Yeah it makes no sense from their perspective. The writers were telling the story from the audiences perspective because we know everything about her, in reality Jinx would be hated by everyone
@@1shot2shots3shotswas mad on first watch. Waited a few weeks before rewatching and I enjoyed it a lot when I went in with a "this is just a long and beautiful music video and there is nothing wrong with that" mindset. I let go of my knowledge of season 1 and it felt good. I laughed more didn't need subtitles like I usually do. And so I thank everyone who worked on it coz I had a ton of fun.
I think they did mention it. When Sevima was beating the crap out of Jinx, what makes her stop is Jinx admitting she killed Silco (This may be inaccurate, I don't remember that well most of the first arc)
Sivika wont care, because for her is more important that Jinx made Zaun united. That was the only thing Sivika ever wanted. Thats why she betrayed Vandor and not Silco. But Silco also lost his way, not to mention what she will do if she know that Silco didnt want to trade Jinx for nation of Zaun.
@@hocuspocus1126 How the fuck did Jinx make Zaun united? I mean she's not really a leader nor a figure people will follow. And knowing that she killed the guy who kept everything in check and was just a step ahead from gaining Zaun's independence would in fact piss off not only Sevika but people of Zaun too. Since Jinx is basically the reason why pilty-goons came down in the Under-city. In their search for her they make lives of people of Zaun miserable. There's no way no one would know about Jinx killing Silco. Being bitter to capture Jinx Cate 100% would use Jinx jeopordazing peace talks with Silco as a propaganda tool for people of the Under-city to sold her out The thing writers did is just lame ass writing. Jinx is a symbol because? Because of what exactly? What does she represents?
The worst part for me, apart from the absolutely idiotic character developpement, is how the story shifted from a super interesting conflict between two intertwined societies, to this stupid and generic marvel-like super-vilain with a robot army who wants to end human suffering and hatefulness (how original), but whose only true purpose is for the writers to get that common ennemy that serves as a reason to get both sides united for that "emotional" ending... Very disappointing writing.
Don't forget the "star crossed lovers" plot that actually sounds sinister in hindsight. Imagine constantly ending entire universes because you're too goddamn selfish to let a kid die.
The funniest thing was that zaun was given only one seat at the board for literally saving the asses of topsiders. Jeez, and people call *this* a "political art"
@blacktigerpaw1 Acutally, nah, the weird cosmic gay shit was probably one of the only good things from this season, that masterpiece was gayer then the literal gay sex scene, but it's still dumb with this whole MCstuff Like, I hate how Zaun really just teamed up with Piltover like it's nothing, and THEY ARE GOOD TOGETHER AT THE END?!?! We have no actual conflict or war between the two ideologies, but instead, we just get a 3rd threat and Ambessas manipulation 😭. Way to make the whole Zaun/Pilt backbone feel useless
Yeah they kick her out of the story after episode 4, she makes some small appearances but literally doesn’t say anything. Its weird that they spent so much time with her in the first act, only to forget about her later on
Thank you for saying this because this was one of my biggest frustrations with season 2 that nobody, not even the more critical videos, would bring up. It’s like the writers planned to make her a villain until they saw how loved she was by the cast and fandom and tried to turn her into some kind of “So Mentally Ill and Relatable” anti-hero. She doesn’t even feel like the same person anymore.
The new season is critically acclaimed lol, it’s shocking how it’s getting all of this positive attention. I think you’re right, they didn’t want to ruin their mascot, they got afraid of making her the bad guy. “Jinx is dead” and yeah she is dead, shes a totally different character. Glad you liked the video, its become a real passion for me to discuss this show
I 100% guarantee this was planned from the beginning. The story has always been about reconciliation between sisters, with Viktor as the main villain. Looking back, Viktor being always planned as the main villain is the only way to explain Heimerdinger’s flashbacks.
@@GenerationOffended I think this is a point where I'll have to disagree. Jinx wasn’t created to be a villain; in fact, it was expected from the start that she would become a fan favorite, as the writers were careful not to make her truly evil. She was crafted as a tragic character, destined to make mistakes and, in the end, possibly sacrifice herself for her sister. Jinx is a mix of Harley Quinn and Tank Girl and was never designed to be an outright villain. Arcane has had flaws since Season 1, and one of them, in my opinion, is the fact that the Council simply goes along with a pretty boy acting behind their backs, striking a deal with Silco, and suddenly deciding to grant Zaun independence. This feels especially odd considering Piltover has managed to suppress uprisings in the past and could easily do so again.
Jinx made a declaration when she fired that rocket. "This is who I am"....to completely throw that out the window with absolutely no ryhme or reason immediately in S2 was absolutley horrendous.
Quite literally yeah, only to say a couple episode later "Jinx is dead" while throwing a shell at the broken rocket. The metaphor being that she put that side of herself behind yet we have had no time to process that random change lol. But i'm sureee its just us right? Apparently we just don't get IT.
@@GenerationOffended well funny enought you missed a lot of things . First jinx is a narrative she has about herself . When she first that rocket it s an act of revenge towards the people who ruined her life . Once she did it she has nothing left . No family , no friends , no goals . My expectation after season 1 was that season 2 would be about jinx having a death wish and setting up vi to kill her ... Guess what ? They did it in the first part ! I mean it was so obvious that even I and many others predicted it and yet you people claim it was out of nowhere .
It’s like they forgot that Jink was a personality built off of years of unresolved trauma and influence from Silco. Instead, they just made Jink into a symbol and nothing else.
She has one mental breakdown in the same style as we saw in S1. It only happens when Isha is taken and it has no consequences she just shoots her record player. In S1 her breakdowns always had a consequence, like she would kill people or be erratic.
Fr if they wanted to ruin the rivial relationship between Vi and Jinx in favor of reconciliation then they should've done more with them being sisters again omg
lol its already hinting in season 1 someone has to die even though they are a character in the game of league of legends -----...--- like in this time line they cant push jinx to be part of the piltover and zaun and bring havoc like a copy of harlequinnn oh no no no someone has to die its just a simple rule of surival of the fittest and in this storyjinx decided to let go and they do reconcile the fu ck? jinx do realize she cant just throw away anymore the love of her sister for her even if she became like this, its so low level of writing where they would recosile like they are already hintin somebaody has to die runeterra is not your world where justice do prevail, and as a villain who is really an anti government, jinx here has to die because if she did not then its another Joker troupe character and im riot decided just decided to make her let go
I m so surprised to this day why no one talk about jinx character assasination in mainstream channels. Like they stripped her off of an ultimate serious decision which was a result of very tense emotional and painful changes she gone through, like nothing ever happened. I cant even describe the disappointment i felt once i sense no tension in her character when i first saw her in season 2 and realized the writers have dropped their balls to make jinx a serious villain despite clearly spending entire season setting her up for that role.
There’s a very clear divide. Either you thought the season was amazing and weak at certain points, while being great, or you thought it was horrible, predictably aimless and random, inconsistent bullshit. Wish the decisions that some characters make made some sense, atleast.
I have also been a bit surprised by the positivity the show has been recieving. Idk if its actual blindness to the shows flaws. Maybe so review guys just want some free skins in League of Legends lol.
@@GenerationOffendedI need to see one good argument for a flaw in Arcane in general and 1 good argument for season 2 to be as terrible as some try it out to make. So a quick run down as I already wrote a 5 hour perspective today and my fingers need rest: 1. How fucking naive are you guys if you think you can understand over 100 named characters at once within a few weeks of time. Season 1 was as good because we slowly discovered more and more about the character web and I bet most of them couldn’t even give a deep reason why Silco drugged the Undercity to take down Piltover. Season 2 is season 1 mirrored so to expect to understand it at this point is stupid. 2. Most stuff people say to shit on season 2 is because their understanding from season 1 is not the same as the writers as they cleared the ambiguity. And instead of accepting this they defend their opinion as they grew to love their interpretation of the story. Nothing in Arcane is because of chance and the fact that most of the trust people had after season 1 has disappeared after episode 2 is just sad to see and really not justified. 3. Also most of folk that doesn’t like season 2 think that season 2 is the end to all story arcs presented. And so we get a lot of false impressions like Jinx choosing death although Ekko „talked her out of it“ while this isn’t even shown. Or that the Vi-Cait scene was too long and the time could have been used to show more of Ekko or Mel. The arc that is done is the sister arc and the process of weaponizing Hextech. So the only story arcs that can be judged are the following: 1. Vander/Silco as in „breaking the cycle“ 2. Vi/Caitlyn as in „sometimes to create something new some things are left behind“ Both of these arcs are freaking perfect down to the last second. The rest will be continued in 1-2 years.
Warwick’s inclusion is so bizarre upon rewatch because it’s so glaringly obvious he only exists as a plot device. He’s a contrived excuse to reunite Vi and Jinx for a few episodes and then his “personality” is wiped only 3-4 episodes later. They should have kept him consciously Vander for a bit to make him losing his memories actually impactful because he doesn’t feel like a character at all, more the premise of one. All in all it feels like he was only around for a blip, it makes you question what was even the point of having him? As it stands the most impactful thing he does is make Vi hesitate on the ledge so Jinx can sacrifice herself
@@oliviab4079 I agree, he doesn't seem to have much of a point. I would have liked to see him more tortured and volatile, (meaning when he's not in bloodlust mode), giving him more personality outside of "he used to be Vander." It would have also raised the stakes of Jinx and Vi's mission to help each other help him if there was that tension of not knowing when he's gonna snap and hurt somebody. Instead when he's not in 100% bloodlust mode he's a docile little puppy bizarrely used to rehash Vander's story which we already know.
The more you look at a character in this season, the more they start to feel like just a plot device. Even major characters like Vi are barely more than a plot device in this season.
I found it odd that Jinx's schizophrenia basically completely disappeared, and she acted almost entirely lucid and in-control throughout season 2. Sure, she had a depressive episode in act 3, but that's wildly different from how she was in season 1. There's really only one time (when she's told that Isha has been captured by enforcers) where her hallucinations briefly return. Other than that, she also has the conversation with "Silco" in her jail cell, but that comes off less like a hallucination and more like just an internal dialog with a memory ala when "Vander" was giving Vi advice during her Sevika fight in season 1. Season 1 Jinx was an avatar of chaos who was literally incapable of living a normal life due to her severe mental illnesses; she was someone who could shoot or blow up everyone around her at any moment if she gets the wrong arbitrary trigger. Season 2 Jinx seems like a perfectly cogent person who could easily settle down at any point if she'd just accept that she's deserving of happiness. In large part, I think it was meant to be the influence of Isha on her, but she was acting way too sane even before Isha came along.
@@paIegeist Isha would be a fine addition to her character only if they provided her alongiside with good writing. And like withouth ruining Jinx herself the way the did in this Season. However yeah if Isha wasn't around and the whole Season was focused more on Piltover vs Zaun, Jinx vs Vi + Kate thing it could've been immeasurably better
@@paIegeist I didn't have a problem with Isha. She could've been (and debatably still was) an excellent avenue for change and growth in Jinx's character, with different writing (imagine if she died to an enforcer or Caitlyn, rather than in a pointless self-sacrifice). Personally, I wish Vander/Warwick hadn't existed. That's what derailed the season. Episodes 1-4 were setting up all-out war between Zaun and Piltover and Jinx accepting the mantle of being a symbol of Zaun's revolution, but then Vander/Warwick comes along and suddenly we're off on a completely different, unrelated story, going on strolls down memory lane and playing family reunion between two characters who were literally trying to kill each other an hour earlier. We didn't need backstory for how Silco and Vander met the girls' mother, or how Vi got her name. We needed more setup for Ambessa's motivations and the final act, not to mention a smoother transition between Zaun openly revolting against Piltover and suddenly coming to Piltover's defense against Ambessa/Viktor. Vander should've remained in season 1, and Warwick should've remained a blink-and-you'll-miss-it easter egg for League players. His addition to the season contributed nothing of importance at all, and only served to distract from the main conflict.
@@keiichi8191 I agree with you and aaltuxov. And looking back… I also don’t mind Isha… as much as I did Warwick. Today, I will rewatch everything and attempt to form a more… nuanced opinion. And let me be honest again, keiichi: I was getting fed up while watching, a bit angry at what I was seeing. This is part of the reason why I may have a bittersweet taste in my mouth about S2.
And funny thing is - most people are talking about "It is a good show, just a bit rushed" - not, it wasn't just rushed... I am not sure why people are so afraid of speaking the truth as it is. S2 script was bad, not just rushed.
It's not like they're afraid, it's that they're too lazy to ask questions and they're satisfied with everything this season brought. They're somewhat like Jinx: saw many pew-pew pow-pow wooosh stuff with some "plot" forced upon it, and then they went ballistic on "OMMGGG HOW GOOOD IT ISS 10/10 BEST SHOW EVER" Writers failed at creating a good story. Yet they successfully manipulated the mass viewer into believing they had created one
@@Kantorek17 - Yes! So many people are like, 'They tried to cram too much content into it', or 'the pace needed some work on it' - as if the content itself were all good and the only problem with it was the pace... :( :(
@@akashbart2765 Pisses me off too. I'm so tired of hearing all that bullcrap about «Jinx having good character development» and «There are no contradictions in the plot». And the amount of fucking Arcane theories that started to appear in my recommendations makes me feel like I'm looking upon some crazy ahh FNAF fandom 💀 I mean I wouldn't be surprised if Arcane story would turn out to be as messed up as the said franchise story in the future
Well tbf when it comes to plot and character development rushing can make it not work, which when you had spent more time the development would have been there. And with more time you would prob do some other things differently to plug up holes too. So to me it is like the hugest issue. They had to start with Jinx where they did at beginning s2 otherwise they would never make to the end they wanted, it was pretty truncated on many plot lines. They easily can make this season into 2 or three seasons with proper development. If they had they could have started with jinx as the villain in s2 and then show through events how she might start to change afterwards. But as it was it was sooooo condensed they just gloss over a lot of time changes.
Surprised nobody has talked about how cheap and badly written her"death" scene was. They made a point in showing how Warwick's consciousness got deleted by Singed and Viktor, so there is ZERO reason for the creature to wake up after dying when Viktor's army got Phantom Menaced. Both sisters deserved a goodbye scene, not an MCU ish final fight, specially when it's a fakeout
I also found it so bizarre that they used Wasteland again for that scene, when last time we heard it Jinx was at her lowest point about to off herself, presented in a way obvious to the viewer that what she was doing wasn’t the answer. Now they play it again when she’s supposed to be sacrificing herself heroically? Like what is the take away supposed to be? That she shouldn’t be doing this either? Or she gets her wish to die after all good for her?
@@my2randomcents let's not forget that jinx's friend isha blew herself up... because apparently jinx's gun is a suicide bomb now instead of a gun... and she didn't really care. nobody did. they didn't act like human beings in this season. nobody reacted logically to things, let alone showed true emotion. just a lot of glitz and glamor. oh this is supposed to be sad, right? booooo!
@@subterranea9095 Dude the fuck mean you talking about nobody acted emotionally to things my ass Caitlyn became a literal dictator due to her anger towards Jinx and her resentment of her own failures for not killing Jinx when she had the chance. Vi when went through a cloud of emotion with Vander coming back and dying again and trying to save him over and over again in the hopes of getting back her dad. Jinx when on a depressive spiral only for her to gain a life line in Isha for all that to be taken away in an instant after her sacrifice causing Jinx to try to kill herself Multiple times with Ekko talking her out of it. Like seriously y’all just hating for the sake of hating aren’t you because clearly you were not watching the show.
This is one of the most overrated seasons I’ve ever seen in any show. The amount of people who obsess over this horribly written season is so frustrating. The fight scenes & animation in this season is great no doubt, but the writing is inexcusably bad.
@@Kyle72396 what did you exactly found badly written. Just say the biggest plot hole or mistake you think you see and I can give you my perspective on it
@@aetherwolf9288 Well I don’t want to write an overly massive paragraph about season 2, but in short, I pretty much agree with everything GenerationOffended has said about this season. Some of my bigger frustrations with s2 is how much they’ve just rushed everything. Like Warwick’s death, Isha’s death, Jinx’s (supposed) sacrifice, & so on, which is understandable when you only have 9 episodes in your seasons, but 9 episodes is just not enough. Tv shows, especially tv shows like Arcane, need a lot more episodes than just 9. & it definitely doesn’t help that this show is now over. Season 1 managed to still be a good season with only 9 episodes, but with everything that was going on in season 2, it definitely needed more episodes, especially when this season is suppose to be the last. I have other big issues with this season, like Jinx suddenly having a redemption arc when she should’ve just remained as the main antagonist, & maybe then (maybe) she could have a redemption arc later on in the series, & that this season just completely drops the Zaun vs Piltover plot, for a completely different one that should’ve been its own season (GenerationOffended mentions these issues in his videos), but yeah.
@@Kyle72396I second this. I have to add on for me I was expecting s2 to be about Zaun/Piltover’s class oppression like in s1. But it went from that to the plot being all over the place, it feels like the writers couldn’t pick which plot to do. I think s2 should’ve deleted a lot of things/plot lines too. Like Vander/Warwick, the Ambessa plot line, Mel and the black rose and some of Viktor and Jayce’s scenes. I feel like no/little time was given to Jinx and Vi’s arcs compared to s1 and for me I think that was the most important part of the show. Also I think Jayce and Viktors arcs were good but they took up too much time.
Your videos are a breath of fresh air, I feel like I've been sniffing crazy glue sometimes with how effusive the praise has been for this season. It's definitely super flawed.
Thank you, yeah some people are really digging their heels in to defend this show. Its got really high ratings as well which is surprising to me. They won’t learn to fix huge mistakes like these if everyone gives them praise for bad writing
What I hated about Jinx's death is that it basically made her entire existence as a character pointless. What exactly did she achieve with her life? The decisions made with her character in S2 invalidated everything she had achieved in S1. The entirety of S2, we were just re-treading old ground, going through the same character beats as S1. Also, I hated how incompetent Vi and Caitlyn were. They were constantly falling for Jinx's traps. Not once did they show even an inkling of competence. During their fight with Jinx I was just laughing at how idiotic everybody was: - Vi, armed with gauntlets that break down fucking walls, wasn't even able to make an impression on scrawny little Jinx - Sevika was polite enough to grab Caitlyn with her normal arm, rather than her metal chomper arm of destruction - Caitlyn - a Legolas-level marksman who's so trigger-happy she shoots at anything vaguely Jinx-shaped - was aiming POINT BLANK at Jinx and didn't fire? Why did we have the scene with the gas where Caitlyn shot at a shadow without a moment's hesitation? I was also super pissed during the search for Vander when Vi genuinely struggled beat Jinx in a simple hand-to-hand fight - you know, the ONE thing Vi has been shown to be competent at?! So frustrating! Although, I actually liked the storyline with Ekko, Heimer and Viktor. Anyway, I'm rambling. I can write so much about how I hated S2. But judging from people's reactions, we're definitely in the minority...
Kinda disappointed in the internet. So much praise for an objectively terrible season, all anyone says to any criticism is "you didn't understand the story" or "your just mad it didn't stick to the league of legends lore". I watched arcane before even knowing what league of legends was, had no idea it was based off of a video game, but the narrative and character writing was so good in season 1 that I couldn't pick up that it was a video game adaptation. Season 2 is a convoluted mess that refuses to tell a story properly through its characters and instead focuses on distracting you from the horrible writing with brilliant animation and music just so we can reach the end of the story as fast as possible. I honestly feel so defeated, I loved season 1 and had so much hope for season 2, even bought Netflix again just so I could watch it as soon as it released, but since so many people refuse to acknowledge how terrible this season was and praise it as a masterpiece, we shouldn't be surprised when future pieces of media no longer have depth and good writing because most people chose to accept the slop presented to them.
This is a really bigoted thing to say ya know, I could basically sum up your yap session as "Internet people dumb and shallow, only we intelligent few know that this is actually shit". Your disappointment with the season is valid and that's too bad, but many people did enjoy it and there's nothing you can do to take that away from them, regardless of media literacy. Even if we are taking into account actual writing quality, it's still bold of you to assume that every single person with basic critical thinking disliked this season when it's actually quite the opposite from what I've seen and heard.
@finixmoon127 it's just an opinion, chill. Some ppl were just disappointed with the story/writing. The art was great, but any good show/movie knows how to execute pacing properly. S2 Arcane didn't, mainly bc they had too many plots for a FINAL season with JUST 9 episodes. They definitely needed more time, that's all
@@nijahcoy1899 Everyone knows that the pacing was off and that the season was rushed (it's getting redundant), however Generation Offended and OP seem to think that everything was shit, which I heavily disagree with, but I digress and that's not my point here. My point is that it's incredibly ironic that you're telling me that it's just an opinion even though OP clearly stated that it's "an *objectively* terrible season", while proceeding to insult the intelligence of millions of viewers that found it to be great.
Ekko was the character set up to be the inspirational leader. And while I could see a cult springing up around Jinx, it wouldn't be a general movement. No, they tried to give Ekko's arc to Jinx and it doesn't work.
They could have used ekko to lead jinx into being a symbol of zaun you know give pay off the the build something new thing instead of having him be missing for most of the show, it would have made their team up and him being the one to save her make more sense.
I think you do misunderstood a couple of scenes from Arcane. First, Jinx didn’t care about Zaun-that was Silco’s goal and priority. Jinx was simply a tool he manipulated, her intellect weaponized against Piltover. Was she angry at Piltover and did she want to see it burn? Yes, but not for "altruistic" reasons or out of concern for her people's desire for freedom. Her anger stemmed from deep wounds and trauma. She wanted to punish anyone who opposed her in her twisted perspective. She wasn’t a hero, nor did she aspire to be one. What Jinx truly sought was acceptance for who she was. She yearned for familial love, and when she finally received it-Silco’s love and acceptance-what remained for her? She never cared for power or politics. Her family was gone, one way or another. Everything in her life seemed to slip away because she "jinxed" it. Zaun didn’t matter to her-it was Silco’s dream and Vi’s. Everything Jinx did was for Silco, not Zaun. The scene where Jinx killed Silco is more complex. In that moment, she was affected by schizoaffective trauma. Triggered, she reacted instinctively-by shooting everything, as seen in the earlier scene with the girl with pink hair. Yet, this moment also showed the bond between Jinx and Vi. Jinx didn’t kill Vi or Caitlyn, because Vi was the last family member she had. Even when Jinx “chose” to embrace her identity as Jinx, it wasn’t entirely her decision. In killing Silco, she had once again lost a father figure-she had "jinxed" it all over again. Destroying the Piltover wasn’t her dream but Silco’s, one she had been fed - and she did what she believed, will achieve this dream. Her being mad at Vi. Jinx is still a teenager deeply affected by trauma-don’t expect her to see logic. She saw her sister, Vi, seemingly join the forces of Piltover-the same forces that killed their parents. Zaun has always been affected by toxicity. Their patron deity is a literal embodiment of fresh air, and now, "one of them" is brining gas to their home. For Jinx, it wasn’t about rationality; it was about the emotional devastation of feeling abandoned by the last person she truly cared for. Or at least, hoped for. Her plan to delete herself. Jinx just wanted to die, man. It was so painfully obvious-she wanted her sister, Vi, to be the one to end it all. She craved an escape from the madness, to leave in a dramatic, chaotic “POOF” of colors and destruction, finally free from the torment consuming her. That’s why, later, she said, “Jinx is dead.” It wasn’t about abandoning the Jinx persona-it was because people believed she truly died that day. Her mental state. Jinx’s triggers for mental crises were always tied to her sister, the guilt of killing her family, or the crushing feeling of abandonment. I’ll admit, some of her intensity and "craziness" seemed less prominent in Season 2. But it makes sense-most of the key triggers she faced were either resolved, distant, or dead. Now, she had someone under her wing-a mini-version of herself. For this person, she felt a sense of responsibility, even if it was unconventional. In a way, this new dynamic gave her a sliver of what she had always longed for: sisterhood. It was fractured and imperfect, but it mirrored the bond she had desperately missed with Vi. Jinx has become a symbol. No one truly knows what happened before the tower collapsed. Only Caitlyn and Vi could share the story, but why would the rest of Zaun trust them? Caitlyn was Piltover through and through, and Vi had spent most of her time in prison, only to later fight actively against Silco and his cause. Why should Zaun believe them? This might even explain why Jinx was elevated to almost saint-like status in Zaun’s eyes. If an enforcer from Piltover descended into Zaun, pointing fingers and claiming one of their own was a terrorist against them. To Zaun, she wasn’t a villain; she was a fighter, someone who struck back against the oppressors on their behalf. Okay, I have spent too much time for this lol.
I was looking for someone who would comment something like this. There are definitely some valid points in this video, but a lot of what I was hearing sounds like he didn’t fully understand the character of Jinx.
So she didn't care about Zaun and therefore didn't do anything to help Zaun, then why did Zaun suddenly see her as the hero when she DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING? And why did she suddenly decide to accept the hero mantle? All that after saying Jinx is dead?
@@OJorEm Jinx is a selfish person who only cares about her own problems cuz she has her own shit to deal with, like her mental problems. When the zaunites start seeing her as a hero, she initially doesn't want to do anything with it and just wants to live her life with Isha, but eventually is compelled to fight for them when she sees how much they respect and value her as part of their team, something she always wanted whether she's Jinx or Powder.
In all seriousness, thank you sir for exposing this season for the absolute bullcrap it is. S1 was one of the few animated shows I truly loved, it's bloody enraging how they butchered the characters and the story this time. The power of love bs scene in ep5 was the last straw, made me quit the show, so at least I can learn the ending through the rants too.
Glad you enjoyed it man. Yeah there is a lot of unnecessary hype around this show. I'm there with you, S1 was such a work of art that they pushed off a cliff. Yeah the show gets worse with every episode, you saved yourself some time lol.
@@Diofill37 if you guys would hold season 1 to the same standards as season 2 it would fail with episode 2. Season 1 was so beloved because folk was actively searching for deeper meanings and they found plenty. So give the show time and it will be better.
@@aetherwolf9288 Thats not why i enjoyed the show, its not about the deeper meanings its about characters and story structure. Deeper meanings are nice to have but thats not what initially gets an audience invested.
@@GenerationOffended my first contact with Arcane was Schnees analysis about a few topics (mainly Jinxes madness). What got me hooked when I watched the show was Milos and Claggoirs death and how everything in the rest of this series is a direct causality of this scene. I didn’t understood Silco, I didn’t understood Sevika and I most definitely didn’t understood Vander. Too me at least characters become interesting when they drive the story forward. In season 1 Hextech did this on every level. And in season 2 Jinxes bomb did the same thing and therefore Hextech still had a huge role in the show. And characters become good when you understand them. Arcanes characters aren’t even understandable but because I understand one of them my perspective of all them change.
@@aetherwolf9288 when you watch s2 its packed with action and looks so epic, but with some writing choices you just think "that doesnt feel right" or "huh? What was that writing decision" etc... then you go back and theorise and it makes less and less sense, shattering your perception of the show and making you realise how flawed it is - which wasnt the case for season 1
15:11 The funniest thing? They kinda put some part of Jinx character development into "Jinx fixes everything" game. In act 3 of said game she comes at Ekko place and starts preparing for upcoming battle, going through some reflection on herself through items she interacts with. It's funny how they decided to show us sesbian lex and waste time on Mel only to leave details on Jinx out of the season itself, putting them into a small game. However there isn't much too, since we still don't see how Ekko changed her mind on not jumping from ledge and how Jinx managed to rally the whole Under-city for a fight to assist Piltover
I'm so glad to read more critiques of Isha. There was a better way to push Jinx's growth and development via her reconnecting to her Powder-self (EKKO!) instead of creating a literal mute child as a Powder projection to reposition Jinx as an older sister too. Jinx relating to Vi in that way was never really the point of her arc so I don't get why they bothered with it.
Please make a video about Viktor. His arc is just terrible. In episode 6 he is literally willing to risk everything to save Vander, after a scene he kills Vander himself and then he sends him to fight his daughters.
Ill definitely will be covering his character, i totally agree with you they ruined him for no reason. Idk if it will be a whole video but he is a huge part of the problem in the last act so its something to go into for sure.
@@GenerationOffendedMy comment disappeared so here I go again: Couldn't Jayce simply tell Viktor that he was sent by him from an alternate future instead of putting a hole in his chest, causing him to turn to the herald and abandon whats left of his humanity? In act 2 Viktor was a healer and a pacificist who was slowly dying (according to Singed) yet refused to use Vander to enhance himself, instead he spent days trying to heal the man. So Jayce's attack was not only unnecessary but it actually helped create the future he feared. Viktor can read minds in fact he tried to read Jayce's mind but was interrupted so why didn't Jayce tell him what he experienced in the alternate future.
@@rust1181 Yeah i was wondering that too. Could Viktor not send himself back to meet his younger self and just tell him not to try to kill everyone? I need to watch it again, that time travel stuff really broke the plot. You're right about the telepathy, i guess the plot needed to happen so they forgot about it.
@@GenerationOffended Im fine with Alt Viktor sending Jayce instead of himself, whats annoying is why Jayce kept all that info to himself and why was he aggressive. That attack he pulled in the commune turned Viktor into a worst person. If he didnt attack him Viktor would've been fine by healing Vander and continue living in his commune till his death.
@@rust1181 It's probably implied that Viktor would eventually turn evil machine herald anyway, probably collaborating with Singed in the future to "help even more people", the only way was to kill him, or accelerate his transformation so he could reach him in his mind dimension and end it with the rune.
Btw I just checked "The last Agni Kai" OST from Avatar over the sudden. And it struck me with how beautiful it would've been if this Season was dedicated to war between Piltover and Zaun, and Jinx and Vi as well. Just imagine at the dusk both Piltover and Under-city blazing with fires, as Vi and Jinx stand on the distant ends of the same bridge with bodies all around them. It would've been such a dramatic emotional finale and actually be a good parallel to the Season 1 beginning (of course if good writing of the whole Season beforehand is provided). Violence that only breeds violence, the cycle that repeats itself and the suffering which wrong doings and misfortune brought to everyone.
What a great thought. It would even fit the color scheme of the last Agni Kai. It's disappointing Arcane couldn't match the Last Airbender. Heck even the Legend of Korra stuck the landing better than Arcane despite being riddled with numerous other problems.
@@LindyLime Yes! It could've great homage to ATLA and truly a wonderful finale to the story of two cities and two sisters. But we've got wgat we have, and they sacrificed complicated nuanced story for quirks and MCU-esque stuff... In general I'm not really a fan or the Legend of Korra, but I certainly agree with you on that one! The LOK had sometimes pretty great moments, especially in regards of psychological state of the characters. And no matter how jumpy the S1 of LOK was, the ending was quite emotional! Sadly I can't say the same on Arcane S2 finale...
The relationship between jinx and vi was the emotional core of the show, it reflected and impacted the larger conflict between piltover and zaun, and just like how that conflict was sidelined in season 2 in favor of ambessa, viktor's army of mannequins (among other antagonists) the relationship of the two sisters was also sidelined
Completely right. They just got pushed to the side and really did nothing with the main plot, Jinx and Vi had no effect on the outcome of the hextech plotline.
@@GenerationOffended I want to say jinx and vi's final moment was similar to luke vs vader in RoTJ, physically disconnected but has a relevant symbolic and emotional connection to the overall war but I can't, that was kinda reserved to viktor and jayce
Something like that would have been better. I don't get how Ekko was able to bring Jinx back from the edge instead of Vi. Something like you described would have been far better for the story instead of the half-fast mess that we got.
I'm so glad that someone is as disappointed in this season as I am. Remember when they said Arcane was supposed to be 7 seasons? Now i know why, its because there was so much stuff that needed to happen in between season 1 and the end for it to actually make sense
There's a few important notes that I want to share with you to bolster your analysis: Jinx doesn't randomly decide to have a vendetta against Vi. She gets freaked out when she sees her wearing an enforcer outfit, on patrol with an enforcer squad, and associates her with being responsible for gassing Zaun. That is an ENORMOUS betrayal. When she sees her walk into their old haunt, the demon face flashes on Vi, indicating that Jinx is associating her with the Vi that hit her and rejected her. Her interior conflict is very visible as she runs out of the joint, weeping, and screaming in frustration that Vi once again has seemingly betrayed her. This naturally propels her to fight her - and she also LITERALLY EXPLAINS ALL OF THIS OUT LOUD in her conversation with Vi before they fight. Later on, after Isha jumps on Jinx to save her from Cait, and Vi then puts herself in between Cait and Jinx, Jinx visibly reacts to Vi when she does this - which for her is enough to maintain consideration that Vi might still love her after all, which of course does happen when Vander is back in their life.
It really does feel like writers turned Jinx into likable anti-hero because twitter people loved her so much. Basically her character development in season 2 is just fan service.
Yeap true, writers really wanted to make her a goodie in this Season so they totally wrecked everything established by S1. But hey at least twitter crazy ahh fan-girls are happy. Looks like this franchise would be aimed at them in the next seasons. Which is a pity
Too many characters. Too many subplots. Too little time. Interesting plot threads abandoned because the show was running out of episodes and everything needed to be tied up ao the big bad guy could be defeated. Conflicts resolved with a wave of the hand. Absolute disregard for season 1. Almost every fight being a music video more than a choreography. And the very telepgraphed use of throwaway characters like Isha. Did Arcane just switch writing teams or something because damn...season 2 was an absolute mess. Animation was still absolutely gorgeous though. And I really really enjoyed the story and pacing of Episode 7. Lot of feel good moment underlaced with complicated implications that only the viewers know but the characters don't (even Ekko). But that is just one episode of the 9.
Too many characters isnt a real problem, problem is that no one is dying and if finally someone dies, they dies in meaningless death that dont change anything. Like look at season 1, imagine if they didnt killed all those characters in act 1, it would have same problem with 'too many characters'.
I wish Jinx and the Zaunites had attacked Piltover and won, bringing misery to everyone to the point where Vi would have to join the Enforcers to restore peace (hopefully for Zaun as well). Jinx would probably want to destroy everything, regardless of whether it hurt children or others, and Vi would eventually realize that this isn’t what she wanted when she wished to fight Piltover. She would also come to understand Vander's perspective better. Having Vi join the Enforcers-whom she hates-to kill her sister, who has been hiding and doing nothing, felt strange and forced. Plus it only lasted like, 2 episodes...
omg you're so right.. that would have been such an interesting parallel to s1. They could even have entered the warwick plot on the middle of the season if they wanted to eventually reunite the sisters. I really thought they would fight the whole season only to have to fight warwick together.
It's a great concept, unfortunately there's a growing background problem. The hextech and the arcane were already build up since season 1 with jayce and viktor. It made sense why instead of zaun fighting piltover, it's zaun and some piltover againts noxus and the arcane
@@ethantanwenjie9916 Hmm, I don't think I agree. From my perspective (with no deep knowledge of LoL lore), the Hextech and Arcane storyline didn’t seem to be heading in that direction. I thought Hextech would end up being used by both sides, thanks to Jinx, leaving Piltover with no choice but to use it as well. As for the Arcane, I had the impression it would corrupt Viktor, but after that, it could have gone in many directions. Making it a world-destroyer wasn’t the only option-it could have been hinted at for future shows if they really wanted to take that direction. The Noxus storyline should have been more focus and less invasive ? I understand Ambessa wanting to access Hextech and maybe protect Mel, but it took too much screen time to my taste. They could even have been the reason Zaun got access to more Hextech, by being greedy or something. That being said, I personally prefer character-driven stories (where the feelings and relationships of the characters are the main focus). I wish they had waited until after Arcane to switch to a more plot-driven story
I like the scene in ep 4 when she said that she is not jinx anymore. WFT???. Jinx is not an alterego like spider man that you can throw the uniform in a trash can and say that you’re done with it. Jinx is the result of all the horrible things that she passed trough and the decisions she took during her life. If she’s not jinx, who the hell is she ?????
Thank you! Yes i know, so many people act like this is some kind of natural development when shes literally mentally ill lol, you can’t just cure serious schizophrenia off screen
and they did it twice. In the finale she is at a point that she was willing to take her own life, but a little pep talk from ekko made her change her mind and fight to defend piltover. I know that this is not the mais focus of the show, but the way they write mental illness in s2 is almost childish.
3:55 Good thing you mentioned it tho! Looking at it now it looks like yet another inconsistency. Both Silco and Vander always had that agenda that they're defending the Under-city and working hard to protect everyone. Plus we must consider that Silco most likely had been occasionaly brainwashing Jinx with all these "Great Zaun" ideas for all these years after taking her in. It doesn't look like she really cares at first (the firelights attack on the ship aftermath scene), but I feel like after Silco's death she would start respecting his ideas more. And I doubt she would just sit passively watching how pilty-goons pissing on her fathers grave by destroying everything he has created. Judging by how unhinged Jinx is, she would straight away blow up a few dozens enforcers if she sees any of them destroying the memory of her father. Yet in the S2 it's like she never cared about Silco. Like dude is dead, I'm dead inside now live goes on. Which I find bullshit since she'd be the first in line to blow up or shoot down enforcers if they try to take away her fathers legacies
I agree with you, she was set up to be Silco's replacement but an even more extreme version however they just turned her into a hero. You makes really good points here, they just neutered her character so she could be the show's mascot. It seems to me that the writing staff utterly did not understand the characters or the first season of the show and just pulled a Last Jedi, to restart all of the plotlines.
This is such a refreshing take! I’m surprised this doesn’t have more views. I personally like the addition of Isha, but that’s my personal soft spot for stories about flawed characters in maternal/paternal roles. But even with my view of this story decision, I wasn’t happy with how it was handled. When Isha first dropped in on Jinx, I was afraid for the kid(Jinx literally pointed a gun at her on their first encounter) and assumed this would make for a turbulent dynamic. When this didn’t happen, I still had faith in the writers that they weren’t going to just kill Isha to move Jinx forward. I actually hoped that Isha would make a catastrophic mistake like Powder did, and that would push Jinx into some kind of development, and that they wouldn’t just take the easy way and kill her. Overall though, I agree with your takes more than any others I’ve yet to hear on YT! The problem with the season runs deeper in the bones of the story, and I’ll be checking out the other parts!
I was confused when Vi yells at Caitlyn for not being able to trust Jinx and when Jinx says to Vi "still don't get it sis, I'm always with you..." In both instances I'm thinking they haven't interacted enough to have that development. Why would Caitlyn trust Jinx when the last time she saw her, Jinx kidnapped her and killed her mom. How would Vi understand Jinx is always with her when they haven't talked about anything. They've mostly just been trying to kill each other or focused on saving Vander.
Very true! They never get the time to reconcile their relationship really. Like everything else in the story its glossed over or tossed to the side completely
How nice to hear someone who is not driven by feelings, but by thoughts to talk about this series. It seems funny that some people who are driven by feelings say things like Arcane 2 is a masterpiece, or that it was perfect, or that it was perfect even though it was rushed or that it changed their lives. Arcane is not even close to being one of the best series. These most curious statements will exist forever because talking is free and most people don't pay attention and think twice or thrice about what they say. If we reduce everything to feelings, everything would be a masterpiece or a 10/10 series.
@@jeloneq7I hate to say this but i literally forgot he existed until he appeared in the jail cell scene with Jinx. It really shows how they threw him under the bus when he should’ve been a key point in Jinx’s trauma and anguish throughout this season. Ugh, I can’t stand the writers for this
@@GenerationOffendedin at work atm so i haven't eatched the episodes yet but my pre watch idea is that: Isha acted more like jinx then jinx was. Isha was the one at the chdck point, doing the sacrifices etc. its almost like she stole a portion of jinxes character so that the bad action werent directly connected to jinx so they could change jinxed character easier
a lot of season 2 is off screen. like "USE YOUR IMAGINATION" ->> insert random scenes "USE YOUR IMAGINATION" ->>more random scenes and so on and so on. and if you call them out on it, they respond with "THIS IS ART! YOU OBVIOUSLY DONT UNDERSTAND ART. NOBODY LIKES YOU! YOUR OPINION DOESNT MATTER" ... like really? i mean it's a gorgeous drawing, but i think some of us do know art a bit, like story? story is kind of... "YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE STORY BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW OUR VISION" ... .... ok. season 2 is indeed a letdown.
I think the people who talk as if this season was garbage are exactly as delusional as the people who think this season is perfect. And the people who hate this season seem more aggressive - so much so that I’ve slowly began to take the side that this season is underrated rather than overrated.
@@subterranea9095 The answer to that question is “No.” I recommend rereading my comment to come up with an interpretation that isn’t a deliberate misunderstanding you’ve designed to aggravate me. Hint: Look up the definition of “underrated” and “overrated.” That might help discern whether I was talking about my mind changing on the quality of the show, or the state of the discourse. You got this. I believe in you.
@@calvinjohnson6242 you said that you chose "underrated" because other people were mean and not because the show was good. so that implies you don't care about the show and do care about cliques.
@@calvinjohnson6242To argue that you’re switching sides simply based on your disdain and emotions based on a show that is about complexity is a very, very ignorant take and makes you look essentially dumb. You’re arguing that you don’t like how aggressive (emotions) fans who dislike the show are but yet are using (emotions) to take a side instead of following critical thoughts. Basically letting people decipher how you view this season? Sorry, but the irony is killing me.
I agree with basically everything you said here and I've found your videos on this helpful! My only objection is with the very beginning for two reasons. I don't think it's out of character for Jinx to be aimless. She's possibly the most selfish character in season 1 post-timeskip and all of her actions are disconnected from politics except for her final attack on Piltover, and one could debate whether that was her declaring war on her oppressors or merely doing what she thought Silco wanted her to do. Also, killing Silco was not a conscious choice. I mean, I guess some people interpret that scene as her "choosing Vi", but that seems so ridiculous to me considering she was having the worst panic attack we see from her, followed by an instinctive reaction to hearing a threat nearby, which we saw her do earlier in the season as well. On top of that, that scene is a parallel to when she killed her family in childhood, a repeat of the past to solidify in her mind that she cannot be good, cannot be better than a "jinx", which would be severely undercut if killing Silco was intentional. But again, I agree with everything else. I did enjoy my first watch of this season, but there is SO much I wish was different about it, and your videos have really shown me a lot more details that I simply haven't considered because I've still barely processed the new season heheh! I'm easily entertained, but my view of the quality gap between seasons 1 and 2 gets wider every time I think about it. I think I was afraid to confront the season's flaws at first because I didn't want my enjoyment of the show ruined. I'm becoming more comfortable with it now, and honestly am finding myself still picturing season 1 as its own complete thing like it always was for me. I think I'll definitely still eat up season 2 episode 7 forever though haha!
Those are some fair points. I can see where you are coming from. You're right that its not necessarily out of character for her to not be leading a movement, however just from a structure standpoint it would have been better to have Jinx be more active in the politics of Piltover and Zaun. I know shes insane but she always had a plan that motivated her and in this season she lacks any real long term goal. Regardless of her consciously or unconsciously becoming Jinx it still lessens the weight of that decision to kill Silco when she tries to kill Vi in episode 3. You makes some good points and you have a cool interpretation of the finale. Its fun to have some discourse that isn't hostile on the show lol. So many people get there back up about this stuff.
@GenerationOffended Thank you very much! And yeah I can see what you mean too. It would be pretty cool to see Jinx with a long term goal, something she's working towards. Perhaps she could have at least formed one by Act 2 or started Act 1 with an interest in rebellion following her blowing up the Council, and then changed goals for some reason, idk. There's a bunch of possibilities and I'm sure many of them have merit! I sat down recently and wrote some stuff I thought would be neat to see from Vi in Act 1, but I haven't done the same for Jinx and it's not like a "THIS is what SHOULD have happened!" it's more just one of many ideas that I like and wrote down for fun. :3
I was so curious to see how they were going to develop Jinx in season 2, only for it to be a complete let down I related to her a lot, and I was so excited to see a well written character that showed symptoms of more stigmatized disorders (like bpd and schizophrenia) But it’s like they took all her severe symptoms and she acts relatively normal for the first half of season two… The only time she really feels mentally unwell is when she decides to kill herself, but even then it doesn’t feel like her at all. It’s a completely different struggle and her craziness is still missing Like did they think we wouldn’t notice as long as she said silly one-liners that weren’t even funny?? As long as she was written like a manic pixie dream girl??? Wasn’t the whole point to turn that troupe on its head and make a well-rounded character… They did SO well in season one with Jinx as a mentally unstable character Then they threw it all away to do one of THE MOST annoying troupes done with disordered characters “The power of love and connection fixed them” that is not how disorders work
Preach louder! The thing that personally dissapointed me the most was Jayce's and Viktor's "conflict" this season. I really wanted to see more of them and I was so ready for Viktor to turn into the machine herald. I don't play LoL but after season 1 it was kinda inevitable to not see his in game design and the basics about his lore. I feel like by making him arcane Jesus, Viktor just became too powerful in comparison to the other characters. The writers probably did it on purpose though so they could have an epic final battle and a way to bring Vander back (because the limitations and workings of the arcane in the show are so badly defined that that just works ig). It also pisses me of that all the theories about the hexcore manipulating Viktor through Sky weren't true. Like, the whole hive mind thing is bad but Viktor wouldn't have tried to take over the world if he was just left alone. Like, he genuinly wanted to help people, but then all of a sudden he's the main bad guy. And the "resolution" was just so bad. Jayce's behaviour in Episode 6 makes no sense after what we learn in Episode 9, like why tf would Jacye want to kill Viktor?! And the whole speech about accepting your imperfections kinda doesn't work either when Viktor was literally going to die from a terminal illness.
The positivity the show is receiving has all the hallmarks of what happened to GoT when it got bad in season 5. It took seasons for people to stop coping so hard. Things had to get completely out of control for the fans to turn against it. When there were people like me who jumped off when they started making up storylines in season 2.
You started hating GOT in season two? It hadn’t even reached its peak yet, in my eyes. And yes, there was a drop in quality season five, but the show was still VERY GOOD until season seven, and only got actually bad halfway through season eight. I think people think drops in quality are the same as a show being bad, and that’s just not the case. A show can drop in quality and still be valuable.
@GenerationOffended Personally I just couldn't get immersed into the show and half way I think I was just watching it to get to the ending. Zero emotion on scenes that should have had an impact. That annoying deaf girl I was glad she died cos I didn't care. Dont understand how people enjoy a show that tells you what to think rather than showing you.But you make a good point as I notice that with some friends I speak to about the show. Seems that way or they glance over it cos it "makes sense" plot wise. No character stood for anything in that season.
Yeah i was the same about the show. It felt like fanfiction rather than an actual storyline made by professionals. I just talked to a friend of mine about the show and he loved the new season. When I asked him what he thought about all the problems in the writing he just shrugged his shoulders and said not to think too deeply about it lol. I'm the same as you though and I can't see past the huge problems.
@GenerationOffended Yeah just hope this doesn't teach other writers they can get away with lazy writing as long as animation is good. We're somehow the minority from what a gather by reviews.
Yeah i think from the feedback online, they are about to learn all the wrong lessons. As long as you have an IP that has a loyal fanbase you can pump out whatever garbage you want and the fans will defend or justify it because the characters look familiar.
Jinx never planned ahead. She always lived for the now, seeking Silco's approval, to prove she wasn't "weak". Jinx never cared about liberating Zaun. That was Silco's agenda. When she fired the rocket at the council, Jinx was simply lashing out. The series began with an explosion in Piltover that set in motion everything that happened and the season ended with an explosion in Piltover. Yes, she hates the enforcers for killing her parents but she never had any ideals of leading a rebellion. After Silco, she was directionless, purposeless. Isha helped Jinx anchor herself and find something worth living for. She gave her something to focus on. I do however, have a problem with Jinx being dragged back down or worse from the death of Isha. It's treading old ground. She loses, yet another sister, only this time a little sister. It's tired and manipulative, imo. The story needed Jinx to sink even lower than she was after Silco's death for some reason and we all had to endure it. Vi saddling up with the enforcers was considered the ultimate betrayal in Jinx's eyes. This was her Silco and Vander moment and it crushed her when she was already at an all-time low. Vi spent her whole childhood hating the enforcers and was eager to fight. Jinx was now completely alone until Isha became a semi-permanent fixture.
This exactly, I was completely baffled when he started yapping about how Jinx was meant to lead the Zaun uprising, etc, like did we watch the same show here ??? The entire point of Jinx’s character is that she actively chooses not to align with anyone’s politics or ideals because she simply doesn’t gaf
Finally someone who properly watched the show. Also, saying Jinx's whole personality is to just be crazy is a character assassination by itself. She hallucinates so much in season 1 because she's constantly on edge, and in season 2 we see her hallucinate whenever she goes through stressful situations as well (like when she sees Vi in an enforcer uniform or when Isha is captured. There's also drawings on the screen when she shows up in the airship). Jinx's main issues are from deep-seated identity issues, that's why she can't fully commit to being either Powder or Jinx and shifts back and forth between them. And Jinx is not "mentally sound" after Silco's death, she's just numb. Saying Isha has the personality of a dog is downright offensive. She's a child who idolizes the woman who saved her from the street thugs. When Jinx doesn't want to commit to the Jinx identity anymore, Isha goes to the riot and does it herself, showing she has a strong fighting spirit. She was willing to shoot Vi to protect Jinx even if that put her in danger because she felt indebted to Jinx for doing the same for her. Just because she's loyal and can't speak doesn't make her comparable to a dog.
How can you say there is no reason for Jinx to dislike Vi joining up with Piltover when both characters say Piltover was responsible for killing their parents multiple times? Jinx's decision to kill Silco is clearly reflex rather than a rational decision, she is in the middle of a mental breakdown. This is also why she runs over to him, it was not intentional. Jinx is still clearly not powder in act 2, she literally says as much. Her abandoning everyone to live with Isha is the same life decision as Vander and Silco made, revolutionaries that find something they are unwilling to sacrifice for their revolution. Genuine question did you even watch the show?
Also can we talk more how they made both Vander and Silco knowing their parents since before they were born. Also the reason they were fighting and Vender trying to kill Silco was because their mother.. and he goes for revenge because Vender wrote later to Silco after that and if he could read it. ,,Ohh you drown me, but I some how escaped and managed to read the later and now I forgive you"💀
This season went really hard with the Friendship is Magic theme, even when a letter would NOT have convinced Silco Vander meant well especially after the latter tried to kill him. If anything, it'd make him angrier.
I get the feeling that the way arcane fans perceived the characters affected the writing of season 2. Jinx being the hope of Zaun, Caitlyn being a complete classist, Jinx x ekko despite making no sense, Vi being such a dumb ass, for example.
All these reviews of Arcane season 2 are really usefull. I can now see who I should absolutely not trust a review from again and who I should remember to listen to next time I consider watching something. You are one of the ones I will come back to.
Thanks man, for a second i thought you were going to diss me lol. So many people defend this show but its hard to deny how bad it has gotten. Even if you enjoy all the ideas it just happened at break neck pace, so many characters got forgotten or were re-written.
@@GenerationOffended yeah, so much stuff didnt need to be there and so much stuff was cut short that i think i could have enjoyed it if it was just managed properly, i could have looked past the writing somewhat but there is too many things compounding for me to enjoy act 3
@@euoplo1007 it ruins Mel's arc too. In all of s1 she wants to NOT be a medarda. In s2 she's like "I've been chasing the ideal of a medarda" NO YOU HAVEN'T!! To her mom she says "you're no medarda!! " why? It's all stupid
Even the scene where she rescues all of these people from captivity doesn't make sense logistically. How do these people leave the prison island? They have to use the tram, which is where Ambessa is, and Warwick, who should've killed them all on his path, but no, because we later see them in other episode unharmed. They even skip the scene where Ambessa is about to confront him. It is just plain dumb. Singed plan doesn't make any sense either. Get captured, call Warwick and then what? He gest to the prison(using a tram - lol) and then what? How does it work for Singed then? What if Ambessa dies in process(which should happen)? Lucky for him Jinx was there and he gets calm, but how could he predict that. I just I dunno it is so dumb. Plot in this show is dumb, no1 thought about anything in this season by the looks of it. There are plenty of instances like that. How Savika never asks Jinx what happened to Silco is also beyond me. Like c'mon. She can't lie, she can't even hold regular convo, especially on touchy subjects, Savika would've known something is off. I just can't with this season. I am gonna have to pretend it doesn't exist, because they are not gonna redo it.
Oh man great points here. I didn't even think about the prisoner thing thats so true, that makes zero sense. I am impressed, you are on it. Great commentary.
@@GenerationOffended The sheer incompetency of this prison is mind boggling aswell. When she comes to check-in dude just stamps some papers, doesn't even ask about badge number, nothing, even though she captured SAVIKA, right hand of Silco. INSANE. He even recognizes SAVIKA, and comments on it. The fact that it never comes out throughout the whole season that Jinx is the one killed Silco is bonkers aswell. Savika didn't even ask her if she knew what happened to him. I can't believe how dumb it is. Jinx would crack or do something stupid if she asked and she would've known at that point. + these 2 hate each other absolutely in season 1. It is mental pain to watch this unfold. Also Vi and Kaitlin know. They should just say: we had this peace deal with Silco already prepared and voted on and she killed him, they would've handed her over in seconds. Especially firelights, they hate her. She killed many of them. They clearly don't know what to do with this character in season 2, so they went and killed Vander again like 2 times and Isha, like she wasn't already traumatized to oblivion at this point. + she tries to off herself because of Isha being dead, but not Silco, the only person that loved her for what she was. INSANE!
@@jeloneq7 okay so the group takes the lift up while Warrick takes the lift down. Ambessa survived because she is she is touched by the Arcane and Warrick was not targeting her for his hunt. Also well afterwards the group walks past a knocked out pretty dead looking Ambessa. Singed plan was to call Warrick knowing the bars would save him. All he then needed to do is to wait or because he used runes to carve the wound he may have an anti rune to calm him down. And about Sevika. You really think the lady that plotted without even saying a word just to betray them would care what name she follows? The only relevant information was is he alive or dead. Who did it is irrelevant as long as Silcos dream lives.
@@aetherwolf9288 "Warwick takes the lift down" XDDDDD Now I can't get the picture out of my head of how Warwick gently operates the elevator and fiddles with the console to get to the right floor. It is getting more bizzare every second now. He also had to know what a tram is to get to that island. Wonder if he bought a ticket XD Great writing. I didn't notice that slice on his hand is a rune, that is interesting. About Sevika I dunno man, she was pretty upset that Silco was dead and if she knew they almost got everything they wanted, but Jinx Jinxed it all because she was sick in the head she would be pretty pissed I imagine. It is still far fetched for me. She said to him in season 1 when she killed that gold jaw dude, that she cares about the cause and she wouldn't betray him for him. It is hard for me to acknowledge that she sees Jinx as a successor to Silco and she can get them what they want. Pretty weird considering their relation in season 1.
I haven’t heard anything solid, some people have told me 3-4 of the key writers left after season 1 but i haven’t confirmed that yet. I can’t imagine that its the same people
I feel like most likely they were pressed by their superiours to wrap up everything in just one seasons and release the S2 asap. It also explains why this Season has Mel suddenly recieving her powers but absolutely pointless plot line. It looks like they wanted to advertise her for the game like: "Yoo lads look how cute that girl is. Download League of Legends and you can play as her fr!"
@@Kantorek17 The created of the show said that they had two seasons planned with a specific ending in mind. It just feels like they dismiss plot and character to get there. I’ve also seen other sources say that the co-creator of Riot made that decision.
Seriously, the worst part is that the art and animation team were on point! And you can see droplets of how good it could have been here and there (episode 7 was really well done, for example.)
i actually dont have a problem with Jinx not leading Zaun and instead kinda doing nothing. It fits her character: after all, Zaun was Silco's vision, not hers, and she killed Silco, the one person who was kinda her "moral" compass. It makes sense for her to wander aimlessly bc she has turned her back on Vi and murdered the one person who made her feel like she belonged somewhere. it also kinda makes sense she thinks Vi betrayed her by joining up with the enforcers. what i DO take an issue with is how she essentially just "decides" not to be crazy anymore
I don't know how so many people can enjoy this season when the writing is so objectively nonsensical compared to the first season. The writing in season 2 fails in every aspect in which season 1 succeeds. Do people just enjoy seeing the characters on screen, no matter what they're doing or why?
Well said. To answer your question, yes lol. A lot of people will justify bad writing just because it has the same skin. Most of the arguments will just say that i misinterpreted the very clear set up in the season finale. “Jinx is good no matter how broken she becomes.”
In season 1, Silco died so Jinx could live. She made her choice, Powder was dead, Jinx was all that was left. Cheapening and making irrelevant such a masterpiece of a finale is something I cannot forgive the writers for doing.
im also sick of all these people acting like jinx’s “redemption” was the only way her arc could go, like have they never heard of a negative character arc?
@@TheRoyalGherkin Yeah exactly, you can have a character go from good to bad lol. They don't need to become the hero. They did the same thing with Caitlyn where they make her a literal dictator who oppresses the people of Zaun but in the end shes just the good guy.
I remember the moment Isha was introduced... I just knew I wouldn't give a single shee-it about her. That damn character was such a waste of time and ruined Jinx completely.
Something small to mention for timebomb shippers, cait telling people Jinx killed Silco would end up making every turn on her except the firelights including Ekko if anything he would probably be one of the first trying to find her for answers, it made clear in season 1 Ekko still loves Jinx/powder so him seeing her shattered from the lost of her well everything could have started an interesting plot where he naturally helps her instead of the "character development" we got and with this, we could also introduce Isha as a firelight orphan girl who wants to help jinx and actually see her grow with Ekko seeing it for himself too instead of being a miles copy giving their dynamic and ship so much more depth and fix so many plot holes like the undercity supporting her and her being a symbol, it should have been them not just her.
Ngl as a timebomb shipper who personally loved the au episode, you really cooked with this comment. This scenario would've been so good and really could've worked. Since I really wished that Ekko was more involved with the main plot and that him and Jinx had more scenes together (that weren't deleted).
@princessnaya269 Thank you, dood honestly rewriting Arcane has just been absolutely stuck in my head cause like dood (gender neutral) there are so many chances for them to do something like that makes the plot work ToT
@@jinxedkato literally, like I'm not a writer by any means but rewriting what season 2 could've been is low-key fun. So many missed opportunities. High-key waiting for a talented fanfic writer on ao3 to do what they do best iykyk 😉
@@princessnaya269 fr frrrr honestly if I was better at writing sheesh I would be tryna get the writers who did season 2 outta business with the ideas I got xD
@@GenerationOffended Yeah I realize how this character had no character, other then to Give jinx more trauma and forced Plot about being a sister, because her being a villain who actually Followed silco wasn't in the writers Minds?? man what a waste.
If you continue this series, I'd love to see it mentioned that one of the biggest plot holes is that Jayce's crusade against Hextech led to nothing. The crystals that power the weapons still exist in the world, and Linke more or less said it will be weaponized by another family (presumably Camille's family). So he died for nothing at all. Second, despite him saying it cannot be given to the people, he uses an Arcane corrupted Mercury Hammer and that is never addressed. As for the multiverse/AU plot, Mage Viktor says 'only YOU can show me this', even though he could have shown his past selves a vision of what would happen with the Hexcore. Another issue is that Mage Viktor keeps perpetuating doomed timelines because he could not tell Jayce to be careful with the runes and as a means to keep a version of himself alive with Jayce. It sounds less and less romantic and a star-crossed lovers plot when you think about it, because in every timeline he takes away Viktor's agency and leaves him a pawn of the Arcane. It would have been so much cooler to see him bend the Hexcore to his will and make it a transformation rune of his own making. Jayce and Viktor had to end themselves to end a doomed timeline...to stop Hextech that will still be used...for a plot that could have been avoided if 1. Jayce had died or 2. Jayce had been warned about it beforehand; or 3. Jayce told Viktor at the commune what he saw. They literally ended themselves for nothing. "Oh but they had to do it to end the Anomaly" yeah and apparently Mage Viktor couldn't use that to talk to his younger selves? OK bud.
For the next video i’m going to be covering a lot of what you brought up here. I’m covering episode 7 specifically and how in hindsight none of it makes any sense as you’ve pointed out. The multiverse time travel crap breaks the story in so many ways its hard to describe. You make very similar points to what ill be talking about, the Future Viktor is going to be covered extensively. My thoughts exactly, why didn’t Viktor just talk himself out of destroying the world. Nothing would be more convincing than a future version of yourself telling you not to do something lol. Glad you’re enjoying the series, its been really fun analyzing this new season
I don't understand why so many people care if Jinx is alive or not. What's the difference anyway? Even if she's alive and got a happy ending by getting the hell out of this city on an airship, her life is still worse than DEATH. She has no goals or plans for life, all her loved ones are dead (except for Vi), and Jinx herself has made sure that everyone she loves is dying, meaning she hardly dares to get attached to anyone at all. And this horror is like a good ending for her? It's such a shit sorry for my bad english
Jinx has no motive to lead the jinxers. The only reason she blew up the council was cuz that’s what silco wanted. And btw she didn’t kill him on purpose
She would have continued attacking Enforcers and Piltover herself. She didn't need others helping her given how resourceful she is on her own (as shown in S1).
The way I interpreted the "time to kill what's left of my family" line was Jinx basically planning to commit suicide by Vi. It's still dumb and going back on her choice in s1 finale, though.
These characters simply aren't the same ones we followed in season 1. The mental gymnastics I undertook trying to make any sense of season 2's plot in relation to season 1 genuinely gave me a migraine.
@@aetherwolf9288 just watch the video bro 💀if you're really that lazy it's cus they throwed the political conflict out of the window and butchered all character for flashy fight scenes and rushed plot. They cutted out everything that made arcane good
@@freilotte the political conflict wasnt tied to Jinx or Vi. And even not with the Undercity vs Topside. It was purely Silco/Vander vs Piltover and most of Zaun followed them because they were about to change things. With Silco and Vander gone and Sevika without any competent leader to guide, the council being dead and Mel abducted there is no reason for the conflict to take center stage. Mel got abducted because of Ambessa bringing the Rose to Piltover building her character out to be the next Protagonist of her own show (something a lot of people wanted). So you still have political drama however the characters are done with that shit as they don’t want to fight. In the end all are just tired and defeated because of Jayce and Jinxes actions. And these two have no interest at all to fight anything. Jayce wants to invent and research to help people. And Jinx just wants Powder to not be hurt anymore. And Powder is hurt because of Vi. At no point any character acts out of character or make it necessary for the plot to fall back on political melodrama to develop the characters. So again I don’t get it what you all are thinking. Then to say season 1 is a masterpiece is even more confusing to me as the two seasons are mirrors to each other. So either both are bad or both are good. I believe both are good but most of you just didn’t have the time to get all the details from either season. And thats totally fine. But then to claim a show is bad seems just absurd to me.
@@aetherwolf9288 the thing is undercity vs topside is the political drama itself. I didnt mind politics being absent this season but im sorry making undercity and topside fight along each other against ambessa was some disney shii resolution. I guess it does make sense for undercity to help in this situation but for afterwards for both of them to be all good when topside was opressing undercity for so long and literally gassing their streets not long ago was kinda eh... for a conflict that was present through entire serie to be resolved so lazily wa incredibly disappointing. And despite the fact that it was more absent this season for some reason it plays bigger part in character arcs?? Like caitlyn was becoming a fascist during first episodes and it was so realitic and well paced, but in second arc she just drops it because she... saw her ex once?? whose she not long ago ditched because of her prejudice?? that's another thing that i think bringed this season down, in season 1 everyone was morally gray and like ACTUALLY morally grey and that made them interesting but in this season it's as if they tried so hard with making everyone a "good person" like jinx is another victim of that but to less extent. If they weren't going to explore caitlyn's dictator arc why include it anyways? why not focus on plot points from season 1 instead of focusing on an arc that is going to be dropped and not explored? and btw im not saying season 2 was bad, i really enjoyed arc 1 despite pacing issues, but it's painfully mediocore in comparasion to season 1 you can't expect people to not be disappointed
I think a huge problem is that, while the *emotions* of the characters were there, the setting just didn't actually feel real. The stakes/consequences didn't ultimately matter all that much. Which is a HUGE change from s1. S1 Jinx wasn't inherently motivated by helping Silco rebel against Piltover. She wanted to help Silco. Why does Silco want to establish the Nation of Zaun? Because Piltover has been oppressing them for as long as anybody can remember. Why did Vander and Silco have a falling out? Because of differences in how they felt they should respond to being oppressed. The characters' motivations are intrinsically tied up in the world that they inhabit. The setting of 'oppressed, impoverished undercity' factored into ALL of the Zaunites' decisions and motivations in S1, but in S2 it's like Zaun just... Magically became nicer once Silco was dead? But that's not really how that works, ESPECIALLY given that martial law was declared essentially immediately after his death. Zaun is a horrible place to live because Piltover oppresses it, not because Silco is some unique evil that made the undercity horrible because he's just that bad. And I think, if there's one thing that irritates me about a lot of the commentary online about this, it's that most UA-cam videos analyzing the show in a meaningful way seem to come from people that have little to no empathy for what the kind of circumstances we see in Zaun actually *do* to people. If there's one thing I liked about s2, it was the depiction of AU Jinx where she spent her time doing science instead of blowing things up. She's a sociopath, not a psychopath; Made, not born. tl;dr Arcane s1 felt alive. Arcane s2 didn't.
I was so happy when I read that they were only planning to do two seasons of Arcane, thinking that this meant they would wrap things up well rather than dragging things out for as long as there are viewers. Now I wish they'd stopped with season 1 - the second season was so disappointing, and it's a relief to see someone discussing it critically (for the life of me, I can't figure out why the internet seems to have lost their collective mind about S2).
The idea that Zaun had a whole following for Jinx prior to her rescuing them from the prison comes out of nowhere and just paints Caitlyn as a moron. She knew Jinx killed Silco. TELL THE PEOPLE OF ZAUN THAT if you want them to turn on her for you!! Tell them about the deal for independence she fucked up! yea...
Thank you for making a video about Jinx, and i agree with you. To me, she was the most disappointing character in Season 2! After having her in season one as a schizophrenic sociopath who fully embraced becoming Jinx at the end of it, to season two her saying to Caitlyn "Sorry, i didn't know your Mom was there!" Like what the actual hell!!! That alone was her character assassination. (It kind of reminds me of what the writers did to Arthur Fleck in Joker 2 actually!).... The fact that most people praise season 2 and some even call it a masterpiece when the writing is this bad, is mind boggling to me! Even if the only people who deserve the praise are the animators, cast of voice actors and sound designers for their great work, the writers and whomever came up with the idea of season two ruined what could have been another masterpiece, after season one!... What a shame!
It was my pleasure, she was one of the biggest problems in the season. You’re totally right, that whole arc was so inconsistent. I can’t believe how much they left off screen. I agree, i think the problems lie solely in the writers room. Everything else was on the standards of last season. Unfortunately, no matter how beautiful it looks, it can’t disguise how the story was ruined.
@@TheMone22 if you are so confident that you can do it better and that you know more about the characters than the writers go ahead. Lets hear your story beats and see when it becomes season 2 or a total disaster.
@@aetherwolf9288 What a lame and childish criticism to my comment! First of all, i never claimed to be a writer or that i can write a story for season 2. And second, just because i am not a writer, that doesn't mean i can't have an opinion on an art form or an entertainment. If you liked season 2 good for you, at the end of the day art is subjective. But to me and some others, season 2 was a disappointing badly written season.
You don't need to be a writer to be qualified to critique writing. Being an audience member inherently qualifies someone to judge at shows qualities. Its like me saying you need to be a coach to properly judge a sport team's performance. It just doesn't make sense.
The scene in season 1 where she gives Silco the Hextech gemstone, hugs him, and goes happy progress day with the fireworks, easily was better than every single Jinx scene in season 2. And that wasn’t even close to her best scene.
Gah! Sevika makes no sense in this season. In S1, she hates Jinx and wants her gone but after Jinx kills Silco, who appears to have been something of a father figure to Sevika too, she wants Jinx to be a leader. Jinx has no organisational skills in S1 and even ruins plans with her solo runs and crazy behaviour. Why the F%^$ would sevika, Silco's second in command, want or expect Jinx to be able to lead. She'd be much more likely to want her dead for her role in Silco's death. She'd be much more likely to organising the resistance herself, which we've seen the begining of in S1. Don't even get me started on the fact that the writers just 'switch off' Jinx's mental illness. Yeah, because that's the way it works when you hear voices and see dead people.
I really liked how they handled her mental illness in s1. You can even see the signs of it early on, too, when it came to high stress situations, but having isha be this magical schizophrenia off button was a weird choice like I get she's supposed to be a powder stand in but having a little sister doesn't make you mentally sound.
Now that I think of it, Silco survived the entirity of S1 and didn't live long enough to see how S2 turned into. Witnessed the glory and dipped before the fallout. Good for him.
I'm also planning to do a video and I was worried about it because there are so many blind fans, and to see so much praise for this is amazing. A few of my points are about Jinx also, such as the absolute horrible writing that the people of Zaun idolise her, when she literally caused the enforcers to come down and oppress Zaun... its like everyone forgot that EKKO should have been a symbol, or heck even viktor for what hes done to create a thriving community, but they literally worship Jinx for no reason...
the amount of cope that some arcane fans have is insane, ive seen people say that s1 is a 10/10 but s2 "is only an 8/10" because of it was a "bit" rushed. NO, ts was buns 2/10 stop coping arcane s2 sucks
l’m so angry at the writing of this season. Cait just switches sides like gloves. Her turning evil could have worked if it had been gradual, and if she had faced the consequences for it. Vi this season was just a supporting character for everyone else, like she lacked agency, and she was/is my favorite!!! It felt like the writers were scared to show more of her emo era because that would have made Cait’s actions worse, and shippers wouldn’t want them together. And I’m saying this as a CaitVi shipper myselfAnd that sex scene - Vi should have known Jinx was suicidal, it was obvious. Jinx was dirty, looked very bad, and she gave herself up to the Enforcers. I’m writing this as a Vi season 1 era defender. Cait KNEW that Jinx told her to finish the job. When Cait found out Jinx left cell, and then met Vi, she should have said, “Go after your sister,” because it was obvious Jinx was suicidal. Vi even saw Jinx willing to be killed during the fight in episode 3. Vi is my favorite, but they wrote her as so clueless in that scene.I just love how Vi casually bangs Cait in her sister's cell after they fought in the scene before about Jinx being in prison . It’s not like Cait didn’t traumatize Vi and commit war crimes against her home, Zaun (season 1 Vi would NOT have let that slide) :). Oh, and Jinx has to “break the cycle” because she caused Vi too much pain, but meanwhile, Cait - the ex-dictator who also hurt Vi - is fine. Vi was beaten by the Enforcers in prison,amd Cait did it with her rifle as enforcer , but that’s okay, because Vi’s mental pain doesn’t exist because of Cait. What a lesson: leave your ex-abuser to be with another ex-abuser. And if your past actions burden to loved ones , move away from your loved ones. Yeah, romance over sisterhood - what a lovely and effective story. It completely ignores the majority of season 1 and 2.If the writers wanted Jinx in other regions so badly, she should have left with Vi. It would have been a nice callback to Vi’s line about leaving Piltover in season 1. Cait and Ekko could have joined later, and the four of them could have formed a badass squad - well-written, of course.I’m happy you’re critical of this season. Season 1 was a 10/10, but season 2… I don’t know, like a 6/10 (thanks to the "wonderful finale" and the "deep writing" of Jinx and Vi, etc.). Animations can’t save awful writing, nonsense, and a bad ending
Hi, I really liked this review. I was wondering why the more popular channels were not talking about the many problems with arcane. Also when will we get a part 4 please?
I feel like you are missing the point I her character. Jinx was never polticially motivated ever, she only did everything to get the love from Silco and now he is gone she isn‘t invested in the war between the city’s, cause she never was in the first place. She did what did cause her inventions are her dedication, but she never had an evolved plan or true goal with it, she wanted to help the people around and that didn’t change rather it is her being Powder or Jinx, she just landed her powers to Silco who fostered them to the point they actually became useful. Now that he is gone and Vi is gone she doesn‘t have anyone she is doing it for and her whole path was her accepting her destructive nature. With accepting herself by the end of season one, accepting that she is that destructive force, that she is a „Jinx“ the only possible path for her to not dragging everyone who she cared about with her (or in fact kill them) is to remove herself from the situation. So when she met Isha who she cared about she did excactly that but when Isha died she got reminded again that she just is that destructive force and that she cannot walk away from so the only way out to not hurt any more people she cares about, to not loose another person is to commit suicicde (at least in her mind). I feel like this was Jinx’s whole story arch in season two and I actually feel like it was well done.
Season 1 was one of my favourite seasons of television ever, it's both disappointing and validating to watch videos like this. Her character completely changed and the declaration of "Jinx is Dead" was the moment I really got a pit in my stomach for what was to come, the disregard of everything that had come before and created her was jarring as F.
While I agree to a lot of the points you make, her stopping and crying on Vanders body is not a bad writing. As much as we know Vi never really had time to grieve after Vander. She thinks she gets him back, loses him again, has no time to grieve again, then has to fight him. I think her braking down in front of Warwick body is justified. What I think is bs is Warwick getting up again. Like we saw that all Viktors soldiers? puppets? stopped functioning after he disappeared so why does Warwick get up?
Thats fair, that didn't make sense to me either. There is no reason for him to still be alive at that point, both of his persona's had died at that point so there is no consciousness left in the body.
I actually had no issue with Jinx being idle and not trying to fill Silco's spot. Jinx was never one to care about power. She's erratic and impulsive. She does what she thinks of as a way of getting back at some people or to get validation from daddy Silco. Or prove ot herself that she can pull it off and not a complete fuck up. Once Silco's dead there's no one left to seek approval from and the fact she's a fuck up is pretty much settled. So she's aimless. All she is is a land mine people would be better off not stepping on. I also don't think she's be waging an all out war. She'd just be fucking with enforcers sporadically for the heck of it. What I don't like is that they basically removed the consequence of that life saving intervention that injected shimmer into her. Singed warned that it would make her very different. And when we see her again she's mad, and right after she uses the shimmer buff she goes nuts. The thing isn't a magic wand she can use at will. It gives her enhanced physical abilities but at the cost, at least momentary, of her sanity. In this season, all of that is gone. She's basically just turned into a low grade super-hero.
I can see your point. From a story telling perspective its just more interesting when the villain has an ultimate goal, they really could have made it anything and it would have been better than aimlessly taking care of Isha. Characters are just less interesting when they don't have a goal they are working towards. The shimmer thing is just forgotten about for some reason. You're right that clearly had a large impact on her psyche yet she just gets healed from it at the beginning of the season.
I loved season 1, and I still love it. Arcane season 1 is one of my favorite tv shows of all time. And to their credit, the animation and music in season 2 is absolutely insane. I still watch clips and listen to the tracks with my jaw on the floor at how everything looked and sounded in season 2. But as a story progressed, every episode left me more and more disappointed, and in some cases confused. And by the time I finished the show I REALLY was unimpressed with the story. It felt like the writers were more concerned at shoehorning every character to the end of their development so that players can go "omg, that's the character from the game now" instead of writing impactful stories for their characters and focusing on the natural story progression from where we left season 1. Going into the season, I will say I was a little skeptical. Years ago when they hinted at Vander coming back to life in season 2, I thought that it would be a total assassination of the character development they worked so hard on with Jinx and Violet in season 1, and in bringing him back completely disrespects how emotionally gripping Vander's death was and what it did for the story. And I really hate being right about that too. As a work of art, arcane 2 is seriously in a league of it's own, I could hang every frame on a wall and listen to the soundtrack on repeat, but I consider it a testament to how no amount of shiny paint can fix a bad script. However, so far it feels like that's not so true, as I'm incredibly surprised at the number of stellar reviews have been coming from the general public as well as critics. When I finished watching it, I expected to see a fairly healthy amount of negative or even critical reviews, and seeing it get certified fresh, and a whole host of 10/10 reviews by fairly prominent and highly critical review channels was an absolute shock to me. Thanks for taking the time to formulate everything I was feeling as the show kept going within these videos. You're presentation is absolutely hilarious as well. Thank you XD.
Well said! Yeah exactly, nothing can hide poor writing and in the end its the story thats important, not how good it looks. I love the animations and visuals but it just feels empty now. I appreciate that man, people like you have kept me going. Glad you enjoy my work, there is more to come.
@@GenerationOffended Thanks so much! I look forward to more videos. And yes, absolutely story is the heart-beat and most important aspect of a film/show.
I really didn't understand why they were worshipping Jinx, she's literally the source of ALL their problems.
Yeah it makes no sense from their perspective. The writers were telling the story from the audiences perspective because we know everything about her, in reality Jinx would be hated by everyone
Cus piltover is zaun's enemy and the enemy of their enemy is their feiend
I actually like that decision because she does bomb the simbol of oppression.
It's the fact that groups like the fireflies join her.
arcane s2 is like a really beautiful envelope with no letter inside.
😂😂😂 it's as useful as the letter that's not in it
Nailed it
That's I think the best summary I've heard of the situation
Style over substance. Even the fight scenes are bad.
@@1shot2shots3shotswas mad on first watch. Waited a few weeks before rewatching and
I enjoyed it a lot when I went in with a "this is just a long and beautiful music video and there is nothing wrong with that" mindset. I let go of my knowledge of season 1 and it felt good. I laughed more didn't need subtitles like I usually do. And so I thank everyone who worked on it coz I had a ton of fun.
Yeah I forgot did Sevika even KNOW that Jinx killed Silco?
No lol, they just left it unresolved
I think they did mention it. When Sevima was beating the crap out of Jinx, what makes her stop is Jinx admitting she killed Silco (This may be inaccurate, I don't remember that well most of the first arc)
Sivika wont care, because for her is more important that Jinx made Zaun united. That was the only thing Sivika ever wanted. Thats why she betrayed Vandor and not Silco. But Silco also lost his way, not to mention what she will do if she know that Silco didnt want to trade Jinx for nation of Zaun.
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How the fuck did Jinx make Zaun united? I mean she's not really a leader nor a figure people will follow. And knowing that she killed the guy who kept everything in check and was just a step ahead from gaining Zaun's independence would in fact piss off not only Sevika but people of Zaun too. Since Jinx is basically the reason why pilty-goons came down in the Under-city. In their search for her they make lives of people of Zaun miserable. There's no way no one would know about Jinx killing Silco. Being bitter to capture Jinx Cate 100% would use Jinx jeopordazing peace talks with Silco as a propaganda tool for people of the Under-city to sold her out
The thing writers did is just lame ass writing. Jinx is a symbol because? Because of what exactly? What does she represents?
even if she knew she would immediately forgive jinx because this whole season writing is hella bad
The worst part for me, apart from the absolutely idiotic character developpement, is how the story shifted from a super interesting conflict between two intertwined societies, to this stupid and generic marvel-like super-vilain with a robot army who wants to end human suffering and hatefulness (how original), but whose only true purpose is for the writers to get that common ennemy that serves as a reason to get both sides united for that "emotional" ending... Very disappointing writing.
Don't forget the "star crossed lovers" plot that actually sounds sinister in hindsight. Imagine constantly ending entire universes because you're too goddamn selfish to let a kid die.
The funniest thing was that zaun was given only one seat at the board for literally saving the asses of topsiders. Jeez, and people call *this* a "political art"
@@ьеььуь-к9о Yep, and that means anything Sevika does can be overruled. Great writing.
Yeah I feel like I'm watching Naruto Shippuden
@blacktigerpaw1 Acutally, nah, the weird cosmic gay shit was probably one of the only good things from this season, that masterpiece was gayer then the literal gay sex scene, but it's still dumb with this whole MCstuff
Like, I hate how Zaun really just teamed up with Piltover like it's nothing, and THEY ARE GOOD TOGETHER AT THE END?!?! We have no actual conflict or war between the two ideologies, but instead, we just get a 3rd threat and Ambessas manipulation 😭. Way to make the whole Zaun/Pilt backbone feel useless
I really wish we got more of Sevika this season. She's one of my favorite characters in the show and had a ton of story potential
Yeah they kick her out of the story after episode 4, she makes some small appearances but literally doesn’t say anything. Its weird that they spent so much time with her in the first act, only to forget about her later on
Sevika carries. One of the best characters in this series and I’ll die on that hill!
Kinda wished we had more time with Jinx Isha and Sevika bonding as this crazy trauma family.
Thank you for saying this because this was one of my biggest frustrations with season 2 that nobody, not even the more critical videos, would bring up. It’s like the writers planned to make her a villain until they saw how loved she was by the cast and fandom and tried to turn her into some kind of “So Mentally Ill and Relatable” anti-hero. She doesn’t even feel like the same person anymore.
The new season is critically acclaimed lol, it’s shocking how it’s getting all of this positive attention. I think you’re right, they didn’t want to ruin their mascot, they got afraid of making her the bad guy. “Jinx is dead” and yeah she is dead, shes a totally different character. Glad you liked the video, its become a real passion for me to discuss this show
@@GenerationOffendedI really can’t wait for your next output! These have been really enjoyable to watch. By the way, are you a YMS fan?
I 100% guarantee this was planned from the beginning. The story has always been about reconciliation between sisters, with Viktor as the main villain.
Looking back, Viktor being always planned as the main villain is the only way to explain Heimerdinger’s flashbacks.
But they didn't plan to make her a villain and she wasn't meant to be, at most she would just be a tragedy.
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I think this is a point where I'll have to disagree. Jinx wasn’t created to be a villain; in fact, it was expected from the start that she would become a fan favorite, as the writers were careful not to make her truly evil. She was crafted as a tragic character, destined to make mistakes and, in the end, possibly sacrifice herself for her sister.
Jinx is a mix of Harley Quinn and Tank Girl and was never designed to be an outright villain.
Arcane has had flaws since Season 1, and one of them, in my opinion, is the fact that the Council simply goes along with a pretty boy acting behind their backs, striking a deal with Silco, and suddenly deciding to grant Zaun independence. This feels especially odd considering Piltover has managed to suppress uprisings in the past and could easily do so again.
this season has Avengers Endgame levels of brainwashing it's audience into liking it with artificial emotions and baby yoda
You got it. They just copy and pasted the Disney handbook lol
@@GenerationOffended please shit on this season harder. You're saving my sanity.
Isha is the new Baby Yoda
Thats exactly what she is lol
Jinx made a declaration when she fired that rocket. "This is who I am"....to completely throw that out the window with absolutely no ryhme or reason immediately in S2 was absolutley horrendous.
Quite literally yeah, only to say a couple episode later "Jinx is dead" while throwing a shell at the broken rocket. The metaphor being that she put that side of herself behind yet we have had no time to process that random change lol. But i'm sureee its just us right? Apparently we just don't get IT.
@@GenerationOffended well funny enought you missed a lot of things . First jinx is a narrative she has about herself . When she first that rocket it s an act of revenge towards the people who ruined her life . Once she did it she has nothing left . No family , no friends , no goals . My expectation after season 1 was that season 2 would be about jinx having a death wish and setting up vi to kill her ... Guess what ? They did it in the first part ! I mean it was so obvious that even I and many others predicted it and yet you people claim it was out of nowhere .
@@ctg145 think about it like this:
„This is who I am and it freaking hurts“
Hear Sucker in full length and tell me what she feels at that point.
Shippers rationalizing the cartoonish wonder healing of Jinx is a sight to behold
@13kasper37 what "wonder healing " are you talking about ?
It’s like they forgot that Jink was a personality built off of years of unresolved trauma and influence from Silco. Instead, they just made Jink into a symbol and nothing else.
She has one mental breakdown in the same style as we saw in S1. It only happens when Isha is taken and it has no consequences she just shoots her record player. In S1 her breakdowns always had a consequence, like she would kill people or be erratic.
Fr if they wanted to ruin the rivial relationship between Vi and Jinx in favor of reconciliation then they should've done more with them being sisters again omg
I agree.
@@EldenRing2023 Same here.
Yeah, also agree. You got it.
lol its already hinting in season 1 someone has to die even though they are a character in the game of league of legends -----...--- like in this time line they cant push jinx to be part of the piltover and zaun and bring havoc like a copy of harlequinnn oh no no no someone has to die its just a simple rule of surival of the fittest and in this storyjinx decided to let go and they do reconcile the fu ck? jinx do realize she cant just throw away anymore the love of her sister for her even if she became like this, its so low level of writing where they would recosile like they are already hintin somebaody has to die runeterra is not your world where justice do prevail, and as a villain who is really an anti government, jinx here has to die because if she did not then its another Joker troupe character and im riot decided just decided to make her let go
I m so surprised to this day why no one talk about jinx character assasination in mainstream channels. Like they stripped her off of an ultimate serious decision which was a result of very tense emotional and painful changes she gone through, like nothing ever happened. I cant even describe the disappointment i felt once i sense no tension in her character when i first saw her in season 2 and realized the writers have dropped their balls to make jinx a serious villain despite clearly spending entire season setting her up for that role.
There’s a very clear divide. Either you thought the season was amazing and weak at certain points, while being great, or you thought it was horrible, predictably aimless and random, inconsistent bullshit. Wish the decisions that some characters make made some sense, atleast.
I have also been a bit surprised by the positivity the show has been recieving. Idk if its actual blindness to the shows flaws. Maybe so review guys just want some free skins in League of Legends lol.
I think a lot of people see LoL characters and flashy lights and just clap
Jinx never was a villain and it's hard to say there's an actual villain in season 1.
@@GenerationOffendedI need to see one good argument for a flaw in Arcane in general and 1 good argument for season 2 to be as terrible as some try it out to make.
So a quick run down as I already wrote a 5 hour perspective today and my fingers need rest:
1. How fucking naive are you guys if you think you can understand over 100 named characters at once within a few weeks of time. Season 1 was as good because we slowly discovered more and more about the character web and I bet most of them couldn’t even give a deep reason why Silco drugged the Undercity to take down Piltover.
Season 2 is season 1 mirrored so to expect to understand it at this point is stupid.
2. Most stuff people say to shit on season 2 is because their understanding from season 1 is not the same as the writers as they cleared the ambiguity. And instead of accepting this they defend their opinion as they grew to love their interpretation of the story.
Nothing in Arcane is because of chance and the fact that most of the trust people had after season 1 has disappeared after episode 2 is just sad to see and really not justified.
3. Also most of folk that doesn’t like season 2 think that season 2 is the end to all story arcs presented. And so we get a lot of false impressions like Jinx choosing death although Ekko „talked her out of it“ while this isn’t even shown. Or that the Vi-Cait scene was too long and the time could have been used to show more of Ekko or Mel.
The arc that is done is the sister arc and the process of weaponizing Hextech.
So the only story arcs that can be judged are the following:
1. Vander/Silco as in „breaking the cycle“
2. Vi/Caitlyn as in „sometimes to create something new some things are left behind“
Both of these arcs are freaking perfect down to the last second. The rest will be continued in 1-2 years.
Warwick’s inclusion is so bizarre upon rewatch because it’s so glaringly obvious he only exists as a plot device. He’s a contrived excuse to reunite Vi and Jinx for a few episodes and then his “personality” is wiped only 3-4 episodes later. They should have kept him consciously Vander for a bit to make him losing his memories actually impactful because he doesn’t feel like a character at all, more the premise of one. All in all it feels like he was only around for a blip, it makes you question what was even the point of having him? As it stands the most impactful thing he does is make Vi hesitate on the ledge so Jinx can sacrifice herself
@@oliviab4079 I agree, he doesn't seem to have much of a point. I would have liked to see him more tortured and volatile, (meaning when he's not in bloodlust mode), giving him more personality outside of "he used to be Vander." It would have also raised the stakes of Jinx and Vi's mission to help each other help him if there was that tension of not knowing when he's gonna snap and hurt somebody. Instead when he's not in 100% bloodlust mode he's a docile little puppy bizarrely used to rehash Vander's story which we already know.
The more you look at a character in this season, the more they start to feel like just a plot device. Even major characters like Vi are barely more than a plot device in this season.
I found it odd that Jinx's schizophrenia basically completely disappeared, and she acted almost entirely lucid and in-control throughout season 2. Sure, she had a depressive episode in act 3, but that's wildly different from how she was in season 1. There's really only one time (when she's told that Isha has been captured by enforcers) where her hallucinations briefly return. Other than that, she also has the conversation with "Silco" in her jail cell, but that comes off less like a hallucination and more like just an internal dialog with a memory ala when "Vander" was giving Vi advice during her Sevika fight in season 1.
Season 1 Jinx was an avatar of chaos who was literally incapable of living a normal life due to her severe mental illnesses; she was someone who could shoot or blow up everyone around her at any moment if she gets the wrong arbitrary trigger. Season 2 Jinx seems like a perfectly cogent person who could easily settle down at any point if she'd just accept that she's deserving of happiness.
In large part, I think it was meant to be the influence of Isha on her, but she was acting way too sane even before Isha came along.
Wish Isha just didn’t exist
@@paIegeist
Isha would be a fine addition to her character only if they provided her alongiside with good writing. And like withouth ruining Jinx herself the way the did in this Season.
However yeah if Isha wasn't around and the whole Season was focused more on Piltover vs Zaun, Jinx vs Vi + Kate thing it could've been immeasurably better
@@paIegeist I didn't have a problem with Isha. She could've been (and debatably still was) an excellent avenue for change and growth in Jinx's character, with different writing (imagine if she died to an enforcer or Caitlyn, rather than in a pointless self-sacrifice). Personally, I wish Vander/Warwick hadn't existed. That's what derailed the season. Episodes 1-4 were setting up all-out war between Zaun and Piltover and Jinx accepting the mantle of being a symbol of Zaun's revolution, but then Vander/Warwick comes along and suddenly we're off on a completely different, unrelated story, going on strolls down memory lane and playing family reunion between two characters who were literally trying to kill each other an hour earlier. We didn't need backstory for how Silco and Vander met the girls' mother, or how Vi got her name. We needed more setup for Ambessa's motivations and the final act, not to mention a smoother transition between Zaun openly revolting against Piltover and suddenly coming to Piltover's defense against Ambessa/Viktor.
Vander should've remained in season 1, and Warwick should've remained a blink-and-you'll-miss-it easter egg for League players. His addition to the season contributed nothing of importance at all, and only served to distract from the main conflict.
@@keiichi8191 I agree with you and aaltuxov. And looking back… I also don’t mind Isha… as much as I did Warwick. Today, I will rewatch everything and attempt to form a more… nuanced opinion. And let me be honest again, keiichi: I was getting fed up while watching, a bit angry at what I was seeing. This is part of the reason why I may have a bittersweet taste in my mouth about S2.
@@keiichi8191 I agree with you completely!
And funny thing is - most people are talking about "It is a good show, just a bit rushed" - not, it wasn't just rushed... I am not sure why people are so afraid of speaking the truth as it is. S2 script was bad, not just rushed.
It's not like they're afraid, it's that they're too lazy to ask questions and they're satisfied with everything this season brought. They're somewhat like Jinx: saw many pew-pew pow-pow wooosh stuff with some "plot" forced upon it, and then they went ballistic on "OMMGGG HOW GOOOD IT ISS 10/10 BEST SHOW EVER"
Writers failed at creating a good story. Yet they successfully manipulated the mass viewer into believing they had created one
@@Kantorek17 - Yes! So many people are like, 'They tried to cram too much content into it', or 'the pace needed some work on it' - as if the content itself were all good and the only problem with it was the pace... :( :(
Yeah you got it, being rushed was one of many issues
@@akashbart2765
Pisses me off too. I'm so tired of hearing all that bullcrap about «Jinx having good character development» and «There are no contradictions in the plot». And the amount of fucking Arcane theories that started to appear in my recommendations makes me feel like I'm looking upon some crazy ahh FNAF fandom 💀 I mean I wouldn't be surprised if Arcane story would turn out to be as messed up as the said franchise story in the future
Well tbf when it comes to plot and character development rushing can make it not work, which when you had spent more time the development would have been there. And with more time you would prob do some other things differently to plug up holes too. So to me it is like the hugest issue. They had to start with Jinx where they did at beginning s2 otherwise they would never make to the end they wanted, it was pretty truncated on many plot lines. They easily can make this season into 2 or three seasons with proper development. If they had they could have started with jinx as the villain in s2 and then show through events how she might start to change afterwards. But as it was it was sooooo condensed they just gloss over a lot of time changes.
I have SOOOOOOO many complaints for s2 im so glad to not see another mindless glazing video
There is still plenty to rant about for the next videos. Its almost too much haha. I'm right there with you.
The glazing is insane
S2 shouldve only focused on pilt/zaun conflict with vi/jinx while an additional S3 is about arcane/noxus/black rose
More seasons were definitely necessary, they could have fleshed out so many more of their ideas you’re right
Surprised nobody has talked about how cheap and badly written her"death" scene was.
They made a point in showing how Warwick's consciousness got deleted by Singed and Viktor, so there is ZERO reason for the creature to wake up after dying when Viktor's army got Phantom Menaced.
Both sisters deserved a goodbye scene, not an MCU ish final fight, specially when it's a fakeout
I also found it so bizarre that they used Wasteland again for that scene, when last time we heard it Jinx was at her lowest point about to off herself, presented in a way obvious to the viewer that what she was doing wasn’t the answer. Now they play it again when she’s supposed to be sacrificing herself heroically? Like what is the take away supposed to be? That she shouldn’t be doing this either? Or she gets her wish to die after all good for her?
@@my2randomcents let's not forget that jinx's friend isha blew herself up... because apparently jinx's gun is a suicide bomb now instead of a gun... and she didn't really care. nobody did. they didn't act like human beings in this season. nobody reacted logically to things, let alone showed true emotion. just a lot of glitz and glamor. oh this is supposed to be sad, right? booooo!
@@subterranea9095 Dude the fuck mean you talking about nobody acted emotionally to things my ass Caitlyn became a literal dictator due to her anger towards Jinx and her resentment of her own failures for not killing Jinx when she had the chance. Vi when went through a cloud of emotion with Vander coming back and dying again and trying to save him over and over again in the hopes of getting back her dad. Jinx when on a depressive spiral only for her to gain a life line in Isha for all that to be taken away in an instant after her sacrifice causing Jinx to try to kill herself Multiple times with Ekko talking her out of it. Like seriously y’all just hating for the sake of hating aren’t you because clearly you were not watching the show.
This is one of the most overrated seasons I’ve ever seen in any show. The amount of people who obsess over this horribly written season is so frustrating. The fight scenes & animation in this season is great no doubt, but the writing is inexcusably bad.
You're spot on, to quote Christine "You can't polish a turd."
@@GenerationOffended lol smh
@@Kyle72396 what did you exactly found badly written.
Just say the biggest plot hole or mistake you think you see and I can give you my perspective on it
@@aetherwolf9288 Well I don’t want to write an overly massive paragraph about season 2, but in short, I pretty much agree with everything GenerationOffended has said about this season. Some of my bigger frustrations with s2 is how much they’ve just rushed everything. Like Warwick’s death, Isha’s death, Jinx’s (supposed) sacrifice, & so on, which is understandable when you only have 9 episodes in your seasons, but 9 episodes is just not enough. Tv shows, especially tv shows like Arcane, need a lot more episodes than just 9. & it definitely doesn’t help that this show is now over. Season 1 managed to still be a good season with only 9 episodes, but with everything that was going on in season 2, it definitely needed more episodes, especially when this season is suppose to be the last.
I have other big issues with this season, like Jinx suddenly having a redemption arc when she should’ve just remained as the main antagonist, & maybe then (maybe) she could have a redemption arc later on in the series, & that this season just completely drops the Zaun vs Piltover plot, for a completely different one that should’ve been its own season (GenerationOffended mentions these issues in his videos), but yeah.
@@Kyle72396I second this. I have to add on for me I was expecting s2 to be about Zaun/Piltover’s class oppression like in s1. But it went from that to the plot being all over the place, it feels like the writers couldn’t pick which plot to do. I think s2 should’ve deleted a lot of things/plot lines too. Like Vander/Warwick, the Ambessa plot line, Mel and the black rose and some of Viktor and Jayce’s scenes. I feel like no/little time was given to Jinx and Vi’s arcs compared to s1 and for me I think that was the most important part of the show. Also I think Jayce and Viktors arcs were good but they took up too much time.
Your videos are a breath of fresh air, I feel like I've been sniffing crazy glue sometimes with how effusive the praise has been for this season. It's definitely super flawed.
Thank you, yeah some people are really digging their heels in to defend this show. Its got really high ratings as well which is surprising to me. They won’t learn to fix huge mistakes like these if everyone gives them praise for bad writing
What I hated about Jinx's death is that it basically made her entire existence as a character pointless. What exactly did she achieve with her life? The decisions made with her character in S2 invalidated everything she had achieved in S1. The entirety of S2, we were just re-treading old ground, going through the same character beats as S1.
Also, I hated how incompetent Vi and Caitlyn were. They were constantly falling for Jinx's traps. Not once did they show even an inkling of competence. During their fight with Jinx I was just laughing at how idiotic everybody was:
- Vi, armed with gauntlets that break down fucking walls, wasn't even able to make an impression on scrawny little Jinx
- Sevika was polite enough to grab Caitlyn with her normal arm, rather than her metal chomper arm of destruction
- Caitlyn - a Legolas-level marksman who's so trigger-happy she shoots at anything vaguely Jinx-shaped - was aiming POINT BLANK at Jinx and didn't fire? Why did we have the scene with the gas where Caitlyn shot at a shadow without a moment's hesitation?
I was also super pissed during the search for Vander when Vi genuinely struggled beat Jinx in a simple hand-to-hand fight - you know, the ONE thing Vi has been shown to be competent at?!
So frustrating! Although, I actually liked the storyline with Ekko, Heimer and Viktor.
Anyway, I'm rambling. I can write so much about how I hated S2. But judging from people's reactions, we're definitely in the minority...
She's not deadddddddd
She aint dead u hobo
Yeah yall in the minority cause hating on arcane is lowkey ass
@@Wsghuzz Season 2 is good for it's animation, art, and music, the only thing we hate is the writing lol
@thechadcruzaider7864 the story is balanced
Kinda disappointed in the internet. So much praise for an objectively terrible season, all anyone says to any criticism is "you didn't understand the story" or "your just mad it didn't stick to the league of legends lore". I watched arcane before even knowing what league of legends was, had no idea it was based off of a video game, but the narrative and character writing was so good in season 1 that I couldn't pick up that it was a video game adaptation. Season 2 is a convoluted mess that refuses to tell a story properly through its characters and instead focuses on distracting you from the horrible writing with brilliant animation and music just so we can reach the end of the story as fast as possible. I honestly feel so defeated, I loved season 1 and had so much hope for season 2, even bought Netflix again just so I could watch it as soon as it released, but since so many people refuse to acknowledge how terrible this season was and praise it as a masterpiece, we shouldn't be surprised when future pieces of media no longer have depth and good writing because most people chose to accept the slop presented to them.
This is a really bigoted thing to say ya know, I could basically sum up your yap session as "Internet people dumb and shallow, only we intelligent few know that this is actually shit". Your disappointment with the season is valid and that's too bad, but many people did enjoy it and there's nothing you can do to take that away from them, regardless of media literacy. Even if we are taking into account actual writing quality, it's still bold of you to assume that every single person with basic critical thinking disliked this season when it's actually quite the opposite from what I've seen and heard.
@finixmoon127 it's just an opinion, chill. Some ppl were just disappointed with the story/writing. The art was great, but any good show/movie knows how to execute pacing properly. S2 Arcane didn't, mainly bc they had too many plots for a FINAL season with JUST 9 episodes. They definitely needed more time, that's all
The fanbase is just coping. They will starts to accept it with time.
@@nijahcoy1899 Everyone knows that the pacing was off and that the season was rushed (it's getting redundant), however Generation Offended and OP seem to think that everything was shit, which I heavily disagree with, but I digress and that's not my point here. My point is that it's incredibly ironic that you're telling me that it's just an opinion even though OP clearly stated that it's "an *objectively* terrible season", while proceeding to insult the intelligence of millions of viewers that found it to be great.
Bro just learned about opinions
Act 1 of season 2 should have been its own season honestly.
They absolutely needed more time to tell all these stories
Ekko was the character set up to be the inspirational leader. And while I could see a cult springing up around Jinx, it wouldn't be a general movement. No, they tried to give Ekko's arc to Jinx and it doesn't work.
They could have used ekko to lead jinx into being a symbol of zaun you know give pay off the the build something new thing instead of having him be missing for most of the show, it would have made their team up and him being the one to save her make more sense.
I think you do misunderstood a couple of scenes from Arcane.
First, Jinx didn’t care about Zaun-that was Silco’s goal and priority. Jinx was simply a tool he manipulated, her intellect weaponized against Piltover. Was she angry at Piltover and did she want to see it burn? Yes, but not for "altruistic" reasons or out of concern for her people's desire for freedom. Her anger stemmed from deep wounds and trauma. She wanted to punish anyone who opposed her in her twisted perspective. She wasn’t a hero, nor did she aspire to be one.
What Jinx truly sought was acceptance for who she was. She yearned for familial love, and when she finally received it-Silco’s love and acceptance-what remained for her? She never cared for power or politics. Her family was gone, one way or another. Everything in her life seemed to slip away because she "jinxed" it. Zaun didn’t matter to her-it was Silco’s dream and Vi’s. Everything Jinx did was for Silco, not Zaun.
The scene where Jinx killed Silco is more complex. In that moment, she was affected by schizoaffective trauma. Triggered, she reacted instinctively-by shooting everything, as seen in the earlier scene with the girl with pink hair. Yet, this moment also showed the bond between Jinx and Vi. Jinx didn’t kill Vi or Caitlyn, because Vi was the last family member she had.
Even when Jinx “chose” to embrace her identity as Jinx, it wasn’t entirely her decision. In killing Silco, she had once again lost a father figure-she had "jinxed" it all over again. Destroying the Piltover wasn’t her dream but Silco’s, one she had been fed - and she did what she believed, will achieve this dream.
Her being mad at Vi.
Jinx is still a teenager deeply affected by trauma-don’t expect her to see logic. She saw her sister, Vi, seemingly join the forces of Piltover-the same forces that killed their parents. Zaun has always been affected by toxicity. Their patron deity is a literal embodiment of fresh air, and now, "one of them" is brining gas to their home.
For Jinx, it wasn’t about rationality; it was about the emotional devastation of feeling abandoned by the last person she truly cared for. Or at least, hoped for.
Her plan to delete herself.
Jinx just wanted to die, man. It was so painfully obvious-she wanted her sister, Vi, to be the one to end it all. She craved an escape from the madness, to leave in a dramatic, chaotic “POOF” of colors and destruction, finally free from the torment consuming her. That’s why, later, she said, “Jinx is dead.” It wasn’t about abandoning the Jinx persona-it was because people believed she truly died that day.
Her mental state.
Jinx’s triggers for mental crises were always tied to her sister, the guilt of killing her family, or the crushing feeling of abandonment. I’ll admit, some of her intensity and "craziness" seemed less prominent in Season 2. But it makes sense-most of the key triggers she faced were either resolved, distant, or dead.
Now, she had someone under her wing-a mini-version of herself. For this person, she felt a sense of responsibility, even if it was unconventional. In a way, this new dynamic gave her a sliver of what she had always longed for: sisterhood. It was fractured and imperfect, but it mirrored the bond she had desperately missed with Vi.
Jinx has become a symbol.
No one truly knows what happened before the tower collapsed. Only Caitlyn and Vi could share the story, but why would the rest of Zaun trust them? Caitlyn was Piltover through and through, and Vi had spent most of her time in prison, only to later fight actively against Silco and his cause. Why should Zaun believe them?
This might even explain why Jinx was elevated to almost saint-like status in Zaun’s eyes. If an enforcer from Piltover descended into Zaun, pointing fingers and claiming one of their own was a terrorist against them. To Zaun, she wasn’t a villain; she was a fighter, someone who struck back against the oppressors on their behalf.
Okay, I have spent too much time for this lol.
This is what I was thinking this entire vid lol
I was looking for someone who would comment something like this. There are definitely some valid points in this video, but a lot of what I was hearing sounds like he didn’t fully understand the character of Jinx.
don't bother it's always the same thing with these channels, at one point it becomes redundant
So she didn't care about Zaun and therefore didn't do anything to help Zaun, then why did Zaun suddenly see her as the hero when she DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING? And why did she suddenly decide to accept the hero mantle? All that after saying Jinx is dead?
@@OJorEm Jinx is a selfish person who only cares about her own problems cuz she has her own shit to deal with, like her mental problems. When the zaunites start seeing her as a hero, she initially doesn't want to do anything with it and just wants to live her life with Isha, but eventually is compelled to fight for them when she sees how much they respect and value her as part of their team, something she always wanted whether she's Jinx or Powder.
In all seriousness, thank you sir for exposing this season for the absolute bullcrap it is. S1 was one of the few animated shows I truly loved, it's bloody enraging how they butchered the characters and the story this time.
The power of love bs scene in ep5 was the last straw, made me quit the show, so at least I can learn the ending through the rants too.
Glad you enjoyed it man. Yeah there is a lot of unnecessary hype around this show. I'm there with you, S1 was such a work of art that they pushed off a cliff.
Yeah the show gets worse with every episode, you saved yourself some time lol.
@@Diofill37 if you guys would hold season 1 to the same standards as season 2 it would fail with episode 2. Season 1 was so beloved because folk was actively searching for deeper meanings and they found plenty.
So give the show time and it will be better.
@@aetherwolf9288 Thats not why i enjoyed the show, its not about the deeper meanings its about characters and story structure. Deeper meanings are nice to have but thats not what initially gets an audience invested.
@@GenerationOffended my first contact with Arcane was Schnees analysis about a few topics (mainly Jinxes madness). What got me hooked when I watched the show was Milos and Claggoirs death and how everything in the rest of this series is a direct causality of this scene.
I didn’t understood Silco, I didn’t understood Sevika and I most definitely didn’t understood Vander.
Too me at least characters become interesting when they drive the story forward. In season 1 Hextech did this on every level. And in season 2 Jinxes bomb did the same thing and therefore Hextech still had a huge role in the show.
And characters become good when you understand them. Arcanes characters aren’t even understandable but because I understand one of them my perspective of all them change.
@@aetherwolf9288 when you watch s2 its packed with action and looks so epic, but with some writing choices you just think "that doesnt feel right" or "huh? What was that writing decision" etc... then you go back and theorise and it makes less and less sense, shattering your perception of the show and making you realise how flawed it is - which wasnt the case for season 1
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The funniest thing? They kinda put some part of Jinx character development into "Jinx fixes everything" game. In act 3 of said game she comes at Ekko place and starts preparing for upcoming battle, going through some reflection on herself through items she interacts with. It's funny how they decided to show us sesbian lex and waste time on Mel only to leave details on Jinx out of the season itself, putting them into a small game. However there isn't much too, since we still don't see how Ekko changed her mind on not jumping from ledge and how Jinx managed to rally the whole Under-city for a fight to assist Piltover
Silco's death and the investigation surrounding it should've been a focal point. But it's forgotten in a music video montage
I'm so glad to read more critiques of Isha. There was a better way to push Jinx's growth and development via her reconnecting to her Powder-self (EKKO!) instead of creating a literal mute child as a Powder projection to reposition Jinx as an older sister too. Jinx relating to Vi in that way was never really the point of her arc so I don't get why they bothered with it.
Yeah they just made Isha to justify Jinx becoming the good guy for some reason.
Please make a video about Viktor. His arc is just terrible. In episode 6 he is literally willing to risk everything to save Vander, after a scene he kills Vander himself and then he sends him to fight his daughters.
Ill definitely will be covering his character, i totally agree with you they ruined him for no reason. Idk if it will be a whole video but he is a huge part of the problem in the last act so its something to go into for sure.
@@GenerationOffendedMy comment disappeared so here I go again:
Couldn't Jayce simply tell Viktor that he was sent by him from an alternate future instead of putting a hole in his chest, causing him to turn to the herald and abandon whats left of his humanity?
In act 2 Viktor was a healer and a pacificist who was slowly dying (according to Singed) yet refused to use Vander to enhance himself, instead he spent days trying to heal the man.
So Jayce's attack was not only unnecessary but it actually helped create the future he feared.
Viktor can read minds in fact he tried to read Jayce's mind but was interrupted so why didn't Jayce tell him what he experienced in the alternate future.
@@rust1181 Yeah i was wondering that too. Could Viktor not send himself back to meet his younger self and just tell him not to try to kill everyone? I need to watch it again, that time travel stuff really broke the plot.
You're right about the telepathy, i guess the plot needed to happen so they forgot about it.
@@GenerationOffended Im fine with Alt Viktor sending Jayce instead of himself, whats annoying is why Jayce kept all that info to himself and why was he aggressive.
That attack he pulled in the commune turned Viktor into a worst person. If he didnt attack him Viktor would've been fine by healing Vander and continue living in his commune till his death.
@@rust1181 It's probably implied that Viktor would eventually turn evil machine herald anyway, probably collaborating with Singed in the future to "help even more people", the only way was to kill him, or accelerate his transformation so he could reach him in his mind dimension and end it with the rune.
Btw I just checked "The last Agni Kai" OST from Avatar over the sudden. And it struck me with how beautiful it would've been if this Season was dedicated to war between Piltover and Zaun, and Jinx and Vi as well. Just imagine at the dusk both Piltover and Under-city blazing with fires, as Vi and Jinx stand on the distant ends of the same bridge with bodies all around them. It would've been such a dramatic emotional finale and actually be a good parallel to the Season 1 beginning (of course if good writing of the whole Season beforehand is provided). Violence that only breeds violence, the cycle that repeats itself and the suffering which wrong doings and misfortune brought to everyone.
Thats a much better idea than what we got in the show. Wish we got something like that instead of whatever the finale was. Nice job
What a great thought. It would even fit the color scheme of the last Agni Kai. It's disappointing Arcane couldn't match the Last Airbender. Heck even the Legend of Korra stuck the landing better than Arcane despite being riddled with numerous other problems.
@@LindyLime
Yes! It could've great homage to ATLA and truly a wonderful finale to the story of two cities and two sisters. But we've got wgat we have, and they sacrificed complicated nuanced story for quirks and MCU-esque stuff...
In general I'm not really a fan or the Legend of Korra, but I certainly agree with you on that one! The LOK had sometimes pretty great moments, especially in regards of psychological state of the characters.
And no matter how jumpy the S1 of LOK was, the ending was quite emotional! Sadly I can't say the same on Arcane S2 finale...
The relationship between jinx and vi was the emotional core of the show, it reflected and impacted the larger conflict between piltover and zaun, and just like how that conflict was sidelined in season 2 in favor of ambessa, viktor's army of mannequins (among other antagonists) the relationship of the two sisters was also sidelined
Completely right. They just got pushed to the side and really did nothing with the main plot, Jinx and Vi had no effect on the outcome of the hextech plotline.
@@GenerationOffended
I want to say jinx and vi's final moment was similar to luke vs vader in RoTJ, physically disconnected but has a relevant symbolic and emotional connection to the overall war but I can't, that was kinda reserved to viktor and jayce
Something like that would have been better. I don't get how Ekko was able to bring Jinx back from the edge instead of Vi. Something like you described would have been far better for the story instead of the half-fast mess that we got.
I'm so glad that someone is as disappointed in this season as I am. Remember when they said Arcane was supposed to be 7 seasons? Now i know why, its because there was so much stuff that needed to happen in between season 1 and the end for it to actually make sense
So true i know! They had a whole series of ideas packed into one season.
There's a few important notes that I want to share with you to bolster your analysis:
Jinx doesn't randomly decide to have a vendetta against Vi. She gets freaked out when she sees her wearing an enforcer outfit, on patrol with an enforcer squad, and associates her with being responsible for gassing Zaun. That is an ENORMOUS betrayal.
When she sees her walk into their old haunt, the demon face flashes on Vi, indicating that Jinx is associating her with the Vi that hit her and rejected her. Her interior conflict is very visible as she runs out of the joint, weeping, and screaming in frustration that Vi once again has seemingly betrayed her. This naturally propels her to fight her - and she also LITERALLY EXPLAINS ALL OF THIS OUT LOUD in her conversation with Vi before they fight.
Later on, after Isha jumps on Jinx to save her from Cait, and Vi then puts herself in between Cait and Jinx, Jinx visibly reacts to Vi when she does this - which for her is enough to maintain consideration that Vi might still love her after all, which of course does happen when Vander is back in their life.
It really does feel like writers turned Jinx into likable anti-hero because twitter people loved her so much. Basically her character development in season 2 is just fan service.
I agree, i think they got too obsessed with her character since she became the IP’s mascot. They wanted to go back and change everything about her
Yeap true, writers really wanted to make her a goodie in this Season so they totally wrecked everything established by S1. But hey at least twitter crazy ahh fan-girls are happy. Looks like this franchise would be aimed at them in the next seasons. Which is a pity
Too many characters. Too many subplots. Too little time. Interesting plot threads abandoned because the show was running out of episodes and everything needed to be tied up ao the big bad guy could be defeated. Conflicts resolved with a wave of the hand. Absolute disregard for season 1. Almost every fight being a music video more than a choreography. And the very telepgraphed use of throwaway characters like Isha.
Did Arcane just switch writing teams or something because damn...season 2 was an absolute mess.
Animation was still absolutely gorgeous though. And I really really enjoyed the story and pacing of Episode 7. Lot of feel good moment underlaced with complicated implications that only the viewers know but the characters don't (even Ekko). But that is just one episode of the 9.
Too many characters isnt a real problem, problem is that no one is dying and if finally someone dies, they dies in meaningless death that dont change anything.
Like look at season 1, imagine if they didnt killed all those characters in act 1, it would have same problem with 'too many characters'.
I wish Jinx and the Zaunites had attacked Piltover and won, bringing misery to everyone to the point where Vi would have to join the Enforcers to restore peace (hopefully for Zaun as well). Jinx would probably want to destroy everything, regardless of whether it hurt children or others, and Vi would eventually realize that this isn’t what she wanted when she wished to fight Piltover. She would also come to understand Vander's perspective better.
Having Vi join the Enforcers-whom she hates-to kill her sister, who has been hiding and doing nothing, felt strange and forced. Plus it only lasted like, 2 episodes...
@@petit0renard well spoken, brother
omg you're so right.. that would have been such an interesting parallel to s1. They could even have entered the warwick plot on the middle of the season if they wanted to eventually reunite the sisters. I really thought they would fight the whole season only to have to fight warwick together.
It's a great concept, unfortunately there's a growing background problem. The hextech and the arcane were already build up since season 1 with jayce and viktor. It made sense why instead of zaun fighting piltover, it's zaun and some piltover againts noxus and the arcane
Great points here, you should have been in the writers room.
@@ethantanwenjie9916 Hmm, I don't think I agree. From my perspective (with no deep knowledge of LoL lore), the Hextech and Arcane storyline didn’t seem to be heading in that direction. I thought Hextech would end up being used by both sides, thanks to Jinx, leaving Piltover with no choice but to use it as well. As for the Arcane, I had the impression it would corrupt Viktor, but after that, it could have gone in many directions. Making it a world-destroyer wasn’t the only option-it could have been hinted at for future shows if they really wanted to take that direction.
The Noxus storyline should have been more focus and less invasive ? I understand Ambessa wanting to access Hextech and maybe protect Mel, but it took too much screen time to my taste. They could even have been the reason Zaun got access to more Hextech, by being greedy or something.
That being said, I personally prefer character-driven stories (where the feelings and relationships of the characters are the main focus). I wish they had waited until after Arcane to switch to a more plot-driven story
I like the scene in ep 4 when she said that she is not jinx anymore. WFT???. Jinx is not an alterego like spider man that you can throw the uniform in a trash can and say that you’re done with it. Jinx is the result of all the horrible things that she passed trough and the decisions she took during her life. If she’s not jinx, who the hell is she ?????
Thank you! Yes i know, so many people act like this is some kind of natural development when shes literally mentally ill lol, you can’t just cure serious schizophrenia off screen
and they did it twice. In the finale she is at a point that she was willing to take her own life, but a little pep talk from ekko made her change her mind and fight to defend piltover. I know that this is not the mais focus of the show, but the way they write mental illness in s2 is almost childish.
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Good thing you mentioned it tho! Looking at it now it looks like yet another inconsistency. Both Silco and Vander always had that agenda that they're defending the Under-city and working hard to protect everyone. Plus we must consider that Silco most likely had been occasionaly brainwashing Jinx with all these "Great Zaun" ideas for all these years after taking her in. It doesn't look like she really cares at first (the firelights attack on the ship aftermath scene), but I feel like after Silco's death she would start respecting his ideas more. And I doubt she would just sit passively watching how pilty-goons pissing on her fathers grave by destroying everything he has created. Judging by how unhinged Jinx is, she would straight away blow up a few dozens enforcers if she sees any of them destroying the memory of her father.
Yet in the S2 it's like she never cared about Silco. Like dude is dead, I'm dead inside now live goes on. Which I find bullshit since she'd be the first in line to blow up or shoot down enforcers if they try to take away her fathers legacies
I agree with you, she was set up to be Silco's replacement but an even more extreme version however they just turned her into a hero. You makes really good points here, they just neutered her character so she could be the show's mascot.
It seems to me that the writing staff utterly did not understand the characters or the first season of the show and just pulled a Last Jedi, to restart all of the plotlines.
This is such a refreshing take! I’m surprised this doesn’t have more views. I personally like the addition of Isha, but that’s my personal soft spot for stories about flawed characters in maternal/paternal roles. But even with my view of this story decision, I wasn’t happy with how it was handled. When Isha first dropped in on Jinx, I was afraid for the kid(Jinx literally pointed a gun at her on their first encounter) and assumed this would make for a turbulent dynamic. When this didn’t happen, I still had faith in the writers that they weren’t going to just kill Isha to move Jinx forward.
I actually hoped that Isha would make a catastrophic mistake like Powder did, and that would push Jinx into some kind of development, and that they wouldn’t just take the easy way and kill her.
Overall though, I agree with your takes more than any others I’ve yet to hear on YT! The problem with the season runs deeper in the bones of the story, and I’ll be checking out the other parts!
I was confused when Vi yells at Caitlyn for not being able to trust Jinx and when Jinx says to Vi "still don't get it sis, I'm always with you..."
In both instances I'm thinking they haven't interacted enough to have that development. Why would Caitlyn trust Jinx when the last time she saw her, Jinx kidnapped her and killed her mom.
How would Vi understand Jinx is always with her when they haven't talked about anything. They've mostly just been trying to kill each other or focused on saving Vander.
Very true! They never get the time to reconcile their relationship really. Like everything else in the story its glossed over or tossed to the side completely
What sucks is that, even with all the flaws in it, s2 is still higher in quality than 95% of the shows being made today
It has been a rough year for tv lol. Not too much that i enjoyed besides the Penguin
How nice to hear someone who is not driven by feelings, but by thoughts to talk about this series. It seems funny that some people who are driven by feelings say things like Arcane 2 is a masterpiece, or that it was perfect, or that it was perfect even though it was rushed or that it changed their lives. Arcane is not even close to being one of the best series. These most curious statements will exist forever because talking is free and most people don't pay attention and think twice or thrice about what they say. If we reduce everything to feelings, everything would be a masterpiece or a 10/10 series.
the ending of season 1 was so masterful. season 2 just made all the choices in season 1 pointless.
Yeah they went back on everything that they had established
They even somehow pissed all over Silcos character, which is wild, because he was one of the greatest villain to ever come out in a show.
@@jeloneq7I hate to say this but i literally forgot he existed until he appeared in the jail cell scene with Jinx. It really shows how they threw him under the bus when he should’ve been a key point in Jinx’s trauma and anguish throughout this season. Ugh, I can’t stand the writers for this
She literally got chained back into being to sterotypical harily queen cliche after spending the first season being so much more then thst
Yeah really true, she lost so much complexity
If you keep making new parts, I'm all here for it. There's so much wrong with this season, it was absolute garbage.
There is more to come for sure. It feels like a never ending list of issues to cover but its been really fun discussing the show.
@@GenerationOffended I'm glad to hear ! And yes I feel the same, every time I think about it, there's a new thing bothering me! My god 😂
This is easily the best, most honest character analysis of Jinx I've seen
I think Isha distracts everyone from hwo broken the character has become
@@GenerationOffended Totally agree
@@GenerationOffendedin at work atm so i haven't eatched the episodes yet but my pre watch idea is that: Isha acted more like jinx then jinx was. Isha was the one at the chdck point, doing the sacrifices etc. its almost like she stole a portion of jinxes character so that the bad action werent directly connected to jinx so they could change jinxed character easier
a lot of season 2 is off screen. like "USE YOUR IMAGINATION" ->> insert random scenes "USE YOUR IMAGINATION" ->>more random scenes and so on and so on. and if you call them out on it, they respond with "THIS IS ART! YOU OBVIOUSLY DONT UNDERSTAND ART. NOBODY LIKES YOU! YOUR OPINION DOESNT MATTER" ... like really? i mean it's a gorgeous drawing, but i think some of us do know art a bit, like story? story is kind of... "YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE STORY BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW OUR VISION" ... .... ok. season 2 is indeed a letdown.
I think the people who talk as if this season was garbage are exactly as delusional as the people who think this season is perfect.
And the people who hate this season seem more aggressive - so much so that I’ve slowly began to take the side that this season is underrated rather than overrated.
@ so you don't care about the show and base your decisions around cliques?
@@subterranea9095 The answer to that question is “No.”
I recommend rereading my comment to come up with an interpretation that isn’t a deliberate misunderstanding you’ve designed to aggravate me.
Hint: Look up the definition of “underrated” and “overrated.” That might help discern whether I was talking about my mind changing on the quality of the show, or the state of the discourse.
You got this. I believe in you.
@@calvinjohnson6242 you said that you chose "underrated" because other people were mean and not because the show was good. so that implies you don't care about the show and do care about cliques.
@@calvinjohnson6242To argue that you’re switching sides simply based on your disdain and emotions based on a show that is about complexity is a very, very ignorant take and makes you look essentially dumb. You’re arguing that you don’t like how aggressive (emotions) fans who dislike the show are but yet are using (emotions) to take a side instead of following critical thoughts. Basically letting people decipher how you view this season? Sorry, but the irony is killing me.
I agree with basically everything you said here and I've found your videos on this helpful!
My only objection is with the very beginning for two reasons. I don't think it's out of character for Jinx to be aimless. She's possibly the most selfish character in season 1 post-timeskip and all of her actions are disconnected from politics except for her final attack on Piltover, and one could debate whether that was her declaring war on her oppressors or merely doing what she thought Silco wanted her to do. Also, killing Silco was not a conscious choice. I mean, I guess some people interpret that scene as her "choosing Vi", but that seems so ridiculous to me considering she was having the worst panic attack we see from her, followed by an instinctive reaction to hearing a threat nearby, which we saw her do earlier in the season as well. On top of that, that scene is a parallel to when she killed her family in childhood, a repeat of the past to solidify in her mind that she cannot be good, cannot be better than a "jinx", which would be severely undercut if killing Silco was intentional.
But again, I agree with everything else. I did enjoy my first watch of this season, but there is SO much I wish was different about it, and your videos have really shown me a lot more details that I simply haven't considered because I've still barely processed the new season heheh! I'm easily entertained, but my view of the quality gap between seasons 1 and 2 gets wider every time I think about it. I think I was afraid to confront the season's flaws at first because I didn't want my enjoyment of the show ruined. I'm becoming more comfortable with it now, and honestly am finding myself still picturing season 1 as its own complete thing like it always was for me. I think I'll definitely still eat up season 2 episode 7 forever though haha!
Those are some fair points. I can see where you are coming from. You're right that its not necessarily out of character for her to not be leading a movement, however just from a structure standpoint it would have been better to have Jinx be more active in the politics of Piltover and Zaun. I know shes insane but she always had a plan that motivated her and in this season she lacks any real long term goal.
Regardless of her consciously or unconsciously becoming Jinx it still lessens the weight of that decision to kill Silco when she tries to kill Vi in episode 3.
You makes some good points and you have a cool interpretation of the finale. Its fun to have some discourse that isn't hostile on the show lol. So many people get there back up about this stuff.
@GenerationOffended Thank you very much! And yeah I can see what you mean too. It would be pretty cool to see Jinx with a long term goal, something she's working towards. Perhaps she could have at least formed one by Act 2 or started Act 1 with an interest in rebellion following her blowing up the Council, and then changed goals for some reason, idk. There's a bunch of possibilities and I'm sure many of them have merit!
I sat down recently and wrote some stuff I thought would be neat to see from Vi in Act 1, but I haven't done the same for Jinx and it's not like a "THIS is what SHOULD have happened!" it's more just one of many ideas that I like and wrote down for fun. :3
I was so curious to see how they were going to develop Jinx in season 2, only for it to be a complete let down
I related to her a lot, and I was so excited to see a well written character that showed symptoms of more stigmatized disorders (like bpd and schizophrenia)
But it’s like they took all her severe symptoms and she acts relatively normal for the first half of season two…
The only time she really feels mentally unwell is when she decides to kill herself, but even then it doesn’t feel like her at all. It’s a completely different struggle and her craziness is still missing
Like did they think we wouldn’t notice as long as she said silly one-liners that weren’t even funny?? As long as she was written like a manic pixie dream girl??? Wasn’t the whole point to turn that troupe on its head and make a well-rounded character…
They did SO well in season one with Jinx as a mentally unstable character
Then they threw it all away to do one of THE MOST annoying troupes done with disordered characters
“The power of love and connection fixed them” that is not how disorders work
I miss all the hallucinations and visions Jinx had in season one. We hardly see them in season two
Lol apparently you can just cure mental health problems over night
Preach louder!
The thing that personally dissapointed me the most was Jayce's and Viktor's "conflict" this season. I really wanted to see more of them and I was so ready for Viktor to turn into the machine herald. I don't play LoL but after season 1 it was kinda inevitable to not see his in game design and the basics about his lore. I feel like by making him arcane Jesus, Viktor just became too powerful in comparison to the other characters. The writers probably did it on purpose though so they could have an epic final battle and a way to bring Vander back (because the limitations and workings of the arcane in the show are so badly defined that that just works ig). It also pisses me of that all the theories about the hexcore manipulating Viktor through Sky weren't true. Like, the whole hive mind thing is bad but Viktor wouldn't have tried to take over the world if he was just left alone. Like, he genuinly wanted to help people, but then all of a sudden he's the main bad guy. And the "resolution" was just so bad. Jayce's behaviour in Episode 6 makes no sense after what we learn in Episode 9, like why tf would Jacye want to kill Viktor?! And the whole speech about accepting your imperfections kinda doesn't work either when Viktor was literally going to die from a terminal illness.
From the tv show with one of the best written characters to season two.
How can the same team be behind these two seasons?
I heard its a different team, I can’t believe that the same writers created this season.
@@GenerationOffended The writing team in S2 got cut down to Alex, Christian, and Overton due to the pandemic, sadly.
The positivity the show is receiving has all the hallmarks of what happened to GoT when it got bad in season 5. It took seasons for people to stop coping so hard. Things had to get completely out of control for the fans to turn against it. When there were people like me who jumped off when they started making up storylines in season 2.
You started hating GOT in season two? It hadn’t even reached its peak yet, in my eyes.
And yes, there was a drop in quality season five, but the show was still VERY GOOD until season seven, and only got actually bad halfway through season eight.
I think people think drops in quality are the same as a show being bad, and that’s just not the case. A show can drop in quality and still be valuable.
Why does the show have so much positive feedback while it's rattled with flaws with basically every character ?
I feel you, i think a lot of people don’t care about that stuff, or they just ignore the flaws for some reason.
@GenerationOffended Personally I just couldn't get immersed into the show and half way I think I was just watching it to get to the ending. Zero emotion on scenes that should have had an impact. That annoying deaf girl I was glad she died cos I didn't care. Dont understand how people enjoy a show that tells you what to think rather than showing you.But you make a good point as I notice that with some friends I speak to about the show. Seems that way or they glance over it cos it "makes sense" plot wise. No character stood for anything in that season.
Yeah i was the same about the show. It felt like fanfiction rather than an actual storyline made by professionals. I just talked to a friend of mine about the show and he loved the new season. When I asked him what he thought about all the problems in the writing he just shrugged his shoulders and said not to think too deeply about it lol. I'm the same as you though and I can't see past the huge problems.
@GenerationOffended Yeah just hope this doesn't teach other writers they can get away with lazy writing as long as animation is good. We're somehow the minority from what a gather by reviews.
Yeah i think from the feedback online, they are about to learn all the wrong lessons. As long as you have an IP that has a loyal fanbase you can pump out whatever garbage you want and the fans will defend or justify it because the characters look familiar.
Jinx never planned ahead. She always lived for the now, seeking Silco's approval, to prove she wasn't "weak". Jinx never cared about liberating Zaun. That was Silco's agenda. When she fired the rocket at the council, Jinx was simply lashing out. The series began with an explosion in Piltover that set in motion everything that happened and the season ended with an explosion in Piltover.
Yes, she hates the enforcers for killing her parents but she never had any ideals of leading a rebellion. After Silco, she was directionless, purposeless. Isha helped Jinx anchor herself and find something worth living for. She gave her something to focus on. I do however, have a problem with Jinx being dragged back down or worse from the death of Isha. It's treading old ground. She loses, yet another sister, only this time a little sister. It's tired and manipulative, imo. The story needed Jinx to sink even lower than she was after Silco's death for some reason and we all had to endure it.
Vi saddling up with the enforcers was considered the ultimate betrayal in Jinx's eyes. This was her Silco and Vander moment and it crushed her when she was already at an all-time low. Vi spent her whole childhood hating the enforcers and was eager to fight. Jinx was now completely alone until Isha became a semi-permanent fixture.
This exactly, I was completely baffled when he started yapping about how Jinx was meant to lead the Zaun uprising, etc, like did we watch the same show here ??? The entire point of Jinx’s character is that she actively chooses not to align with anyone’s politics or ideals because she simply doesn’t gaf
@@finixmoon127people watch the show with their eyes and ears closed just to hate. Either that or zero comprehension skills.
Finally someone who properly watched the show.
Also, saying Jinx's whole personality is to just be crazy is a character assassination by itself. She hallucinates so much in season 1 because she's constantly on edge, and in season 2 we see her hallucinate whenever she goes through stressful situations as well (like when she sees Vi in an enforcer uniform or when Isha is captured. There's also drawings on the screen when she shows up in the airship). Jinx's main issues are from deep-seated identity issues, that's why she can't fully commit to being either Powder or Jinx and shifts back and forth between them. And Jinx is not "mentally sound" after Silco's death, she's just numb.
Saying Isha has the personality of a dog is downright offensive. She's a child who idolizes the woman who saved her from the street thugs. When Jinx doesn't want to commit to the Jinx identity anymore, Isha goes to the riot and does it herself, showing she has a strong fighting spirit. She was willing to shoot Vi to protect Jinx even if that put her in danger because she felt indebted to Jinx for doing the same for her. Just because she's loyal and can't speak doesn't make her comparable to a dog.
@@may_ryann sometimes people watch shows just to hate
How can you say there is no reason for Jinx to dislike Vi joining up with Piltover when both characters say Piltover was responsible for killing their parents multiple times?
Jinx's decision to kill Silco is clearly reflex rather than a rational decision, she is in the middle of a mental breakdown. This is also why she runs over to him, it was not intentional.
Jinx is still clearly not powder in act 2, she literally says as much. Her abandoning everyone to live with Isha is the same life decision as Vander and Silco made, revolutionaries that find something they are unwilling to sacrifice for their revolution.
Genuine question did you even watch the show?
Also can we talk more how they made both Vander and Silco knowing their parents since before they were born. Also the reason they were fighting and Vender trying to kill Silco was because their mother.. and he goes for revenge because Vender wrote later to Silco after that and if he could read it. ,,Ohh you drown me, but I some how escaped and managed to read the later and now I forgive you"💀
This season went really hard with the Friendship is Magic theme, even when a letter would NOT have convinced Silco Vander meant well especially after the latter tried to kill him. If anything, it'd make him angrier.
I get the feeling that the way arcane fans perceived the characters affected the writing of season 2. Jinx being the hope of Zaun, Caitlyn being a complete classist, Jinx x ekko despite making no sense, Vi being such a dumb ass, for example.
All these reviews of Arcane season 2 are really usefull. I can now see who I should absolutely not trust a review from again and who I should remember to listen to next time I consider watching something. You are one of the ones I will come back to.
Thanks man, for a second i thought you were going to diss me lol. So many people defend this show but its hard to deny how bad it has gotten. Even if you enjoy all the ideas it just happened at break neck pace, so many characters got forgotten or were re-written.
jynx could have been such a cool villain, but no she had to be redeemed for some reason
Yeah instead we got Ambessa who was the most mediocre replacement for Silco
@@GenerationOffended Ambessa also had such a disapointing end, dysney ahh yOu ArE tHe wOlF
Yeah that had no impact, there was no payoff with her and Mel, she just says that lol
@@GenerationOffended yeah, so much stuff didnt need to be there and so much stuff was cut short that i think i could have enjoyed it if it was just managed properly, i could have looked past the writing somewhat but there is too many things compounding for me to enjoy act 3
@@euoplo1007 it ruins Mel's arc too. In all of s1 she wants to NOT be a medarda. In s2 she's like "I've been chasing the ideal of a medarda" NO YOU HAVEN'T!! To her mom she says "you're no medarda!! " why? It's all stupid
Even the scene where she rescues all of these people from captivity doesn't make sense logistically. How do these people leave the prison island? They have to use the tram, which is where Ambessa is, and Warwick, who should've killed them all on his path, but no, because we later see them in other episode unharmed. They even skip the scene where Ambessa is about to confront him. It is just plain dumb. Singed plan doesn't make any sense either. Get captured, call Warwick and then what? He gest to the prison(using a tram - lol) and then what? How does it work for Singed then? What if Ambessa dies in process(which should happen)? Lucky for him Jinx was there and he gets calm, but how could he predict that. I just I dunno it is so dumb. Plot in this show is dumb, no1 thought about anything in this season by the looks of it. There are plenty of instances like that. How Savika never asks Jinx what happened to Silco is also beyond me. Like c'mon. She can't lie, she can't even hold regular convo, especially on touchy subjects, Savika would've known something is off. I just can't with this season. I am gonna have to pretend it doesn't exist, because they are not gonna redo it.
Oh man great points here. I didn't even think about the prisoner thing thats so true, that makes zero sense.
I am impressed, you are on it. Great commentary.
@@GenerationOffended The sheer incompetency of this prison is mind boggling aswell. When she comes to check-in dude just stamps some papers, doesn't even ask about badge number, nothing, even though she captured SAVIKA, right hand of Silco. INSANE. He even recognizes SAVIKA, and comments on it.
The fact that it never comes out throughout the whole season that Jinx is the one killed Silco is bonkers aswell. Savika didn't even ask her if she knew what happened to him. I can't believe how dumb it is. Jinx would crack or do something stupid if she asked and she would've known at that point. + these 2 hate each other absolutely in season 1. It is mental pain to watch this unfold. Also Vi and Kaitlin know. They should just say: we had this peace deal with Silco already prepared and voted on and she killed him, they would've handed her over in seconds. Especially firelights, they hate her. She killed many of them. They clearly don't know what to do with this character in season 2, so they went and killed Vander again like 2 times and Isha, like she wasn't already traumatized to oblivion at this point. + she tries to off herself because of Isha being dead, but not Silco, the only person that loved her for what she was. INSANE!
@@jeloneq7 okay so the group takes the lift up while Warrick takes the lift down. Ambessa survived because she is she is touched by the Arcane and Warrick was not targeting her for his hunt. Also well afterwards the group walks past a knocked out pretty dead looking Ambessa.
Singed plan was to call Warrick knowing the bars would save him. All he then needed to do is to wait or because he used runes to carve the wound he may have an anti rune to calm him down.
And about Sevika. You really think the lady that plotted without even saying a word just to betray them would care what name she follows? The only relevant information was is he alive or dead. Who did it is irrelevant as long as Silcos dream lives.
@@aetherwolf9288 "Warwick takes the lift down" XDDDDD Now I can't get the picture out of my head of how Warwick gently operates the elevator and fiddles with the console to get to the right floor. It is getting more bizzare every second now. He also had to know what a tram is to get to that island. Wonder if he bought a ticket XD Great writing.
I didn't notice that slice on his hand is a rune, that is interesting.
About Sevika I dunno man, she was pretty upset that Silco was dead and if she knew they almost got everything they wanted, but Jinx Jinxed it all because she was sick in the head she would be pretty pissed I imagine. It is still far fetched for me. She said to him in season 1 when she killed that gold jaw dude, that she cares about the cause and she wouldn't betray him for him. It is hard for me to acknowledge that she sees Jinx as a successor to Silco and she can get them what they want. Pretty weird considering their relation in season 1.
How did this show drop so much in quality from Season 1? Did the people who knew how to write get fired or something?
I've been wondering the exact same thing. It just has to be a new team of writers, right?
I haven’t heard anything solid, some people have told me 3-4 of the key writers left after season 1 but i haven’t confirmed that yet. I can’t imagine that its the same people
I feel like most likely they were pressed by their superiours to wrap up everything in just one seasons and release the S2 asap. It also explains why this Season has Mel suddenly recieving her powers but absolutely pointless plot line. It looks like they wanted to advertise her for the game like: "Yoo lads look how cute that girl is. Download League of Legends and you can play as her fr!"
@@Kantorek17 The created of the show said that they had two seasons planned with a specific ending in mind. It just feels like they dismiss plot and character to get there.
I’ve also seen other sources say that the co-creator of Riot made that decision.
Seriously, the worst part is that the art and animation team were on point! And you can see droplets of how good it could have been here and there (episode 7 was really well done, for example.)
i actually dont have a problem with Jinx not leading Zaun and instead kinda doing nothing. It fits her character: after all, Zaun was Silco's vision, not hers, and she killed Silco, the one person who was kinda her "moral" compass. It makes sense for her to wander aimlessly bc she has turned her back on Vi and murdered the one person who made her feel like she belonged somewhere.
it also kinda makes sense she thinks Vi betrayed her by joining up with the enforcers.
what i DO take an issue with is how she essentially just "decides" not to be crazy anymore
I don't know how so many people can enjoy this season when the writing is so objectively nonsensical compared to the first season. The writing in season 2 fails in every aspect in which season 1 succeeds. Do people just enjoy seeing the characters on screen, no matter what they're doing or why?
Well said. To answer your question, yes lol. A lot of people will justify bad writing just because it has the same skin. Most of the arguments will just say that i misinterpreted the very clear set up in the season finale. “Jinx is good no matter how broken she becomes.”
In season 1, Silco died so Jinx could live. She made her choice, Powder was dead, Jinx was all that was left.
Cheapening and making irrelevant such a masterpiece of a finale is something I cannot forgive the writers for doing.
How true. Sad thing is that they butchered all of the characters one way or another, not one was spared.
glad to see there's some people who agree with me. too many of my friends were like "oh but jinx and Iisha are so cuuuuute! all is forgiven!"
Thanks for speaking up, this season is a big disappointment
Glad i’m not the only one who didn’t enjoy it, biggest letdown show this year which is saying a lot
Thank god someone is talking about this. They turned an interesting and unique character into a bland cutout
Biggest letdown of the season in my opinion. She was such a great character.
im also sick of all these people acting like jinx’s “redemption” was the only way her arc could go, like have they never heard of a negative character arc?
@@TheRoyalGherkin Yeah exactly, you can have a character go from good to bad lol. They don't need to become the hero. They did the same thing with Caitlyn where they make her a literal dictator who oppresses the people of Zaun but in the end shes just the good guy.
I remember the moment Isha was introduced... I just knew I wouldn't give a single shee-it about her. That damn character was such a waste of time and ruined Jinx completely.
Facts
More hate on Arcane is never a bad thing
Lol its definitely not going to get any love from me.
Something small to mention for timebomb shippers, cait telling people Jinx killed Silco would end up making every turn on her except the firelights including Ekko if anything he would probably be one of the first trying to find her for answers, it made clear in season 1 Ekko still loves Jinx/powder so him seeing her shattered from the lost of her well everything could have started an interesting plot where he naturally helps her instead of the "character development" we got and with this, we could also introduce Isha as a firelight orphan girl who wants to help jinx and actually see her grow with Ekko seeing it for himself too instead of being a miles copy giving their dynamic and ship so much more depth and fix so many plot holes like the undercity supporting her and her being a symbol, it should have been them not just her.
Ngl as a timebomb shipper who personally loved the au episode, you really cooked with this comment. This scenario would've been so good and really could've worked. Since I really wished that Ekko was more involved with the main plot and that him and Jinx had more scenes together (that weren't deleted).
@princessnaya269 Thank you, dood honestly rewriting Arcane has just been absolutely stuck in my head cause like dood (gender neutral) there are so many chances for them to do something like that makes the plot work ToT
@@jinxedkato literally, like I'm not a writer by any means but rewriting what season 2 could've been is low-key fun. So many missed opportunities. High-key waiting for a talented fanfic writer on ao3 to do what they do best iykyk 😉
@@princessnaya269 fr frrrr honestly if I was better at writing sheesh I would be tryna get the writers who did season 2 outta business with the ideas I got xD
@@jinxedkato lmaoooo not you clocking the writers pls- you're too funny 😂 😂
The little sister character of jinx
Feels like baby yoda, anybody
agree??
100% thats exactly what she is, they went full disney with this season
@@GenerationOffended
Yeah I realize how this character
had no character, other then to
Give jinx more trauma and forced
Plot about being a sister, because
her being a villain who actually
Followed silco wasn't in the writers
Minds?? man what a waste.
She would have made for the perfect main antagonist for this season but they decided to make her some cheap mascot instead
If you continue this series, I'd love to see it mentioned that one of the biggest plot holes is that Jayce's crusade against Hextech led to nothing. The crystals that power the weapons still exist in the world, and Linke more or less said it will be weaponized by another family (presumably Camille's family). So he died for nothing at all. Second, despite him saying it cannot be given to the people, he uses an Arcane corrupted Mercury Hammer and that is never addressed. As for the multiverse/AU plot, Mage Viktor says 'only YOU can show me this', even though he could have shown his past selves a vision of what would happen with the Hexcore. Another issue is that Mage Viktor keeps perpetuating doomed timelines because he could not tell Jayce to be careful with the runes and as a means to keep a version of himself alive with Jayce. It sounds less and less romantic and a star-crossed lovers plot when you think about it, because in every timeline he takes away Viktor's agency and leaves him a pawn of the Arcane. It would have been so much cooler to see him bend the Hexcore to his will and make it a transformation rune of his own making.
Jayce and Viktor had to end themselves to end a doomed timeline...to stop Hextech that will still be used...for a plot that could have been avoided if 1. Jayce had died or 2. Jayce had been warned about it beforehand; or 3. Jayce told Viktor at the commune what he saw. They literally ended themselves for nothing. "Oh but they had to do it to end the Anomaly" yeah and apparently Mage Viktor couldn't use that to talk to his younger selves? OK bud.
For the next video i’m going to be covering a lot of what you brought up here. I’m covering episode 7 specifically and how in hindsight none of it makes any sense as you’ve pointed out. The multiverse time travel crap breaks the story in so many ways its hard to describe. You make very similar points to what ill be talking about, the Future Viktor is going to be covered extensively. My thoughts exactly, why didn’t Viktor just talk himself out of destroying the world. Nothing would be more convincing than a future version of yourself telling you not to do something lol.
Glad you’re enjoying the series, its been really fun analyzing this new season
I don't understand why so many people care if Jinx is alive or not. What's the difference anyway? Even if she's alive and got a happy ending by getting the hell out of this city on an airship, her life is still worse than DEATH. She has no goals or plans for life, all her loved ones are dead (except for Vi), and Jinx herself has made sure that everyone she loves is dying, meaning she hardly dares to get attached to anyone at all. And this horror is like a good ending for her? It's such a shit
sorry for my bad english
Jinx has no motive to lead the jinxers. The only reason she blew up the council was cuz that’s what silco wanted. And btw she didn’t kill him on purpose
She would have continued attacking Enforcers and Piltover herself. She didn't need others helping her given how resourceful she is on her own (as shown in S1).
The way I interpreted the "time to kill what's left of my family" line was Jinx basically planning to commit suicide by Vi. It's still dumb and going back on her choice in s1 finale, though.
These characters simply aren't the same ones we followed in season 1. The mental gymnastics I undertook trying to make any sense of season 2's plot in relation to season 1 genuinely gave me a migraine.
No they really aren’t. Its two completely different shows in terms of who these characters are
Thank god you're going in... S2 was 9/11 for me as a s1 fanatic
Yeah it changed everything for the worst, totally agree
@@smittywerbenjagermanjensen5410 please tell me why. I really don’t get it
@@aetherwolf9288 just watch the video bro 💀if you're really that lazy it's cus they throwed the political conflict out of the window and butchered all character for flashy fight scenes and rushed plot. They cutted out everything that made arcane good
@@freilotte the political conflict wasnt tied to Jinx or Vi.
And even not with the Undercity vs Topside.
It was purely Silco/Vander vs Piltover and most of Zaun followed them because they were about to change things.
With Silco and Vander gone and Sevika without any competent leader to guide, the council being dead and Mel abducted there is no reason for the conflict to take center stage.
Mel got abducted because of Ambessa bringing the Rose to Piltover building her character out to be the next Protagonist of her own show (something a lot of people wanted).
So you still have political drama however the characters are done with that shit as they don’t want to fight. In the end all are just tired and defeated because of Jayce and Jinxes actions. And these two have no interest at all to fight anything. Jayce wants to invent and research to help people. And Jinx just wants Powder to not be hurt anymore. And Powder is hurt because of Vi.
At no point any character acts out of character or make it necessary for the plot to fall back on political melodrama to develop the characters.
So again I don’t get it what you all are thinking.
Then to say season 1 is a masterpiece is even more confusing to me as the two seasons are mirrors to each other.
So either both are bad or both are good.
I believe both are good but most of you just didn’t have the time to get all the details from either season. And thats totally fine. But then to claim a show is bad seems just absurd to me.
@@aetherwolf9288 the thing is undercity vs topside is the political drama itself. I didnt mind politics being absent this season but im sorry making undercity and topside fight along each other against ambessa was some disney shii resolution. I guess it does make sense for undercity to help in this situation but for afterwards for both of them to be all good when topside was opressing undercity for so long and literally gassing their streets not long ago was kinda eh... for a conflict that was present through entire serie to be resolved so lazily wa incredibly disappointing. And despite the fact that it was more absent this season for some reason it plays bigger part in character arcs?? Like caitlyn was becoming a fascist during first episodes and it was so realitic and well paced, but in second arc she just drops it because she... saw her ex once?? whose she not long ago ditched because of her prejudice?? that's another thing that i think bringed this season down, in season 1 everyone was morally gray and like ACTUALLY morally grey and that made them interesting but in this season it's as if they tried so hard with making everyone a "good person" like jinx is another victim of that but to less extent. If they weren't going to explore caitlyn's dictator arc why include it anyways? why not focus on plot points from season 1 instead of focusing on an arc that is going to be dropped and not explored? and btw im not saying season 2 was bad, i really enjoyed arc 1 despite pacing issues, but it's painfully mediocore in comparasion to season 1 you can't expect people to not be disappointed
I think a huge problem is that, while the *emotions* of the characters were there, the setting just didn't actually feel real. The stakes/consequences didn't ultimately matter all that much. Which is a HUGE change from s1.
S1 Jinx wasn't inherently motivated by helping Silco rebel against Piltover. She wanted to help Silco. Why does Silco want to establish the Nation of Zaun? Because Piltover has been oppressing them for as long as anybody can remember. Why did Vander and Silco have a falling out? Because of differences in how they felt they should respond to being oppressed.
The characters' motivations are intrinsically tied up in the world that they inhabit. The setting of 'oppressed, impoverished undercity' factored into ALL of the Zaunites' decisions and motivations in S1, but in S2 it's like Zaun just... Magically became nicer once Silco was dead? But that's not really how that works, ESPECIALLY given that martial law was declared essentially immediately after his death.
Zaun is a horrible place to live because Piltover oppresses it, not because Silco is some unique evil that made the undercity horrible because he's just that bad.
And I think, if there's one thing that irritates me about a lot of the commentary online about this, it's that most UA-cam videos analyzing the show in a meaningful way seem to come from people that have little to no empathy for what the kind of circumstances we see in Zaun actually *do* to people. If there's one thing I liked about s2, it was the depiction of AU Jinx where she spent her time doing science instead of blowing things up. She's a sociopath, not a psychopath; Made, not born.
tl;dr Arcane s1 felt alive. Arcane s2 didn't.
I was so happy when I read that they were only planning to do two seasons of Arcane, thinking that this meant they would wrap things up well rather than dragging things out for as long as there are viewers. Now I wish they'd stopped with season 1 - the second season was so disappointing, and it's a relief to see someone discussing it critically (for the life of me, I can't figure out why the internet seems to have lost their collective mind about S2).
Thanks for this. Season 2 wasn't just not as good as season 1. It wasn't even just ok. It was actually bad
Yeah it was the most disappointing show this year, and thats saying a lot considering the roster.
The idea that Zaun had a whole following for Jinx prior to her rescuing them from the prison comes out of nowhere and just paints Caitlyn as a moron. She knew Jinx killed Silco. TELL THE PEOPLE OF ZAUN THAT if you want them to turn on her for you!! Tell them about the deal for independence she fucked up! yea...
Exactly lol. Cait's a terrible dictator. If she had told everyone that Jinx killed Silco then the entire city would be after her.
Empty, the perfect description
Really disappointing that its true, I wish we got the same quality of S1.
@@GenerationOffended Arcane’s writers are so obsessed with foreshadowing that they foreshadowed there own show’s downfall…”what could’ve been”😮
Viktor does say "in the pursuit of great, we failed to do good."
Isha RUINED jinx.
Thank you for making a video about Jinx, and i agree with you. To me, she was the most disappointing character in Season 2! After having her in season one as a schizophrenic sociopath who fully embraced becoming Jinx at the end of it, to season two her saying to Caitlyn "Sorry, i didn't know your Mom was there!" Like what the actual hell!!! That alone was her character assassination. (It kind of reminds me of what the writers did to Arthur Fleck in Joker 2 actually!)....
The fact that most people praise season 2 and some even call it a masterpiece when the writing is this bad, is mind boggling to me! Even if the only people who deserve the praise are the animators, cast of voice actors and sound designers for their great work, the writers and whomever came up with the idea of season two ruined what could have been another masterpiece, after season one!... What a shame!
It was my pleasure, she was one of the biggest problems in the season. You’re totally right, that whole arc was so inconsistent. I can’t believe how much they left off screen.
I agree, i think the problems lie solely in the writers room. Everything else was on the standards of last season.
Unfortunately, no matter how beautiful it looks, it can’t disguise how the story was ruined.
@@GenerationOffended Yes, totally.
@@TheMone22 if you are so confident that you can do it better and that you know more about the characters than the writers go ahead. Lets hear your story beats and see when it becomes season 2 or a total disaster.
@@aetherwolf9288 What a lame and childish criticism to my comment! First of all, i never claimed to be a writer or that i can write a story for season 2. And second, just because i am not a writer, that doesn't mean i can't have an opinion on an art form or an entertainment. If you liked season 2 good for you, at the end of the day art is subjective. But to me and some others, season 2 was a disappointing badly written season.
You don't need to be a writer to be qualified to critique writing. Being an audience member inherently qualifies someone to judge at shows qualities. Its like me saying you need to be a coach to properly judge a sport team's performance. It just doesn't make sense.
The scene in season 1 where she gives Silco the Hextech gemstone, hugs him, and goes happy progress day with the fireworks, easily was better than every single Jinx scene in season 2. And that wasn’t even close to her best scene.
Gah! Sevika makes no sense in this season. In S1, she hates Jinx and wants her gone but after Jinx kills Silco, who appears to have been something of a father figure to Sevika too, she wants Jinx to be a leader. Jinx has no organisational skills in S1 and even ruins plans with her solo runs and crazy behaviour. Why the F%^$ would sevika, Silco's second in command, want or expect Jinx to be able to lead. She'd be much more likely to want her dead for her role in Silco's death. She'd be much more likely to organising the resistance herself, which we've seen the begining of in S1.
Don't even get me started on the fact that the writers just 'switch off' Jinx's mental illness. Yeah, because that's the way it works when you hear voices and see dead people.
I really liked how they handled her mental illness in s1. You can even see the signs of it early on, too, when it came to high stress situations, but having isha be this magical schizophrenia off button was a weird choice like I get she's supposed to be a powder stand in but having a little sister doesn't make you mentally sound.
Now that I think of it, Silco survived the entirity of S1 and didn't live long enough to see how S2 turned into. Witnessed the glory and dipped before the fallout. Good for him.
I'm also planning to do a video and I was worried about it because there are so many blind fans, and to see so much praise for this is amazing. A few of my points are about Jinx also, such as the absolute horrible writing that the people of Zaun idolise her, when she literally caused the enforcers to come down and oppress Zaun... its like everyone forgot that EKKO should have been a symbol, or heck even viktor for what hes done to create a thriving community, but they literally worship Jinx for no reason...
Don’t worry about what people think, just say what you think. You’ll be fine, you have an interesting channel man keep it up!
the amount of cope that some arcane fans have is insane, ive seen people say that s1 is a 10/10 but s2 "is only an 8/10" because of it was a "bit" rushed. NO, ts was buns 2/10 stop coping arcane s2 sucks
Yeah I regret not naming the series "Why Arcane Sucks Now" as I have done in the past. Calling it a letdown at this point is an understatement.
Yall just hating for the sake of hating
So basically the entirety of Act 1 SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE ENTIRE SEASON 2 then act 2 the third season and finally act 3 season 4 if not and 5 ?
I think that would have definetly been a better idea. It was way too cramed.
l’m so angry at the writing of this season. Cait just switches sides like gloves. Her turning evil could have worked if it had been gradual, and if she had faced the consequences for it. Vi this season was just a supporting character for everyone else, like she lacked agency, and she was/is my favorite!!! It felt like the writers were scared to show more of her emo era because that would have made Cait’s actions worse, and shippers wouldn’t want them together. And I’m saying this as a CaitVi shipper myselfAnd that sex scene - Vi should have known Jinx was suicidal, it was obvious. Jinx was dirty, looked very bad, and she gave herself up to the Enforcers. I’m writing this as a Vi season 1 era defender. Cait KNEW that Jinx told her to finish the job. When Cait found out Jinx left cell, and then met Vi, she should have said, “Go after your sister,” because it was obvious Jinx was suicidal. Vi even saw Jinx willing to be killed during the fight in episode 3. Vi is my favorite, but they wrote her as so clueless in that scene.I just love how Vi casually bangs Cait in her sister's cell after they fought in the scene before about Jinx being in prison . It’s not like Cait didn’t traumatize Vi and commit war crimes against her home, Zaun (season 1 Vi would NOT have let that slide) :). Oh, and Jinx has to “break the cycle” because she caused Vi too much pain, but meanwhile, Cait - the ex-dictator who also hurt Vi - is fine. Vi was beaten by the Enforcers in prison,amd Cait did it with her rifle as enforcer , but that’s okay, because Vi’s mental pain doesn’t exist because of Cait. What a lesson: leave your ex-abuser to be with another ex-abuser. And if your past actions burden to loved ones , move away from your loved ones. Yeah, romance over sisterhood - what a lovely and effective story. It completely ignores the majority of season 1 and 2.If the writers wanted Jinx in other regions so badly, she should have left with Vi. It would have been a nice callback to Vi’s line about leaving Piltover in season 1. Cait and Ekko could have joined later, and the four of them could have formed a badass squad - well-written, of course.I’m happy you’re critical of this season. Season 1 was a 10/10, but season 2… I don’t know, like a 6/10 (thanks to the "wonderful finale" and the "deep writing" of Jinx and Vi, etc.). Animations can’t save awful writing, nonsense, and a bad ending
Hi, I really liked this review. I was wondering why the more popular channels were not talking about the many problems with arcane. Also when will we get a part 4 please?
Thanks man! Yeah its not getting too much discussion yet which has surprised me. Should be Friday next week, i usually do one a week.
I feel like you are missing the point I her character. Jinx was never polticially motivated ever, she only did everything to get the love from Silco and now he is gone she isn‘t invested in the war between the city’s, cause she never was in the first place. She did what did cause her inventions are her dedication, but she never had an evolved plan or true goal with it, she wanted to help the people around and that didn’t change rather it is her being Powder or Jinx, she just landed her powers to Silco who fostered them to the point they actually became useful.
Now that he is gone and Vi is gone she doesn‘t have anyone she is doing it for and her whole path was her accepting her destructive nature. With accepting herself by the end of season one, accepting that she is that destructive force, that she is a „Jinx“ the only possible path for her to not dragging everyone who she cared about with her (or in fact kill them) is to remove herself from the situation. So when she met Isha who she cared about she did excactly that but when Isha died she got reminded again that she just is that destructive force and that she cannot walk away from so the only way out to not hurt any more people she cares about, to not loose another person is to commit suicicde (at least in her mind). I feel like this was Jinx’s whole story arch in season two and I actually feel like it was well done.
My friend told me that isha becomes powder💀
Lmao good one
Season 1 was one of my favourite seasons of television ever, it's both disappointing and validating to watch videos like this. Her character completely changed and the declaration of "Jinx is Dead" was the moment I really got a pit in my stomach for what was to come, the disregard of everything that had come before and created her was jarring as F.
I loved season two but god they really gutted the piltover, zaun conflict T_T
Yeah that was a let down. The show really builds towards this epic conflict but it just ends up not happening and hardly gets a conclusion
bro didnt see the luigi mangione lookalike competition
While I agree to a lot of the points you make, her stopping and crying on Vanders body is not a bad writing. As much as we know Vi never really had time to grieve after Vander. She thinks she gets him back, loses him again, has no time to grieve again, then has to fight him. I think her braking down in front of Warwick body is justified. What I think is bs is Warwick getting up again. Like we saw that all Viktors soldiers? puppets? stopped functioning after he disappeared so why does Warwick get up?
Thats fair, that didn't make sense to me either. There is no reason for him to still be alive at that point, both of his persona's had died at that point so there is no consciousness left in the body.
I actually had no issue with Jinx being idle and not trying to fill Silco's spot. Jinx was never one to care about power. She's erratic and impulsive. She does what she thinks of as a way of getting back at some people or to get validation from daddy Silco. Or prove ot herself that she can pull it off and not a complete fuck up. Once Silco's dead there's no one left to seek approval from and the fact she's a fuck up is pretty much settled. So she's aimless. All she is is a land mine people would be better off not stepping on. I also don't think she's be waging an all out war. She'd just be fucking with enforcers sporadically for the heck of it.
What I don't like is that they basically removed the consequence of that life saving intervention that injected shimmer into her. Singed warned that it would make her very different. And when we see her again she's mad, and right after she uses the shimmer buff she goes nuts. The thing isn't a magic wand she can use at will. It gives her enhanced physical abilities but at the cost, at least momentary, of her sanity.
In this season, all of that is gone. She's basically just turned into a low grade super-hero.
I can see your point. From a story telling perspective its just more interesting when the villain has an ultimate goal, they really could have made it anything and it would have been better than aimlessly taking care of Isha. Characters are just less interesting when they don't have a goal they are working towards.
The shimmer thing is just forgotten about for some reason. You're right that clearly had a large impact on her psyche yet she just gets healed from it at the beginning of the season.
But she doesn't have much of the craziness anymore- she seems more like a normal person given jinx's memories than jinx.
I loved season 1, and I still love it. Arcane season 1 is one of my favorite tv shows of all time. And to their credit, the animation and music in season 2 is absolutely insane. I still watch clips and listen to the tracks with my jaw on the floor at how everything looked and sounded in season 2. But as a story progressed, every episode left me more and more disappointed, and in some cases confused. And by the time I finished the show I REALLY was unimpressed with the story. It felt like the writers were more concerned at shoehorning every character to the end of their development so that players can go "omg, that's the character from the game now" instead of writing impactful stories for their characters and focusing on the natural story progression from where we left season 1.
Going into the season, I will say I was a little skeptical. Years ago when they hinted at Vander coming back to life in season 2, I thought that it would be a total assassination of the character development they worked so hard on with Jinx and Violet in season 1, and in bringing him back completely disrespects how emotionally gripping Vander's death was and what it did for the story. And I really hate being right about that too.
As a work of art, arcane 2 is seriously in a league of it's own, I could hang every frame on a wall and listen to the soundtrack on repeat, but I consider it a testament to how no amount of shiny paint can fix a bad script. However, so far it feels like that's not so true, as I'm incredibly surprised at the number of stellar reviews have been coming from the general public as well as critics.
When I finished watching it, I expected to see a fairly healthy amount of negative or even critical reviews, and seeing it get certified fresh, and a whole host of 10/10 reviews by fairly prominent and highly critical review channels was an absolute shock to me. Thanks for taking the time to formulate everything I was feeling as the show kept going within these videos. You're presentation is absolutely hilarious as well. Thank you XD.
Well said! Yeah exactly, nothing can hide poor writing and in the end its the story thats important, not how good it looks. I love the animations and visuals but it just feels empty now.
I appreciate that man, people like you have kept me going. Glad you enjoy my work, there is more to come.
@@GenerationOffended Thanks so much! I look forward to more videos. And yes, absolutely story is the heart-beat and most important aspect of a film/show.