I need to get a few things fixed on the bike, but yeah. I think so. I want to beet Terry Hershner’s record, I failed by like 2 hours because of traffic and extreme weather. (Next video) Also, I was just doing a charity ride for veterans the first few days. Not in a rush.
They should seriously look into setting their future bikes up with a proper glycol cooling system like Tesla does. Then they might be able to push charging speeds to about 15 min like they mentioned not too long ago. Tesla without this would be just like Nissan Leaf first gen, which is useless lol
Well, their smaller pack has great passive cooling. There's elements in the pack that touch the cells and go to the heat sinks on the outside. To fit more cells in for my bike, they removed those heat pipes and some other stuff. Basically, the cells are thermally isolated in the pack. The good news is, it throttles back plenty to protect the cells. People have quick charged for 20+ thousand miles with no sign of degradation. Down side of course, slow charge speeds after the first quick charge, and even slower on the 3rd+ for the day, especially if it's hot out. Hoping when I do this again in September to bring it back, it's 10-20F cooler.
Yeah, I'd hoped to keep 12 or 13kW on the low end, but got gimped down to 7 or 8 in the desert when I pushed the battery to extreme lows and highs repeatedly, in 114F temps. I'm going to ride it back in Fall, hopefully before the mountains are covered in snow. Looking for 10-20F lower temps, and hopefully I can maintain 12+ kW. I broke the production electric motorcycle cross country record, but failed to beat the modified record, by ~2 hours. Of course, my route was 250 miles longer. I wasn't even racing though for the first few days. I'll do it a day shorted pushing hard from the start on the return trip.
Well, you get a crazy fast first charge. Then 90-120 miles. Then a fast charge and another long ride. Then it goes to about SR/S speeds. Also, this was in 100F temps. My SR/S 12kW charger never worked for me to test it in conditions like this. Also, in the US, most of our level 2’s are 6kW. It’s a challenge to find 12kW ones. And the SR/S’ smaller battery means it couldn’t make the ride I just made. It wouldn’t make the 110 mile uphill runs between chargers, not safely at least (maybe on the shoulder at 40-50MPH) - and it would still have 2+ hour charge stops at 6kW.
The theory was, charge slow from the start and it won’t heat up the battery as fast. Apparently 12kW heats it up the same as 23, so, just go for it and max it out is what I’ll keep doing.
There’s no active cool, and the cells are isolated in the 21.5kWh packs. They can’t easily bleed the heat that’s built up. My battery never went into “red” status, just yellow where it limits charging speed to protect the life of the battery. It stays yellow after the first charge most of the summer.
Yes. It’s for the AC charger or motor controller or something. Battery is passively cooled. I thought the same in the beginning also. Do you follow Hans on UA-cam? He does all sorts of 21.5kWh experiments to test the best way to charge without overheating.
Great music! Man what a trip. What a hardcore test of what electric motorcycles are capable of!
With the fam now, but the final day was the insane hardcore weather day. Hopefully I can sneak away for a few hours to put it together.
Pretty heroic ride, kudos!
Fun to watch. I haven't taken mine more than 30 minutes from my house. Still haven't fast charged it yet.
That's half the reason to go with an Energica! :) Test it out locally, then do a little cruise!
Super bravo !!!
So the plan is to ride back to DC after you get to LA and beat your time, right?
I need to get a few things fixed on the bike, but yeah. I think so. I want to beet Terry Hershner’s record, I failed by like 2 hours because of traffic and extreme weather. (Next video)
Also, I was just doing a charity ride for veterans the first few days. Not in a rush.
Only slightly concerned that it's been a few days without an update. Everything okay Zero Fun? Asking for a friend
Haha, sorry, met up with family and haven’t had a chance to edit together the last day.
@@ZeroFun glad to hear. Thanks for the trip vid. I’ve got an EsseEsse9 on order and taking notes about thermal management for long trips. :-)
Is it a + or regular? 13.4kWh packs charge crazy fast just about all day long. Just a bit shorter range.
@@ZeroFun + with the new motor. I live out in Washington where despite the green reputation charger can be few and far between outside of Seattle.
They should seriously look into setting their future bikes up with a proper glycol cooling system like Tesla does. Then they might be able to push charging speeds to about 15 min like they mentioned not too long ago. Tesla without this would be just like Nissan Leaf first gen, which is useless lol
Well, their smaller pack has great passive cooling. There's elements in the pack that touch the cells and go to the heat sinks on the outside. To fit more cells in for my bike, they removed those heat pipes and some other stuff. Basically, the cells are thermally isolated in the pack.
The good news is, it throttles back plenty to protect the cells. People have quick charged for 20+ thousand miles with no sign of degradation. Down side of course, slow charge speeds after the first quick charge, and even slower on the 3rd+ for the day, especially if it's hot out.
Hoping when I do this again in September to bring it back, it's 10-20F cooler.
@@ZeroFun Sweet, thanks for clearing that up for me!
Do you think you wouldnt have these battery temp problems if you made this trip in the Spring or Fall? But then you have to avoid mountain snow right?
Yeah, I'd hoped to keep 12 or 13kW on the low end, but got gimped down to 7 or 8 in the desert when I pushed the battery to extreme lows and highs repeatedly, in 114F temps.
I'm going to ride it back in Fall, hopefully before the mountains are covered in snow. Looking for 10-20F lower temps, and hopefully I can maintain 12+ kW. I broke the production electric motorcycle cross country record, but failed to beat the modified record, by ~2 hours. Of course, my route was 250 miles longer. I wasn't even racing though for the first few days.
I'll do it a day shorted pushing hard from the start on the return trip.
so dc fast charging is no better than the charging on my Zero Srs.
Well, you get a crazy fast first charge. Then 90-120 miles. Then a fast charge and another long ride. Then it goes to about SR/S speeds. Also, this was in 100F temps. My SR/S 12kW charger never worked for me to test it in conditions like this.
Also, in the US, most of our level 2’s are 6kW. It’s a challenge to find 12kW ones. And the SR/S’ smaller battery means it couldn’t make the ride I just made. It wouldn’t make the 110 mile uphill runs between chargers, not safely at least (maybe on the shoulder at 40-50MPH) - and it would still have 2+ hour charge stops at 6kW.
The theory was, charge slow from the start and it won’t heat up the battery as fast. Apparently 12kW heats it up the same as 23, so, just go for it and max it out is what I’ll keep doing.
I'd get your bike checked. It shouldn't over heat like that.
There’s no active cool, and the cells are isolated in the 21.5kWh packs. They can’t easily bleed the heat that’s built up. My battery never went into “red” status, just yellow where it limits charging speed to protect the life of the battery.
It stays yellow after the first charge most of the summer.
@@ZeroFun mine has a radiator. It's an RS. Does yours?
Yes. It’s for the AC charger or motor controller or something. Battery is passively cooled. I thought the same in the beginning also. Do you follow Hans on UA-cam? He does all sorts of 21.5kWh experiments to test the best way to charge without overheating.
ua-cam.com/users/Hans2183