Feed AI with a bunch of COBOL snippets, it will learn to replicate them for new applications and types of hardware in a heartbeat. Maybe it has already even been done. Helps because most COBOL code out there by default does the most basic tasks.
Regarding COBOL It's still used in some systems especially in banking. There are so few people that know it that you get paid quite a lot if you understand COBOL and can deploy on mainframes.
Yes, it's the same with LISP! I'm 26 years old and I learned LISP and COBOL at university. Everyone told me "don't do it" for a lot of stupid reasons with no arguments. Today, most of the people I work with are close to retirement, so in a few years I'll probably be the only one in my company who can understand how our business logic works. I'll (almost) literally be the only person who can work on the oldest and most specific projects still in use today. The company I'm currently working for has understood this, and they pay me a lot more than my manager, because if I leave, there'll be nobody left to write COBOL programs. They try to recruit young people, but nobody wants to do COBOL :/
@@Eloii_Xiaany advice for me? I understand cobol and know how to compile with JCL and use on the mainframe even within a CICS region deployed via jcl as well.
@@BlueDippy Personally, if I had to hire a junior COBOL developer, I'd expect from him /her Cloud skills and a decent level of Java. I'd also expect an understanding of z/OS and the IBM ecosystem (DB2, TSO and IMS), and of course SQL! Otherwise, knowledge of eclipse-based development environments for the mainframe (IBM IDz, Topaz ) and UNIX knowledge would be a plus. So I don't have any special advice for you. Trust yourself and apply for jobs. It won't cost you anything to apply.
@@BlueDippy Many companies use Java alongside mainframe services. It's not a necessity, but knowing how to use Java is a serious advantage. It all depends on the company and its needs. For example, in my company, we have Cloud services that require Java developers with basic knowledge of COBOL and mainframe. Some of our developers only do COBOL and are mainly assigned to the maintenance of historical services. They develop almost nothing in COBOL because we try to reduce the addition of COBOL code to our services. Personally, my position requires the use of COBOL, Java, C, ASM and LISP. That's why Java is important. It's not a necessity, but it gives you a big advantage when you apply!
I used to like it as a mechanical engineering student, but that's because we only know matlab... Once you know python for science, it's extremely powerful, fast enough, and most importantly FREE
Python is not the solution to every problem lol. I use python more than Matlab and I know it has great resources, but there are some especific applications that python won't help e.g control system analysis and many others.
@@matloose Python isn't a solution it's an extremely versatile tool. And yes, I've used both Python and C for running analysis on PID systems when I was working on robotics. Matlab is slow, painful to use, requires a paid license, and you're pretty much locked in with what you've got.
@@rentokawaii1216 Matlab stands for Matrix Laboratuary. Matrices in mathematics start with index 1 so it only makes sense for matlab to use index 1 aswell.
@@theshermantanker7043 Cobol isn't going anywhere either. Like it or not (probably not), but it's ingrained enough that it's going to take a loong time to replace it, especially according to the "why change what works?" principle.
Cobal may be hated, but as you said, it’s used to maintain legacy code, and it used to be huge so there are a lot of big companies willing to pay a lot of big numbers to people who can keep their old code running. It’s one of those “you won’t enjoy the work, but your paycheck will make you not think about that
Matlab has a great community, and great tutorials on the official web page, the only down side is that is not free and is very expensive. But for quick prototyping and engineering is amazing, for filter design and control design is one of the best tools. I think that some times people skip the learning curve that involves grabbing a new language and start a bad relationship with the language. I love matlab but a understand why some people hate it.
@@hamm8934 Have you ever done anything that used physical hardware? Matlab has so many features objectively not present in any other language or ecosystem, things like control libraries and MPC
@@marc_frank Mayo Technical School now called Big Sandy Community and Technical College. Paintsville, KY. Changed from School to College the 2nd year I was there. Got a diploma instead a degree. We had a System36 that emulated a AS400. Then the 2nd year they had an actual AS400.
I taught myself BASIC on a Commodore Vic 20. When I got my programming degree in 1987, the primary language was COBOL, because the main employer in the area was state government, and they all had IBM mainframes. COBOL was pretty universal. IBM had only released their first PC a couple of years before. I coded in COBOL until 2001, when I was offered a chance to transition to Windows Server applications programming in VB6. That was great, but when we transitioned to C#, it was even better. That's what I coded in until I retired in 2016. But I actually liked COBOL. It was great for batch programming and OLTP. It was quite procedural, but later, after I left COBOL, IBM created a version that had objective features. I never used it, but I suspect it might have been interesting.
Yeah and that's the only thing it should be used for. When I started working at ABB (one of the biggest power electronics companies) I was absolutely shocked to see the majority of the control software for the trains programmed in MATLAB/Simulink💀💀
Learning Matlab in the university was pretty cool, all variables are a type of matrix and you can do matrix operations in a flash, learned a lot of image manipulation (same as you can do with opencv now days) as well as having lots of cool modules such as Simulink to build complex mechanical simulations with block diagrams, modifying inputs and checking outputs, and also biochem modules and biological simulations as well. But... The scripts were slow as hell. In conclusion, python wins hahaha
I’m very surprised that VB is in here, I learned basic on a C64, then basic on DOS then moved into visual basics for excel and also the standalone version. I did learn C, C++ and C + Turbo but it just felt that basic was easier to use. I made HTML editors, Fruit/slot machines/ other games too, also database for a cashing check shop. Picture editing programs, hand writing recognition and programs to link with LCD displays. Probably a lot more I don’t remember over the years but I personally found it easy to use.
@Bakunawa it's popular by use, not because everyone likes it. Hell I have to use it for work and the language is utter garbage, don't get me started on angular...
@Bakunawa ah fellow dev. May you be blessed with good debugging sessions and stress free progress reports during monday morning meetings. PS: I like ts much better but its still polish on turd of a language imo.
I beg to differ, I think if we weighted how popular a language is with how much people hate it, Js would take the cake, what to expect from a language designed in only 10 days.
Actually MATLAB is confusing than Python 2/3. MATLAB is absurd to spend $800 per year or $2200 permanent. They're out of their minds spending excessively amount of money.
I'm 33 years old and got fed up with web development in React.js, Express.js and Django, so I learned cobol. Best decision I ever made. I'm actually getting to develop lots of new things, and I get to work on systems that performs a lot of mission critical functions.
With Oracle and other RDMS, newer COBOL isn't that bad. Previously, the job stream had steps to sort and prepare the data. Much of the applications were organizing the data so the next step could use it. Now, SQL does the heavy lifting.
Matlab is great for engineering and almost exclusively used for such; I use it quite frequently to generate digital filter coefficients and (rarely) for high level synthesis, both for PLDs.
Dude it is the backbone of banking infrastructure, it’s only useful on the mainframe because of its reliability and record handling. Over 900 billion lines of cobol code is used daily.
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I've heard from some old programmer that maintaining legacy code and mainframe is very very rewarding today as nobody is there to handle those systems. He called us js folks as script kiddies
I used to work as a consultant for a firm who handled payments for employees as a service (all in one bookkeeper software etc) their mainframe is still 40% written in COBOL. In 2020 during the pandemic. They hired a couple of retired programmers to help fix a critical bug. They ended up paying about 700€ per day after taxes just because nobody else qualified to do it.
Me who is learning how to code from different communities (of programmers) and youtube for free And I built my first project a month ago and I am trying to add mechanical switch control to that project.
VBA is _awesome._ It interacts with Excel and with the operating system _flawlessly._ It is also easy to read and understand. VBScript also interacts with the operating system and, you can declare the proper object to interact with any application that chooses to support that interaction. You can rag on VB and it's derivatives, but they work flawlessly with Windows and that means the vast majority of business computers.
Funny to see COBOL in this list. I just started learning and working with COBOL, though most of our work is done with CA2E (Synon), CA2E generates basic templates depending on the type of function you want to create and has user points where you can add your own code. It’s actually pretty simple once you get the hang of and it does at lot of the coding for you. I personally haven’t done any COBOL coding from scratch but I have had to read through and debug enough functions to understand why it’s on the list.
You gotta remember the worst feature of MATLAB It uses 1-based indexing Edit: Welcome to 1-Based Indexing Land, where all of your favourite languages with 1-based indexing can be found
I taught myself VBA from the macro record function, the immediate window and messing around automating workflows in word and excel. It's pretty useful when you pump it into Microsoft access and with the reference library you can jump into pretty much any Microsoft app - outside of that though... When I started learning dynamic typing languages i freaked out - I think VBA made me prefer static typing.
1 thing that I always notice that, ABAP Dev always filled with old or people who don't know really well about modern stack. And yes as you have said, it is really frustrating to work on ABAP when you know something better
So I. I am still building new programs and systems with Cobol every moment. Most people only know about the mainframe Cobol but ignore there are newer standards since 2000 also object-oriented too. The latest version of standard was 2014. See Micro Focus for object-oriented Cobol.
@@I___Am C, for all its faults, is actually a very simple and coherent language that's somewhat fun to program in, nothing like C++'s "let's try to make the one ultimate complicated language that has all the things except a decidable grammar, is useless for writing library interfaces because there's no ABI stability even among versions of the same compiler, keeps all of C's pessimistic undefined behavior shenanigans that make it impossible to write an OS or an embedded project without invoking UB and giving the optimizer free reign to break your low level code, while also turning the UB up to eleven thousand, and lets you overload operator+ to launch nukes." The "C++ FQA" is a very entertaining, albeit dated, read full of takes like this. IMO C++ is best used as "C but with methods on structs, and namespaces, and the occasional simple template". Trying to do Java-style OOP in it is not advised, and stay away from exceptions or std:: templates to the greatest extent possible.
Maybe we walked similar paths, I got into coding because I wanted to do awesome things with excel and VBA was about it. Then I thought damn I like all of this. Maybe you know how to do time series with tensorflow?
I use it as a pharmacy intern building excel calculators for drug dosing. I feel like I'm getting good at it, but at the same time it seems like there's a way easier way to do everything I do.
COBOL was invented pre-security, but knowing how to secure mainframes running COBOL in 2023 and going forward is a high paying gig. I am learning COBOL and how to secure it now. Almost every bank and card processor in the USA use IBM z16 and z17 mainframes
I was on a forum that specializes in CAD code development. I solved the problem in c#. They asked if I could give it to them in VBA instead... I did not.
As physics major and working on both python and Matlab, I found that some of the numerical approximation algorithm can only run on Matlab due to speed. Python frequently crashes even tho they are the exact same code and same computer. I still think matlab is quite good at some tasks as someone said in the chat as well
My first ever coding experience was for a linear algebra class during Covid. Everything was online, I was trying to learn linear algebra, but the professor wanted to make it a 50% programming course, so I had to learn MATLAB online at the same time. It was dreadful, but I somehow pulled through with a B.
Curiously enough, given the age of COBOL and the scarcity of COBOL devs, it is actually in high demand due to the fact that a lot of banks and hospitals still have systems than run on COBOL
@@CodingWithLewis people HATE java. As much as they do, they hate even more and people always hope they wont need to use it or they try to switch to something else. Every java application ive used has run worse thsn electron 😆 I don't evrn wanna get into the oracle stuff...
I think VBA is really cool, because its really easy to learn and to understand. Learning programming in Excel is one of the best paths to learn programming i think.
What language do you hate the most? 🤔
english
@@ahmadalghali90lol
@@ahmadalghali90 if English was a programming language, it wouldn't be straight forward
Ada
@Bakunawa hmmm
Fuck me. I learned my first programming with matlab and vba. No fucking why I was traumatized
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😂
My introduction was Turbo Pascal
You might be an engineering student... Lol once you know python you can throw those in trash
@ACDavid you're telling me you started learning at 7 nice
I started at late 12 I'm 13 rn
Him trying to hype the last reveal
Subtitles: let me ruin it for u
@Glitter thanks 😂😂 a reply after 5 months Damm 😂😂
A take one more. I was thinking same btw.
I saw the subtitle, and immediately went to find out if anyone commented 😂
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Can I hop in this now???
Whoever picks up that COBOL developer job won't be sad after they see their paycheck.
That's because COBOL developers are an endangered species. Hard to find one.
COBOL now has many modern features that are rarely used. The syntax is ugly and wordy.
It’s a myth.. banks don’t pay devs well
Yep. My uncle is living the dream.
Feed AI with a bunch of COBOL snippets, it will learn to replicate them for new applications and types of hardware in a heartbeat. Maybe it has already even been done. Helps because most COBOL code out there by default does the most basic tasks.
Regarding COBOL
It's still used in some systems especially in banking.
There are so few people that know it that you get paid quite a lot if you understand COBOL and can deploy on mainframes.
Yes, it's the same with LISP! I'm 26 years old and I learned LISP and COBOL at university. Everyone told me "don't do it" for a lot of stupid reasons with no arguments. Today, most of the people I work with are close to retirement, so in a few years I'll probably be the only one in my company who can understand how our business logic works. I'll (almost) literally be the only person who can work on the oldest and most specific projects still in use today. The company I'm currently working for has understood this, and they pay me a lot more than my manager, because if I leave, there'll be nobody left to write COBOL programs. They try to recruit young people, but nobody wants to do COBOL :/
@@Eloii_Xiaany advice for me? I understand cobol and know how to compile with JCL and use on the mainframe even within a CICS region deployed via jcl as well.
@@BlueDippy Personally, if I had to hire a junior COBOL developer, I'd expect from him /her Cloud skills and a decent level of Java. I'd also expect an understanding of z/OS and the IBM ecosystem (DB2, TSO and IMS), and of course SQL! Otherwise, knowledge of eclipse-based development environments for the mainframe (IBM IDz, Topaz ) and UNIX knowledge would be a plus.
So I don't have any special advice for you. Trust yourself and apply for jobs. It won't cost you anything to apply.
@@Eloii_Xia I use TSO/ISPF with x3270 I hate zowe…. I understand DB2 and SQL still learning about IMS. Java though? Is that like a necessity?
@@BlueDippy Many companies use Java alongside mainframe services. It's not a necessity, but knowing how to use Java is a serious advantage. It all depends on the company and its needs.
For example, in my company, we have Cloud services that require Java developers with basic knowledge of COBOL and mainframe. Some of our developers only do COBOL and are mainly assigned to the maintenance of historical services. They develop almost nothing in COBOL because we try to reduce the addition of COBOL code to our services. Personally, my position requires the use of COBOL, Java, C, ASM and LISP.
That's why Java is important. It's not a necessity, but it gives you a big advantage when you apply!
Matlab is extremelly powerful if you use it for the tasks it was designed for. There is a reason why it is widely used by engineers and scientists.
I used to like it as a mechanical engineering student, but that's because we only know matlab... Once you know python for science, it's extremely powerful, fast enough, and most importantly FREE
There’s an open source alternative to matlab called octave, although not all functionalities of matlab is supported.
No engineers and scientists use matlab over python or even fortran. Engineering and science classes in undergrad is a different story
Python is not the solution to every problem lol. I use python more than Matlab and I know it has great resources, but there are some especific applications that python won't help e.g control system analysis and many others.
@@matloose Python isn't a solution it's an extremely versatile tool. And yes, I've used both Python and C for running analysis on PID systems when I was working on robotics. Matlab is slow, painful to use, requires a paid license, and you're pretty much locked in with what you've got.
I know for a fact that a lot of banks still use COBOL.
Isnt that a scary thought?!
It may not be modern but it is robust
@@CodingWithLewis it's not, I am glad they can handle billions operation without a bug for the last 40 years.
@ without a bug? Funny
@@CodingWithLewis it also explains some of the stories I've heard regarding Bank systems.
I like how he made a dramatic pause before COBOL, but subtitles literally showed the whole sentence
I remember the Y2K problem - some COBOL programmers were able to cash in on their 'obsolete' skills big time.
MATLAB has by far the best documentation of any language I’ve used
But matlab is ded cause of python
man i love an array index thats start from 1
@@rentokawaii1216 Usually that's what these science targeted programming languages do. Arrays indexed from 1 also has R and Octave.
@@rentokawaii1216 Matlab stands for Matrix Laboratuary. Matrices in mathematics start with index 1 so it only makes sense for matlab to use index 1 aswell.
In my opinion it’s too good, it’s almost impossible to figure out what anything means in that encyclopedia
Php devs escaped this time
Edit im a php dev
PHP isn't going anywhere, like it or not. I don't use it myself but it's not a bad language honestly, from the time I had with it
@@theshermantanker7043 lol I was just messing around
I use php
It's not php devs' fault that php is a garbage fire. If you manage to be productive despite all the trash php throws at you, the more power to you!
@@theshermantanker7043 Cobol isn't going anywhere either. Like it or not (probably not), but it's ingrained enough that it's going to take a loong time to replace it, especially according to the "why change what works?" principle.
@@asdfghyter lol laravel is a very lovely framework
Very very lovely
VBA was my first, it was fun since it was the first programming language that introduced me to the world of programming 🥰
Cobal may be hated, but as you said, it’s used to maintain legacy code, and it used to be huge so there are a lot of big companies willing to pay a lot of big numbers to people who can keep their old code running. It’s one of those “you won’t enjoy the work, but your paycheck will make you not think about that
Matlab has a great community, and great tutorials on the official web page, the only down side is that is not free and is very expensive. But for quick prototyping and engineering is amazing, for filter design and control design is one of the best tools. I think that some times people skip the learning curve that involves grabbing a new language and start a bad relationship with the language. I love matlab but a understand why some people hate it.
Just learn R. It has everything matlab, and more. Plus it’s completely free.
@@hamm8934 It has none of the toolkits, a huge benefit of matlab.
Python better than all
@@chop098 After a quick search, R has most, if not all of Matlab's tool kids in the form of libraries. One of the many perks of being open source.
@@hamm8934 Have you ever done anything that used physical hardware? Matlab has so many features objectively not present in any other language or ecosystem, things like control libraries and MPC
Lol and here's me with COBOL being the first language I ever dedicated myself to learning 😂
You are probably at a 900 IQ
Started with COBOL 74, then RPG 2, then BASIC. Worked as a programmer for little over a year. Then moved on. Could be behind a desk all day.
@@gregkilgore4035 could or could't?
where did you go if the latter?
@@marc_frank Mayo Technical School now called Big Sandy Community and Technical College. Paintsville, KY. Changed from School to College the 2nd year I was there. Got a diploma instead a degree.
We had a System36 that emulated a AS400. Then the 2nd year they had an actual AS400.
@@marc_frank misunderstood the question at first. 😆.
Couldn't be behind a desk all day.
Back to construction work. Laborer and equipment operator.
I taught myself BASIC on a Commodore Vic 20. When I got my programming degree in 1987, the primary language was COBOL, because the main employer in the area was state government, and they all had IBM mainframes. COBOL was pretty universal. IBM had only released their first PC a couple of years before. I coded in COBOL until 2001, when I was offered a chance to transition to Windows Server applications programming in VB6. That was great, but when we transitioned to C#, it was even better. That's what I coded in until I retired in 2016.
But I actually liked COBOL. It was great for batch programming and OLTP. It was quite procedural, but later, after I left COBOL, IBM created a version that had objective features. I never used it, but I suspect it might have been interesting.
How the hell do you put Matlab up there, Matlab is used for adding some extra logic into math compared for these general purpose languages
I’d rather use an abacus for math than Matlab for anything lol
Yeah and that's the only thing it should be used for. When I started working at ABB (one of the biggest power electronics companies) I was absolutely shocked to see the majority of the control software for the trains programmed in MATLAB/Simulink💀💀
Cos mat lab is aids to use.
I wrote my thesis on electrochemistry theory on Matlab, I used it because my university gave me the licence tho.
And cobol is literary business pacific language it’s not turning complete
Learning Matlab in the university was pretty cool, all variables are a type of matrix and you can do matrix operations in a flash, learned a lot of image manipulation (same as you can do with opencv now days) as well as having lots of cool modules such as Simulink to build complex mechanical simulations with block diagrams, modifying inputs and checking outputs, and also biochem modules and biological simulations as well. But... The scripts were slow as hell. In conclusion, python wins hahaha
I'm gonna pretend I understand what you said
@@quankhanh8533you and meh, both
I’m very surprised that VB is in here, I learned basic on a C64, then basic on DOS then moved into visual basics for excel and also the standalone version. I did learn C, C++ and C + Turbo but it just felt that basic was easier to use. I made HTML editors, Fruit/slot machines/ other games too, also database for a cashing check shop. Picture editing programs, hand writing recognition and programs to link with LCD displays. Probably a lot more I don’t remember over the years but I personally found it easy to use.
Man really taking shots at Jenkins with that groovy call out
expected to see javascript here...
excuse me, I’m hoping you mean javascript not typescript
Not enough people hate it :)
Where you see chaos I see freedom
@Bakunawa it's popular by use, not because everyone likes it. Hell I have to use it for work and the language is utter garbage, don't get me started on angular...
@Bakunawa ah fellow dev. May you be blessed with good debugging sessions and stress free progress reports during monday morning meetings.
PS: I like ts much better but its still polish on turd of a language imo.
I beg to differ, I think if we weighted how popular a language is with how much people hate it, Js would take the cake, what to expect from a language designed in only 10 days.
Men of Matlab, Resist. Fight !!!! 💂🗡️ 💂🗡️ 💂🗡️
Is it a hard course ? I have it next year
@@everythinggush easier than Python
Actually MATLAB is confusing than Python 2/3. MATLAB is absurd to spend $800 per year or $2200 permanent. They're out of their minds spending excessively amount of money.
@@Mnerd7368 I understand that it is costly but you get a licence from your uni or organisation.
I'm 33 years old and got fed up with web development in React.js, Express.js and Django, so I learned cobol. Best decision I ever made. I'm actually getting to develop lots of new things, and I get to work on systems that performs a lot of mission critical functions.
With Oracle and other RDMS, newer COBOL isn't that bad. Previously, the job stream had steps to sort and prepare the data. Much of the applications were organizing the data so the next step could use it. Now, SQL does the heavy lifting.
Matlab is great for engineering and almost exclusively used for such; I use it quite frequently to generate digital filter coefficients and (rarely) for high level synthesis, both for PLDs.
I like Matlab, it's simulink feature is great for chemical engineers. Combining Matlab with python you can do some crazy mathematical stuff incl ML
Me: playing the video for the 5th time and wondering when Haskell will show up
I wrote VBA for 12 hours straight for a group project. Safe to say I was not the same man after that.
Jeez I thought I was the only one hating Matlab (I'm studying engineering but also working as developer)
Matlab was with me for the 5 past year during my college,and i still don't understand it
I use VBA occasionally to Programm simple things occasionally since it's pretty easy to understand
For COBOL, yes you can! It’s used in some banks and stuff.
Dude it is the backbone of banking infrastructure, it’s only useful on the mainframe because of its reliability and record handling.
Over 900 billion lines of cobol code is used daily.
I love matlab (gnu octave is free version) but matlab is made for working with matrices….so math engineering and science not a general language.
Bro, I think you forgot to mention PHP 😂
Yeah, I use PHP, and I was expecting to see it on the list. It was number 2 on a list I saw somewhere for lowest pay.
PHP is a fairly easy language so I wouldn’t hate on it. You can hate the jobs that require it though.
"There is no bad PHP, only bad PHP programmers."
COBOL is what a lot of old bank systems still run on so if you know it you might get a good job for a bank but that’s it
I really don't understand, why do you call Matlab programming language ?
because he doesn't know what he's talking about
Because it is one? What does this question mean
@@orinbrim7019 it's a scripting language, more of a toolset like R studio than something like python or C++
@@percyvile you can program something with a scripting language, can't you? therefor all scripting languages are programming languages as well
@@alimertc Wrong. By that logic bash scripts are programs.
dude, cobol is run inside wireframe computer which usually used for banking and finance.. a friend of mine have 10x my salary doing cobol
my stepdad dropped a PHP book on my head at 15, and oh boy learning that shit was harder than the hit itself
Your step dad really try to father you or simply evil by unknowing instinctively or knowing
Who knows yet 😅😂
Wish you all well 😃🌟✨🙌
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Grouping groovy with These absolute ass languages when theres ABAP out there is just nitpicking in the same way JavaScript and php get flack
for me, my most hated programming language is JavaScript
test
I've heard from some old programmer that maintaining legacy code and mainframe is very very rewarding today as nobody is there to handle those systems.
He called us js folks as script kiddies
My first programming language was VB6, so VBA was a piece of cake. Actually really enjoyed it, especially with MS Access
I used Groovy for like a year and it was pretty easy really
It’s legit the easiest language lmao
Agreed, this bloke has no clue about it
It's very good with spock for testing Java/Kotlin code. I would not choose it instead of Java/Kotlin to write application though
I use VB 6.0 on daily basis. In application that I need to maintain and improve. It's heartbreaking.
I inherited vba projects but instead of maintaining then, I dedicated two years to rewrite it in c#. Best decision
I used to work as a consultant for a firm who handled payments for employees as a service (all in one bookkeeper software etc) their mainframe is still 40% written in COBOL. In 2020 during the pandemic. They hired a couple of retired programmers to help fix a critical bug. They ended up paying about 700€ per day after taxes just because nobody else qualified to do it.
him trying to make some suspense while announcing 1st
caption : I don't think so
Me who still uses scratch:
Assembly has got to be on this list
Why?
which assembly?
bro said groovy....💀
Me who is learning how to code from different communities (of programmers) and youtube for free
And I built my first project a month ago and I am trying to add mechanical switch control to that project.
Why is Matlab lacking basic programming functions. Some concepts like abstract classes are easier in Matlab than in Python.
I like MATLAB. Very useful videos to help me in my Signal Processing classes
stay away from MATLAB. It makes you lazy and does not have a proper structure for making a code. It is only good for doing the homework.
VBA is _awesome._ It interacts with Excel and with the operating system _flawlessly._ It is also easy to read and understand. VBScript also interacts with the operating system and, you can declare the proper object to interact with any application that chooses to support that interaction. You can rag on VB and it's derivatives, but they work flawlessly with Windows and that means the vast majority of business computers.
I had to make a tic tac toe game in MATLAB in my first semester of uni.
I love visual basic im gona cry i program all sorts of stuff with it
isnt it used to make windows applications? am studying a course on it currently
Man imagine hating something purely because it is old
Funny to see COBOL in this list.
I just started learning and working with COBOL, though most of our work is done with CA2E (Synon), CA2E generates basic templates depending on the type of function you want to create and has user points where you can add your own code.
It’s actually pretty simple once you get the hang of and it does at lot of the coding for you.
I personally haven’t done any COBOL coding from scratch but I have had to read through and debug enough functions to understand why it’s on the list.
People hate objective c but still force using it still force using it since a lot of applications use obj-c
Fun fact a bunch of stuff that matlab does, also comes in free libraries for python.
You gotta remember the worst feature of MATLAB
It uses 1-based indexing
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So does Pascal.
Because it's for people who use matrices, not programmers.
I think R does as well
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I taught myself VBA from the macro record function, the immediate window and messing around automating workflows in word and excel. It's pretty useful when you pump it into Microsoft access and with the reference library you can jump into pretty much any Microsoft app - outside of that though... When I started learning dynamic typing languages i freaked out - I think VBA made me prefer static typing.
I was expecting a reference to MATLAB's arrays starting index being 1 lol
Well I learned ABAP, which is the programming language of SAP and is derived from COBOL. It's not fun to use, when you know about modern languages.
And here I am, I was just resigned from ABAP developer
Such waste of time of my life
@@anbiabohlam5468 Same :D
1 thing that I always notice that, ABAP Dev always filled with old or people who don't know really well about modern stack. And yes as you have said, it is really frustrating to work on ABAP when you know something better
What about brainf*ck
Not used enough :)
anybody using brainf*ck are only doing it for the challenge
@@binguloid have you seen the ai that can code in bf
Try Malbolge
Being a groovy developer, completely agreed to it being so hated
Bro Matlab is extremely useful for scientific research!
I was like "where's Cobol?"
Then it happened.
I use Cobol at my job. We still write new programs in it.
I wish I learned cobol but I did c++ and then vba
What the heck lol
So I. I am still building new programs and systems with Cobol every moment. Most people only know about the mainframe Cobol but ignore there are newer standards since 2000 also object-oriented too. The latest version of standard was 2014. See Micro Focus for object-oriented Cobol.
Why??????
PHP: why im not in the list?
New versions of COBOL are actually very feature filled. The moshix UA-cam channel explains this very well. It's not just legacy code written in it.
Cobal is also used for maintaining many ATM machines, which is why anyone that knows it can do pretty decent in that niche.
C++ definitely needs to be on this list. Absolute nightmare to deal with even after learning it.
What ? C++ is everywhere you don't know about c++ because I think your first language was python 🤡
Try C, I bet you'll love it.
@@I___Am C, for all its faults, is actually a very simple and coherent language that's somewhat fun to program in, nothing like C++'s "let's try to make the one ultimate complicated language that has all the things except a decidable grammar, is useless for writing library interfaces because there's no ABI stability even among versions of the same compiler, keeps all of C's pessimistic undefined behavior shenanigans that make it impossible to write an OS or an embedded project without invoking UB and giving the optimizer free reign to break your low level code, while also turning the UB up to eleven thousand, and lets you overload operator+ to launch nukes."
The "C++ FQA" is a very entertaining, albeit dated, read full of takes like this.
IMO C++ is best used as "C but with methods on structs, and namespaces, and the occasional simple template". Trying to do Java-style OOP in it is not advised, and stay away from exceptions or std:: templates to the greatest extent possible.
@@I___AmWhen I switched from BASIC to C in the early ‘80s, I thought I’d died and gone to heaven. 😊
@@Zulonix
I bet only those smart people can fully learn and understand C, hell, I'll not be surprised if they learn assembly first before learned C. 😅
Visual Basic was my first programming language 😂
and your thoughts? 🤔
Same. Made a simple calculator app with it in elementary.
@@CodingWithLewis I only wrote 2 little programs.
I guess it is a pretty simple language, but else I don't know what I should think about it
Maybe we walked similar paths, I got into coding because I wanted to do awesome things with excel and VBA was about it. Then I thought damn I like all of this. Maybe you know how to do time series with tensorflow?
I use it as a pharmacy intern building excel calculators for drug dosing. I feel like I'm getting good at it, but at the same time it seems like there's a way easier way to do everything I do.
COBOL was invented pre-security, but knowing how to secure mainframes running COBOL in 2023 and going forward is a high paying gig. I am learning COBOL and how to secure it now. Almost every bank and card processor in the USA use IBM z16 and z17 mainframes
Bruh the title for this video should be: "programming languages you NEVER heard before" 😂😂
I was on a forum that specializes in CAD code development. I solved the problem in c#.
They asked if I could give it to them in VBA instead... I did not.
COBOL: Its 60+ years old & all you can do with it is maintain legacy code... FOR A SHIT TON OF MONEY BECAUSE THE SKILL IS VERY SCARCE!
School taught me Visual Basic, never want to learn programming after that nightmare
As physics major and working on both python and Matlab, I found that some of the numerical approximation algorithm can only run on Matlab due to speed. Python frequently crashes even tho they are the exact same code and same computer.
I still think matlab is quite good at some tasks as someone said in the chat as well
I love MATLAB
MATLAB is one of the easiest. Sorry man, you haven't programmed in MATLAB at all. You want to multiply two matrices? Do A*B.
Sure man.
Got my start on Visual Basic 5. It was loads of fun, and kid me got to make the equivalent of Quizlet years before it was a thing!
My first ever coding experience was for a linear algebra class during Covid. Everything was online, I was trying to learn linear algebra, but the professor wanted to make it a 50% programming course, so I had to learn MATLAB online at the same time. It was dreadful, but I somehow pulled through with a B.
I love VBA!
Groovy is my favorite language! 🤷🤣
Curiously enough, given the age of COBOL and the scarcity of COBOL devs, it is actually in high demand due to the fact that a lot of banks and hospitals still have systems than run on COBOL
I expected Assembly at the end
wonder Java is not in the list.
U r mom
People love Java :)
@@CodingWithLewis, I love Java too. But there's a lot of hate comments on Java.
@@CodingWithLewis people HATE java. As much as they do, they hate even more and people always hope they wont need to use it or they try to switch to something else. Every java application ive used has run worse thsn electron 😆 I don't evrn wanna get into the oracle stuff...
c++ not in the list, weird
some people LOVE C++
@@CodingWithLewis You have to be a psychopat to love C++ xd
Can you talk about googles new language Carbon and if it’s worth learning versus python?
Visual Basic was the first language I learned in high school 😭
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Same. I got marked down for creating sub par projects. I got B+ in the end. Wasn't a good grade to be honest. Excel is not excellence to me.
Him: There’s not much you can do with Cobol
The Banks: 😬😬😬
He forgot about ABAP mentioning COBOL ^^
i used vba to a college project, i kinda enjoyed it
Fun fact: COBOL is still being used in most major banking institutions with almost a TRILLION lines of code currently in production.
In my last job I used to work with groovy. I just quit even without another job.
I think VBA is really cool, because its really easy to learn and to understand. Learning programming in Excel is one of the best paths to learn programming i think.
Bro I'm bout to become Mr. Cobb💀
I used to code in COBOL long time ago , and got a job in a bank bcs of COBOL
Speaking as someone who is fluent in VBA at a very high level..... I can confirm, it's only used in excel. :)
Brainfuck: allow me to introduce myself
I was sitting in suspense waiting to see if any of the languages I like were generally considered bad 😂