if you run both at the same time does it cause the ATO to stay stable and not turn on? I considered putting ATO on a timer while one versa drain then after the other filled but if you can do both at the same time and not mess with the ATO that would be great.
Always was under the mindset you’re better off calibrating as close to your usage case as possible. So if your AWC is set to a specific ml/min I would re calibrate to that range :) ... 13.2l/day continuous for me!
I 100% agree and likely will.. I just didnt want to make you guys sit there for an ages with me haha... Ill prob test the calibration with a 1500ml beaker i have and if its on the money ill be happy :)
That’s awesome Dev, I am just finishing up my AWC but three times a day where it will pull and fill back in 3786ml in 30 minutes each way and while that happens it will turn the outlet for skimmer ATK and heater off. Will try that option see how it works. Good content as always 👍👏👏🙏
Ok just found your video and have a quick question. At what level do you set you the exit tube in the sump? Don't want to create a siphon of exit water.
Always the best videos! Question; Do you think its best to remove the waste water first then schedule the fresh salt water to dose when waste is completed or just run it simultaneously ?
you will get marginally better exchange.. but its only a few %. I added/removed at the same time so there is no affect on the ATO or other parts of the system :)
Thanks for the great video I just purchased a single versa pump and I set it for acro power in manual of course and Everytime I try to set time it doesn't dos at all. When I go to verify setting it's all checked off. I don't know what's going on. I have 5 ml a day set it shows the right color code and stuff. Thank you for any help
Thanks for the video. I have a question for you. Do you find that the versa pump that pulls from the second floor has a harder time pumping over time. With the tubing wearing out faster than the versa that’s pulling from the sump?
They look tempting that for sure since I already run a pair of EcoTech Marine MP40qwd's in my SCA 150.. I was going to go with the Neptune DOS but it's a bit loud vs these new Ecotech Versa's!! Have you put them on a schedule yet?
can i dose 1ml over 24h? I would like to dose tanic acid. But dosing 20ml weekly is overkill. Dosing every day still 2ml at once is too much. I would like to do uniformly
How many ml in that timeframe? Also and I’ll try and explain this the best I can. I have to go up 10 feet and then over 15 feet. Do you think that would be an issue for it? I have the dos running right now. But I want to get a versa for my CARX reactor and then the awc.
I had a question regarding your ro/di. Do you have an auto shut off valve for when filling your container with rodi? Next question. Does your rodi system have an auto flush kit? Just was curious. Setting up containers to fill, but curious how to get around the tds creep when water is not filling for a few days. Flushing the system for 5 mins would be ideal between auto filling containers. Just curious how your system works and if it auto flushes for you and if you had some kind of pressure switch to activate flush and no flush. Not sure if I worded that right.
Drama D yes it had an auto shut off. This is required for float cakes to work properly Currently I do not have an auto flush but do plan on building one in the near future
@@ReefDudes thanks for the reply. I have been watching your mixing station progress and was curious. I am planning a mixing station as well and thought about tds creep and wondered how to combat it. Figured you were the perfect guy to ask. Thanks again for the quick reply
I was wondering after a month how are you liking the versa awc and compared to your previously ran Dos for AWC? I am running the dos now at ~2gal a day "continuously" and the pumps (in my basement) are loud kicking on every 15 minutes or so. I am running a versa for my Ato (50 mL/min) and kalk reactor (2mL/min) and have been very impressed by these pumps thus far both in terms of controllability and silent true continuous mode. I am debating on upgrading my AWC to versa and figured with you have using both would be interesting to hear your opinion.
Versa hands down because of noise level alone.. so i have tried 3 diff ways.. a week or two of push button (scene) then i did a week or two of Scheduled (8-10pm) and now i have it on continuous 24/7.. so i keep mixing it up exploring all the different methods. If you already have the DOS and its working and its in your basement so noise isnt an issue then just keep that.. but if it ever bits the dust then the versa is an excellent option!
ReefDudes Glad to hear you still like them; my Dos is in the basement but one can hear it throughout the first floor and even on the second floor; it works greats just slightly louder than I preferred. I think I might grab a 4 pack of versa now, thanks !
Hey I really want to set up an AWC system and I am considering two options. 1. I have an APEX so I'm considering the DOS or 2. Considering the Ecotech Versa pumps on Mobius. I know you have experience with both. Which do you prefer and why? Both seem to be about the same price for two pumps ($300).
Hello. Thank you for the video and your continued effort to show us techniques in reefing. I would like to ask your opinions about using a Cole-Palmer with double heads-one for drawing out tank water and the other for drawing in frag salt water-for automatic water change controlled by an apex? I assume when we do water change it is a discrete amount daily instead of a slow continuous small amount. I say this because in think that the latter would be less efficient due to dilution. What do you think?
As long as the heads are calibrated to the exact same then it’s a great solution. It’s slowly less effective to drain and refill at the same time but you still get 9x% of the benefit with less impact to the system so I’m a big fan of that approach.
@@ReefDudes thank you so much! Concise answer packed with information. You just answered everything I was wondering about. The efficiency and the minimal distruption
so in your video you're doing 4000ml or 4l water change. if we bump the numbers to say 20g or 30g water change would it just be adjusting the number and ensuring that there's enough mixed water n the mixed container? or even better yet, set it for the size of the mixed container?
@@ReefDudes thx for this video. I'm working on my 2022 dream build. Any cons or things I should watch out for when designing my auto wc with the versa?
@@RWAquariumPages I would get some spare tubing for where the rollers go to swap it every 4-6 months as maintenance for an AWC or carx, but otherwise your good to go!
Hi Devon, I have been told that the tubing inside the VERSA (the rubber tubing that the pumping happens with) needs to be replaced about every four months as it wears out very quickly. Can you tell me what your experience with this is?
Sounds about right if being used for calcium reactor (aka 24/7). That’s roughly the same schedule I did with my old Kamoer as well. Every 4-5 months For the dosing ones they will be fine much much longer
It really depends how much you do but for instance my CARx one does 53l/day my AWC does 10l/day. So the calcium reactor is putting 5x the wear on the tube vs the awc
I’m using the Versa to dose Alk and Ca, does your Mobius app show when the Versa is actually running? I’m my manual mode I have to look at the Versa themselves or the tube to verify it’s dosing, Mobius shows nothing.
@@ReefDudes what about the issue with water temperature. I know your tanks are in the house but what if someone has their water tanks in the garage and it gets hot can one still set up an AWC without hurting the corals and fish?
What's going on with these pumps. I have been trying to buy these for months but they always show out of stock everywhere online. At first I thought there was just too much demand, but I recently read the reviews on BRS and there were quite a few very negative reviews related to quality issues which leads me to believe maybe they pulled them from the shelves to make improvements to the product. I want to use these to set up my AWC system instead of the APEX DOS because I hear the DOS is very loud (and these take up less space) but I can't wait for ever and may have to just go with the DOS. Has anyone heard anything??
There was a few issues with leaks for some in the first batch. I know the upgraded the connectors to have double o rings. Also when high speed sometimes the dosing tube Rode forward. This has also been fixed with a retainer ring to prevent it. Out of stock likely less production due to pandemic as they are made in house not outsourced like most products. I wouldn’t worry about ecotech they are a solid brand and stand behind their products
So with setting up water changes like this...does this really mean i dont ever have to do a water change again? Doing it with buckets everyweek and heating the water and cleaning pumps and hoses...awwhhh....its a lot!
I was rather underwhelmed with the mobius app for the dosers, no tasks menu, I would expect a drop down menu with auto water change as an option. Also you can't copy the settings from one pump to another
How is this going a year on? I'm thinking of doing an AWC but can't decide between versa, Neptune or kamoer!
if you run both at the same time does it cause the ATO to stay stable and not turn on? I considered putting ATO on a timer while one versa drain then after the other filled but if you can do both at the same time and not mess with the ATO that would be great.
Always was under the mindset you’re better off calibrating as close to your usage case as possible. So if your AWC is set to a specific ml/min I would re calibrate to that range :) ... 13.2l/day continuous for me!
I 100% agree and likely will.. I just didnt want to make you guys sit there for an ages with me haha... Ill prob test the calibration with a 1500ml beaker i have and if its on the money ill be happy :)
Thanks for the video I had setup one of the ways but not the others
A few options out there! likely even more i haven't thought about yet :P
That’s awesome Dev, I am just finishing up my AWC but three times a day where it will pull and fill back in 3786ml in 30 minutes each way and while that happens it will turn the outlet for skimmer ATK and heater off. Will try that option see how it works. Good content as always 👍👏👏🙏
Sounds like you have an awesome setup going too! long term i think ill just tell it to change 4000-5000ml /day :)
@@ReefDudesBecause the Versa can also run in reverse, couldn’t you accomplish AWC with only one pump ?
So Sweet! Let us know if you have salinity issues. I am curious if that AWC is off by just a smidge if one will over or under compensate.
Reef Automation as long they are calibrated evenly it should stay balanced
Ok just found your video and have a quick question. At what level do you set you the exit tube in the sump? Don't want to create a siphon of exit water.
Just above the water line
Always the best videos! Question; Do you think its best to remove the waste water first then schedule the fresh salt water to dose when waste is completed or just run it simultaneously ?
you will get marginally better exchange.. but its only a few %. I added/removed at the same time so there is no affect on the ATO or other parts of the system :)
Thanks for the great video I just purchased a single versa pump and I set it for acro power in manual of course and Everytime I try to set time it doesn't dos at all. When I go to verify setting it's all checked off. I don't know what's going on. I have 5 ml a day set it shows the right color code and stuff. Thank you for any help
Curious how do you like your auto water change with the versa pumps is it going as planned or did you experience any difficulties???
As long as you maintain the hoses and change them every few months (depending on volume) your golden
Thanks for the video. I have a question for you. Do you find that the versa pump that pulls from the second floor has a harder time pumping over time. With the tubing wearing out faster than the versa that’s pulling from the sump?
They look tempting that for sure since I already run a pair of EcoTech Marine MP40qwd's in my SCA 150.. I was going to go with the Neptune DOS but it's a bit loud vs these new Ecotech Versa's!! Have you put them on a schedule yet?
Yep. They all run on schedules
can i dose 1ml over 24h? I would like to dose tanic acid. But dosing 20ml weekly is overkill. Dosing every day still 2ml at once is too much. I would like to do uniformly
Did you decide how often and how much you do your water change?
Just wondering How it working now 🤔
Still going strong. Love these pumps. Just wish I had more!
Great Video as always... keep up the good work 👍🏻
Wanted to see if you had a update on the noice of the awc?
I set it to do 1.5g/day over 2 hours and its almost silent at that speed
How many ml in that timeframe? Also and I’ll try and explain this the best I can. I have to go up 10 feet and then over 15 feet. Do you think that would be an issue for it? I have the dos running right now. But I want to get a versa for my CARX reactor and then the awc.
@@clauwers14 I have mine going up about 12' so i'm sure your fine :) I have one heads on my calcium reactor and 2 for AWC 1.5gallons = 5678 ml :)
@reefdudes thanks for the quick responses. I’ll have to try and get my hands on one! Keep up the great work and videos.
How’s the noise of the pumps considering the speed of the water change?
I tell them to do 5000ml per day over 2h and don’t notice them running so I would say good
@@ReefDudes thanl you, im planning to do mine 4000l per day to run for 24 hours, did the computation. the pump will run no more than 3-4ml a minute
I had a question regarding your ro/di.
Do you have an auto shut off valve for when filling your container with rodi?
Next question. Does your rodi system have an auto flush kit? Just was curious. Setting up containers to fill, but curious how to get around the tds creep when water is not filling for a few days. Flushing the system for 5 mins would be ideal between auto filling containers. Just curious how your system works and if it auto flushes for you and if you had some kind of pressure switch to activate flush and no flush.
Not sure if I worded that right.
Drama D yes it had an auto shut off. This is required for float cakes to work properly Currently I do not have an auto flush but do plan on building one in the near future
@@ReefDudes thanks for the reply. I have been watching your mixing station progress and was curious. I am planning a mixing station as well and thought about tds creep and wondered how to combat it. Figured you were the perfect guy to ask. Thanks again for the quick reply
What sort of distance would this work over? My WC station is over 40ft away from my tank
Should be fine to push it. I have one for my new salt water bin on the floor below pushing up to the tank
good job man, finaly i find how to calibrate it. 👍👍👍👍👍
Man I need to do an auto water change for my saltwater
I would agree the easy thing that I am doing to just pull out algae and basic waste.
I was wondering after a month how are you liking the versa awc and compared to your previously ran Dos for AWC? I am running the dos now at ~2gal a day "continuously" and the pumps (in my basement) are loud kicking on every 15 minutes or so. I am running a versa for my Ato (50 mL/min) and kalk reactor (2mL/min) and have been very impressed by these pumps thus far both in terms of controllability and silent true continuous mode. I am debating on upgrading my AWC to versa and figured with you have using both would be interesting to hear your opinion.
Versa hands down because of noise level alone.. so i have tried 3 diff ways.. a week or two of push button (scene) then i did a week or two of Scheduled (8-10pm) and now i have it on continuous 24/7.. so i keep mixing it up exploring all the different methods. If you already have the DOS and its working and its in your basement so noise isnt an issue then just keep that.. but if it ever bits the dust then the versa is an excellent option!
ReefDudes Glad to hear you still like them; my Dos is in the basement but one can hear it throughout the first floor and even on the second floor; it works greats just slightly louder than I preferred. I think I might grab a 4 pack of versa now, thanks !
Do you still have this setup?
Hey I really want to set up an AWC system and I am considering two options. 1. I have an APEX so I'm considering the DOS or 2. Considering the Ecotech Versa pumps on Mobius. I know you have experience with both. Which do you prefer and why? Both seem to be about the same price for two pumps ($300).
If it’s in your garage or somewhere the Dos is a solid option. If it’s going to sit under your tank versa as it’s much quieter. Either will do the job
Hi. I noticed your only using two xr15s over your tank now. Do you find it is enough. What power setting are you using them at
I'm adding 2 more soon. Just working with what i have for now! :)
@@ReefDudes the display board your using to mount the dosing pumps. Is it a deluxe model or just the cheaper option
TheJohnny220 it’s the modular cabinet version from CoralVue
Hello. Thank you for the video and your continued effort to show us techniques in reefing.
I would like to ask your opinions about using a Cole-Palmer with double heads-one for drawing out tank water and the other for drawing in frag salt water-for automatic water change controlled by an apex? I assume when we do water change it is a discrete amount daily instead of a slow continuous small amount. I say this because in think that the latter would be less efficient due to dilution. What do you think?
As long as the heads are calibrated to the exact same then it’s a great solution. It’s slowly less effective to drain and refill at the same time but you still get 9x% of the benefit with less impact to the system so I’m a big fan of that approach.
@@ReefDudes thank you so much! Concise answer packed with information. You just answered everything I was wondering about. The efficiency and the minimal distruption
so in your video you're doing 4000ml or 4l water change. if we bump the numbers to say 20g or 30g water change would it just be adjusting the number and ensuring that there's enough mixed water n the mixed container? or even better yet, set it for the size of the mixed container?
Yep! Currently doing 10000 ml aka 2.5g/day
@@ReefDudes thx for this video. I'm working on my 2022 dream build. Any cons or things I should watch out for when designing my auto wc with the versa?
@@RWAquariumPages I would get some spare tubing for where the rollers go to swap it every 4-6 months as maintenance for an AWC or carx, but otherwise your good to go!
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Hi Devon, I have been told that the tubing inside the VERSA (the rubber tubing that the pumping happens with) needs to be replaced about every four months as it wears out very quickly. Can you tell me what your experience with this is?
Sounds about right if being used for calcium reactor (aka 24/7). That’s roughly the same schedule I did with my old Kamoer as well. Every 4-5 months For the dosing ones they will be fine much much longer
@@ReefDudes so for auto water changes it would last longer?
It really depends how much you do but for instance my CARx one does 53l/day my AWC does 10l/day. So the calcium reactor is putting 5x the wear on the tube vs the awc
I’m using the Versa to dose Alk and Ca, does your Mobius app show when the Versa is actually running? I’m my manual mode I have to look at the Versa themselves or the tube to verify it’s dosing, Mobius shows nothing.
I dont think it does.. but i have always had my cabinet open watching it when playing with it
So you have exactly the same amount going in as going out. Has there been any issues with your auto top off?
Jules H nope. As long as it’s equal the water level doesn’t change
I probably should get auto water changes.
I'm so excited to finally have it! i have wanted to get one going for years!
How often one must calibrate?
I havent had it long enough to say but ill prob give it a spot check every few months to double check
@@ReefDudes what about the issue with water temperature. I know your tanks are in the house but what if someone has their water tanks in the garage and it gets hot can one still set up an AWC without hurting the corals and fish?
I would calibrate like a salinity probe periodically.
bbbvvhk if you did a large volume at once. But a slow continuous one would have little impact on the tank temp
What's going on with these pumps. I have been trying to buy these for months but they always show out of stock everywhere online. At first I thought there was just too much demand, but I recently read the reviews on BRS and there were quite a few very negative reviews related to quality issues which leads me to believe maybe they pulled them from the shelves to make improvements to the product. I want to use these to set up my AWC system instead of the APEX DOS because I hear the DOS is very loud (and these take up less space) but I can't wait for ever and may have to just go with the DOS. Has anyone heard anything??
There was a few issues with leaks for some in the first batch. I know the upgraded the connectors to have double o rings. Also when high speed sometimes the dosing tube Rode forward. This has also been fixed with a retainer ring to prevent it. Out of stock likely less production due to pandemic as they are made in house not outsourced like most products. I wouldn’t worry about ecotech they are a solid brand and stand behind their products
So with setting up water changes like this...does this really mean i dont ever have to do a water change again? Doing it with buckets everyweek and heating the water and cleaning pumps and hoses...awwhhh....its a lot!
Nano’s With A Backbone I’ll prob vacuum the sand once in a while (every few months) but otherswise automated
I was rather underwhelmed with the mobius app for the dosers, no tasks menu, I would expect a drop down menu with auto water change as an option. Also you can't copy the settings from one pump to another
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I need one. Will ask the Easter Bunny
Beats chocolate eggs! :P
@Carlos Davila Smoker sounds good too! :P