...and the obvious thing eveyone is forgetting in this case is christianity. More than a millenium of christian tradition cannot just be replaced. It lays at the foundation of culture, moral values, state organization, hierarchy etc.
@@ReaverSenpai Political malfeasance creating conditions to perpetuate the state of Parable of Nightmares? "Since it was terror and disturbance and instability and doubt and division, many illusions were at work among them, and vain ignorance, like they were deep in sleep and found themselves in nightmares. Either they’re running somewhere, or unable to run away from someone; or they’re fighting, or being beaten; or they’ve fallen from heights, or fly through the air without wings. Sometimes, too, it’s like someone is killing them, even though no one’s chasing them; or they themselves are killing those around them, covered in their blood."
We're approaching the crescendo. I've had enough of this apathetic technological dystopia. Hopefully I can make it to see what's going to emerge on the other side.
Unless you're going to live for at least a few centuries I wouldn't hold out much hope. I get the feeling most of us will die of old age before anything really interesting happens.
That’s how it always feels. Every generation has thought that it was the end. We’ve been through much worse but managed to get through it. Will humans evolve? Maybe. If we don’t destroy the planet. Don’t underestimate the human will and his good side. Life is very short. Do your best. That’s it. The end is not near. Greed and hate is what’s destroying our society.
We use drugs/bad habits as a coping mechanism for the suppression of primal instincts. Like Dr. Grant said "He doesn't want to be fed he wants to hunt." There is a feeling of having a void within us, of something that is missing. This is the connection with spirituality and the connection with the shadow. Shadow Work, for me, is as simple as offering my shadow a place at the table. I acknowledge it and recognize it and my darker traits and fears as a part of myself. This usually seems to do the trick. Other solutions for shadow work are screaming, throwing a wet towel on the floor, or punching a punching bag. Primal instincts have been surpressed in our society. It is a sacrifice of having a society like ours. But it cannot continue indefinitely without mental health consequences for the collective psyche.
Drugs, sex, video games, technology allow us a break from the mass psychosis the world has plummeted into. The real problem is we cant love each other openly and are actively encouraged not to - which is our instinct.
Every high culture is endangered of cultivating head births, even neurosis. You create institutions and habits that SEEM logical or "good", while theyre in fact removed from authenticity, but kept alive by the strength of the established system.
Yup. It is economically viable to keep the status quo maintained at the cost of mental health and true solutions to human-level problems. Drugs that cure PTSD when coupled with a CBT (I think it's CBT), like MDMA, are schedule I, while anti-depressants, that can keep you alive and can be very useful, but do not cure anything, are handed out like candy.
Didn't he say Nietzche was basically animated by an archetype rather than having the mind of a typical man? Like that he got so caught up with his iconoclastic, almost contrarian ways, he began to embody his radical philosophy and stopped having normal social interactions and whatnot. I thought I remember Jung saying that Nietzche went "mad" due to the level of genius he was containing and trying to communicate in his works.
Jung was full of sh!t... his word salads and distortions confused most people. Nietzsche was unique and way more depth of thought, in much FEWER words than Jung. Nietzsche is worth the time, Jung makes you waste years of your time.
The war in “ourselves” is manufactured in some extent by the ideologies impressed upon us at a young age. Christianity makes a person feel bad about themselves. “Thou Shalt Not” But I think if you flip and we’re to teach that following the Ten Commandment will lead to feeling good about yourself it doesn’t create the same kind of inner turmoil in a person as they go through life learning from their mistakes I think when children are taught to feel shame about their sexual urges is where the first inner conflict begins, which is why puberty is when innocence begins to diminish. Then as a person gets closer to adulthood societal expectations put one at war with one self
You don't know anything about Christianity, which is the only antidote for a decadent world and the only avenue for human dignity, especially for women, who are treated like prostitutes in this post Christian world.
And now our post-Christian society shames us from a young age for being white and demonizes thinking for oneself to an unprecedented extent. Even during the Christian Wars of Religion, Europeans still weren't expected to be THIS conformist. You have to agree with every single woke dogma, otherwise you will be cancelled, even when you're a fellow "Progressive" like JK Rowling. It used to be that you just had to not blaspheme or publically insult the royal family of your kingdom, but now people can be arrested for "hate speech" for stating fairly benign and obvious facts.
Yah I grew up relegious and after I "left" I'm still vaguely relegious I realized they bible is not so much a law but a heavily sujested list of stories and rules that can prevent one from having internal hell as they morals and standards decay. I brought this up to people in the church and was told I was big headed for thinking ik better than the bible lol never said that if anything I complimented it.
Life the soul is quite simple , it's the environmental, social dynamics and eduction that can kill ones life force and soul , which enivitably derives to " Degradation "
I believe the opposite. I believe that we are set up to do exactly what we're supposed to do. We are f ed in regards to a society that resembles a consumer society like the one we live in now. You're here because you hate the consumer model so you should want to see it go.
No it was the “Tree of Life”, the “Tree of Knowledge” leads to ignorance knowing everything about nothing rather than wisdom knowing nothing about everything.
I see this as a reason for celebration. Celebration meaning that there's nothing holding us back anymore, there's nothing worth fighting for, struggling for achieving. In other words, we're free. But free for what? Free to wander I'd say. I see nomadism as the only authentic and active answer to decadence. Nomadism. To set feet on the road and never stop unless there's something worth stopping for. And I'll close my thesis with Achilles' choice: 'Better a brief life, full of action and shine, than a long, but empty life.'
I have put the same before , as I feel that travelling is the only noble thing a human is capable of & which a more advanced being in a flying saucer could admire
When did Nietchze visit Asia or live among traditional people of whom there were many while he was alive? Did he ever live in a manor with servants? I would see the life he had experience with as Bohemian and kind of shitty.
@@johnmcmahon5225 What? Nietzsche had a variety of health conditions which forced him to travel to find a suitable climate so he traveled far more than the average person back then. Not only that he was a polygot, which is nice if you want to experience the world and cultures. Nietzsche received a pension for his brief position as chair of philosophy, which afforded him the greatest luxury. Free time and being able to do what you want but sure he didn’t have a mansion. He also had correspondence with some of the most respected intellectuals of his age. If traveling, reading and writing about what you care about and conversing with interesting people on a perpetual sick leave isn’t enough then. If that’s not enough to make a fulfilling live, I don’t know what is, guess all of us have shitty lives. Actually never-mind if Nietzsche could have had a blunt, 100M in the bank, a Bugatti, some bitches and play some HALO on the Xbox he actually would have had a good life. Don’t forget most people were literally peasants back then if you want to compare.
Greed existed as the society rose because self interest is the essential element of human nature. Who in the past wasn't greedy? Native Americans hunted the horse to extinction, and then later the beaver to sell to the white man. Everyone wants air conditioning and a motor vehicle.
This is incorrect. We have proven that we can put in place checks and balances that will allow for methods to identify and remove those who do not have the best interest of their constituents in mind. The issue is that when the constituency doesn’t care or pay attention to what’s happening, then we have no triggers to initiate those processes. People care more about the Kardashians than what’s happening in government.
"Imagine a world where vital energies are relentlessly drained, where the instincts essential for human guidance and psychic equilibrium are systemically disrupted." Tell me that modern interactive technologies like phones, social media, video games, internet porn don't have this exact effect
Superb. After reading nearly all of Nietzsche in 1876-79 I embarked on a journey of ten years covering 34 states, living in 5, and 8 countries, to try to fully grasp what he meant by "the advent of nihilism" and the more time went on the more fully did I come to appreciate the gravity and prescience of what he meant! “What I relate is the history of the next two centuries. I describe what is coming, what can no longer come differently: the advent of nihilism! Nihilism stands at the door: whence comes this uncanniest of all guests? 1. Point of departure: it is an error to consider 'social distress' or 'physiological degeneration' or, worse, corruption, as the cause of nihilism. Ours is the most decent and compassionate age. Distress, whether of the soul, body, or intellect, cannot of itself give birth to nihilism (i.e., the radical repudiation of value, meaning, and desirability). Such distress always permits a variety of interpretations. Rather: it is in one particular interpretation, the Christian-moral one, that nihilism is rooted. 2. The end of Christianity-at the hands of its own morality (which cannot be replaced), which turns against the Christian God (the sense of truthfulness, developed highly by Christianity, is nauseated by the falseness and mendaciousness of all Christian interpretations of the world and of history; rebound from 'God is truth' to the fanatical faith 'All is false'; a Buddhism of inaction). 3. Skepticism regarding morality is what is decisive. The end of the moral interpretation of the world, which no longer has any sanction after it has tried to escape into some beyond, leads to nihilism. 'Everything lacks meaning' (the untenability of one interpretation of the world, upon which a tremendous amount of energy has been lavished, awakens the suspicion that all interpretations of the world are false). Buddhistic tendency, a kind of yearning for Nothing. (Indian Buddhism is not the culmination of a thoroughly moralistic development; its nihilism is therefore full of morality that is not overcome: existence as punishment, existence construed as error, error thus as a punishment- is a moral valuation.) 4. Philosophical attempts to overcome the 'moral God' (Hegel, pantheism). Overcoming popular ideals: the sage; the saint; the poet. The antagonism of 'true' and 'beautiful' and 'good'." ~ Friedrich Nietzsche (1888)
Nietzsche's comments on nihilism are highly prescient. I come from a highly religious background and I have found what he has to say about Christianity and nihilism is spot on.
@@TheMachiavellians Me too, although his elucidation of christian psychology and the origin of morality in the need to ounish, in the Genealogy of Morals, I think is a bit over the top.
@@James-ll3jb That part of his philosophy applies to monasticism more than some other forms. Christianity is a very broad term for a variety of practices. Nietzsche's critique of Christianity tries to cover most of them. Many people criticize him for contradicting himself but in reality it is the subject that is a contradiction. I just read a biography of Martin Luther and Nietzsche's comments in the Genealogy seem to apply very well to figures like Luther. The ascetics punished themselves very severely for their impulses. I think there is something deeply pathological about that.
There's a portion of us born without empathy. They view life like a game and seek power positions. Politics and police forces are full of them. However this condition isn't catchy.
By my experience those are typically sadists and/or narcissists. Sadly, psychology is SO politicized that sadistic personality disorder has been removed in dsm-4. This makes us blind for these obviously disturbed characters. I would argue theyre the basis of the modern capitslist economy. Look up the diagnostic criteria. Youll have a field day looking at socalled "leaders", politicians and police men.
Psychopaths and narcissists (and to a lesser extent, sociopaths). They are all sub-human, but because of their simplicity they dominate the rest of us. This prevents humans from evolving any further socially.
@@ryad1281 if you watch the video, it’s referring to how people in a decadent society are usually born of mixed cultures with competing and opposing values. Because of this opposition, their identity becomes a “war” of cultural values according to Nietzche’s ideas
Sounds to me like Nietzsche was a Freudian. And anyone who says that his conscientiousness is his weakest and most fallible organ mustn't have his head screwed on straight. We can see this was the case with Nietzsche just by looking at how he lived and died. And I'm not looking to emulate that life.
N. Schop,'s metaphysics are a philosophical result of Kant's turn to transcendental ontology, hence thoroughly " formalistuc" metaphysics of both, using generalist vague terms like "force" " will" as a replacement fir actual philosophical cosmology.
The "transcendental ontology" you are referring to is a development in metaphysics. Truth and being are bound together so you can't speak of the former without commenting on the latter. Hence Schopenhauer's cosmic will which Nietzsche borrows.
Nietzsche's work was the precursor to postmodern philosophy, which could be argued to be responsible for the decline of humanity. He did indeed describe himself as a "decadent."
On being now in my 70's of lifelong learning, experience, observation, creativity, understanding, re-examination 24/7 365. There is no higher power of understanding or knowing, than the collective conscious cognoscentient being; humanity itself.
It is amazing which keywords Nietzsche used. I believe if he had knowledge from today with Quantum Superposition and Game Theory everything would not sound that dark as it is one possiblity out of many.
Nietzsche gives us all something to think about, as do all great philosophers. He tries to teach us HOW to think, not WHAT to think. The finger pointing to the moon is not the moon
No he wasn’t he was simply ignorant of societal norms and could therefore see clearly. We all have this ability, we simply have to let go of “comfort”.
@@imuppot2289 Seems to me he was anything but "ignorant of societal norms". I believe many historical thinkers - particularly in western 19th c. thought, with the advent/flourishing of modern of biological science, anthropology, psychology etc., instigating new perspectives - concerned themselves with the relationship/problem/conflict of the ("natural") individual and society. Freud is a clear example.
Nietzsche was a fine one talk about "decadence", being an influence for Nazis Germany as he was, and an influence for aristocrats and fascists, as he continues to be. Fascists can see decadence all around them, except for their own.
Nietzsche never excluded himself when discussing decadence. Every modern human being is decadent, some are just more decadent than others. As for the Nazis lets not forget that antisemitism was the official position of the Catholic church for over a thousand years and is central to Christianity. Even the Protestant Reformation was highly antisemitic. The Nazis needed no help from Nietzsche and distorted his works to justify their desire for revenge like the Christians did with Jewish texts before them.
@@TheMachiavellians Actually, you are wrong. Firstly, you are ignoring the ant-goyism in Judaism which is consistent. A persistent effort has been made to undermine the Church. What is central to Christianity is the love of your enemies and love of your neighbour and of God as exemplified and enacted by the self sacrifice of Chirst in the Passion.
I don't think Nietzsche associates egoism with a healthy soul , for Nietzsche "ego is fiction" , I think self interest here means , the interest in becoming, the self for Nietzsche is becoming therefore identity or egoism is out of question! Instincts can be described as the morality of becoming;
Not everyone could raise to it's natural state of Anarki ,ANARKI is the most basic and natural being,but one has to go through all non_natrual states in order to acknowledge them and self understanding gets it to its most balanced state which is Anarki natural ordered being
I LOOVVE your work and feel you are by more than a little the best Nietzsche scholar on YT-but I have to somewhat disagree with some of the sentiments of this video- The conclusion makes it sound like Nietzsche condemned this internal struggle of drives and affects. Yet in his own words “War is the father of all good things”, the metaphor of the bow’s tension-concepts practically lifted from his closest ancestor philosopher, Heraclitus. Most importantly, the rest of BGE 200 has the typical Nietzschean twist of stating that it is precisiely in such ages of “mixed races” and cultures that seed greater types like Caesar, Alcibiades and Da Vinci, for whom this integral struggle is “one more charm and incentive of life”, who master, self outwit this “war” inside themselves. Two of these figures existed in antiquity and one in its renaissance. Perhaps the idea is that even “stronger ages” are destined for degeneration, and these three merely “gave birth to the dancing star” of secretly decadent epochs. Yet this would feel counter to Nietzsche’s Heraclitean DNA, and to the “Great Health” that thrives on over coming the Great Sickness. But would very much (and respectfully) like to hear your thoughts on such.
If we had not gotten rid of our unconscionable drives, would we still be “ human?”From my readings of , I assume I would not like him personally at all.
Nietzsche seems to get it until the very end. Humans live life like a parabola not like and ever increasing exponential function. Even that is over simplifying it as every stimulus in your life changes the variables of existence. But for example, he said it was decay when the French aristocracy gave up their powers. This negates the ability of humans to recognize Their own demise which is the true humbling of the soul. A naive scholar would assume that you will can continue forever when it is obvious that is not the case in this mortal form.
Why do so many philosophers seem to easily call out the atrocities of societies and the techniques they use to maintain and control the human condition? Yet, so few rebel? It seems like most just continue along with the society they question and have no desire to separate the artificial chains created by it. Is it simply self-preservation for the high possibility of death or imprisonment?
Its because they know it is a delicate balancing act. Some people's drives & impulses are extremely detrimental to others. It's a recipe for conflict because everyone's level of awareness is different.
WILL TO POWER always see loses from pain, timing and ability. The soul is the human soil, it feciese. Tells you what it eat. It food is power and the power conduct will.
Almost 12,000 philosophy undergrad degrees are awarded in the USA every year. Hundreds of universities have philosophy departments, including all of the Ivies and top state schools.
@@FabricadeBasme Of course, but there are people studying and teaching the subject, and every major university devotes resources to the pursuit of a field that is hardly a big moneymaker.
I have a saying or aphinany that came to me one day Is that internal progress and the crusade for it socialy and in other ways becomes a plague not because they might not be good ideas but because if you are always fighting things when do you stop? At what point is it enough? That's what happens with so many political movements they achieve their goal and instead of letting it go they keep crusading.
That's exactly what has happened with feminism and other emancipation movements. If your goal is female "empowerment" or "justice" then there will be no end to your movement. Such open ended and vague goals are not achievable.
@TheMachiavellians Yah Feminism is my main one I critique I just didn't feel to mension it. These days it's all about "making up for the lost opportunities of the past" so giving unfare advantages that directly discriminate to make up for past discrimination?? It's weird as someone who is in the trades I think girls definitely do get shit on more but if you don't make it a point that it's cause your a girl and they still treat you bad they are just assholes. Sexism only truly exist now between competing ideals not actually people imo. Most people couldn't give a crap. It makes me sad because I see as a young guy how the modern feminism has affected many girls my age and they act just like they guys of the past they criticized. I wish this modern era of everyone beefing all the time would end it has weighed so heavily on us all
Feminism has morphed from, "If I'm qualified, why can't I?" to, "Get out of my way, I'm entitled to this." That's not an approach designed to smooth relations with others, but is typical of our narcissistic age.
We need to hit the button harder in order to ensure of driving us outta trouble. We've been into decadence and decay stages many times in our past humankind years. Hope and sacrifices is bringing unexpected journeys by human strength to superate this face. It's understandable seeing many people here with a low moral abt our future and the situation right now. However anthropologists will study this lost transition moment of humanity fuelled by discontent, hate and a missconcept of good values & principles leading up to a total immortality, indecency, untrustworthy and falt of dignity. I so believe pessimism, susceptibility and complaining of nowadays without any constructive aim to communities is only works on the other way around. Hence why nihilistic thoughts and agnostics mind-set with not faith isn't founded to any degrees and concept of lofeforms included.
Didn't Nietzche's following of innate jibes lead him into aquiring syphilis and dying an incoherent wreck in a mental institution? He's a genius, no question about it; however, following his line of thinking is not much better than seeking counsel from the local drunk. I'm sure most of us that are watching this video are enervated beings of much reduced will, who will not be made one iota better as it's probably a symptom of decadence, too.
If I'm interpreting this correctly, Nietzsche posits that humans' primary driving force is the need for POWER. If so, I very much disagree. Isn't the human need to FEEL GOOD much stronger?
@@jamesseeker1538 I guess that depends on what is meant by "powerless." I've often felt good even though external forces had power over my physical circumstances. Does that count?
What do you get when philosophy lags science and technology? BOOM, and not in a good way. Science and technology ends up in the hands of adults with child minds* (currently all adult humans). *from the perspective of Broader Survival.
Nietzsche seems like a Yogi. Hinduism is about looking inward within oneself with profoundness as the future. Hinduism is the science and technology of wellbeing. Hindusim is not a belief system. Hinduism does not have submission. Hinduism does not have commandments.
Descartes had a similar opinion of them as in they can have a different opinion on how everything works depending on which side of the bed they got up off of that morning . . I'v never been impressed by any of them , take Nietzsche . . he goes on flights of fancy about Christianity , without a clue it's based on early Mars worship when Mars/Christ closer & closest of the old polar configuration great one eye looming huge in the old north sky . . the devil & holy trinity rolled into one hot mess on this planet of the apes
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By Nietsche, virtue, or say quality, is in humans being like ratt. Beyond the Nietsche desire for simplification, this is huge problem. Ratt colonizing the Galaxy
I feel Nietzche's ideology is narcissistic and void of any humanity, based of course on some value of humanity but only from a fragile sense of a fractured mentality of looking inwards at his own morality.
So one of the philosophers that helped pioneer the idea that God is dead, is appalled that humanity is doomed to fall into decadence?? Hmmm, interesting.........
Decadence wasnt just decay, but also the space in which the arts could flourish. He considers the decadent age of Greece the same period in which the arts and philosophies flourished.
Decay is necessary for development true. However when Nietzsche speaks of the golden era of Greece he's referring to the Classical period. Nietzsche thought the Greeks were able to hold off decadence during the classical era. The Hellenistic period was very decadent and Nietzsche was quite critical of that time. Socrates was a sign of what was to come.
@@TheMachiavellians He cared most for Pre-Socratic Greece and the days of his forefather, Heraclitus. "Socrates was a sign of what was to come." Indeed!
@@TheMachiavellians I didnt say he thought that was golden age, but the age after the society "relaxes" it begins to create other things, although this is also the beginning of the end. Its more complicated than just good or bad. When certain plants flower you know they are near death. For example, Nietzsche did consider Rome "unflowered", stating that what should have gone into the flower stayed in the stem. In other words, Rome kept expanding militarily and technically but not too much culturally. Rome's decadence didnt create the beauty that might have justified its existence in the eyes of Nietzsche.
He believed Pre-Socratic Greece was the Golden age by the time Aristophanes, Euripides and Socrates, get onto the scene, strength, warmth, beauty, and goodwill are replaced by reason and dialectic. Rationalising things by the Socratic method like, Plato his pupil who Nietzsche never forgave- while talking everyone else into the ground.
'Every high civilization decays by forgetting obvious things.' - G.K. Chesterton
Transwomen are women
Not sure if it's forgetting or more so arrogance that those things are no longer needed honestly.
...and the obvious thing eveyone is forgetting in this case is christianity. More than a millenium of christian tradition cannot just be replaced. It lays at the foundation of culture, moral values, state organization, hierarchy etc.
@@ReaverSenpai Political malfeasance creating conditions to perpetuate the state of
Parable of Nightmares?
"Since it was terror and disturbance and instability and doubt and division, many illusions were at work among them, and vain ignorance, like they were deep in sleep and found themselves in nightmares. Either they’re running somewhere, or unable to run away from someone; or they’re fighting, or being beaten; or they’ve fallen from heights, or fly through the air without wings. Sometimes, too, it’s like someone is killing them, even though no one’s chasing them; or they themselves are killing those around them, covered in their blood."
Like we no longer know what the difference between a Man and a Woman is. 1:00
We're approaching the crescendo. I've had enough of this apathetic technological dystopia. Hopefully I can make it to see what's going to emerge on the other side.
Unless you're going to live for at least a few centuries I wouldn't hold out much hope. I get the feeling most of us will die of old age before anything really interesting happens.
@@bro4539the us will be wiped out
If I have the ability the choose my brothers or atleast some good friends for life, I will choose these 3 men in this comment.
People seem to be waking up to what Jews have been up to for the last 100 years, so that’s a plus.
That’s how it always feels. Every generation has thought that it was the end. We’ve been through much worse but managed to get through it. Will humans evolve? Maybe. If we don’t destroy the planet. Don’t underestimate the human will and his good side. Life is very short. Do your best. That’s it. The end is not near. Greed and hate is what’s destroying our society.
A stupendous intellect, a psychological genius in his attempt to explain modern man to himself.
He is describing entropy in the human realm
We have the potential to attenuate an unknown amount of forces we are capable of discovering and understanding for working with.
@@BotNumber13 oscillatory trajectory between ordered and chaotic regimes in phase space
We use drugs/bad habits as a coping mechanism for the suppression of primal instincts. Like Dr. Grant said "He doesn't want to be fed he wants to hunt." There is a feeling of having a void within us, of something that is missing. This is the connection with spirituality and the connection with the shadow. Shadow Work, for me, is as simple as offering my shadow a place at the table. I acknowledge it and recognize it and my darker traits and fears as a part of myself. This usually seems to do the trick. Other solutions for shadow work are screaming, throwing a wet towel on the floor, or punching a punching bag. Primal instincts have been surpressed in our society. It is a sacrifice of having a society like ours. But it cannot continue indefinitely without mental health consequences for the collective psyche.
Problem in todays society is overindulgence. Overindulgence in drugs, sex, video games, technology etc. and lack of discipline/delayed gratification
Drugs, sex, video games, technology allow us a break from the mass psychosis the world has plummeted into. The real problem is we cant love each other openly and are actively encouraged not to - which is our instinct.
@@lukepocockgive an examole
to what?
@@lukepocock you said the problem today is that we're actively encouraged not to love each other
@@bikerboy3k look around - division, suspicion, racism etc etc. news shoved down our throats by media to divide us all - not connect us. No love.
Every high culture is endangered of cultivating head births, even neurosis.
You create institutions and habits that SEEM logical or "good", while theyre in fact removed from authenticity, but kept alive by the strength of the established system.
Yup. It is economically viable to keep the status quo maintained at the cost of mental health and true solutions to human-level problems. Drugs that cure PTSD when coupled with a CBT (I think it's CBT), like MDMA, are schedule I, while anti-depressants, that can keep you alive and can be very useful, but do not cure anything, are handed out like candy.
Carl Jung treated him and personally considered him "mad." I'm not sure if he was or wasn't but it's interesting.
Were all Mad 😊
Didn't he say Nietzche was basically animated by an archetype rather than having the mind of a typical man? Like that he got so caught up with his iconoclastic, almost contrarian ways, he began to embody his radical philosophy and stopped having normal social interactions and whatnot. I thought I remember Jung saying that Nietzche went "mad" due to the level of genius he was containing and trying to communicate in his works.
Jung was full of sh!t... his word salads and distortions confused most people. Nietzsche was unique and way more depth of thought, in much FEWER words than Jung. Nietzsche is worth the time, Jung makes you waste years of your time.
Thanks for this video . Decadence makes it difficult for a culture to change for the better good .
The war in “ourselves” is manufactured in some extent by the ideologies impressed upon us at a young age. Christianity makes a person feel bad about themselves.
“Thou Shalt Not”
But I think if you flip and we’re to teach that following the Ten Commandment will lead to feeling good about yourself it doesn’t create the same kind of inner turmoil in a person as they go through life learning from their mistakes
I think when children are taught to feel shame about their sexual urges is where the first inner conflict begins, which is why puberty is when innocence begins to diminish. Then as a person gets closer to adulthood societal expectations put one at war with one self
Christianity ruins so many lives. It only promotes self hatred.
You don't know anything about Christianity, which is the only antidote for a decadent world and the only avenue for human dignity, especially for women, who are treated like prostitutes in this post Christian world.
And now our post-Christian society shames us from a young age for being white and demonizes thinking for oneself to an unprecedented extent. Even during the Christian Wars of Religion, Europeans still weren't expected to be THIS conformist. You have to agree with every single woke dogma, otherwise you will be cancelled, even when you're a fellow "Progressive" like JK Rowling. It used to be that you just had to not blaspheme or publically insult the royal family of your kingdom, but now people can be arrested for "hate speech" for stating fairly benign and obvious facts.
Yah I grew up relegious and after I "left" I'm still vaguely relegious I realized they bible is not so much a law but a heavily sujested list of stories and rules that can prevent one from having internal hell as they morals and standards decay. I brought this up to people in the church and was told I was big headed for thinking ik better than the bible lol never said that if anything I complimented it.
Good change only comes through suffering of some kind. Prosperity eventually leads to suffering. It’s a cycle!
I disagree
The fourth turning is here
@@blackpillfitness9136 ok!
@@bonniegaither3994 what’s that?
@@JeffMTX , it is the sequel to the original The Fourth Turning
Life the soul is quite simple , it's the environmental, social dynamics and eduction that can kill ones life force and soul , which enivitably derives to " Degradation "
We are so f....d
I believe the opposite. I believe that we are set up to do exactly what we're supposed to do. We are f ed in regards to a society that resembles a consumer society like the one we live in now. You're here because you hate the consumer model so you should want to see it go.
Everyone's story ends the same way, so yes.
Only F if you allowed yourself to be! Watch around yes is decaying incurable but you stay away from
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Addiction is a daily struggle of the mind and emotions
It is the animal behavior, where we become slaves to our nerve endings and we are no longer calling the shots but the flesh is
You just need to say no to demons. Find Jesus in your heart and soul. NO more drugs
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It all started with the first tree we chopped down. And that was the Tree Of Knowledge.
No it was the “Tree of Life”, the “Tree of Knowledge” leads to ignorance knowing everything about nothing rather than wisdom knowing nothing about everything.
@@imuppot2289 There is something suspicious about trees and humans. Could it be, that we all at one time lived in them?
@@Helm-w1q We are all baby Oaks. 🙏🆘❤️
Hey, I just wanna know how many godly angels are dancing in the heads of pin-heads!
It is bound to happen. Prosperity ripens the principle of decay. It is natural and inevitable.
Super interesting and well spoken. Downloaded. Shared. Subbed. Many thanks from Australia.. keep em coming
Where's Australia?
I see this as a reason for celebration. Celebration meaning that there's nothing holding us back anymore, there's nothing worth fighting for, struggling for achieving. In other words, we're free.
But free for what? Free to wander I'd say. I see nomadism as the only authentic and active answer to decadence. Nomadism. To set feet on the road and never stop unless there's something worth stopping for.
And I'll close my thesis with Achilles' choice: 'Better a brief life, full of action and shine, than a long, but empty life.'
I like that.
I have put the same before , as I feel that travelling is the only noble thing a human is capable of & which a more advanced being in a flying saucer could admire
Suppressing instincts vs. Succumbing to self-destructive tendencies
Balance 🧘♂️
He was surgical in describing the human condition
When did Nietchze visit Asia or live among traditional people of whom there were many while he was alive? Did he ever live in a manor with servants? I would see the life he had experience with as Bohemian and kind of shitty.
@@johnmcmahon5225 What? Nietzsche had a variety of health conditions which forced him to travel to find a suitable climate so he traveled far more than the average person back then. Not only that he was a polygot, which is nice if you want to experience the world and cultures.
Nietzsche received a pension for his brief position as chair of philosophy, which afforded him the greatest luxury. Free time and being able to do what you want but sure he didn’t have a mansion.
He also had correspondence with some of the most respected intellectuals of his age.
If traveling, reading and writing about what you care about and conversing with interesting people on a perpetual sick leave isn’t enough then. If that’s not enough to make a fulfilling live, I don’t know what is, guess all of us have shitty lives.
Actually never-mind if Nietzsche could have had a blunt, 100M in the bank, a Bugatti, some bitches and play some HALO on the Xbox he actually would have had a good life.
Don’t forget most people were literally peasants back then if you want to compare.
As long as there's greed society will eventually fail. Since we can't get rid of it, we'll continue to fail as a society.
Greed has always been with us. Cain & Abel? Even apes & monkeys are greedy.
Greed existed as the society rose because self interest is the essential element of human nature. Who in the past wasn't greedy? Native Americans hunted the horse to extinction, and then later the beaver to sell to the white man. Everyone wants air conditioning and a motor vehicle.
This is incorrect. We have proven that we can put in place checks and balances that will allow for methods to identify and remove those who do not have the best interest of their constituents in mind. The issue is that when the constituency doesn’t care or pay attention to what’s happening, then we have no triggers to initiate those processes. People care more about the Kardashians than what’s happening in government.
As if we didn't make huge progress despite having abundance of greed since day one?
I figure it's always been like this... We haven't changed much since 1700; cell phones aint shit.
yup, way too many don't realize that
"Imagine a world where vital energies are relentlessly drained, where the instincts essential for human guidance and psychic equilibrium are systemically disrupted." Tell me that modern interactive technologies like phones, social media, video games, internet porn don't have this exact effect
Superb. After reading nearly all of Nietzsche in 1876-79 I embarked on a journey of ten years covering 34 states, living in 5, and 8 countries, to try to fully grasp what he meant by "the advent of nihilism" and the more time went on the more fully did I come to appreciate the gravity and prescience of what he meant!
“What I relate is the history of the next two centuries. I describe what is coming, what can no longer come differently: the advent of nihilism!
Nihilism stands at the door: whence comes this uncanniest of all guests?
1. Point of departure: it is an error to consider 'social distress' or 'physiological degeneration' or, worse, corruption, as the cause of nihilism. Ours is the most decent and compassionate age. Distress, whether of the soul, body, or intellect, cannot of itself give birth to nihilism (i.e., the radical repudiation of value, meaning, and desirability). Such distress always permits a variety of interpretations. Rather: it is in one particular interpretation, the Christian-moral one, that nihilism is rooted.
2. The end of Christianity-at the hands of its own morality (which cannot be replaced), which turns against the Christian God (the sense of truthfulness, developed highly by Christianity, is nauseated by the falseness and mendaciousness of all Christian interpretations of the world and of history; rebound from 'God is truth' to the fanatical faith 'All is false'; a Buddhism of inaction).
3. Skepticism regarding morality is what is decisive. The end of the moral interpretation of the world, which no longer has any sanction after it has tried to escape into some beyond, leads to nihilism. 'Everything lacks meaning' (the untenability of one interpretation of the world, upon which a tremendous amount of energy has been lavished, awakens the suspicion that all interpretations of the world are false). Buddhistic tendency, a kind of yearning for Nothing. (Indian Buddhism is not the culmination of a thoroughly moralistic development; its nihilism is therefore full of morality that is not overcome: existence as punishment, existence construed as error, error thus as a punishment- is a moral valuation.)
4. Philosophical attempts to overcome the 'moral God' (Hegel, pantheism).
Overcoming popular ideals: the sage; the saint; the poet.
The antagonism of 'true' and 'beautiful' and 'good'."
~ Friedrich Nietzsche (1888)
Nietzsche's comments on nihilism are highly prescient. I come from a highly religious background and I have found what he has to say about Christianity and nihilism is spot on.
@@TheMachiavellians Me too, although his elucidation of christian psychology and the origin of morality in the need to ounish, in the Genealogy of Morals, I think is a bit over the top.
@@James-ll3jb That part of his philosophy applies to monasticism more than some other forms. Christianity is a very broad term for a variety of practices. Nietzsche's critique of Christianity tries to cover most of them. Many people criticize him for contradicting himself but in reality it is the subject that is a contradiction. I just read a biography of Martin Luther and Nietzsche's comments in the Genealogy seem to apply very well to figures like Luther. The ascetics punished themselves very severely for their impulses. I think there is something deeply pathological about that.
@@TheMachiavellians Agreed.
Nietzsche,
projecting his mid-life crisis;
genius is a hell of a drug.
If we're talking about decay of civilization, Spengler has much more flashed out theory.
There's a portion of us born without empathy. They view life like a game and seek power positions. Politics and police forces are full of them. However this condition isn't catchy.
Born without empathy or just money corrupted once a neutral human ? That's the real question.
By my experience those are typically sadists and/or narcissists.
Sadly, psychology is SO politicized that sadistic personality disorder has been removed in dsm-4. This makes us blind for these obviously disturbed characters. I would argue theyre the basis of the modern capitslist economy.
Look up the diagnostic criteria. Youll have a field day looking at socalled "leaders", politicians and police men.
Psychopaths and narcissists (and to a lesser extent, sociopaths).
They are all sub-human, but because of their simplicity they dominate the rest of us. This prevents humans from evolving any further socially.
Very well done. Thank you for the amazing content
Thanks for watching!
Gotta leave when the time is right
"their most profound desire is that the war they are should come to an end"
damn bro
This is why self transformation requires self sacrifice
people are not war though
@@ryad1281 if you watch the video, it’s referring to how people in a decadent society are usually born of mixed cultures with competing and opposing values. Because of this opposition, their identity becomes a “war” of cultural values according to Nietzche’s ideas
This war within oneself is a reason why self-sacrifice is necessary for self-transcendence and rebirth
what are you trying to say ?
Renee Magritte is my favorite artist. Which of his works is shown here?
Nietzsche, the successor to Schaupenhauer. I love reading both.
ditto!
Sounds to me like Nietzsche was a Freudian. And anyone who says that his conscientiousness is his weakest and most fallible organ mustn't have his head screwed on straight. We can see this was the case with Nietzsche just by looking at how he lived and died. And I'm not looking to emulate that life.
N. Schop,'s metaphysics are a philosophical result of Kant's turn to transcendental ontology, hence thoroughly " formalistuc" metaphysics of both, using generalist vague terms like "force" " will" as a replacement fir actual philosophical cosmology.
The "transcendental ontology" you are referring to is a development in metaphysics. Truth and being are bound together so you can't speak of the former without commenting on the latter. Hence Schopenhauer's cosmic will which Nietzsche borrows.
@@TheMachiavellians transcendental aesthetic ontology something about just eat between nexus points
Nietzsche's work was the precursor to postmodern philosophy, which could be argued to be responsible for the decline of humanity. He did indeed describe himself as a "decadent."
Outstanding! Really excellent stuff.. lots of good fodder for thought here 🧐😄
Fantastic Channel. You’re in the leagues of Academy of Ideas & The Living Philosophy. Keep up the good work!
On being now in my 70's of lifelong learning, experience, observation, creativity, understanding, re-examination 24/7 365.
There is no higher power of understanding or knowing, than the collective conscious cognoscentient being; humanity itself.
It is amazing which keywords Nietzsche used. I believe if he had knowledge from today with Quantum Superposition and Game Theory everything would not sound that dark as it is one possiblity out of many.
divine unity before government / democracy
War inside my head
Thanks for your fantastic videos
„Ich lehre euch den Übermenschen. Der Mensch ist Etwas, das überwinden werden soll. Was habt ihr gethan, ihn zu überwinden?“
I think Nietsche is full of it, because it’s just not that simple, but I appreciate the video anyway, thank you.
Nietzsche gives us all something to think about, as do all great philosophers. He tries to teach us HOW to think, not WHAT to think. The finger pointing to the moon is not the moon
Nietzsche was one super intelligent s.o.b.
No he wasn’t he was simply ignorant of societal norms and could therefore see clearly. We all have this ability, we simply have to let go of “comfort”.
@@imuppot2289 Seems to me he was anything but "ignorant of societal norms". I believe many historical thinkers - particularly in western 19th c. thought, with the advent/flourishing of modern of biological science, anthropology, psychology etc., instigating new perspectives - concerned themselves with the relationship/problem/conflict of the ("natural") individual and society. Freud is a clear example.
Nietzsche was a fine one talk about "decadence", being an influence for Nazis Germany as he was, and an influence for aristocrats and fascists, as he continues to be. Fascists can see decadence all around them, except for their own.
Nietzsche never excluded himself when discussing decadence. Every modern human being is decadent, some are just more decadent than others. As for the Nazis lets not forget that antisemitism was the official position of the Catholic church for over a thousand years and is central to Christianity. Even the Protestant Reformation was highly antisemitic. The Nazis needed no help from Nietzsche and distorted his works to justify their desire for revenge like the Christians did with Jewish texts before them.
@@TheMachiavellians Actually, you are wrong. Firstly, you are ignoring the ant-goyism in Judaism which is consistent. A persistent effort has been made to undermine the Church. What is central to Christianity is the love of your enemies and love of your neighbour and of God as exemplified and enacted by the self sacrifice of Chirst in the Passion.
@@andrewphilip3308 lol. Anti goyism…hahaha please explain genuis
The enlightenment fantasy of the individual. One wonders in Neitsche would have labeled himself a "coward".
'Nietzche was stupid and abnormal' - Leo Tolstoy
I would say Nietzche was very intelligent and creative but also extremely grumpy.
I'm afraid no longer do these powerful souls exist in the individual.
I don't think Nietzsche associates egoism with a healthy soul , for Nietzsche "ego is fiction" , I think self interest here means , the interest in becoming, the self for Nietzsche is becoming therefore identity or egoism is out of question! Instincts can be described as the morality of becoming;
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High standard take. Been wonderig about this for years.
Not everyone could raise to it's natural state of Anarki ,ANARKI is the most basic and natural being,but one has to go through all non_natrual states in order to acknowledge them and self understanding gets it to its most balanced state which is Anarki natural ordered being
I LOOVVE your work and feel you are by more than a little the best Nietzsche scholar on YT-but I have to somewhat disagree with some of the sentiments of this video-
The conclusion makes it sound like Nietzsche condemned this internal struggle of drives and affects. Yet in his own words “War is the father of all good things”, the metaphor of the bow’s tension-concepts practically lifted from his closest ancestor philosopher, Heraclitus.
Most importantly, the rest of BGE 200 has the typical Nietzschean twist of stating that it is precisiely in such ages of “mixed races” and cultures that seed greater types like Caesar, Alcibiades and Da Vinci, for whom this integral struggle is “one more charm and incentive of life”, who master, self outwit this “war” inside themselves.
Two of these figures existed in antiquity and one in its renaissance. Perhaps the idea is that even “stronger ages” are destined for degeneration, and these three merely “gave birth to the dancing star” of secretly decadent epochs. Yet this would feel counter to Nietzsche’s Heraclitean DNA, and to the “Great Health” that thrives on over coming the Great Sickness.
But would very much (and respectfully) like to hear your thoughts on such.
Nietzsche had a profound insight!
Unfortunately, he also found it perplexing, which shoe was for which foot?
All things conform to patterns. All patterns conform to meta-patterns, and on and on.
EVERYthing is a cycle, you just have to identify it.
If we had not gotten rid of our unconscionable drives, would we still be “ human?”From my readings of , I assume I would not like him personally at all.
Nietzsche seems to get it until the very end. Humans live life like a parabola not like and ever increasing exponential function. Even that is over simplifying it as every stimulus in your life changes the variables of existence. But for example, he said it was decay when the French aristocracy gave up their powers. This negates the ability of humans to recognize Their own demise which is the true humbling of the soul. A naive scholar would assume that you will can continue forever when it is obvious that is not the case in this mortal form.
The problem is not technology or societal development.
It is the motive behind every persons actions.
Why do so many philosophers seem to easily call out the atrocities of societies and the techniques they use to maintain and control the human condition? Yet, so few rebel? It seems like most just continue along with the society they question and have no desire to separate the artificial chains created by it. Is it simply self-preservation for the high possibility of death or imprisonment?
Its because they know it is a delicate balancing act. Some people's drives & impulses are extremely detrimental to others. It's a recipe for conflict because everyone's level of awareness is different.
It's because their philosophy doesn't work. If it did, it would eventually become universal and society would change.
Great explanation.
WILL TO POWER always see loses from pain, timing and ability. The soul is the human soil, it feciese. Tells you what it eat. It food is power and the power conduct will.
Are you sure this isn't The Malthusians rather than The Machiavellians?
Human psychology is the subject feel no need for what it has and need what it can't have.
Obsession in people and things is the end of civilization
I have been experiencing this behavior
This can be coded and dog whistled so easily. You’re doing great service
Bravo. This is very good
Where are these philosophers of the future?
Almost 12,000 philosophy undergrad degrees are awarded in the USA every year. Hundreds of universities have philosophy departments, including all of the Ivies and top state schools.
@@johnmcmahon5225And yet most philosophers didn't earn a graduate in philosophy.
@@FabricadeBasme Of course, but there are people studying and teaching the subject, and every major university devotes resources to the pursuit of a field that is hardly a big moneymaker.
I have a saying or aphinany that came to me one day Is that internal progress and the crusade for it socialy and in other ways becomes a plague not because they might not be good ideas but because if you are always fighting things when do you stop? At what point is it enough? That's what happens with so many political movements they achieve their goal and instead of letting it go they keep crusading.
That's exactly what has happened with feminism and other emancipation movements. If your goal is female "empowerment" or "justice" then there will be no end to your movement. Such open ended and vague goals are not achievable.
@TheMachiavellians Yah Feminism is my main one I critique I just didn't feel to mension it. These days it's all about "making up for the lost opportunities of the past" so giving unfare advantages that directly discriminate to make up for past discrimination?? It's weird as someone who is in the trades I think girls definitely do get shit on more but if you don't make it a point that it's cause your a girl and they still treat you bad they are just assholes. Sexism only truly exist now between competing ideals not actually people imo. Most people couldn't give a crap. It makes me sad because I see as a young guy how the modern feminism has affected many girls my age and they act just like they guys of the past they criticized. I wish this modern era of everyone beefing all the time would end it has weighed so heavily on us all
Feminism has morphed from, "If I'm qualified, why can't I?" to, "Get out of my way, I'm entitled to this." That's not an approach designed to smooth relations with others, but is typical of our narcissistic age.
We need to hit the button harder in order to ensure of driving us outta trouble. We've been into decadence and decay stages many times in our past humankind years. Hope and sacrifices is bringing unexpected journeys by human strength to superate this face. It's understandable seeing many people here with a low moral abt our future and the situation right now. However anthropologists will study this lost transition moment of humanity fuelled by discontent, hate and a missconcept of good values & principles leading up to a total immortality, indecency, untrustworthy and falt of dignity. I so believe pessimism, susceptibility and complaining of nowadays without any constructive aim to communities is only works on the other way around. Hence why nihilistic thoughts and agnostics mind-set with not faith isn't founded to any degrees and concept of lofeforms included.
Sorry *immorality
Great vid.
8:14 That is a cool work of art. Artist ?
Didn't Nietzche's following of innate jibes lead him into aquiring syphilis and dying an incoherent wreck in a mental institution? He's a genius, no question about it; however, following his line of thinking is not much better than seeking counsel from the local drunk. I'm sure most of us that are watching this video are enervated beings of much reduced will, who will not be made one iota better as it's probably a symptom of decadence, too.
Signs point to YES!
Thank You very Much ……..🌞
If I'm interpreting this correctly, Nietzsche posits that humans' primary driving force is the need for POWER. If so, I very much disagree. Isn't the human need to FEEL GOOD much stronger?
Have you ever felt good when you were powerless?
@@jamesseeker1538 I guess that depends on what is meant by "powerless."
I've often felt good even though external forces had power over my physical circumstances. Does that count?
That's what he's talking about, by "power" he means a feeling of psychological and spiritual well-being, not to merely bully others.
Psychos go for power, the rest of us...depends.
O your feelings again , please,it's only power that all want ,we are told constantly,u can have it your way always 😂
This is so good
Agree. 1st video from this channel and I smashed that subscribe
Riesamme, mene, mene, huono tekele, ei versojani.
Riesamme, menkää, menkää , huonot tekeleet, ei versojamme.
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I didnt know i learned Nietzsche before learning about him
Thanks!
Thanks for the tip! Means a lot!
The ' logos'
We are all "I am"
What do you get when philosophy lags science and technology?
BOOM, and not in a good way. Science and technology ends up in the hands of adults with child minds* (currently all adult humans).
*from the perspective of Broader Survival.
Machiavelli is my ancestor
Nietzsche seems like a Yogi. Hinduism is about looking inward within oneself with profoundness as the future. Hinduism is the science and technology of wellbeing. Hindusim is not a belief system. Hinduism does not have submission. Hinduism does not have commandments.
Anyone with that mustache is not the full quid.
Read Sri Aurobindo the Ideal of Human Unity: Freedom and Self - Determination,
I like to think of music as being a language from the soul 🤨🤔😼
Scott Galloway (marketing professor) jokes that philosophers are useless; I agree
Descartes had a similar opinion of them as in they can have a different opinion on how everything works depending on which side of the bed they got up off of that morning . . I'v never been impressed by any of them , take Nietzsche . . he goes on flights of fancy about Christianity , without a clue it's based on early Mars worship when Mars/Christ closer & closest of the old polar configuration great one eye looming huge in the old north sky . . the devil & holy trinity rolled into one hot mess on this planet of the apes
He marketed his idea to you and you bought it. He's good!
He marketed his idea to you and you bought it. He's good!
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Galloway has $200mn investment portfolio
Lol scott Galloway fell for and pushed every pharma/gov/media covid narrative
Odelay. I like your channel. It’s a good channel. It reminds me of the necessity to say one thing, and one thing only to all weak manipulators: Non Hoc Porcus. Para doxos uber oxus moros. Adios 🦈🎵👣
By Nietsche, virtue, or say quality, is in humans being like ratt. Beyond the Nietsche desire for simplification, this is huge problem. Ratt colonizing the Galaxy
Im very annoyed by hearing the word "posit" from every single UA-camr. The same thing happened with the word "adnauseaum" fuck
cope
I would like to move on from "accountability", also. They've ran that one in the ground also...
Ok, we'll look into that!
when is part two of this Nietzsche panacea coming, wow!!!
I feel Nietzche's ideology is narcissistic and void of any humanity, based of course on some value of humanity but only from a fragile sense of a fractured mentality of looking inwards at his own morality.
He always shits all over everything
This is like Jesus and the Devil having their disagreement in the wilderness. But then at the end agreeing about the worship of false idols.
Well I love your subject matter and take… sadly I can’t focus on the subject matter because of your voice, just dosent work for me
So one of the philosophers that helped pioneer the idea that God is dead, is appalled that humanity is doomed to fall into decadence?? Hmmm, interesting.........
Maybe he saw the future, we’re we are now, under the control of Marxists, remember their philosophy is redemption through sin.
Didn’t he say ‘God is dead, and we have killed Him?’
Decadence wasnt just decay, but also the space in which the arts could flourish. He considers the decadent age of Greece the same period in which the arts and philosophies flourished.
Decay is necessary for development true. However when Nietzsche speaks of the golden era of Greece he's referring to the Classical period. Nietzsche thought the Greeks were able to hold off decadence during the classical era. The Hellenistic period was very decadent and Nietzsche was quite critical of that time. Socrates was a sign of what was to come.
@@TheMachiavellians He cared most for Pre-Socratic Greece and the days of his forefather, Heraclitus. "Socrates was a sign of what was to come." Indeed!
@@TheMachiavellians I didnt say he thought that was golden age, but the age after the society "relaxes" it begins to create other things, although this is also the beginning of the end. Its more complicated than just good or bad.
When certain plants flower you know they are near death. For example, Nietzsche did consider Rome "unflowered", stating that what should have gone into the flower stayed in the stem. In other words, Rome kept expanding militarily and technically but not too much culturally.
Rome's decadence didnt create the beauty that might have justified its existence in the eyes of Nietzsche.
He believed Pre-Socratic Greece was the Golden age by the time Aristophanes, Euripides and Socrates, get onto the scene, strength, warmth, beauty, and goodwill are replaced by reason and dialectic. Rationalising things by the Socratic method like, Plato his pupil who Nietzsche never forgave- while talking everyone else into the ground.
@@444-w8k I appreciate you expanding your original comment.
Incredible how close AH was to realizing Nietzsches vision