Can We Improve The Valve Seat Runout On A New Aftermarket C12 CAT Head?

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  • Опубліковано 10 чер 2023
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  • @JAMSIONLINE
    @JAMSIONLINE  Рік тому +6

    Check out the long form version: ua-cam.com/video/GNRjdqxA0Do/v-deo.html

  • @lovesloudcars
    @lovesloudcars Рік тому +83

    You KNOW as a subscriber im gonna watch the long video too, but enjoy these shorts too! This is how I found your channel.

  • @fusion_phoenix
    @fusion_phoenix Рік тому +40

    that's crazy!! that it's a brand new head and you guys could make the tolerances even tighter and precise 🤯🤯🤯

    • @roodgeregeld
      @roodgeregeld 8 місяців тому +1

      Brand new doesn't mean it's good... 9 out of 10 have be made gooder... Even hi-performance(race) stuff I've had new Edelbrock heads that weren't straight on the deck...

  • @petegeralis7076
    @petegeralis7076 Рік тому +8

    This is what” just because it’s new, doesn’t mean it’s good”. Means

  • @WIRobin
    @WIRobin Рік тому +23

    Shit, our runout tolerance on prefinished seats is .0008 max we make some of the toughest valve seats in the world

  • @reidthompson8979
    @reidthompson8979 Рік тому +5

    Keep up the great work! Just got a Honda B20 head done at a small, local head shop rather than the commercial one that’s also in town, you inspired me to support them seeing your work, and it turned out great!!

  • @jdsstegman
    @jdsstegman Рік тому +15

    Yikes! This is why one double checks parts! Just assuming that's its new doesn't mean anything.

  • @jddiesel7409
    @jddiesel7409 Рік тому +10

    Hopefully they got the updated cam followers while they're in it.

  • @ercost60
    @ercost60 Рік тому +1

    TORRANCE RULES!

  • @Motor-City-Mike
    @Motor-City-Mike Рік тому

    The same as aftermarket performance cylinder heads for gasoline applications.
    I ultimately ended up only supplying three manufacturers' products during race/high performance engines built for customers.
    To supply any other brands requiring complete re-machining of their products.

  • @BumAzzSugarDaddy
    @BumAzzSugarDaddy Рік тому

    Man this work never seizes to amaze me. Such precision 👏

  • @cheyenne1010
    @cheyenne1010 Рік тому

    Man I watch almost all your videos all I can say is I wish there were more mechanics like y'all in the world keep it up always an out standing job

  • @Tony-ps9qk
    @Tony-ps9qk Рік тому +3

    Going above and beyond - love it

    • @aloneinfinland
      @aloneinfinland Рік тому

      its not above and beyond if your making the customer pay for it!

    • @Tony-ps9qk
      @Tony-ps9qk Рік тому +1

      @@aloneinfinland while I'll agree to a extent. We live in a world where craftsmen are a dying breed and "it's good enough" is the more common theme

  • @treeguyable
    @treeguyable Рік тому +3

    So much better than almost all of the other stupid vids on here.

  • @bigwilly43729
    @bigwilly43729 Рік тому +2

    This is art.

  • @randmayfield5695
    @randmayfield5695 10 місяців тому

    In high school working in a garage part time. One fine beautiful sunny day one of the mechanics who was doing a drum brake job was using a screw driver to remove a drum return spring when the stew driver slipped off the spring and went up into his eye. He lost the eye.
    When I see individuals doing anything in a shop and they aren't wearing eye protection I think of this. I take shop courses at the local community college and college wide, the first thing you do when you walk into the shop is put on your safety glasses.....NO EXCEPTIONS.

  • @klausvonschmit4722
    @klausvonschmit4722 Рік тому

    The customer is going to feel power he has felt in some time! Nice work Junior

  • @jeffreycotton1345
    @jeffreycotton1345 Рік тому

    I'll take your word for it.

  • @davidortiz173
    @davidortiz173 Рік тому

    Fascinating stuff!

  • @geraldhague6170
    @geraldhague6170 Рік тому

    I like your videos this machine shop work is something I missed out on learning but you never know what the future holds keep up great work

  • @Embarq007
    @Embarq007 Рік тому

    Fascinating stuff each and every episode

  • @billbernhard3582
    @billbernhard3582 Рік тому

    Nice job ! Very careful and professional !

  • @matthewghardy
    @matthewghardy 4 місяці тому

    You guys are so dang good

  • @jessgatt5441
    @jessgatt5441 6 місяців тому

    Way cool video, love watching.

  • @chrisclarke3965
    @chrisclarke3965 Рік тому +16

    How does the cost and time balance off against a CAT Reman?

    • @hisnameisiam808
      @hisnameisiam808 Рік тому

      Same question.

    • @mitchelldake7203
      @mitchelldake7203 Рік тому +3

      From my experience, probably pretty well. Cat genuine reman stuff is extremely high quality (usually...I've been hearing rumors of some increasingly poor quality products) but it's 3 or 4 times as expensive as anyone else's equivalent.

    • @Ceedub3406
      @Ceedub3406 Рік тому +1

      @@mitchelldake7203unfortunately, yes. CAT heads and packs are nice quality but their fuel system components have taken a serious dive in quality

  • @flammarama
    @flammarama 5 місяців тому

    Great video series

  • @wealthyblackman2655
    @wealthyblackman2655 Рік тому

    Thank the EPA for keeping old engines running and people working their jobs. Yay

  • @johnlarett9891
    @johnlarett9891 Рік тому

    Don't have a clue what he's talking about,!!😅Lol...but
    It sounds great because I love learning about new things...
    Auto mechanics are some of the coolest professional jobs I've seen in the racing industry....great job

  • @shamas-sha
    @shamas-sha Рік тому

    very well done bro nice work

  • @Ferdrew-rp5ey
    @Ferdrew-rp5ey Рік тому

    BEAU fixed Engineering !! 💥💯💪
    See ya in the South Cal ! ☝️👍😁

  • @JF32304
    @JF32304 9 місяців тому

    The setup takes the absolute longest!

  • @aaronpreston47
    @aaronpreston47 11 місяців тому

    I was wondering why you plugged the way passage through the head gasket. Then I realized that less holes in the head gasket means a stronger gasket with less points of failure.

  • @Op1zilla
    @Op1zilla 11 місяців тому

    Great Work 👽👍🏻✨

  • @williammonahan8893
    @williammonahan8893 Рік тому +1

    So you don't have to seat valves anymore?

  • @jimmungai1938
    @jimmungai1938 Місяць тому

    The Certi is a very good machine, but I like the sun and I think it’s the VG 120 the pilots don’t turn when you’re making your cut on the seat you push the pilot in and then you bring the cutter down to it by doing that you have a more stable cutter remember that cutters gotta have room to be able to move around we know the still very good machine. I just think the sunen is better

  • @alialmahanawi8409
    @alialmahanawi8409 11 місяців тому +1

    You have all these high tech equipment and wouldn’t be able to weld the cracked head. The Pakistan Stone Age technicians weld the cracked engine head and cylinder bock , by preheating with dried cow manure and then welding with nickel .Actually they do an amazing job 😂

  • @Bnp2323
    @Bnp2323 Рік тому

    Yes

  • @SBS_Auto
    @SBS_Auto Рік тому

    Very cool

  • @paulsandoval3203
    @paulsandoval3203 Рік тому

    Where you guys at? I need some work done I live in Pueblo co

  • @rangerst_870
    @rangerst_870 Рік тому

    I want to get one of those valve spring compressors!!

    • @kaiden9058
      @kaiden9058 Рік тому

      Ive got one and its the only way to go

  • @jesuselmesias395
    @jesuselmesias395 Рік тому

    Nice

  • @DonCorleone0602
    @DonCorleone0602 9 місяців тому

    Where can I buy one of the valve spring compressors?

  • @christopheryoung826
    @christopheryoung826 Рік тому

    Whered you get the air compressor?

  • @user-xk2qs1pm4q
    @user-xk2qs1pm4q Рік тому

    Overall will there be a noticeable difference with the performance? Does this help get more power out of an engine, higher efficiency, longer life? Genuinely curious as to the added benefits to take the time to get a tighter tolerance. Have only been introduced to machining from your shorts mostly

  • @hughjazzole2037
    @hughjazzole2037 Рік тому

    Are heads always jink aftrr they crack? Or can thry be welded??

  • @jayengineeringheadrepair7360

    Good tools vallseat deep Gage. What mm clirience sir this head

  • @-LIONHEART
    @-LIONHEART 11 місяців тому

    You guys do diesel engines for semi truck ?

  • @ZLUVCRUCE
    @ZLUVCRUCE Рік тому

    Can you work a 280zx turbo head and block?

  • @alfredoc1283
    @alfredoc1283 Рік тому +2

    Thats awesome. Who do you buy your aftermarket parts from?

    • @Dfk429S9fo3
      @Dfk429S9fo3 Рік тому +1

      They said where the parts came from.

    • @alfredoc1283
      @alfredoc1283 Рік тому

      ​@@Dfk429S9fo3 you cant buy directly from most manufacturers like IPD. im asking who he bought from, not who makes it!

  • @tomnekuda3818
    @tomnekuda3818 Рік тому

    It's not generally to hard for good machinists to improve even new parts.

  • @danieljackson6427
    @danieljackson6427 11 місяців тому

    What about the other head on that V12 ?

  • @archangel3237
    @archangel3237 Рік тому

    I'm not a diesel guy, I'm curious, why do they turn the valvetrain 45*?

  • @ericgeneric5548
    @ericgeneric5548 Рік тому

    Did the same mistake on an overhaul.

  • @worldtraveler930
    @worldtraveler930 Рік тому +1

    Just exactly how does someone trash the head on a Cat engine that bad?!? 🤔

  • @robertoudokrapf453
    @robertoudokrapf453 Рік тому

    MUITO BONITO E PARCIALMENTE CERTO. Um pouco fora da realidade Técnica.

  • @jozi9301
    @jozi9301 Рік тому

    I have no idea about any of the things in the vid, how much did a job like that cost? 1k? 10k? 10m? $20?

  • @user-uk1qk1qy1w
    @user-uk1qk1qy1w Рік тому

    В Пакистане без измерительных приборов делают

  • @yoyo762
    @yoyo762 Рік тому

    How were the valve seats so oval( run out)?? That is some crappy machining from the head supplier.

  • @YounesYounes-ho9wh
    @YounesYounes-ho9wh Рік тому

    إنها عمال جدا جدانا❤❤❤

  • @upnywhiteb
    @upnywhiteb 10 місяців тому

    This is Einstein stuff.

  • @amandasoto3703
    @amandasoto3703 8 місяців тому

    What’s with the ketchup

  • @nicholaspiscitelli7685
    @nicholaspiscitelli7685 Рік тому +3

    Nobody's that smart

  • @royhellmann9018
    @royhellmann9018 Рік тому

    Hi... like to know where u got the valve seat run out tool to check concentricity of the guide to the seat... or who makes it... thanks

    • @dc6233
      @dc6233 Рік тому

      Probably Serdi, search for "seat runout indicator" and you'll find many...

  • @firstname6208
    @firstname6208 Рік тому

    So exactly what parts did u reuse from the old head? Springs and retainers? Would have been faster to put on a reman head. If seat runout was within spec why mess with it at all. This isn't a race engine, customer wants the truck making money asap.

  • @thomaskovacs5094
    @thomaskovacs5094 Рік тому

    Is it common to lap valves on stuff like this or is that just a gas engine thing

    • @cedricwilson2055
      @cedricwilson2055 Рік тому

      You lap the valves to see where the seat is. It’s not just a gas engine thing it’s any head with valves.

  • @pauldusa
    @pauldusa Рік тому +1

    You don’t Lap the new valves

    • @cedricwilson2055
      @cedricwilson2055 Рік тому

      You find where the valve face and face of the seat meet. You’re not trying to remove material.

  • @Aventuras_en_Moto_Hn
    @Aventuras_en_Moto_Hn Рік тому +2

    All that labor,,,, and the driver forget change the engine oil on time,,,, 😅😅😅😅

  • @matthewhansen5008
    @matthewhansen5008 Рік тому

    Aren't all Cat heads cracked between the valve seats?

    • @onthelake9554
      @onthelake9554 Рік тому +1

      Yes , seat to seat is perfectly normal .

  • @bradlarocque1698
    @bradlarocque1698 Рік тому +1

    I hate IPD! good work though!

  • @wazza33racer
    @wazza33racer Рік тому

    C-12..........just find a dumpster and dump it.

  • @brandons9138
    @brandons9138 Рік тому

    How is that new bear head so terrible when it comes to run out? Thats terrible.

    • @marcusmarrs
      @marcusmarrs Рік тому +1

      Because it’s made in China.

  • @OleksaRemont
    @OleksaRemont 8 місяців тому

    Аааа візьміть мене на роботу по ремонту двигунів.

  • @dc6233
    @dc6233 Рік тому

    Shows the lousy quality of an aftermarket head, they bang them out quick....

  • @aloneinfinland
    @aloneinfinland Рік тому

    translation, the new part was withing spec and working fine, but we wanter to charge hiom a fuck tonne more labour, so we made a video trying to justify it....

  • @Wasssssuppppppp6869
    @Wasssssuppppppp6869 Рік тому

    Sounds like you should of done the OEM and left it alone.

  • @wadechadwick4323
    @wadechadwick4323 Рік тому

    Proper procedure:
    1. CLEAN AND INSPECT
    2. NOTIFY CUSTOMER OF ALL FINDINGS AND SUGGEST LEVEL OF REPAIR
    3. GET CUSTOMER APPROVAL BEFORE ORDERING PARTS.
    SIMPLE!

  • @matthewcrosby3615
    @matthewcrosby3615 Рік тому

    Doubt it, you blew the head with a shitty valve kit, then ordered a cheap defective cylinder head that you "machined it close enough" and charged them for every step on the way.

  • @davidsymalla4785
    @davidsymalla4785 10 місяців тому

    Didn't wonder one little bit. I guess half a thow on the runout?

  • @shitindawoodsbear2798
    @shitindawoodsbear2798 7 місяців тому

    K factor g money

  • @trxtech3010
    @trxtech3010 Рік тому +2

    Those cracks won't cause any harm there is no water jacket in there...

  • @user-cunt
    @user-cunt 5 місяців тому

    How much does a job like this cost