them. Is this normal? I've used this maybe 15 nights over the past 9 months.
It sounds like your Ultra mat might have a tiny puncture/slow leak in it somewhere. Please visit www.exped.com/en/repair and we'd be happy to assist you further
The outermost rails on the 7R do not contain insulation since they're meant to act more as guardrails to keep the user positioned over the "sleeping portion" (insulated portion) of the mat, and we found in testing that the added R-value gained from putting down in those outermost rails is negligible. As for your second question, we made this quick video to demonstrate how to keep down insulation evenly distributed: ua-cam.com/video/luAfJa0jtKY/v-deo.html
I have just bought my Exped mat and was very disappointed whenever I had found water drops inside my mat ( even the insulation were wet) after first night on the mountains.. Despite me using pumpbag... Do you have any advice how to avoid it or how yo dry it?
Your mat should be water-tight by virtue of being air-tight, so there shouldn't be moisture on the inside of your mat if you're using the pump-bag. Please reach out to your region's local distributor by contacting us here: www.exped.com/en/contact and we'd be happy to assist further.
How to prevent it. Use coldest air available to pump into the Pad. Why? I assume: Warmer air with a higher moisture content (tent air) is put into a container. This has ground contact and cools the air. Cool air can't hold as much moisture and it condenses.
To dry it: go outside, cool it, then fill it with cool air. Then take it into your flat and let the air inside and the pad worm for a while. Then deflate it. Repeat until dry.
I would like to use the Schnozzel Pumpsack as a drybag to store other stuff while bikepacking. I cannot find any information about the waterproof rating. Would you recommend to use it on heavy rainy conditions? Thank you in advance.
Hwy cant you get the original repair gear wich follows hwen you buy a New one. My first leaked, so arter 14 days without the shop tried to exdend the time to wait for? So i got the New ultra r3 had such bad luck and burned a circel formed hole and Witherspoon both texrile paches wich is usable for polyester . But it want get good enogh. Is melting with Iron and baking foil best to make a 100% repair??
With the repair kit, the glue that melts the textile paches to the surface and the result would be like the factory. Now I spend a lot on different and the only one a sticky film is what works on polyester wasent enough with one pakket and Itried with som gorilla on the last i Even meltet IT together close to the egde. The shop want or cant order one! So I have to buy a New but not Expeed. Another similar i know I can repair
We're sorry to hear you had that experience. Please contact your local distributor for further assistance. Here's a list of our distributors around the world: www.exped.com/en/contact
Hi there. We have a video showing how to deflate and roll up backpacking mats. Here is the link to the video: ua-cam.com/video/Z4jh-cmCGKE/v-deo.html&ab_channel=EXPED The mat in this video is an Ultra mat with a different R value, but the technique is the same for the Ultra 7R LW. Please let us know if you have any questions.
If you don't mind a little extra weight the mat covers let you buddy up two mats side by side. Works well and if you like different inflation pressures it's all good.
Lacy, thank you for the feedback, we will take that into consideration. That's a great suggestion Peter, we do offer the Universal Mat Coupler Kit to help keep two individual mats together, so you can customize to accommodate any size mats.
Mats with high R-values aren't necessarily going to make one feel too hot in the summer in the same way a winter sleeping bag might. A higher R-value mat does mean you won't be able to exchange heat with the ground as much, but since heat rises, this usually doesn't result in an uncomfortable "hot" feeling against the pad- it just means more of your body heat is going into your sleeping bag, quilt, or blankets (instead of into the mat/ground). To use an example, although regular (on your bed at home) mattresses theoretically also have very high R-values, they're still comfortable to use in the summer unless you have too many blankets and/or sheets on top of you.
No place does it mention that the outside rails of the Grey Mummy 7R are not insulated. I learned after $238 & confirmed with Exped that, the 7R Down Mummy's rails are still not insulated (Green 3R & 5R 100% insulated). Great mats though. Great service. I will go green next time.
Probably to save weight?? Did they tell you why they decided to go with that design? Awesome heads up though. You literally just saved me money. I was going to pick up the ultra 7R for winter. I have the 3r for everything else and it's a fantastic pad. It's cheaper than pretty much every other pad I would want to buy and just as comfortable. The only thing more comfortable than my 3r is the sea to summit either light xt, but it's a bit bulkier as well.
The new recycled fabric is naturally more "grippy" than our older mats were, so they won't slide around on DCF as much, and it won't feel like a slip-n-slide when you're in your sleeping bag.
I beg you to please get Ultra 3r mummy back in stock. The MW specifically. You don't even have them in stock on your site, and they are invisible online. I'm waiting and waiting. But that's the pad I want.
Hi! Our Ultra 3R mummies are in stock. Here is the link: www.expedusa.com/collections/backpacking-trekking-mats/products/ultra-3r?variant=42048943554777 Thank you!
Ultra is usless! It Will leak after 14 days, and it must be around the walwe but also the surface is jugde to get punktured to easly. Even throug the footprint and bottom. In norway we make a bed of grain. Its not its needels but eg. Ever hard shape Will make you wake UP on the ground and the glue can be old and turned to Stone. Or leak and melt and destroy all as it is in the same bag. I have to steal a kit from a bag in the store. 220 euro!
Hi Alejandro, we do not have a tapered sheet, but this year we did come out with a new line of Organic Cotton Mat Covers for all EXPED rectangular mats.
While there isn't a firm date that all websites will be updated, it will happen soon. Specs for our new mats are almost identical to the prior generation. It is primarily the name and colors that have changed with our mats, as well as an increase is recycled materials. Exped.com doesn't have the new information listed yet, but if you are located within the USA, please feel free to visit expedusa.com and you should be able to find additional details for the new products.
Very well explained and presented! Heads up for the presenter!
I still own my Exped Down mat 9 LW and not planning to get rid anytime soon. It is a little on the heavy side, weighing 1.2kg, however the R-Value is 7.8, so exceptionally warm.
I just bought an Exped Sim Ultra 7.5 LW. When opening the inflate valve, it does not start to inflate by itself. I have to stick the little tag that’s on the cord of the valve in a little, so the valve remains open. Is this normal? Also, the mat does not seem to fully inflate. Do you always have to put in extra air either by blowing or pumping? There was no ‘nozzle pump’ with the mat. In this video the guy says it’s standard, but my mat only came with the storage sack and repair kit. Thanks for answering my questions. 1:10
Hi there, thank you for the comment. The SIM Ultra 7.5 LW is a different product line than the Ultra series shown in this video. The SIM series are self-inflating mats. The Ultra series are not self-inflating, which is why they come with a Schnozzel Pumpbag for inflation. On the SIM series, the toggle/tag on the cord of the inflate valve is intended to be inserted into the valve in order to help the mat self inflate. If the mat does not self inflate to your desired comfort level, you may have to pump some additional air into it. Please let us know if you have any additional questions.
Hi Exped, Thank you for the info. All clear now. 😊
das wichtigste an den mats ist der lärm. das ist das A und O. wie siehts da aus ??
hab die erfahrung gemacht das ich selbst solche matten bestellt habe die sich wie ein ballon angefühlt haben wenn man nur mit den händen drauf kam, so schläft niemand
Questions when comparing an old Synmat UL Winter to an Ultra 5R:
1. The old mats had a soft, grippy overlay, it appears that has been deleted...yes?
2. In the former mummy pads ('Hyperlight' or HL pads) the outer rails did not have insulation in order to save weight. Is this the case in the new pads?
3. The former HL pads did not have a deflate valve, is this the case with the new mummy pads?
4. The old pads claimed 3.5" thickness (although this was only on the outer 2 rails). The new pads claim 7cm thickness (2.75"), but as noted in the video the outer rails are still thicker than the main pad. So are the pads thinner altogether now (2.75" outer rails and 2" main pad, for example ) or is Exped now reporting the thickness of the main pad as opposed to the outer rails (still 3.5" outer rails and 2.75" main pad)?
Comment: The valve/Schnozzel design is inharmonius, with the Schnozzel's valve pointing down and the pad valves on the underside. This means you have to inflate the pad upside down, and once it's inflated flip it over. I'd rather not have to do this in a 1P shelter. The pad valves should be on the top, or the Shnozzel valve should point up. Also, adjusting the firmness while laying on the pad is a pain with the valves on the bottom, and they are more exposed to dirt and debris on the tent floor than they would be on the top.
Good questions Jake! Here's your answers:
1) - the proprietary "GripSkin" layer on the older mats is indeed no longer present, but this is because the new recycled face-fabric material is naturally "grippier" since it has more texture, so the GripSkin coating was no longer necessary to keep one from sliding off the mat.
2) The Ultra 3R and 5R Mummy pads now have insulated outer rails, but the Ultra 1R and 7R don't, just like the old "HL" pads.
3) All new mats have both an inflate and deflate valve.
4) The new mats have the same dimensions as the old, so it's the latter, we're reporting the thickness of the main pad as opposed to the outer rails (so 7cm is the thickness of the sleeping portion of the pad).
As for your comment, we appreciate the feedback and we'll pass this along to our product managers. It may be worth noting that (on the Ultra pads at least), the face fabric on the "bottom" is the same as the "top", so sleeping "valve side up" is just fine if you prefer.
@@ExpedLLC Thanks for the reply, but I think you're not quite correct on #4. The old SynMat Winter UL was 9cm while the Ultra 5R has been downgraded to 7cm. *That's disappointing and I suggest you change it back* I verified this by getting an Ultra 5R and comparing it to my Synmat Winter UL HL and DownMat Winter UL LW.
It appears that the point of measurement didn't actually change; it's always been the main pad. On my Synmat Winter UL HL both the outer rails and main pad are 9cm (3.5") and on the Ultra 5R the outer rails are 9cm and the main pad is 7cm (2.75").
@@JakeRuby You bring up a good point Jake- on our "Winter" backpacking mats, the sleeping portion was thicker (~9cm), as opposed to the ~7cm thick sleeping portion on our other backpacking mats. As for your suggestion in bold, we'll pass that along to our product managers.
Exped said the hrey ones like my $238 Winterlite are not insulated at the rails; the green synthetic ones are. I got ripped on that grey one.
@@ExpedLLC I am comparing your Ultra, Dura, and Versa pads and none of them have published thickness numbers on your website (it would be nice if they did). Are all the pads on all 3 lines 2.75" with 3.5" side rails or are does the thickness vary with different lines or different R values?
My ultra 5r seems to lose pressure by morning time. Im still fine if i lie flat, but almost bottom out while on my side. I tried to find leeak bubbles under water but can't see them. Is this normal? I've used this maybe 15 nights over the past 9 months.
It sounds like your Ultra mat might have a tiny puncture/slow leak in it somewhere. Please visit www.exped.com/en/repair and we'd be happy to assist you further
Are the outside rails insulated on the ultra 7r? How do you keep the down from migrating and causing cold spots?
The outermost rails on the 7R do not contain insulation since they're meant to act more as guardrails to keep the user positioned over the "sleeping portion" (insulated portion) of the mat, and we found in testing that the added R-value gained from putting down in those outermost rails is negligible. As for your second question, we made this quick video to demonstrate how to keep down insulation evenly distributed: ua-cam.com/video/luAfJa0jtKY/v-deo.html
I have just bought my Exped mat and was very disappointed whenever I had found water drops inside my mat ( even the insulation were wet) after first night on the mountains.. Despite me using pumpbag... Do you have any advice how to avoid it or how yo dry it?
Your mat should be water-tight by virtue of being air-tight, so there shouldn't be moisture on the inside of your mat if you're using the pump-bag. Please reach out to your region's local distributor by contacting us here: www.exped.com/en/contact and we'd be happy to assist further.
How to prevent it. Use coldest air available to pump into the Pad.
Why? I assume: Warmer air with a higher moisture content (tent air) is put into a container. This has ground contact and cools the air.
Cool air can't hold as much moisture and it condenses.
To dry it: go outside, cool it, then fill it with cool air. Then take it into your flat and let the air inside and the pad worm for a while. Then deflate it. Repeat until dry.
I would like to use the Schnozzel Pumpsack as a drybag to store other stuff while bikepacking. I cannot find any information about the waterproof rating. Would you recommend to use it on heavy rainy conditions? Thank you in advance.
Hi Pablo. The Schnozzel Pumpbag has a 1,500 mm water column rating and is fully seam taped. It can function as a drybag to store your other things.
@@ExpedLLC Awesome. Thank you.
Hwy cant you get the original repair gear wich follows hwen you buy a New one. My first leaked, so arter 14 days without the shop tried to exdend the time to wait for? So i got the New ultra r3 had such bad luck and burned a circel formed hole and Witherspoon both texrile paches wich is usable for polyester . But it want get good enogh. Is melting with Iron and baking foil best to make a 100% repair??
With the repair kit, the glue that melts the textile paches to the surface and the result would be like the factory. Now I spend a lot on different and the only one a sticky film is what works on polyester wasent enough with one pakket and Itried with som gorilla on the last i Even meltet IT together close to the egde. The shop want or cant order one! So I have to buy a New but not Expeed. Another similar i know I can repair
We're sorry to hear you had that experience. Please contact your local distributor for further assistance. Here's a list of our distributors around the world: www.exped.com/en/contact
can you do a video showing how to get the 7R LW back into the carry sack after blowing it up, is it possible?
Hi there. We have a video showing how to deflate and roll up backpacking mats. Here is the link to the video: ua-cam.com/video/Z4jh-cmCGKE/v-deo.html&ab_channel=EXPED The mat in this video is an Ultra mat with a different R value, but the technique is the same for the Ultra 7R LW. Please let us know if you have any questions.
I beg you, make a medium wide duo mat! Us shorties don't need the extra length but still appreciate the extra width with two people
If you don't mind a little extra weight the mat covers let you buddy up two mats side by side. Works well and if you like different inflation pressures it's all good.
Lacy, thank you for the feedback, we will take that into consideration.
That's a great suggestion Peter, we do offer the Universal Mat Coupler Kit to help keep two individual mats together, so you can customize to accommodate any size mats.
The mat coupler kit works really well. We use it with 2 pieces of the synmat 9 LW.
Can an R-value be too high? Like is the Ultra 7R too warm in the summer? Or doesn't that matter?
Mats with high R-values aren't necessarily going to make one feel too hot in the summer in the same way a winter sleeping bag might. A higher R-value mat does mean you won't be able to exchange heat with the ground as much, but since heat rises, this usually doesn't result in an uncomfortable "hot" feeling against the pad- it just means more of your body heat is going into your sleeping bag, quilt, or blankets (instead of into the mat/ground). To use an example, although regular (on your bed at home) mattresses theoretically also have very high R-values, they're still comfortable to use in the summer unless you have too many blankets and/or sheets on top of you.
@@ExpedLLC alright, thx :D
Oh and in Australia, the pumping bag is sold separately, it doesn’t come with the mattress
I have seen few of your videos and loved it! btw your music at the start and the end is too loud and your voice is too small😢
No place does it mention that the outside rails of the Grey Mummy 7R are not insulated. I learned after $238 & confirmed with Exped that, the 7R Down Mummy's rails are still not insulated (Green 3R & 5R 100% insulated). Great mats though. Great service. I will go green next time.
Probably to save weight?? Did they tell you why they decided to go with that design? Awesome heads up though. You literally just saved me money. I was going to pick up the ultra 7R for winter. I have the 3r for everything else and it's a fantastic pad. It's cheaper than pretty much every other pad I would want to buy and just as comfortable. The only thing more comfortable than my 3r is the sea to summit either light xt, but it's a bit bulkier as well.
Do they still slip like crazy on DCF tent floors?
The new recycled fabric is naturally more "grippy" than our older mats were, so they won't slide around on DCF as much, and it won't feel like a slip-n-slide when you're in your sleeping bag.
I beg you to please get Ultra 3r mummy back in stock. The MW specifically. You don't even have them in stock on your site, and they are invisible online. I'm waiting and waiting. But that's the pad I want.
Hi! Our Ultra 3R mummies are in stock. Here is the link: www.expedusa.com/collections/backpacking-trekking-mats/products/ultra-3r?variant=42048943554777 Thank you!
@@ExpedLLC thanks! I must have been on some other countries exped when I was looking! I ordered one from your site this morning.😁
what do you recommend of dura 5r mw or ultra 5r mw?
All depends on what would best suit your needs. The Dura line prioritizes durability, whereas the Ultra line prioritizes weight.
Ultra is usless! It Will leak after 14 days, and it must be around the walwe but also the surface is jugde to get punktured to easly. Even throug the footprint and bottom. In norway we make a bed of grain. Its not its needels but eg. Ever hard shape Will make you wake UP on the ground and the glue can be old and turned to Stone. Or leak and melt and destroy all as it is in the same bag. I have to steal a kit from a bag in the store. 220 euro!
I want to buy 5R LW but i cant find in ITALY, not in asia, africa, IN ITALY!!
Release a sheet for these! Especially the tapered duo version please
Hi Alejandro, we do not have a tapered sheet, but this year we did come out with a new line of Organic Cotton Mat Covers for all EXPED rectangular mats.
When are the specs released?
While there isn't a firm date that all websites will be updated, it will happen soon. Specs for our new mats are almost identical to the prior generation. It is primarily the name and colors that have changed with our mats, as well as an increase is recycled materials.
Exped.com doesn't have the new information listed yet, but if you are located within the USA, please feel free to visit expedusa.com and you should be able to find additional details for the new products.
You said nothing about the actual design, which most do not find nearly as comfortable at other, such as quilted.
Why allways ugly circus colored gears. I dont understand that. Hikers make a camp and it looks like a rubbish dump. Neon colored gears all around.
I love how ridiculous the claim that the outer air chambers being bigger provides a "cradling" effect.
And here's that other video you'll need.
ua-cam.com/video/SiBxhnxosBc/v-deo.html