WE SIMULATED AND DESTROYED DEMOCRACY... (in minecraft)
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- Опубліковано 21 лис 2024
- The 2024 American Election- Trump or Kamala, Democracy vs Authoritarianism, USA vs ... Minecraft Civilizations? We simulated Democracy in Minecraft- complete with ELECTIONS, VOTES, BALLOTS, AND THREATS TO DEMOCRACY!!! Learn how we created then destroyed Democracy in MINECRAFT TODAY!!!!!
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Philosophy debate:
I absolutely agree on a good number of points you bring up, and i would like to complicate and add to a few of them. The first is the aristocratic council you talk about, i want to complicate this by adding that it should be democratic, let me explain. I would like to call the system im about to explain layered democracy, were going to refer to the head of state as the president. The president presides over ministerial positions that are appointed exclusively by the president, but to be the president you have to have been appointed minister. This is critical because it creates a aristocratic top that LOOKS democratic and allows for larp. It does 2 along with this, prevents the easy election of foreign agents since you have to be selected by the president to be a minister and prevents incompetent people from spreading to your upper government. Layered democracy has other aspects but you can look at it in my essay which is slightly underdeveloped.
Secondly i absolutely agree with developing facets of culture among all groups, i speak about this as well in my writing although it admittedly focuses more on foreign/geopolitical aspects of government. I think one of the killers of democracy is the dramatic shifts present in policy that occur when a shift of power happens. This means that your state lacks the ability to completely pursue one goal which can be helped by having universally accepted culture, like "We have holidays on x day" or "we do this build style". But i would like to build on your argument, i think another important aspect is maintaining geopolitical tenets as well. To do this i would institute a mandatory debriefing from the outgoing government to the incoming; to discuss everything the outgoing government has done and discuss their reasoning. This means that even if the incoming government is dramatically different to the outgoing, they, at the very least have to consider the reasoning behind the former governments actions and can choose to build off it or not. I saw this issue in Oceanum (which i was in for 2 years) where incoming governments had no map of the diplomatic or political landscape and were left completely in the dark by the outgoing government. That would be my solution to this issue.
Thirdly, i would like to discuss something you touched upon but did not go in depth to, political apathy. Similarly to our world political apathy is a prevalent issue, and i think it can be a even greater threat to democracy then internal issues. The way you go about helping this is by 1, hosting events and actually roleplaying. It is a roleplay server people want to participate in roleplay, doing even the bare minimum of hosting 1 event can dramatically help your populace. And the second is what i like to call the lower chamber, this is a part of layered democracy as well but were going to be touching on the aspect in which it helps participation. Make your lowest chamber have a dramatically low barrier of entry, the lower chamber will have virtually no actual power if you follow the principles of layered government and serves as a way to increase activity. We must remember that this is a political server, people join to gain power and be the next unicornboi or redfirerex, in that regard offering a easy and low tier government position where they cannot do any harm will make it to where you have immense participation, it's like writing a book, remember your audience!
And on your other points i think the low barrier of entry could help stop toxicity, if your almost guaranteed a spot in at least the lowest chamber it could help curve toxicity. Also yes spread your democracy throughout the world, democracys do far far better with more people in it ( also gives purpose ). Civic religion yes, create a culture of democracy and patriotism and you will always be democratic.
Anyways thats my yap session finished, heres my essay that i think i need to rewrite eventually if your interested docs.google.com/document/d/1qOO8OUwgu8RVk78HS11huSeUZOR8JYo1y9UdugdlZOs/edit?usp=sharing , enjoy - theunholycrusader_
Idk if it showed up or if im supposed to reply so uh... yay?
Why you use trump as the thumbnail, that political bro. Can we just play Minecraft.
Gets more clicks prolly
Fuck the usa 🖕 (in stoneworks)
@@jonandrescu686 Trump for king 2024 💯
Also having a O shaped parliament seating system is psychological smarter. Because you have a more unified people and debate. Rather then sitting on each side of the parliament like the UK, making the political world more polarized.
Well if ur goverment is as much of a shithouse as the Uks u prolly have some more severe problems to tackle...
My school, when I was 15, ran a Game of Thrones style event over about 3 months. It was wild. And I ended up ruling my yeargroup for a month until I decided we needed democracy and got overthrown by my own Prime Minister.
As someone who once lead a bloodless revolution against the Helsian government (HusbandDestroyer), I feel offended that my revolution wasn't mentioned.
(I was the leader for 3 whole days before being deposed)
I don't even know who you are. Were you that one guy who basically said I am the king of the peninsula or something?
Wait, are you telling me that I wasn't the only one who tried to do that, lol?
- CommanderJake04 | Oreä Faith and person behind the Helská Coup
@@albertiusoctavius Not even a participant in this server. At least you stayed longer than catalonias independence. Saying it as kind of an independist myself. Lmao
Welp out of all the rebels. I won, HAH should've hijack it legally ( -∀・)
My biggest critique of democracies in stoneworks is that so often they form like COG or Adramis in a federation style. They form as a means of uniting diverse player groups and as a result they have huge regional and diplomatic implications because of their size but then end up not having much longevity or staying power because their institutions rely on charismatic leaders and engaged players while they neglect lore and rp that would unite their nation closer together. Because of how they form, these federations come out of the gate with large communities but are too decentralized to last. On the opposite side of things, I cant remember a smaller city state style democracy which had the foundation and centralization to be a lasting democracy that worked. Its a situation where large democracies lack the foundation and centralization to last while small democracies lack the player base to actively participate in the democracy regardless of if they have a good cultural and institutional foundation. And with more centralization, there is more to lose from division in a small centralized democracy, and next thing you know Athens is executing Socrates and Plato is writing an entire philosophy on why democracy is bad. I'd also disagree with the application of democratic peace theory in stoneworks. Democracies here are either tumultuous because of changes in leadership and player turnover or they are large and diverse federations. These large differences limit democratic peace and similarities in general, as well as geographic isolation. Geography may even be the largest limitation to it and to cooperation in stoneworks in general. When people set regional values and work based on those to forge loose uniting groups, it works for democracies and non democracies alike. The northern lights and constellation of the north alliances worked for Katsura (northwestern eldham) for years and their success set the strong foundation for the formation of Ashai. It created the uniting philosophy that the continent could rally behind despite their otherwise diverse nations and cultures and let them centralize into the strongest empire on the server. Regional cooperation is a thorn in the side of democratic expansion. Players loyal to a monarch who is their friend and who has taken care of them wont change. Democratic expansion and democratic peace can exclusively work in defined geographic areas like large islands as Adramis has proven. As much as I love liberal theory in irl international relations, I think that realist theory is altogether much more valid and applicable in the context of stoneworks geopol and that honestly stoneworks players are just egocentric little goblins who ally with their neighbors sometimes out of genuine goodwill but often times moreso out of self interest and preservation.
Too many words…
Holy Yap.
My school, when I was 15, ran a Game of Thrones style event over about 3 months. It was wild. And I ended up ruling my yeargroup for a month until I decided we needed democracy and got overthrown by my own Prime Minister.
*FOR HONOR*
*FOR GLORY*
*FOR HELSIA!!!*
🧿
FOR HELSIA!
hello thai boi
Helsia eternal
Helsia moment
W Devoidy
Bro, he changed it from Trump to a Minecraft dude
The trump thumbnail was goated ):
Really?
I think it changes, I've seen other thumbnails change and revert back later. Could be randomized.
Hey, this is Carrotter. For the Adramis part of the video, I created the Adramis Coaliton and the whole of the subcontinent was part of it, even Gertek. Qynthos-Centuria never lost land under me, it only gained and eventually controlled half the subcontinent itself when I was head of the cold war against Blake. I wasn’t even a king, I didn’t rage quit or leave because of public outcry, I left because I was wrongfully banned and was fed up. Listen, I love the server. Anyone who’s part of Adramis knows that because I brought the original nations of the coalition there in the first place, I was the first person to step foot on the subcontinent and creator of the coalition after all. I understand that the information is biased and this is recognized in the video, but I’m just slandered when in reality people viewed my rule as immaculate for not just Qynthos, not just Adramis, but the entire continent of Cathramis as well. I think you’re a wonderful person Stoney, and I tried to reach out in order to give you a better retelling, but it feels like anyone who sees this video will have a wrongfully tainted image of me. Thanks to anyone who reads this, glory to the USA!
Justice for Carrotter man deserved better!!!
Hi, I'm Ferret, and yeah, what Carrotter is saying is true. I had nothing to do with the Aramis Coalition, and the coalition I worked on was after Carrotter went on a hiatus on the server, and was referred to internally as the South Adramis Front. Stoney probably got it mixed up since both involved similar names, but the video does give me credit for many of Carrotter's successes, and gave Carrotter the blame for many of Mystic King's fuck ups
I love qynthos, I helped carrotter along with stingy, and bogdan, I continued helping through mystickings reign of the nation. Carrotter never had any issue that wasn't handled, the "EMPIRE" of Qynthos-Centuria had developed a very good system, and though there were always problems to improve, none of the failings of a national level fell on carrotter. He even tried to be peaceful with zamots prior to his willing leave
It ain’t even just the things during your reign it’s the entire history Stoney fucked up
I wish I was able to be part of your nation
15:40 Montroig was always a direct democracy during its three-year existence, the only 'dictator' we ever had was someone roleplaying as one
10 out of 10... minus 10 for not mentioning the fact that the Gertek Horde is actually one of the successors to Kartek.
As someone who has expirience in Sw democracy one of the biggest problems is the claim system as a claim is owned by one person giving them a lot of power
Hopefully someday stoneworks will add democratised claims
From personal experience, Democracy on Stoneworks are way too hard to manage and maintain. Dictatorships are the way to go
yes
@@videogamemusicguy4208thank you Huitca anthem guy
It's hilarious when people say that cause the nation I live in has had the exact opposite experience. We stagnated under an autocratic nation built around one person who then did not step down when the rest of the nation finally had enough. Almost had a civil war when he just left Stoneworks all together.
right wing huitcan tl'hatl redfirerex over here
(idk how to spell it)
first PAY UP STONEY I WON THE CASE
he did it, he sued me and I settled out of court for 20$ and a ham sandwich
The ham sandwich addition is fire
Not when the Minecraft UA-camrs are becoming political💀💀💀
Minister of migration of Helsia here
I think a great reason Helsia was able to overpower the rest of the cog was because of huge population spike (gotta do some self boasting). A lot of the great Helsians were new people who were ambitious and had the resolve to push through. The other states had long since stagnated and didn't experience any growth. They only had a bunch of old members who were content and didn't strive to change the CoG when it was obviously flawed. Their inaction helped the destruction of the CoG.
Secondly Helsia was very nationalistic and militaristic. A bunch of our players (not me I'm garbage at pvp) joined merc groups. This gradually caused the CoG military to rely on Helsians and Helsian experience. At our highpoint the majority of the CoG military were Helsians. The fact that the other states allowed this and didn't see it as a wake-up call to change stuff led to their downfall.
Thirdly, Helsia was one of the few democratic states in the COG. Most were dictatorships and hampered change. This also caused a lot of states to be more independently oriented, Helsia wasn't the only state that found itself more important than the CoG.
However in Helsia because of our democracy ambitious individuals and groups were able to attain power and exercise power. This combined with our proud nationalism gave our whole nation one goal to achieve.
I think this just shows that the other states were complacent in a changing political landscape, and this led to their downfall.
But hey, I'm a Helsian nationalist so my vision on these events are a bit skewed
Very good Video :) Here is what I think:
For the first topic, I think that the Confederation of Garxijos fell apart because it relied too much on the single dominant leader, Boyo. He may have established the initial structure, but when he stepped down, Helia's power revealed just how weak the entire system was. The COG's setup kind of ignored the potential of one state hijacking the whole system from the inside. By stacking key government roles with their own people, Helia basically made the democratic system meaningless.
Personally I think that no one was too invested in actually following or enforcing laws, just using them when it was convenient. The Constitution was very bad at enforcing rules, so anyone willing to put in a bit of effort could 'legally' twist things however they wanted. It is like there was no ‘check’ to keep one group from completely taking over.
All in all, the COG’s collapse shows how important it is to balance power between regions and build a strong sense of unity. Without this, when problems arise, there is nothing to keep everyone together and united. The idea of celebrating shared culture or values is interesting, and yes, even a state in a Stoneworks needs Unity to survive! Democracy is more than just laws and votes. People need a reason to stay committed, especially when things get tough (And that is especially important in a video game where they have basically nothing to loose).
(thx for reading, this took way longer then expected xD. Btw my IGN is philrk and my DC is tryphlip)
We predicted it all! Greetings from Veitikkje and Leon
This is Robraph here, the chancellor of C.O.G.
While the video is mostly accurate, it skips a few things. The expansion of Garxijos and the original growth and systems were done by myself before the merger between Garxijos and Cognia occured. Buoyo came post merger where we had an informal agreement, with the a secondary office between buoyo and myself as president and chancellor; I would reflect ideas off him and vice versa, and we mediated as a dual-voice, until I stepped down from chancellorship and it was eventually absolved. Once the chancellorship was absolved, a lot of power was too centralised which caused issues for political institution and planning between the states, with the chances for vetoing and chancellor powers being removed.
Looks like democracy has prevailed
We did it Joe
Man, this Ferret peep seems really cool. Seriously though, thank you for the video!
My point can be sum up by this paragraph;
Democracy need guardian and need to be controlled, people need their representation in real life because they have other things to do and they cannot just dip from the country they live in do easily. Stoneworks? Everyone are equal, and everyone can dip to other nations or just quit. It’s that simple. Thus it need some sort of guardian that dedicates themselves to protect said system. Like a cult actually.
These info after this line will be support information that I had experienced first hand which gave me the conclusion i mentioned. (This info also includes comment under this message)
Before diving into the topic, I would like to highlight information stoney mentioned - that after CoGlapsed, Helsia actually transformed into a Republic with pro-democratic people by learning from CoG's mistakes. It took them almost an entire year, with elections every month and a balance of power between 2 consuls and 3 senators voted in by the people, until the democratic system turned into kleptocracy due to inactivity and inexperience of the governors.
And I want you to keep in mind at all time that, alot of this worked out because one factor that often overlooked, "Media" Helsia produced meme, media more than anyone in CoG, during or even after the independent. It created massive ego boost and nationalism. Even after CoGlapsed, degrade of democracy, or even Empire/Kingdom era. People still hold dearly to the image of Helsia, the meme that they found and read. It transfer past knowledge and history to new generation alongside old generation spirits of Proud Nationalistic Evil Helsian. You as a leader must be relatable to the people and the people must feel relate the system.
As a person who joined Helsia during CoG, lived through the Republic era, and was the one who dismantled the democratic system in Helsia and rebuilt it as an Empire authoritarian state, I love democracy - I love it dearly. But it's so fragile, and the Stoneworks server is like running a marathon 24/7 to keep your nation alive. You simply cannot hold the fragile system up without a lot of support from the people.
Helsia's democracy degradation happened because of inactivity, that's it. CoG democracy fell because people chose to speak more than act. Thus those who act win. And what's the best act that applies to real world and Stoneworks? Military and Wealth. Those who controlled these control the nation.
When Helsia was democracy, the problems we faced as a nation were, how are we supposed to get our necessary funding together? At first it wasn't a problem because the CoGlapse veterans (referring to those who fought for Helsia's independence) were in charge of the government. Often the election would result in either 2/3 or 3/3 seats controlled by the veterans who also controlled the money, capital, and important claims. Thus when these people quit or became inactive, new players could not nor had the ability to fulfill these hidden abilities of the veterans.
Thus another issue arose: how can a nation become stable if the leader doesn't know how to do anything? Often times, democracy gives rise to "new face" high-spirit candidates that get chosen to fill positions and give room for older generations to become inactive. But this is not like real life where we have adults running things, who went to school and have proper education. We have kids and children. And we all make stupid decisions. And teens don't train other teens. Thus human resource development wasn't fast enough to counter the decay process of inactivity.
My point here is that you can probably see that letting new generations run the nation without supervision is like letting kids cook with knives and fire. Democracy on Stoneworks needs guardians - they need to be guarded and controlled and protected by its seasoned veterans. They don't have to play nor act, just have enough power to void or guide the nation away from the path that will lead to its own destruction. Every nation has a shadow government for a reason. Democracy might seem like a system that lets people choose and have choices to change their lives, but it needs to be within limits that won't come back and hurt them in the end.
Another problem that also arose was "International problems." Imagine yourself as a nation leader allied with Helsia. When your ally changes leaders and power influence internally every 2 months or 3 months, can you still trust that they will remember the time you fought together? Will they still honor their treaties and most importantly, will they know how to properly act as an ally? This was my first mistake when I got elected as a Consul of Helsia during the Republic era. I was inexperienced and unable to make decisive decisions in time, which led to "The Imperium" - one of Stoneworks' powerhouses - telling us to never contact them again because we weren't being helpful. Many of you might think that being a foreign diplomat could be anything - you are outright WRONG. On this server, we talk to those who can sign deals, those you can talk about secrets with right away, on time, on the spot. Those with whom you build trust and season by struggling together as foes. And by changing this position or head of state that's supposed to be doing this position every now and then, it creates uncertainty, which becomes a downside for other nations to consider before signing anything with a democratic nation.
Do I have to say more about military? It's basically the same problem as diplomacy, but combined with wealth (armor, war supplies, money for mercenaries) and skill.
I was lucky that Helsia was a diarchy, which means it always had 2 heads of state at the same time no matter what system. This structure created opportunities for leaders to split their decisions and power to balance each other, while also giving leaders time to relax and focus on their work and life more. My experience was that as a leader, I took care of all diplomacy while my best friend handled all internal/domestic problems and kept the nation running as a nation. And at the end of the day, both of us talked to each other about decision-making, sort of like everyday casual meetings.
You might see that I emphasize that it was my "best" friend that ran the nation with me. Yes, this system basically works like a charm whether you are not best friends with your co-leader or are best friends. Because you can either argue with each other to balance each other out or become schizophrenic and delusional together that keeps things moving. Whatever side of the coin, the nation still moves forward.
Helsia turned from Republic to Empire, then to Kingdom with constitutional monarchy, however the monarch has absolute power to guide the nation if they see that the path they are walking will lead to destruction itself.
I will share the link of our last edition of constitution, that we took months to perfect together as a community. It is not a Direct democracy, but it is democratic enough to actually let smart people vote - ain't no way I will let stupid people vote.
Fun fact, this constitution was drafted by the people Helsia attacked during CoG era (e8k from Neuver Trinidad). We talked and developed understanding, and we wanted to see the community rise and become strong together. This is the principle of friendship, from enemies to friends that help shape the future of the nation together. Sometimes, the best weapon is just a God damn good conversation between men.
docs.google.com/document/d/1LRq4ci0-w_hbrfwqtxo-UFxMHZaB3E22e7ZfsByB75Q/mobilebasic
Also shout out to all rebels that pop up time to time in Helsia, you guys made it fun and often remind us how valuable democracy were. I cannot name you all but you know you did it, so show yourself I guess. Most importantly tho, I am no differences too, except that I succeed.
And thank you to everyone in Helsia for not rebelling against me when I brought down democracy to fix the nation, I know I could’ve done much more thing and much better job, but you guys already did alot of good job that it was enough to kept the nation going while we take care of other important stuffs. Thank you so so much. I would name all of you but I already gave these speech 3 time plus dm when Eldham frozen. Love you all. Best 3 years rooted from this community created by Crimson and Diego gambling addiction. Have i mentioned that Helsia was found because leader hit jackpot in gambling?
One last thing, if you want your nation to run smoothly, get no life gamer that is a loser like me to grind 24/7. Doesn’t even matter what system you are. You would be surprised how much 1 person can achieve without touching grass.
I just now realised that I want to yap more about semi-issue but also benefit of democracy.
COMPETITION yes you heard that right.
Basically, the more people you recruit, the more people that will stay on your side when election cycle come around. And you need to develop your sub community in your nation to attract new members to be on your town rather than joining other candidate town.
This happened to me first hand. Between Nazarath and Vanguard which had HueyN as a mayor. Democracy actually created smaller versions of stoneworks without war and violence but pure efficiency competition to pull the players as resources. Ambitious players cannot really stay together and often make their own thing. But when they have to fight against each other for the same goal of become the top to change nation and develop nation. The nation and its people get benefit from their good work.
Another thing I would like to add is that, everyone in stoneworks are all equal. We joined with 5k and same tools. What make us different are how much time are we willing to put into it. And most importantly, the system of stoneworks itself doesn't support democracy that much compare to authoritarian state, such as nation claim which link to capital, claim that link to a person need permission from owner to actually transfer owner rather than doing it mandatory at the end of the term like in real life. Which is why any nation that can uphold democratic value and system have my deepest respect as you guys must be very honourable to give away highest position because that's what the people wants.
The more time you put into it, and what you actually do is what matter, some people online alot but just kept talking around and yap while another join bare minimum but make alot of money. Just like my mama said, the more you eat, the more you shit. But it's actually what you cook and how much you actually cook that affect your shit.
Sorry for alot of topic that are out of place, very busy lately and just got the time to type these down at 5 am.
Devoidy btw, the IGN
14:04 IRITHEL MENTIONED!!!! RAAAAAAA
Thanks for showing off our city, Velarim! And of course for discussing the United States of Adramis! Fantastic video as always. Maybe I should get back into the game.
Concerning Stoney's Suggestions:
- Some of the most democratic countries in the world-including Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, and New Zealand-have unicameral legislatures. And I mean "democratic" in the robust or "thick" sense of having strong democratic cultures and institutions (see for example the Economist Intelligence Unit democracy index). It might well be that bicameralism is widespread because it's what the U.S. and U.K. had early on, and those countries went on to become superpowers for vastly other reasons, not because they were the most democratic (cf slavery not being abolished until the 1860s in the U.S. and disenfranchisement of blacks beyond the Civil Rights Act of 1965 and into today in some places due to gerrymandering, voter ID laws, etc.).
- The Electoral College is another institution which today is mostly peculiar to the U.S. and a few other countries and not reflective of liberal democracies generally. Many other nations have eliminated electoral colleges and made their head of state popularly elected.
- Political parties and elections contribute to what thinkers like Niklas Luhmann, Jacques Ellul, Guy Debord, Jean Baudrillard, and even Jason Brennan might describe as a "politics of spectacle" in which voting is more like rooting for your favorite sports team or reality TV star than actually giving voice to your opinions on substantial matters. The U.S.'s two-party system is the arguably the worst example of this, with long election seasons in which vast sums of money are spent on advertisements and much time is devoted to campaigning instead of doing the work of government. Two-party systems also have a tendency to give voters a choice between the "lesser of two evils" instead of a candidate they actually want. Also, Stoneworks nations are small enough that mostly electionless systems such as direct democracy, direct epistocracy, liquid democracy, and sortition are potentially viable.
- Rule of law is extremely hard in Stoneworks Minecraft, as Stoney notes. Stoneworks mechanics don't really allow for punishments other than disqualification from office and exile, as fines are extremely hard to enforce and slander/denunciation often isn't an effective mechanism of social control due to a lack of international cooperation and communication. War against a disobedient landowner can be extremely costly.
- Having an aristocratic council, spreading one's ideology, creating a civil religion, and creating a unifying culture/nationality aren't suggestions specific to democracies in Stoneworks. They may be good suggestions, but they aren't inherently tied to democracy. In fact,
- Not one of the examples of nations with a strong national identity you cited was a liberal democracy (Escharia, Bardonia, and Anglunia were all kingdoms/dictatorships for most of their history, and the U.S.S.E. was a self-selecting one-party socialist state). And there might be a reason for this. If we accept John Rawls's widespread idea that liberalism is not a "comprehensive doctrine" with a prescribed vision of the good life for its citizens, it might be inherently harder to build a national culture in a liberal state than a non-liberal one. It's certainly possible to build a democracy without the so-called "principle of state neutrality" (e.g. the U.S.S.E. or Boulderov), but I'm not sure if it would be right to call such a democracy liberal. Granted, I've not yet read Alexandre Lefebvre's Liberalism as a Way of Life, a recent book arguing that liberalism is actually a more comprehensive doctrine than we think. Paradoxically, the largest liberal nations in Stoneworks might not have been democracies: Viodoxa/Sirradra, Yimmu-Audal, and Uldarash were arguably the largest liberal states in Stoneworks, but they weren't all that democratic.
This is Quaerondo right?
I remember in 2021 someone from COG was making a public market in nether, and Im thinking 'oh nice' some time later i come back and a guy is blowing it up with tnt😂
That was me lmao
24:06 I disagree because if you enshrine things as holy then they cannot be changed. Which is good if the system works but is bad if it doesn't.
In the context of democracy it also makes them tend to do undemocratic things thinking they're preserving democracy.
My attempt for the philosophical debate contest. This is made purely from notes taken from the video and memories gained over the years.
I will try and answer the two questions asked:
1. Why did the Confederation of Garxijos's democracy collapse
Unstable leadership, the congress was made up by every single citizen that then elected a president every 30 days. Now 30 days is not alot of time for a player to develop the nation and continue for what they started at the beginning of their election day. It also brings shaky leadership into play, If a not so competent person got elected but got elected purely for their connections and charisma towards the citizens it could harm the overall politics the nation is trying to establish.
Governors had no voting power to elect a president however they had complete control over the region they were assigned/reigned. Now this has decentralized the newly centralized government that had been implemented by an actual law student, so the guy had basic knowledge about real-life systems. And that brings us to another point, that being all the pressure put into one man, the man who started it all. Buoyo turned a dictatorship into a democracy, this quick change meant that the transition entirely depended on buoyos influence towards the people rather than having a strong democratic concept. So when the competent guy that the nation always had relied on fails to get elected, new changes will happen and a new era would come. A new Era could have been a rise of something great or a big fall towards their old ways.
Now that the stable law student had been replace with someone who doesn't understand the concept he was trying to make but only have read the constitution comes to power, people who are against the democratic concept might go against him, which they did. When watching this i remembered a quote from a movie about Dictatorships and war even democracy the quote goes like this: "The ones who know don't care anymore and the ones who care don't know." The people who wanted change knew the constitution but the president and the average citizen didn't understand it or might not even have read it. Which is why the Attackers had the legally upper hand in the fights. Then we come down to wars being fought, and that comes down to who you know and what resources can you pull to gain the military advantage and here a democracy could be helpful since the people are on a united front, but if they are not united through the purpose of freedom it might fall short and lose the war.
2. What techniques can you use to stabilize and ensure the longevity of your nation's democratic system?
Build the nation around the concept of democracy not around a player who understands it. Because once that player is gone it will fall back to the old ways, brute force and secret alliances (doesnt have to be secret, some people just brings alliances with them).
Make the citizens care about being part of a greater system that can benefit them. As stated in the video, make the people more nationalistic towards the democratic concept, make it mandated that people quickly read a summarized version of the 4000 pages constitution thats being constantly worked on.
So build tradition, make people get acquainted to each other and become friends so its less likely they will betray the concept of having the people rule.
Having an overall protector to guard the stability of the nation and making sure that people are not going rogue while the democratic system is being implemented. The Protectors job is to ensure the stability, this person needs to have influence in military and alliances + having a healthy economical stream of money to support the people if needed be, just till everything works perfectly clockwise.
Now that is my take on the video about Democracy and the philosophical debate.
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Fellow Yunrian here who was there for 6 minutes, so true
hey, former incompetent leader of helsia that brought it into cog here.
Very simply - the reason why cog fell, i feel, is because they annexed helsia directly. We were huge, independent and culturally seperated from the rest of COG.
Another thing is that along with this literally every other governor was trying to weaken helsia. Admittedly i wasn't much help but i was also like, 14. i could only do so much tbh.
Nah upmost you are a cool dude. Everyone makes mistakes. But you can be proud of how you led the nation during its darkest hour when everyone else had left.
I mean, without you, Helsia wouldn’t have these history. So your mistake might be the best mistake :) thank you for good time upmost and you too hungry
Damn I need to get Minecraft again on PC and then join this server it's crazy 🤣 lol
I was apart of Oceanum/FSS which was a democracy, we had an interesting voting system with registered multi-layer voting (people could pick favorite candidates), Our democracy would tend to last a few months, descend into an Oligarchy, then re-emerge as an Democracy as competent experienced community players consolidated players and left overtime
I would also like to say Oceanum was a regenerative nation, it collapsed multiple times yet always came back yet never had major cities due to how decentralized the playerbase was. the biggest problem/threat to the democracy was most often Nationalism as Oceanites were the largest group of players that wished to assimilate other groups, or conquer lands that used to be owned by them, yet the leadership which was Azcorian/Kaladinian would sometimes have contradictory views which led to inner conflict
When listening about CoG the part about direct democracy immediatly got my attention. This aspect combined with high state autonomy and ambitious Helsia create an environment for political maneuvering, carefully articulated laws that decept the public and allow populists to quickly grow to prominence.
For me this proves an aspect of democratic systems that may not be groundbreaking but is important to understand: Individuals and groups interested in politics or lawmaking have a higher chance of getting power. It is a simple statement but it shows a fundamental issue with democracies: those who are interested in politics have a much higher chance to improve but also ruin and abuse the system because of their extensive knowledge. In this case, Helsia having a high population and competent politicians allowed them to become an important faction in the CoG government. The fact that ministers were chosen because of their status and loyalty presented even more issues (Helsia was able to use its political prowess to stop the CoG government from acting when the confederation was plagued with instability - Their plans were so good that I can't even be mad - honestly, they deserved their independence).
My another take on this is that if democracies on SW are to survive, they need a strong unifying factor - a foundation that keeps most of the citizens "on the same team". As you have mentioned it can be lore, religion or events organised to bring the community closer together. A foundation that is used too often is... people. A competent founder of the democracy, or a figurehead that makes sure everything is going according to plan is a great addition to the nation and is often capable of drasticly improving it. The issue is that when this person is gone, the next leader isn't as passionate when compared to his predecessor or seen as weak. This is where cracks start to show and people start abusing the system to their advantage. This is why creating a community and taking care of the citizens is so important - no amount of laws can stop someone who is trying to undermine the system as well as an informed, unified community.
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Out of all the government styles and setups that have been on stoneworks, democracies, generally speaking, are one of the most engaging and inclusive forms of government that have existed. For a server like sw this is so much more important than I think people give the system credit for. Sw is a game, on a computer that we all choose to play and that goes for the nations themselves as well. New players especially are not locked into some kind of agreement that that will stay in your nation, they can come and go as they please. Often times people will setup their nation or group as a monarchy or something along those lines and just tell themselves that they will promote people as they see fit when those people do xyz for the nation. But then often people in those nations just retreat to their own claims without putting much time into the overall nation itself. Because why would they, they have nothing incentivizing them to grind for anyone and anything but themselves, recruiting is already hard but finding people who are willing to grind for not themselves but the nation for nothing more than a promise that they might be promoted if they keep at it is not enough for a normal person whose expecting to join a fun server filled with nation building, world building, rp/events etc. And again they can and will just leave to go to a nation where they see a reason to sink their time into. Even if it isnt direct democracy like Helsias republic era it opens the nation up to people who want to get involved in that aspect of stoneworks. Democracy as a system I think is among the best on the server. People give the system a lot of flak for being a government structure that can and often does introduce a lot of headache because democracies attract a lot of players with ambition but no clue how the server works and thats fair. But I feel that most of the times when the system fails its because people within it are looking for ways to break it in order to benefit themselves. Democratic nations are some of the most dynamic, engaging, and flat out interesting on the server, if done properly.
tbh proportional representation is prob one of the most important thing for a democracy that wants to stay stable and politically peaceful. makes transfer of power easier n shiet because it provides a balanced representation to all of the different factions, as opposed to a ''winner takes all'' system.
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21:41 I was a bit surprised when you said this because I realized I did that for one of my worldbuilt nations
To summarize: It was originally a triarchy, Then the triarchy gave way to a democratic council, but they had seats as non-democratic members,
Keep it up Stoney (amazing music taste with Dvorak =)), and let us all hope that democracy won't fall under dictatorial autocratic regimes, although that seems to happen all over the world right now 🕊🏛
i believe democracy isn't supposed to have some sort of unelected council/vanguards to help the nation, as that is undemocratic and unneeded in stable times. if your democracy is done right, there should be a counter-balancing power like a separate president to keep a check on the parliament and other institutions. if you make sure the presidential role has to be separate from the Prime Minister's faction/party, there shouldnt be any issues and you don't need unelected leadership. (P.S Here from Kassylia, an Abex democracy that has been through tough times, and the advice you gave has given us ideas already. long live democracy in stoneworks !)
I like the game of thrones reference with the helsia city nice
It's lowkey astounding to see how much latitude there is in democracies within Minecraft. The case of the Confederation of Garxijos, however, highlights a crucial point: even in a well-structured democracy, internal conflicts or a lack of cohesive identity can lead to collapse. Garxijos's democracy faltered, possibly due to shifting power dynamics or a failure to adapt to the needs of its citizens, which can happen when traditions are held too tightly and new ideas aren't embraced.
Yet, Amarillo's experience has shown that when things get sticky, democracy can adapt and improve over time, especially when there's a strong culture anchoring the community. It’s also evident in places like Centaris, where the sudden departure of a crucial leader can create instability, reminding us that it’s easier in monarchies or more centralized systems where power isn't in constant flux.
The approach Tyahil has taken, experimenting with unique concepts like Andocracy and Liwkenomics, is truly innovative. Minecraft acts as a perfect playground for these experiments, allowing for new democratic frameworks that don't necessarily exist in real life.
To stabilize and ensure the longevity of a democratic system, fostering a strong cultural identity, promoting open dialogue, and allowing for adaptability in leadership can be key. Rituals, symbols, and holidays can create that cohesive atmosphere, but there’s a risk of stagnation if traditions overshadow innovation. A balanced mix of realism and originality might just be the perfect formula for success. After all, the world is a stage, so why not go big?
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I really like your take on this! new ideas to fix or improve an already irl democratic system or even a whole new concept for a democracy is a good idea.
I always thought still haveing 2 chambers, a executive, and a judicial with minor institutions was the way to go but have the lower be the people as layed out democratically in greece and have the upper house be the governors of said states/provinces and allow those speakers be president and vp for my idea of a democracy. However its intersting to see different ideas and layouts of how people formed a democratic government rather that be through parliment, congress, assemblies, etc. I only know from the video but Im interesting in seeing the constitutions of these new ideas. Forming an identity is one thing I think helps tremendously when creating or even sustaining a democracy. rather that be through any events or holiday festivitiies and or other through other games where a big team can join to win something in minecraft. I beleive these minecraft server like Stone Works do the same thing through YT videos and spawn parkour and server wide event that keep people playing and active and form this identity of a community.
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Democracy as an institution in mincreaft is problematic for the simple reason that in real life, one longs for democracy to have economic freedom, rights to speech and property ect. these are present in most stoneworks monarchies anyways, what differentiates stoneworks monarchies and democracies is that democracy give people an easier way to get into politics and high ranks without connections; now though this may sound all jolly but its a double edged sword. people can have no experience and get into positions that basically let them choose the nations fate. lets connect this with Aesilandri, ( ill be referring to this a lot because its the democracy that ive seen fall very closely ), When Nihilis retired a democratic election took place, it worked. Raccoon, got elected as the new leader. but it was clear he was inexperienced and the nation soon fell apart
Democracy also gives people the right to express dissatisfaction, protests turn into coup's and revolutions and soon your nation is split apart ( this happened to mockrea ).
But my biggest point is with nations who unite under a democracy, whilst letting the founding states have autonoumy, self governance and identity.
Two examples of this are Garxijos and Aesilandri. Both of these had states with thier own identity and government and one central government with a leader that did foriegn policy.
But unlike a functional democracy where federal government is more powerful and a seperate entity to state governments, here state governments were a part of the central government. which caused infighting to personal interests. to keep this democracy together they needed a similarity of culture, but in both instances the only thing keeping the government together was the president, the defaco leader Bouyo for Garxijos and Nihilis for Aesilandri. and the second these people left whoever came into power would be selected from one of the many states. giving that state power upon the other one. and secondly states would not like to stay in the union because for them joining the union was being invited by Nihilis under his government which was now completley changed. furthermore the states would face no consequences for leaving the union, and at the end of the day. the individual who rules over his state has way more power in it than the federal government, so the president has no control over any land but his own. so people would leave and the democratic union would collapse.
In conclusion democracy is a utopian state in stoneworks, but in reality stoneworks is ran by few people with connections and power. common people just dont have any real power in politics for they cant stop sucessions or people disobeying them once they do get into power. to run a nation's diplomacy you also need stability. no one wishes to ally with a nation that could have rebellions or dynamic power and foriegn policy changes at any given second. Monarchies or Feudal systems just work better, because whos incharge clearly had the power and connections to be incharge
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Excellent choice of music. I loved Finding Flat Earth by Folding Ideas.
One of the signatures for the USA Constitution, Timesoul of Valdecruz.
That was one of the most effective interesting and relatable endings to a 'dumb' video ive ever seen
I was a Guardian of the Republic of montroug and it definitely was “not” rigged.
What if an authoritarian empire had democratic subdivisions? The emperor or whoever deals with broader stuff and foreign affairs while the people vote for things that affect them locally and directly.
My critique is of the idea that we should offer rewards to the losing group. I see where you’re going with this idea, but I don’t really think it’s gonna help. The game is so fast-paced and yet it’s so hard to find time to play it that any leader of a nation needs to be able to make decisions without their opponents constantly bogging them down. Plus, I feel like this could become a problem when people start debating whose fault something is. Just put one group in power so if they mess up something, they can’t blame it on anyone else. The idea of keeping records of past elections and ideas is great! People often lie later on about what they said and wanted to do. But under no circumstances should they be given a position of power. Giving potentially toxic and angry people power will not get rid of their anger. They will probably still be mad, especially since they now have to listen to their enemy. And now, they have more power which they can use to take out their anger.
To be honest, I really doubt democracies can work in Minecraft considering that less invested people have the same sway as others. (an example of this is when the C.O.G. states used dual citizens to rig votes)
this pretty much leads to people voting against the nations best interests like your supposed to do in a democracy and vote for the funniest most “based” thing and honestly I like it that way because it’s the most fun to watch when it collapses and I get to watch another sw video about it
Absolutely based ending
It's such a strong and strange feeling seeing smth you built in a sw video... (18:00 and 19:55) LONG LIVE ADRAMIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Its kind of sad, that oldest democracy in Syltor didnt get a mention. But hey we Malryans never got much exposition.
I sooo knew where this was going as soon as he talked about democratic imperialism. Democracy thrives by being the goal itself and not the means to an end.
I love how at the end you just stopped talking about minecraft and started going on about real life
I’d like to say that I play on this server
same ngl
No wonder the render took so long, those are some nice animations
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My prediction:
1. No differentiation between federal law and the constitution, and needing only a simple majority to amend the constitution leaves the structure of the government wide open to takeover by aspiring dictators.
2. Governors having near total control over their state with no state legislature or state judiciary to check them is going to give the governors far too much power with which they will likely lead a rebellion.
3. No independent judiciary means that there is nobody to uphold the constitutionality of the nations laws; and the lack of any courts at the federal level implies that the federal legislature (random people) are handling matters of criminal justice, which permits them to determine guilt on the basis of their own opinions, not the nations laws.
4. The ability of voters to change the composition of the entire government in one election allows sudden radical movements to take hold of the government and potentially end the democratic system in a time of great emotion, like a war or famine for example.
Edit: Misread the congress section and had to make revisions.
The thing about democracy is that it can always be broken down from inside out and therefore often becomes a weak and frail system after a prolonged period of time. It also only takes 1 tyrant to gain power for the whole constitution to be overrun, and hence it breaks down.
that is whats happening to the US right now if Trump wins
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First of all, masterful video Stoner. You really do an excellent job in these overviews of bringing these nations to life and make hours of backroom politics, random toxicity, and discord PVP sound like a truly noble sport. I hope someday to be able to make a video half as interesting as yours about my own Abexilas nation!
That said: Democracy in Minecraft gives me a headache.
You point out that one of the biggest points of failure in the fall of the COG's Democracy is the virtual lack of accountability, that shifting the discussion from bad faith actors to legality within the state shattered the collective resistance against the Helsians, and I really don't think it can be overstated that this is one of the most substantial detractors to Minecraft Discord Democracies.
My view is that, for state founders and veteran leaders, imposing a popularly elected and vetted candidate to act as "temporary leader" until the next popularity contest is attractive because it is an extremely easy out for the nation's "real leadership" to escape accountability for appointing a poor successor. However, the systemically transitive nature of these nascent executives means that they are (A.) often unprepared or even fearful to take on the real responsibilities of their position and (B.) more capable of shifting the blame for their inadequate governance onto the existing structures. What ends up happening as I've seen is that the old order clings to power while delegating their responsibilities, and the nation suffers just as much as if they had never stepped down at all.
As an example, in one of my Abexilas nations, our retiring King was either incapable or unwilling to choose a successor from his Council, and instead chose to hold a nationwide "election" purely by popular vote. Naturally, as feudal power was already distributed into the loyalties of the very Council members he overlooked, the only viable candidates electorally were those exact regional leaders. The result was an amplification of palace tensions to an existential political battle across the nation, splitting the two centers of power which formed the backbone of the Kingdom's military strength. When a victor ultimately emerged, the loser appealed to the retiring King anyway and convinced him to split their power into a commonwealth unofficially, nullifying the entire constructive point of the national election and denying the new King any real mandate. The tensions moved back into the palace where they festered unseen until the election's loser abandoned the nation and Abexilas. Ultimately, because the leader was unable to establish their own succession without direction, the citizenry was left with a King fearful to utilize the power granted to him for the most definitive time of their reign, the loss of major political figures, and overall a bitter taste in their mouth for the future of the nation's politics.
I believe that democracy has its place in Abexilas, and that there are some very motivated and ideological individuals who can, by sheer force of their convictions to equality and justice, keep a democracy together and functional. But democracy should not be confused by the citizenry as a replacement for the regimes of those individuals. To those who look to diagnose a democratic state: simply because they have delegated the role of political leadership to popular vote, the caretakers, visionaries, and idealists are not absolved of the responsibility to bear the consequences for their regime's failures.
TO BE CLEAR: I am 100% pro-democracy in real life because people actually **live** in this world and the damage which can be done by autocrats in real life far outweighs the potential inefficiencies of democracy. I would rather have a cautious slow government when it comes to the matter of determining whether me and my family live comfortably or die.
But the big thing is that: I want conflicts and schisms and interesting upheavals to actually happen in the fictional nations I worldbuild and roleplay in. A valorous, hotheaded King is usually a far more interesting character to study and write tales about than a senatorial bureaucrat. I want popular movements to hold leaders accountable, put their faces on posters, and establish revolutions. I'm not seeking the perfect government because if everyone is perfectly content with their little slice of land and power that's boring. I want this game to have winners and losers.
The issue with nations like these fully incorporating established communities means that those communities remain fairly insular rather than integrate into the new nation. The Nationalist Helsian leaders were the same from when they joined the CoG till when they destroyed it. If a new democratic nation is to persist it needs to separate itself from previously established non-democratic structures. In Adramis, FerretWithAHat focused on unifying the separate communities under a new culture and structure that ensured lasting democracy and pride in the nation.
Adramis also was willing to adapt its democracy to account for arising problems, like when they created the role of Speaker to ensure that the assembly kept running efficiently. The CoG wasn’t willing or able to properly reform itself to arising issues like Helsian dominance, which other provinces should have been able to resolve without the need for militias or civil war. Like you say in the video, a vague catch-all provision allowing for changes depending on interpretation could have saved democracy in the CoG before it collapsed.
Going back to Adramis’ Speaker, they made sure that people remained invested in the democracy, which is an issue in real democracy and especially on the server because elections literally don’t matter. In the CoG, it was only radicals like the Helsians and SerfBort_ who cared enough to realise these issues and then go on to abuse them to take almost complete power. Direct Democracy has that issue where everybody has a direct say and therefore everybody has to remain directly involved, whereas other democracies elect specific people to represent much larger groups.
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I absolutely agree on a good number of points you bring up, and i would like to complicate and add to a few of them. The first is the aristocratic council you talk about, i want to complicate this by adding that it should be democratic, let me explain. I would like to call the system im about to explain layered democracy, were going to refer to the head of state as the president. The president presides over ministerial positions that are appointed exclusively by the president, but to be the president you have to have been appointed minister. This is critical because it creates a aristocratic top that LOOKS democratic and allows for larp. It does 2 along with this, prevents the easy election of foreign agents since you have to be selected by the president to be a minister and prevents incompetent people from spreading to your upper government. Layered democracy has other aspects but you can look at it in my essay which is slightly underdeveloped.
Secondly i absolutely agree with developing facets of culture among all groups, i speak about this as well in my writing although it admittedly focuses more on foreign/geopolitical aspects of government. I think one of the killers of democracy is the dramatic shifts present in policy that occur when a shift of power happens. This means that your state lacks the ability to completely pursue one goal which can be helped by having universally accepted culture, like "We have holidays on x day" or "we do this build style". But i would like to build on your argument, i think another important aspect is maintaining geopolitical tenets as well. To do this i would institute a mandatory debriefing from the outgoing government to the incoming; to discuss everything the outgoing government has done and discuss their reasoning. This means that even if the incoming government is dramatically different to the outgoing, they, at the very least have to consider the reasoning behind the former governments actions and can choose to build off it or not. I saw this issue in Oceanum (which i was in for 2 years) where incoming governments had no map of the diplomatic or political landscape and were left completely in the dark by the outgoing government. That would be my solution to this issue.
Thirdly, i would like to discuss something you touched upon but did not go in depth to, political apathy. Similarly to our world political apathy is a prevalent issue, and i think it can be a even greater threat to democracy then internal issues. The way you go about helping this is by 1, hosting events and actually roleplaying. It is a roleplay server people want to participate in roleplay, doing even the bare minimum of hosting 1 event can dramatically help your populace. And the second is what i like to call the lower chamber, this is a part of layered democracy as well but were going to be touching on the aspect in which it helps participation. Make your lowest chamber have a dramatically low barrier of entry, the lower chamber will have virtually no actual power if you follow the principles of layered government and serves as a way to increase activity. We must remember that this is a political server, people join to gain power and be the next unicornboi or redfirerex, in that regard offering a easy and low tier government position where they cannot do any harm will make it to where you have immense participation, it's like writing a book, remember your audience!
And on your other points i think the low barrier of entry could help stop toxicity, if your almost guaranteed a spot in at least the lowest chamber it could help curve toxicity. Also yes spread your democracy throughout the world, democracys do far far better with more people in it ( also gives purpose ). Civic religion yes, create a culture of democracy and patriotism and you will always be democratic.
Anyways thats my yap session finished, heres my essay that i think i need to rewrite eventually if your interested docs.google.com/document/d/1qOO8OUwgu8RVk78HS11huSeUZOR8JYo1y9UdugdlZOs/edit?usp=sharing , enjoy - theunholycrusader_
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@@Ben-p5e Maybe you have a shot! Don't count yourself out, yet the writing was amateurish from me at best!
These are good ideas!
I love a lot of the rhetoric that i instigate of the Gertek And Adramis drama survived. And unfortunately fact that been glazed over was the conflict between General Ich and subterra which lead to a genocide of me and some my friends under Ich’s province before Gertek finally collapsed.
The flaws of Idealism - another Case Study
As in the last Text “The flaws of Idealism - a Case Study” I will again critice idealism. But this time not within the U.K.R.K. but in a Stoney Video. That is not surprising as Stoney has espoused Liberal views before and the philosophical core of Liberalism is always Idealism. In this Text I will analyze Stoneys assessment of the Democracies he covers and show how his Liberal, Idealist outlook clouds his view and impedes his ability to correctly identify the strengths and weaknesses of past and present Democratic Systems.
This may sound harsh but I first would like to start with that the first part of his video, that is dedicated to the case of Garxijos, contains a correct analysis. Stoney identified that the decentralized system of Garxijos led to its downfall. This sets him apart from the Chyerozans I criticized in the last text, who are entirely resistant to learning from previous experiences.
Towards the end of the Video lists multiple “Liberal Democratic Institutions” some are common sense like a written constitution, election oversight and separation of power. But others are obsolete or can even hurt the Nation like a Bicameral Legislature, term limits, and an electoral college.
A Bicameral Legislature increases the power of Regional Leaders and creates disunity that can lead to secession or even collapse a single unitary Legislature directly elected by all citizens creates a sense of national Unity that is needed for a strong state.
Term limits remove competent people from the Government and let less competent leaders in. Bringing in new people into the government causes instability and is not at all meritocratic. If a Leader loses the trust of their people they should be recallable by them at any time.
With the inclusion of an Electoral College in his list Stoney first shows his antidemocratic Tendencies. An Electoral College distorts the will of the people and creates further divisions along regional Lines.
The next institution is not surprising: “political parties” I ask what for? Why divide a very small group of people further? “(not for small groups)” that is true but even with a large player base multiple parties create divisions and unneeded conflict. The best way to create a strong stable and central Government is to either ban parties all together or to create a single party that guides the people. This party needs to follow democratic centralism and needs to be made up of the most advanced and experienced people of the Nation. This makes the party able to develop theories, evaluate them against past experiences and then test them. The party should not be guaranteed seats in the government as it first needs to earn the trust of the citizens. Independent Candidates will be allowed and run along party members.
Altho the inclusion of an impeachment process is correct it does not go far enough. To truly keep the Leaders accountable to the citizens they have to be recallable at any time and reason. This happens by a process of collecting signatures and if a threshold is met, a national referendum in which a majority is needed to remove the Leader from Power. This has to include any position within the Government, not only directly elected positions, but also in appointed positions like ministries.
The next point he makes is that an undemocratic institution is needed to ensure stability. This is the logical conclusion of Stoneys undemocratic tendencies. It shows that he does not understand what democracy even means. it literally translates to “people rule” and not some random arbitrary group of people that have the final say. The example of the USSEs “council of former General Secretaries” that Stoney used as an example did not actually hold any formal power. They were just advisors to the current elected government. Such a system is indeed very useful.
The next suggestion shows that Stoney has taken too much inspiration from the worst of the real world “democraties”. Imperialism threatens the stability of the nation and stands in the way of more sustainable and useful economic development.
In this Text I have shown Stoneys Liberalism and debunked the mistakes I have found in his Video.
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next should be the "drunkest nations in minecraft" thats are always fun to see irl
never thought id see a hamilton reference in a stoneworks video
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Didn’t like the ending but it was a great informative and entertaining video as always.
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i absolutely agree with developing facets of culture among all groups, i speak about this as well in my writing although it admittedly focuses more on foreign/geopolitical aspects of government. I think one of the killers of democracy is the dramatic shifts present in policy that occur when a shift of power happens. This means that your state lacks the ability to completely pursue one goal which can be helped by having universally accepted culture, like "We have holidays on x day" or "we do this build style". But i would like to build on your argument, i think another important aspect is maintaining geopolitical tenets as well. To do this i would institute a mandatory debriefing from the outgoing government to the incoming; to discuss everything the outgoing government has done and discuss their reasoning. This means that even if the incoming government is dramatically different to the outgoing, they, at the very least have to consider the reasoning behind the former governments actions and can choose to build off it or not. I saw this issue in Oceanum (which i was in for 2 years) where incoming governments had no map of the diplomatic or political landscape and were left completely in the dark by the outgoing government. That would be my solution to this issue. Im thexunxholxycrusxader_ with no x's cause youtube is blocking it im p sure. I have like 6 other points so feel free to dm me ( i also wrote a paper on this topic for this debate but i cant pos it )
RAHHH CALAVERIA MENTIONED!!! LETS GOOOOO
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THE HORDE DIED!? I RAIDED A FORMER GERTEK CITY FOR ABANDONING NOMADISM I WANT A BIG KHANATE TO JOIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
port stoners greatness never matched
I recomend starting a meritocracy
Did any nation have true communism? (Moneyless, classless, stateless, personal property collectively owned by every employee, if you live in a house you own the house, etc)
Not any communism like that. Regardless of the feasibility of that in real life, it becomes incredibly inconvenient and burdensome to operate without the convenient property and monetary plugins that we provide on the server. I hope we can see more experimentation like that in the future, tho
Many nations will go to the lowest of lows to gain more land, so stateless system would likely get crushed by greedy invaders. But then again, some of the other principles you mentioned have been attained (to an extent), so maybe someone will discover a way to create a stateless system that still fulfills the purposes of a state (defence, enforcement of laws, etc).
I am learning from this as a person who is striving to create a democracy solely based off the U.S system with roman, greek, and some other influences but more polished and better and more thriving in its union. I am currently trying to find ways to make the democracy last and work. so I really like this video and is a great learning material of how democries has and should work.
democracies as we know now can be various in its government and a lot of issues can cause its downfall. We can take Irl examples and learn from there and tweak them to fit a Minecraft lifestyle that works but also prepares for the worst. Garxijos was a "confederation" and even then states had more supposed rights. I beleive based off this video, we have seen before how similar this is to the US civil war and states autonomy. Its not that it was flawd in its general democracy but no one learns from irl examples and past experiences. Plus, as stated in the video the constituion and the general institution of the government was flawed and never allowed reform nor did it allow constitutional debates and fixes of greives in the begining nor compromises it seems. It wasnt that the people was not held accountable but the government for not keeping the nation unified. it failed to do so and that is the only accountability that should be held. With that saying, A government needs checks and balances as well as a good balance between states/provinces and population like the US congress and its subsequently Electoral College. They also never really formed an identity and gained a good sense of participation in the government that made it seem democratic. As the video stated, there was only one person who was really relied upon in some cases.
The USA in Stoneworks works really well and even in the begining started the great compromises and formed an identy around this unity. I beleive they took great inspireation of The early US and has yet to see issues but could see some issues later on with the states wanting more and more but with that same idea of unity and compromise I beleive it will stay with that sense of identity that it has formed. At somepoint a civil war will start not bc of states autnomy but bc it will become harder to find compromise, and to see a way for everyone to agree upon, but I beleive with what I said about identity and unity that it would and should as long as its not lost still keep people together.
with all that being said, its not only the government, the people, nor the constitution and the indentity that makes these nations a great democracy but also the internal instituitions:
- chitizenship, immigration, the economy, the general wealfare of the people, and so much more that makes living in this supposed minecraft democracy work.
Also, Minecraft can only go so far and people dont want to feel like they are Irl and just want to create something they are proud of and really like. So its still this underlying question of how do you make a democracy, a government, and a constituition work really well in a game that not a lot of people are wanting to be held accountable and just want to relax and chill or have fun through pvp, builds, roleplay, trade, and such? Its not rocket science but it can be easy and hard to find that middle ground like most have done.
to conclude this, I think learning from Irl/ in game history can be benificial to create a well runned democracy as these people start to take these similar ironic examples and actually learn from them to create something better.
I wanted to create this nation that was basically called NU and make this kind of polished greeko-roman cultured neoclassical new America kind of vibe to it. I created it bc there was so much hate going on in this election and previous and the divide in our country. I wanted to created a nation that build on young United States of America ideals and their ambition to create a democracy that works and a nation thats united. I beleive we all try to form that on Stone Works and other nations servers, and only a few get it right, bc its so hard to find that middle ground of minecraft and rule of law in game, government and the people, states and the government, etc. I also beleive that as we develope these democratic nations we find how the issues we come across are the issues faced irl such as video example of the immigration of people comming in to vote for someone to rig the election and then hold them accountable. with enough people who beleive that we can do better, people that have learned from history, stay open minded, willing to compromise, and stay united, can and will succeed in creating something new and prosperous that works.
thank you so much!!!
Bruh, using Trump as the thumbnail with that title is absolutely FOUL 😅😂
Yet a good metaphor :=)
@@S0me0ne353Good metaphor for absolutely drilling your mum
@@S0me0ne353well he’s going to win and we’ll see how much it destroys democracy
Lol
Despite the fact that him "destroying democracy" is a complete lie. But in all seriousness, it was a pretty funny thumbnail 🤣
First, let's think about how a vote would happen in Stoneworks.
There are 2 ways that I can imagine a vote: 1. Everyone can vote, the problem with this is that most citizens are unaware of the leaders' goals (It’s hard to tell ppl about your goals in 10-20 minutes) and they are easily influenced.
2. Certain people in government are allowed to vote; the problem with this is that they will vote for the person who will benefit them the most.
Ofc this isn’t always the case but it's very common in democratic nations.
I think that there are 2 main ways a democracy can collapse: 1. A certain group/region takes control of the higher positions.
This was the case with the COG as well, where Helsia was able to exploit this pretty easily and took their old region back. But why did this happen? Why did Helsia want to be independent? Well, it’s pretty simple, the desire for power. This leads to another weak point in democracy, it's hard to grow your territory and keep the already established regions in check. The more people you need to rely upon, the weaker you are. You can’t expect everyone to cooperate with each other, especially if certain regions/groups have a rough history. This was the case with Soliana and Lutum (Anglunian regions) in Eldham but I won’t go further into that.
So, in conclusion for this point, the COG and democracies need to rely upon way too much trust to be healthy in Stoneworks if not taken care of.
2. Two very strong political parties can’t agree on Important decisions and turn against each other. If you ask me this is pretty obvious why this ruins a democracy, it creates a rebellion and probably splits the kingdom/empire in half.
Yes, there are other factors as well (corruption, coups, etc.) that can ruin a democratic nation but these 2 should cover 80% of cases on SW.
So, what can a person do to fix this, to make people trust each other and ignore their desire for power?
One of the simpler things, in my opinion, is what Anglunia did, “roleplay and create stories together”. This would certainly connect the community way more and make people know each other better. It’s also fun to hang out with people and have some cringe and funny moments together.
Secondly, not everything should be voted on. Yes, I know that it’s a democracy but it's better to make certain positions of power (like the ministry) not rely upon votes but skills. Why am I saying this? First of all, who could run for these positions? If you choose certain people, some will get angry and if everyone can run for them it will take way too much time and consideration to vote for a certain person. And secondly, these positions require skill, not the want of the people.
And third, coordinate the people in the gov, give them chances to work together. This will force them to rely upon each other and cooperate in certain situations, decreasing the chances of some positions getting too much power.
So final conclusion, I think that democracies need to be taken care of especially if the nation has a lot of different regions in it and most importantly people NEED TO WORK TOGETHER.
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The core, unforgiving problem at the Confederacy of Garxijos and MANY, MANY other failed democracies had is that Métagall wasn't president. It's that simple, dude.
VIVE VOSTOK, RISE FROM ASHES!
I love Democracy!
VVR When?
I will save these videos to create my own empire in the future 😊 🦅🦅
23:08 YUHHHHH CALAVERIA
Interesting to see how the problems faced by COG democracy are mostly the same the Amarillian democracy faced as well, except the ones linked more to the federal aspect than to the democratic aspect. Though it ended up turning out way better for Amarillo than for COG in the long run, as it never got bad enough to collapse, but suffered several more or less big crisis throughout its history that changed the system and allowed to experiment with fixing the downsides of the previous ones. It worked well, and by the end of Eldham the democratic institutions worked really well and most of the issues were fixed or limited.
Overall, Amarillo is often overlooked cause as it was for a long time a constitutional monarchy, from the outside it didn't always seem democratic (even though it was arguably even more democratic than when it was a Republic), and because it was at its highest a middle-sized nation. But I genuinely think it's one of the most interesting nations in its region of Eldham, if not of the server as a whole. Its political system and culture and seeing how it evolved through time (almost from the beginning to the end of Eldham) and the various crisis it faced, while always maintaining democracy (only in theory at some points but still) and a similar state organization is truly fascinating.
I fucking love the United States of Adramis
Lets fucking go, adramis is the shit! Fuckin love this country, and we here in Valkyria are gonna keep pumpin fuckloads of money into it. OTC RISE
To be fair helsea did own that land and it was taken from them
my personal ideas on good democracy are as follows:
1. all ability's of a state, land or grouping beneath a democratic country should be passed by persons not by council: things like government spending and diplomacy should be based by council but any action determinizing what it is that council can do should be voted on repeatedly by some schedule (say, once a year) this would make it so that if some power of government became not morally justifiable for the possible things that could be done it could be removed in the next voting cycle, I personally thing that having a constitution that is difficult to change is a bad thing, as times change the laws we need to stay moral in proceedings change you simply need to be wary of WHO changes it.
2. all morally vague or morally unjustifiable government or state actions should have the ability to be questioned and taken to court, where a group of one time "jury" members can take to vote if said action is within the spirit of the people and their morals, all of said jury members should be taken from different parts of the country at random so as not to give on political party an advantage other than the number of people who believe in their ideas.
3.all power should be removable by a majority (or 2/3 or some other fraction) vote of the people, whether state officials getting kicked from office or removing the governments power to go to the bathroom during court everything should be decided by some vote, and any matter should be able to be put up only once a certain number of people back it (say 100,000 people sign a petition).
I personally think its painful but would enable a way better or way worse society to blossom however no matter what the majority of the people will have decided it t be the way it ends up so they cant blame it on the government. (they still will anyway but like they cant make good arguments)
AHHHH YESSSS CAPITALISMMMM ( in relation to the start of the video )
Post the whole constitutional convention and the vote
Checks and balances
I just ignored the vid for liek 2 mins and there is already 500 comments wth
Great vid!
The link to the discord doesn't work for me. I left the discord a few months ago and haven't been on the server in half a year. I want to really get into the server, as I never got very far the last time, but every link I've found says its invalid. Is there any way to fix my issue?
"It may well be true that our generation talks and thinks too much of democracy and too little of the values which it serves. It cannot be said of democracy, as Lord Acton truly said of liberty, that it "is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. It is not for the sake of a good public administration that it is required, but for the security in the pursuit of the highest objects of civil society, and of private life." Democracy is essentially a means, a utilitarian device for safeguarding internal peace and individual freedom. As such it is by no means infallible or certain." Friedrich Hayek, Road to Serfdom
I disagree with one aspect of this video in particular: "developing democracy as a civil religion". In the real world, some of the most orthodox and 'doctrinaire' Republican governments have been just as tyrannical as dictatorships. Once we stop thinking of democracy as an end in itself, we can instead further the aims of human emancipation: that being those of liberty.
At the heart of Karl Marx's philosophy is the simple belief that: "‘All emancipation is a reduction of the human world and relationships to man himself". It is from this perspective as well as his 'natural humanism' that he critiqued the state, value production (Capitalism by extent), and the habit of prioritizing the ends over the means (culminating in the end of wage-slavery and an "association of freed producers").
Once we change our perspective that democracy is but a safeguard, analyzing government makes much more sense. Representatives will enter power (through an independent executive at worst or a legislature at best) before immediately working behind closed doors. Unless representatives are constantly thinking about being held liable to their base or the parties bureaucracy is dominated by a democratic organization, the elected representatives will hardly be concerning himself with the affairs of the population before the realities of nepotistic bureaucracy. By the time the government starts delegating authorities to thousands of bodies, we understand why so many people hate politicians.
Mind you, the far-left in real life has developed the *best* models to try and overcome these issues. Every citizen is part of a Council which talks to their representative for a few hours a week, gets to send them a few demands, and can vote them out (or similar system, generally known as "Council-Communism). This gets the citizen more politically engaged with day-to-day governance and open more doors for citizen participation. The modern day DSA in America has its temporary political program (and all major positions) elected every few years by representatives whom are elected at the Chapter level. Perhaps the most notable are the refusal of any Judicial authority or "proletarian law".
But that does not change the fact that LIBERTY must come first. We must view democracy not as an end in itself, but rather as a safeguard. Does allowing a normal person to debate with a political representative whom he can personally deprive of his position today not count as a "reduction of the human world and relationships to man himself"? Do the aims of expanding democracy and liberty not generally go hand-in-hand? Denying elected representatives autonomy? Getting the average person more opportunities to influence the political landscape?
Only after the mindset shift from democracy to liberty has been made (which I'd argue only the Xeroists have done) that governing now becomes possible. It is not about preserving a body of elected officials, but expanding the power of the citizen at all cost. To participate in anyway he may wish. No elected government has the power to do *anything* they'd like. Deriving power from a voter does not give the government unchecked authority. The aim of human emancipation, however the Community may choose to interpret that phrase, must remain the ultimate aim. It must be the ultimate aim for the **actualization** of a democracy just as much as it is for the **preservation** of democracy.
I was apart of the main committee in the SPG trying to draft a new constitution and reestablish COG, it was such a mess the entire time. I was pretty new, but it was so obvious this had been brewing for some time and when the civil war broke out we believed that as long as we united and brought in some mercs we could overthrow the helsians and reestablish the democracy. Then, Buoyo and Serfbort, acting as representatives when they weren't, vassalized the main SPG states under Uraka and collapsed the whole thing. They did not have any backing at all for this, and weren't even acting leaders of SPG at the time. What a mess. At that point the resistance fizzled out and a portion of us moved over to Rathnir to establish a city state.
"Reestablish the democracy" Helsia was the only democratic state in the COG, lil bro. - Maleklut
I was here, and there as well. Well ive been everywhere.
holy shit I made that drawing at 20:32