The City of New York stands unequivocally with our courageous students and does not condone the use of obscene, threatening or harassing language. It takes courage to speak out, especially about a topic as serious as school integration.
Yet because it’s all about harassing language doesn’t mean that it relates to the SHSAT because if all you want is a STEM school, ask the mayor to build STEM programs in schools, and to introduce this test earlier better helps everyone so why are you just discriminating a majority if you can just fix a smaller problem in K-8 in order for more diversity, so fix the neighborhoods, fix the schools, go against crime and poverty in those neighborhoods and you will see better results because all you need is a better start for a better future
How is scapgoating an objective exam help to address our problem in K-8? Diverting the attention to the real problem only make the problem worse. We all know that u only care only about ur presidential campaign and your personal/political gain, not our students.
Make it based on merit not race. Let the asians succeed if they earn it. Its so racist to condemn asians for being successful. Everyone else needs to do better.
Uh... My parents were broke. I didn’t have heat in the house. I grew up in poverty. I had no test prep. I took the exam and got in. Plus you cannot assume all the parents who sent their kids to test prep are wealthy. There are some communities where the parents would sacrifice eating in order to better their kids academic life. It’s all about priorities. So skip the vacation, the useless car lease, the new shoes, the iPhone you don’t need, or the manicure and send your kids to test prep if you feel that they won’t be able to pass without it. The conversation should be why is there such a huge disparity between the quality of middle schools in NYC. Why haven’t some kids in some schools heard of the exam? We need to prepare all students for the exam. I know plenty of classmates back in middle school who didn’t get in and they went to a so called integrated high school and became doctors and lawyers. It’s not the end of the world if you don’t get into a specialized science high school. You can still succeed! But my opinion doesn’t matter because the city will still do what they want to do.
Well that's some self-congratulatory back slapping. Timothy, what year did you take the SHSAT? What were the demographics of your elementary/middle school and community? How many people in your exact same position didn't clear the cutoffs?
What a propaganda video! Mayor de Blasio prefers to create an echo chamber instead of fostering a thoughtful debate about this important issue. Mayor de Blasio should do the hard work of fixing the "pipeline" problem, in particular (i) the lack of awareness about the SHSAT; (ii) the lack of G&T programs in public elementary and middle schools in black and brown communities; and (iii) free SHSAT test prep for those communities. Why not help black and brown students actually succeed by helping them develop the academic skills that are essential for a rigorous high school education and beyond instead of dismantling an objective test (which is merely a test of academic competence to ensure that students can handle the accelerated coursework at these specialized high schools)?
What about all of the black and brown communities that don't have access to G&T programs? I have friends who completed the city's so-called "Specialized High School Institute". All said it was a sham and all were declined admission to the school. How about you give free test prep to lower-income black and brown communities. GIVE THEM A CHANCE. The problem isn't the test, the problem is terrible K-8 education and lack of access to rigorous academic programs. By admitting the "top 7% from each school" you will be taking many kids who don't read at grade level and throw them into Stuyvesant, where they will drown and not be prepared for. Improve the middle schools, Carranza. You can keep calling out "racism" but what's racist is not even letting black and brown students show that they're capable of passing the test.
Many Asian communities made their own tutoring facilities because the city would not make it for them. Blacks and Latinos should also make their own tutoring facilities. Except they don’t. And they still complain about not getting accepted. I was in the Shsat institute called dream, and I got into Bronx high school of science. Instead of having to rely in the government for help, black and Latino communities should create their own tutoring facilities just like how Asians did it. It isn’t about race, it’s about resources. If you can have the resources, you get in.
This is so true. I knew a kid in Stuyvesant who got into the school through one of these special programs like Discovery. He really shouldn't have been in the school. I would frequently help him with his homework during my lunch break. Also, you don't need test prep to get high on the SHSAT. I studied at home and took free practice tests from online and in Manhattan every weekend. I also did a lot of practice work in my free time. You really just need dedication.
@@AllTrickss YOOOO ME TOO I WAS IN DREAM. But even then Dream got shut down bc of covid, so it's really sad even when they get the chance it's closed down.
@@AllTrickss Is it any surprise that cultures that had standardized testing back in the B.C. era have their own systems and resources on how to excel at standardized tests?
I'm guessing no one told these rich kids who go to specialized high schools that most of their peers are in fact not rich. Also, it's pretty astounding that communities that have been in NYC for generations know nothing about the test, while poor immigrant Asian communities know everything about it.
It’s frustrating how asians are getting lumped up with rich white kids, the asians work 10x harder than anyone else and their parents push them so much further
I was in a predominantly black neighborhood and NO ONE in my school mentioned SHSAT. And I took the test because I loved science and wanted to go to Stuy. I still did not know it was SHSAT and that’s so sad 😢
The problem is there are huge holes in the curriculum that all of a sudden show up on the test. No grammar what so ever is taught at a regular school at the risk of teachers being told that they would get fired if they taught it. Parents being told that it is not needed. Then the test asks the student to correct grammar.
@@arsh2489 And that’s the problem. The only program that’s available and helps students prepare for the test for free is the DREAM program. And that program is given just a few mi this before the set is given unlike the kids who have been Preparing since 4th grade. And that program only meets once a week. You already at a disadvantage if your family can’t afford to send you to an outside test prep
Decades ago, the city needed more people specialized in technology so the specialized high schools were set up. They started an uniformed exam for the entrance. Between 2002-03, after all the protests, 5 more schools were set up. Now those who still can't get in are crying to get rid of the test. It's not about race. It's about talents. Some are good for academic skills; some are more hands-on. So just let each group develop their own potential. Why does race got to do with this?
Of course these kids are representative of the entire NYC student population. More to the point, why is Lisa Mars in charge of an arts school (LaGuardia) when she is trying to make it into a replacement for Stuyvesant? But the real problem that the mayor doesn't want to address, is why do certain minorities do well on the test and others don't? Why is it that so many African American and Hispanic students attend schools that are so absolutely awful? Complaining about the test is just another way of shooting the messenger. The problem is that so many of the elementary and middle schools are so terrible. And the charter schools are worse. If Mr. de Blasio were serious about education, he'd go after Success Academy for forcing so many students who have difficulties of one sort or another to leave. If he really wanted a decent school system, he'd return to the model of the system when it was run by Dr. John J. Theobald. It certainly wasn't perfect then, but the difference between his administration and today is like night and day.
@骑士黑暗 Thanks for fighting the good fight to stop this total persecution of the "quiet, pushover" Asian community. However, we can fight for Asians without insulting Blacks. Not all Blacks are falling for the Mayor's excuse-driven victim-mentality. De Blasio wants to be seen as the savior. However, instead of REAL improvement that enables them to truly get a better understanding of math, etc., he just wants to scrap the test and use some subjective criteria allowing for watered-down grades in lower performing schools to mask the deficiency rather than solve it. The Blacks parents that I know who value education and make their kids study from a young age have kids who are doing well in school. This video is insulting and tries to give the impression that Blacks cannot do well in school. You don't need money. You just need discipline and study-ethic. Getting these books from the library is completely free. Paying attention in math class doesn't cost anything. Setting time aside after dinner to study doesn't cost anything except for electricity that would get used anyway if you watch TV or play video games.
I disagree. I want to help blacks, but it can only start if their parents stop feeding them the victim-mindset, and instead teach them that they can overcome their barriers if they start studying and taking school seriously at an earlier age. Kids can study hard at school and a couple hours at home and then go play. Work hard. Play hard.
Yeah I am just fuming at the cocky kid in ur class whenever you try to correct then they are like “stop it” “show off” “ Omg stop ur annoying” and act all goody goody to the teachers but still get a failing grade and still act the same
I went to Brooklyn Tech and HSAS @ Lehman College Nyc specialized schools care more about getting PoC students in the door, and less about what to do when they get there. The same applies to college
@@reneli5403 the referred to us by our OSIS more often than our names, new guidance counselor every year meant they never got to know your, and never cared to. I went to hsas, a much smaller specialized, and the guidance counselors only cared about the students that got good grades. They influence all the under performing students, very often poor PoCs, to transfer so as to not ruin their statistics.
I would highly recommend watching this video: ua-cam.com/video/QDh7ZrhqtX0/v-deo.html ^it discusses important factors that go into students taking the SHSAT that a lot of these anti-SHSAT supporters are not mentioning. The biggest issue about the SHSAT is not the test itself, but the accessibility that students have when it comes to understanding what the test is and the benefits of going to a specialized high school. In all seriousness, coming from a predominantly black and latino middle school, many of them had dreams and passions that didn't involve going to a specialized high school. Even when our counselors told us about the SHSAT during our high school application process many of them were disinterested mostly in part of the commute as well as the rigor that comes with going to these schools. If a middle school in a black/latino middle school was to open SHSAT classes they will need to gauge the interest of parents and students alike. The reasoning that the SHSAT should be eliminated is actually contradicted in this video because they say that the test puts stress and pressure on middle school students, yet this is just a taste of whats to come in the college application process (as the students mentioned.) Going to a competitive high school, students are definitely going to experience a ton of stress and pressure, but that is normal. The reason why the asian community, specifically Chinese community, is overrepresented in these specialized high schools is because of the culture of academic success and pressure that parents exert on their children. Chinese language newspapers like the World Journal publish high school / college specific content that is catered to the community during application season which further informs the community. There is no excuse for other communities in an age where there is free resources, articles, books that discuss the high school application process. The only point I do agree with is the idea of properly funding K-8 schools throughout the city and allocating resources in a way which can alleviate the stress in these areas of the school system. Of course diversity is important but it shouldn't be enforced by quotas, rather it should be by uplifting underprivileged communities so that they can compete with whites and asians.
I am so proud these students are speaking up. The Hecht-Calandra law is a direct attack to the success(es) of Black and Latinx students of NYC, and is what perpetuates the racial inequities of the Jim Crow era in modern-day society. The negative comments on this video are shameful, and those who wrote them should be embarrassed that they are supporting a system that is explicitly racist. This issue isn't about work ethic, or proper test practice, but rather the hows and whys of NYC being the only region in the US that uses 1 sole factor to determine entry into a public high school. The SHSAT system has allowed for the immense segregation of NYC schools, and has concentrated the wealth and resources to a select few of students. Finally students shouldn't have to put-in hours of their time to compensate for an education they didn't receive, students should not have to sacrifice their own mental well being to gain entry in a worthwhile educational institution--this should be a guarantee. Changing the enrollment process for these institutions is the first step at ensuring educational equity for ALL students. It has been 65 years since Brown V. Board was decided, and yet NYC has the most segregated school system in the nation. It's time to get it together. Periodt.
Alexander Rodriguez I suppose your solution would be treating Black and Latino students as if they were incapable of competing on a level playing field. That’s what you are advocating.
@UCFfXrKyiXWPFR71yfxsBQVAyour resort to slanders and lack of proper punctuation are the quintessential behaviors of a troll. I will not converse with you. In response to @Samuel Ashner, the 7% plan and myself are not saying that Black and Latinx students cannot play on the same playing field as their white, asian, and privileged counterparts, but rather that in a system that is primarily benefits the demographics of the communities I described above, there needs to be more sensible admissions criteria beyond the measure of one test as black and Latinx students especially have not had the support to pass such a screen due to other determinants in their education. In addition o that I have one question, isn't putting more black and brown students in specialized school acknowledging that these kids can indeed play on the same field as white and asian students? In general, one test should not be a sole factor in school admission. If students are not passing an exam (SHSAT and other) the failure should not be blamed on the student but the system they were taught in. Screens are manifestations of DOE failure. That is why the 7% plan is a good step in the right direction of integration because it acknowledges the work of all students over the course of their middle school career. I can be using my efforts elsewhere (Like actually making governmental changes), so If you have any questions I'd recommend you look on to the Teens Take Charge website. They are doing phenomenal work. I will make no further comments.
Are you saying that Black and Latino(a) students don’t have what it takes to succeed? This isn’t racist. It’s a skill issue. A lot of the students that received entry to specialized high schools are Asian, and many of us come from immigrant communities. We are not privileged here either. There are also many Asian students who haven’t made it, does this mean that the shsat is racist? No, you merely didn’t score high enough. Banning the SHSAT is taking a chance to go to a good high school away from ALL students, and is that what you want?
These children are very Intelligent, but at the same time they are just children or young adults that are very Naive to the facts, on why certain children don't get in. You can't stop other students because they were raised in a certain culture/ethic/morality of the way of thinking, if that happens you would turn a blind eye, to America's most exceptional students.... We would want to have an innovative & and exceptional future don't we? We as all americans should strive for that and instill that moral work ethic into our children. The problem is that many parents or guardians don't have this value, and that's fine, don't be upset if your child does not get into a specialized school. Regular schools success can be gained from that as well.
Is there anything that does not involve racism for NY school chancellor Carranza? What about the racial imbalance in the NBA or Olympic sprint/track events where the majority are blacks. Are the NBA and Olympics racists also? Shouldn't the NBA and the Olympics be made up of similar demographics to that of the general USA population? Has anyone asked such questions to Carranza without him accusing the person posing such a question a racist? The idea that all participants deserve a trophy for participating at high school ages will undermine the meritocracy system and striving for excellence.
@@cheezitmoreno7705 no they both lead to careers in which people pay their bills. When blacks dominate a field you don’t see Asians bitching about racism.
Thank you to the students in this video for putting themselves out there and telling their deeply personal stories to help push for this important change. Don't let the backlash in internet comments stop you from fighting for what is right. Some may disagree, but many people are with you, and your experience-based advocacy is powerful enough to change systems like this--maybe not on the first go. But keep at it. I support you!
骑士黑暗 You’ve got to stop. You’re words don’t affect us. WE WILL KEEP FIGHTING FOR EQUALITY IN EDUCATION! Currently the system is balanced in the favor of the Asian and White people and we want to make it EQUAL! So STOP YOUR FAKE NEWS!!
@@ryantonyexuma7103 How is it balanced in favor of Asians? Most Asian immigrants who apply to these schools came to this country with no money and not speaking English as a 1st language.
@骑士黑暗 The garbage coming out of your mouth is putrid. An innocent man was killed for doing nothing and you say something like that. Shame on you. The system is balanced against black and brown people and in favor of white and Asian people. We simply want to make it equal for everyone. If you can't understand that, then that's your problem. Equality is a good thing. We NEED to ensure everyone, regardless of color or race, gets equal info about the test and is able to have an equal opportunity. Giving people a chance and allowing them opportunities is what made America great and what continues to make it great.
It went okay even though in 90% sure I'm not getting in because I didnt fill out all if the math portion because the lack of time. I really suggest you take your time as they are difficult but don't take too much time because then you'll find yourself rushing a lot. Which is what I did :( (I was super nervous)
EFFORT is not distributed equally. Why should outcomes be? Only 12% of U.S. adults scored in the highest literacy proficiency levels, and only 9% scored in the highest numeracy levels. While 52% of Americans score below the minimum literacy required for coping with the demands of everyday life and work in a complex, advanced society, and successful secondary school completion and college entry.
it’s a prestigious high school bro it’s hard to get in tf you can’t expect to get in if you haven’t studied and everything bro just like how you can’t get mad at harvard for only accepting smart people like uh ok?
To the Kids in the Video you are very smart, cut the bull from the racists who say you are not. Just hit the books turn off Facebook, Instagram, social video games. Life is not fair. However if you study hard you can change it.
Having a racist, who would get kicked out of most respectable dinner parties, dominating the tone and shaping the SHSAT conversation in the comments section is just so perfect. Leading from the gutter.
The secret to success on any type of academics is to take school seriously, listen in class, do your homework, try to fully understand the material, ask questions if you don't understand anything, prepare for class ahead of time, study the material that same night that you learned it, etc. I know you have good intentions, but trying to make up all these other excuses actually hurts the groups that you intend to help. Better to improve the study habits of Blacks and Latinos than to mask the problem.
I've actually violated my own rule and lost a lot of time from my own study in my attempt to help Blacks and Latinos learn the secrets of how to do well on academics. I think it's important to raise up their level rather than knock down the Asians level.
Starting from pre-school or kindergarten, preach to Blacks and Latinos the importance of education. Don't wait until 6th or 7th grade and then blame the test. You get good at school by starting out with the right attitude toward school from an early age.
In Düb may you go into depth with the math? like is it beginning of regular algebra but mostly pre-algebra? i wanna get into this school so i’m trying to figure out what’s on the test first n then continue to work from their and challenge myself (n hopefully start learning math at a higher level than my own)
Ultra Mega and they still think they should still get In this is why we Asians are told to avoid black people(not racist) not to confront and stuff cause our parents hate how so many but not all are lazy and still expect they should get good stuff and we work hard just to get the government to do this to us cause we work hard
@@ruoyan9863 no, don't change it. Your comment IS racist in fact. you are generalizing all black people by claiming that we are lazy. I knew Asians were anti-black, that's why i make sure not to associate myself with yall since your parents and the people before them tell them to stay away from us. minorities hating on minorities. sad
Imma just tell you… Stuy is not a future proof school, they barely have any advanced programs except like algebra and advanced mathematics. Unless you wanna be a mathematician, I recommend a tech school. You may think Brooklyn tech is bad, but really, it teaches the same stuff as Staten Island technical, since they’re both technical schools.
Such unfortunate propaganda and waste of taxpayer money. Putting a panel of students with not a single voice supporting the SHSAT, the process or the schools (despite 4000+ students going in and wanting to go). If the Administration wants to help, then use the money to inform the students of all the free help that is available for the students. How about also simply try to replicate why Stuyvesant is successful? They get $17K per student, much lower than many other high schools. What makes Stuy a good school to begin with?
It video is very one sided and it doesn’t give accurate information, black kids in specialized are not facing any type of racism and this video is just the mayor’s way to cancel the SHSAT
We should never remove any tests. My mom told me about my cousins in the suburbs apparently they don't have tests and they aren't well educated for high school or college, so they can't get a good job in their life. The Mayor just wants to make it so that everyone suffers, pulling down people who actually utilize tools like the internet to study to the same level as fuckjacks that never even tried to study. SMH my head.
DOE NYC are to blame for these students there is no passing the buck here, what you see and hear right now from these children the fault of DOE NYC. Are there any students that passed or is this an engineered, orchestrated interview. The system itself is at fault, show us the students that passed these exams so we can get an idea of this problem.. Some people can study day and night to prepare for the big-day but still cannot pass it. Some have it and some don't this is life, perhaps affirmative action type passing grade advantage for those who just cannot pass, this is a dumb suggestion but this would be a solution for those who fail to understand is it an IQ problem. Please show us who actually passed these exams. Is it just NYC DOE is the problem not preparing the students properly giving the false hope not guiding them, preparing them in the wrong direction, this is what seems to be.
Please stop being ignorant in the comments as we all know there will forever be racism throughout the states the shsat is racist Becuase even if the racism in ny is more discreet it’s still there we can’t ignore that we have the most segregated schools located here please acknowledge the issue and stop playing the victim card
hey...you wanna play in the nba? yeah..i do. welll you should go to these bball camps every summer...what's the difference here? no one says anything about that
This is such BS. The test is fair...there's nothing demoralizing or racial about the test. Stop it already!!. The problem is cultural. Asian culture emphasize on academic. The black culture not so much. If you want real change it starts with parenting. The education system will not replace the role of parenting.
The City of New York stands unequivocally with our courageous students and does not condone the use of obscene, threatening or harassing language. It takes courage to speak out, especially about a topic as serious as school integration.
Yet because it’s all about harassing language doesn’t mean that it relates to the SHSAT because if all you want is a STEM school, ask the mayor to build STEM programs in schools, and to introduce this test earlier better helps everyone so why are you just discriminating a majority if you can just fix a smaller problem in K-8 in order for more diversity, so fix the neighborhoods, fix the schools, go against crime and poverty in those neighborhoods and you will see better results because all you need is a better start for a better future
How is scapgoating an objective exam help to address our problem in K-8? Diverting the attention to the real problem only make the problem worse. We all know that u only care only about ur presidential campaign and your personal/political gain, not our students.
Fix the actual problem instead of looking for a scapegoat. Did you review the K-8 testing scores for each of the minorities?
Make it based on merit not race. Let the asians succeed if they earn it. Its so racist to condemn asians for being successful. Everyone else needs to do better.
Uh... My parents were broke. I didn’t have heat in the house. I grew up in poverty. I had no test prep. I took the exam and got in.
Plus you cannot assume all the parents who sent their kids to test prep are wealthy. There are some communities where the parents would sacrifice eating in order to better their kids academic life. It’s all about priorities. So skip the vacation, the useless car lease, the new shoes, the iPhone you don’t need, or the manicure and send your kids to test prep if you feel that they won’t be able to pass without it.
The conversation should be why is there such a huge disparity between the quality of middle schools in NYC. Why haven’t some kids in some schools heard of the exam? We need to prepare all students for the exam.
I know plenty of classmates back in middle school who didn’t get in and they went to a so called integrated high school and became doctors and lawyers. It’s not the end of the world if you don’t get into a specialized science high school. You can still succeed!
But my opinion doesn’t matter because the city will still do what they want to do.
Well that's some self-congratulatory back slapping. Timothy, what year did you take the SHSAT? What were the demographics of your elementary/middle school and community? How many people in your exact same position didn't clear the cutoffs?
Timothy Smith nice, what school did you get into?
骑士黑暗 um... ok XD. But I’m just happy the shsat is staying
Was the test easy?
good for u man honestly
“We can’t make the worst schools better so we make the best schools worse”
What a propaganda video! Mayor de Blasio prefers to create an echo chamber instead of fostering a thoughtful debate about this important issue. Mayor de Blasio should do the hard work of fixing the "pipeline" problem, in particular (i) the lack of awareness about the SHSAT; (ii) the lack of G&T programs in public elementary and middle schools in black and brown communities; and (iii) free SHSAT test prep for those communities. Why not help black and brown students actually succeed by helping them develop the academic skills that are essential for a rigorous high school education and beyond instead of dismantling an objective test (which is merely a test of academic competence to ensure that students can handle the accelerated coursework at these specialized high schools)?
What about all of the black and brown communities that don't have access to G&T programs? I have friends who completed the city's so-called "Specialized High School Institute". All said it was a sham and all were declined admission to the school. How about you give free test prep to lower-income black and brown communities. GIVE THEM A CHANCE. The problem isn't the test, the problem is terrible K-8 education and lack of access to rigorous academic programs. By admitting the "top 7% from each school" you will be taking many kids who don't read at grade level and throw them into Stuyvesant, where they will drown and not be prepared for. Improve the middle schools, Carranza. You can keep calling out "racism" but what's racist is not even letting black and brown students show that they're capable of passing the test.
Many Asian communities made their own tutoring facilities because the city would not make it for them. Blacks and Latinos should also make their own tutoring facilities. Except they don’t. And they still complain about not getting accepted. I was in the Shsat institute called dream, and I got into Bronx high school of science. Instead of having to rely in the government for help, black and Latino communities should create their own tutoring facilities just like how Asians did it. It isn’t about race, it’s about resources. If you can have the resources, you get in.
There is programs like dream and Prep for Prep
This is so true. I knew a kid in Stuyvesant who got into the school through one of these special programs like Discovery. He really shouldn't have been in the school. I would frequently help him with his homework during my lunch break. Also, you don't need test prep to get high on the SHSAT. I studied at home and took free practice tests from online and in Manhattan every weekend. I also did a lot of practice work in my free time. You really just need dedication.
@@AllTrickss YOOOO ME TOO I WAS IN DREAM. But even then Dream got shut down bc of covid, so it's really sad even when they get the chance it's closed down.
@@AllTrickss Is it any surprise that cultures that had standardized testing back in the B.C. era have their own systems and resources on how to excel at standardized tests?
I'm guessing no one told these rich kids who go to specialized high schools that most of their peers are in fact not rich. Also, it's pretty astounding that communities that have been in NYC for generations know nothing about the test, while poor immigrant Asian communities know everything about it.
It’s frustrating how asians are getting lumped up with rich white kids, the asians work 10x harder than anyone else and their parents push them so much further
Your facts are getting in the way of their Propaganda.
I was in a predominantly black neighborhood and NO ONE in my school mentioned SHSAT. And I took the test because I loved science and wanted to go to Stuy. I still did not know it was SHSAT and that’s so sad 😢
The problem is there are huge holes in the curriculum that all of a sudden show up on the test. No grammar what so ever is taught at a regular school at the risk of teachers being told that they would get fired if they taught it. Parents being told that it is not needed. Then the test asks the student to correct grammar.
Wait who’s saying that they would get fired if they teach grammar?
The POINT of this test is to study yourself you have to put in the hard work yourself
@@arsh2489 And that’s the problem. The only program that’s available and helps students prepare for the test for free is the DREAM program. And that program is given just a few mi this before the set is given unlike the kids who have been Preparing since 4th grade. And that program only meets once a week. You already at a disadvantage if your family can’t afford to send you to an outside test prep
Decades ago, the city needed more people specialized in technology so the specialized high schools were set up. They started an uniformed exam for the entrance. Between 2002-03, after all the protests, 5 more schools were set up. Now those who still can't get in are crying to get rid of the test. It's not about race. It's about talents. Some are good for academic skills; some are more hands-on. So just let each group develop their own potential. Why does race got to do with this?
exactly!
Of course these kids are representative of the entire NYC student population. More to the point, why is Lisa Mars in charge of an arts school (LaGuardia) when she is trying to make it into a replacement for Stuyvesant?
But the real problem that the mayor doesn't want to address, is why do certain minorities do well on the test and others don't? Why is it that so many African American and Hispanic students attend schools that are so absolutely awful? Complaining about the test is just another way of shooting the messenger. The problem is that so many of the elementary and middle schools are so terrible. And the charter schools are worse. If Mr. de Blasio were serious about education, he'd go after Success Academy for forcing so many students who have difficulties of one sort or another to leave. If he really wanted a decent school system, he'd return to the model of the system when it was run by Dr. John J. Theobald. It certainly wasn't perfect then, but the difference between his administration and today is like night and day.
what is with the word "like" they used it a million times, they need help with the script. Like really, like now.
Like I thought like I was like the only like person like hella like annoyed with them like repeatedly saying "like".
Kids can't speak anymore. It was nothing like this when I was growing up. What happened to teaching evocative, articulate speech?
Lower the standard is not the way to fix the failed education systems
骑士黑暗 I don’t think race is my point and I just wanted all our kids have chance to be success in their way
骑士黑暗 the way you were talking just make people hate each other
@骑士黑暗 Thanks for fighting the good fight to stop this total persecution of the "quiet, pushover" Asian community. However, we can fight for Asians without insulting Blacks. Not all Blacks are falling for the Mayor's excuse-driven victim-mentality. De Blasio wants to be seen as the savior. However, instead of REAL improvement that enables them to truly get a better understanding of math, etc., he just wants to scrap the test and use some subjective criteria allowing for watered-down grades in lower performing schools to mask the deficiency rather than solve it. The Blacks parents that I know who value education and make their kids study from a young age have kids who are doing well in school. This video is insulting and tries to give the impression that Blacks cannot do well in school. You don't need money. You just need discipline and study-ethic. Getting these books from the library is completely free. Paying attention in math class doesn't cost anything. Setting time aside after dinner to study doesn't cost anything except for electricity that would get used anyway if you watch TV or play video games.
I disagree. I want to help blacks, but it can only start if their parents stop feeding them the victim-mindset, and instead teach them that they can overcome their barriers if they start studying and taking school seriously at an earlier age. Kids can study hard at school and a couple hours at home and then go play. Work hard. Play hard.
Yeah I am just fuming at the cocky kid in ur class whenever you try to correct then they are like “stop it” “show off” “ Omg stop ur annoying” and act all goody goody to the teachers but still get a failing grade and still act the same
De Blasio needs to go.
I went to Brooklyn Tech and HSAS @ Lehman College
Nyc specialized schools care more about getting PoC students in the door, and less about what to do when they get there.
The same applies to college
Gio how did you go to two-
@@reneli5403 you can take the test in 8th AND 9th grade.
I went into Brooklyn Tech, hated it, and went to Hsas
Gio oh uhm what did u hate abt tech
@@reneli5403 the referred to us by our OSIS more often than our names, new guidance counselor every year meant they never got to know your, and never cared to.
I went to hsas, a much smaller specialized, and the guidance counselors only cared about the students that got good grades. They influence all the under performing students, very often poor PoCs, to transfer so as to not ruin their statistics.
Gio thank youuu
These kids are awesome, brave, intelligent, articulate, and already leaders. I vote for them and wish them the best of success!
Terrific propaganda video. Did a North Korean ad agency produce it? Deblasio and Carranza are shameful and need to go.
I was thinking exactly the same thing.
I just got into Bronx Science!!!
Congrats!
How much were you getting on practice test?
Congrats!
I opened the shsat prep book from school did one test closed it and never looked at it again.
@SONAM DAWA thé test is trmw for me
@@nogoyee how was it?
@@sagatad.8245 it was challenging but kind of easy. im hopeful.
@@nogoyee I got into hsmse and bronx science what did you get?
@@floater7082 omggg congrats on your acceptance 🤍. I didn't get into any of the schools but i will try next year.
I would highly recommend watching this video: ua-cam.com/video/QDh7ZrhqtX0/v-deo.html
^it discusses important factors that go into students taking the SHSAT that a lot of these anti-SHSAT supporters are not mentioning.
The biggest issue about the SHSAT is not the test itself, but the accessibility that students have when it comes to understanding what the test is and the benefits of going to a specialized high school. In all seriousness, coming from a predominantly black and latino middle school, many of them had dreams and passions that didn't involve going to a specialized high school. Even when our counselors told us about the SHSAT during our high school application process many of them were disinterested mostly in part of the commute as well as the rigor that comes with going to these schools. If a middle school in a black/latino middle school was to open SHSAT classes they will need to gauge the interest of parents and students alike. The reasoning that the SHSAT should be eliminated is actually contradicted in this video because they say that the test puts stress and pressure on middle school students, yet this is just a taste of whats to come in the college application process (as the students mentioned.) Going to a competitive high school, students are definitely going to experience a ton of stress and pressure, but that is normal. The reason why the asian community, specifically Chinese community, is overrepresented in these specialized high schools is because of the culture of academic success and pressure that parents exert on their children. Chinese language newspapers like the World Journal publish high school / college specific content that is catered to the community during application season which further informs the community. There is no excuse for other communities in an age where there is free resources, articles, books that discuss the high school application process. The only point I do agree with is the idea of properly funding K-8 schools throughout the city and allocating resources in a way which can alleviate the stress in these areas of the school system. Of course diversity is important but it shouldn't be enforced by quotas, rather it should be by uplifting underprivileged communities so that they can compete with whites and asians.
It's a merit based school, a lot of Asian kids can't get in either, don't take your feeling into this.
De Blasio is trying to dumb people down.
I am so proud these students are speaking up. The Hecht-Calandra law is a direct attack to the success(es) of Black and Latinx students of NYC, and is what perpetuates the racial inequities of the Jim Crow era in modern-day society. The negative comments on this video are shameful, and those who wrote them should be embarrassed that they are supporting a system that is explicitly racist. This issue isn't about work ethic, or proper test practice, but rather the hows and whys of NYC being the only region in the US that uses 1 sole factor to determine entry into a public high school. The SHSAT system has allowed for the immense segregation of NYC schools, and has concentrated the wealth and resources to a select few of students. Finally students shouldn't have to put-in hours of their time to compensate for an education they didn't receive, students should not have to sacrifice their own mental well being to gain entry in a worthwhile educational institution--this should be a guarantee. Changing the enrollment process for these institutions is the first step at ensuring educational equity for ALL students. It has been 65 years since Brown V. Board was decided, and yet NYC has the most segregated school system in the nation. It's time to get it together. Periodt.
Alexander Rodriguez I suppose your solution would be treating Black and Latino students as if they were incapable of competing on a level playing field. That’s what you are advocating.
@UCFfXrKyiXWPFR71yfxsBQVAyour resort to slanders and lack of proper punctuation are the quintessential behaviors of a troll. I will not converse with you. In response to @Samuel Ashner, the 7% plan and myself are not saying that Black and Latinx students cannot play on the same playing field as their white, asian, and privileged counterparts, but rather that in a system that is primarily benefits the demographics of the communities I described above, there needs to be more sensible admissions criteria beyond the measure of one test as black and Latinx students especially have not had the support to pass such a screen due to other determinants in their education. In addition o that I have one question, isn't putting more black and brown students in specialized school acknowledging that these kids can indeed play on the same field as white and asian students?
In general, one test should not be a sole factor in school admission. If students are not passing an exam (SHSAT and other) the failure should not be blamed on the student but the system they were taught in. Screens are manifestations of DOE failure. That is why the 7% plan is a good step in the right direction of integration because it acknowledges the work of all students over the course of their middle school career.
I can be using my efforts elsewhere (Like actually making governmental changes), so If you have any questions I'd recommend you look on to the Teens Take Charge website. They are doing phenomenal work. I will make no further comments.
@@samuelashner9677 As it seems they cannot, it never was this bad, you have no clue do you.
Yes! Thank you for adding a macro perspective.
Are you saying that Black and Latino(a) students don’t have what it takes to succeed? This isn’t racist. It’s a skill issue. A lot of the students that received entry to specialized high schools are Asian, and many of us come from immigrant communities. We are not privileged here either. There are also many Asian students who haven’t made it, does this mean that the shsat is racist? No, you merely didn’t score high enough. Banning the SHSAT is taking a chance to go to a good high school away from ALL students, and is that what you want?
These children are very Intelligent, but at the same time they are just children or young adults that are very Naive to the facts, on why certain children don't get in. You can't stop other students because they were raised in a certain culture/ethic/morality of the way of thinking, if that happens you would turn a blind eye, to America's most exceptional students.... We would want to have an innovative & and exceptional future don't we? We as all americans should strive for that and instill that moral work ethic into our children. The problem is that many parents or guardians don't have this value, and that's fine, don't be upset if your child does not get into a specialized school. Regular schools success can be gained from that as well.
Is there anything that does not involve racism for NY school chancellor Carranza? What about the racial imbalance in the NBA or Olympic sprint/track events where the majority are blacks. Are the NBA and Olympics racists also? Shouldn't the NBA and the Olympics be made up of similar demographics to that of the general USA population? Has anyone asked such questions to Carranza without him accusing the person posing such a question a racist? The idea that all participants deserve a trophy for participating at high school ages will undermine the meritocracy system and striving for excellence.
Literally basket ball and high school are two separate things 🧍♀️
@@cheezitmoreno7705 no they both lead to careers in which people pay their bills. When blacks dominate a field you don’t see Asians bitching about racism.
@@shinyguy1 cry harder
Thank you to the students in this video for putting themselves out there and telling their deeply personal stories to help push for this important change. Don't let the backlash in internet comments stop you from fighting for what is right. Some may disagree, but many people are with you, and your experience-based advocacy is powerful enough to change systems like this--maybe not on the first go. But keep at it. I support you!
骑士黑暗 You’ve got to stop. You’re words don’t affect us. WE WILL KEEP FIGHTING FOR EQUALITY IN EDUCATION! Currently the system is balanced in the favor of the Asian and White people and we want to make it EQUAL! So STOP YOUR FAKE NEWS!!
@@ryantonyexuma7103 How is it balanced in favor of Asians? Most Asian immigrants who apply to these schools came to this country with no money and not speaking English as a 1st language.
@骑士黑暗 The garbage coming out of your mouth is putrid. An innocent man was killed for doing nothing and you say something like that. Shame on you. The system is balanced against black and brown people and in favor of white and Asian people. We simply want to make it equal for everyone. If you can't understand that, then that's your problem. Equality is a good thing. We NEED to ensure everyone, regardless of color or race, gets equal info about the test and is able to have an equal opportunity. Giving people a chance and allowing them opportunities is what made America great and what continues to make it great.
Thank you @Nathan Durham for your kind words!
Who’s taking it this year
I might ngl I'm kinda nervous, I have a 85%chance of falling it lol cause test prep got canceled and I only attended like 4 months
@SONAM DAWA me 2
I am taking it like in a week
@@cerisecerezacherry how'd it go
It went okay even though in 90% sure I'm not getting in because I didnt fill out all if the math portion because the lack of time. I really suggest you take your time as they are difficult but don't take too much time because then you'll find yourself rushing a lot. Which is what I did :( (I was super nervous)
EFFORT is not distributed equally. Why should outcomes be?
Only 12% of U.S. adults scored in the highest literacy proficiency levels, and only 9% scored in the highest numeracy levels.
While 52% of Americans score below the minimum literacy required for coping with the demands of everyday life and work in a complex, advanced society, and successful secondary school completion and college entry.
Furrowed Brow Because people lazy and find shortcut if it’s like a smart one it’s fine but thinking ur smart and skipping the Shsat my god
it’s a prestigious high school bro it’s hard to get in tf you can’t expect to get in if you haven’t studied and everything bro just like how you can’t get mad at harvard for only accepting smart people like uh ok?
lol i just took the test 2 hours ago 😟 guessed for 1/2 of the math section ngl. i think imma get a good top 200 outta 800 and get into hmm *disowned*
TARQIYA FORGAH you too,, i’m so scared even tho i’m pretty sure i got like a 200
@TARQIYA FORGAH OMG hiii tarqiya!!!!
I LOVE YOUR PFP AKHDJSSH DID YOU PASS THO
TARQIYA FORGAH thanks but i got a 430 which means i didn’t get into any.. how did you do?
Sangwoo’s Ashes wait i forgot to mention FDR isn’t a specialized i was talking about my high school application over all
To the Kids in the Video you are very smart, cut the bull from the racists who say you are not. Just hit the books turn off Facebook, Instagram, social video games. Life is not fair. However if you study hard you can change it.
Classic Dunning Kruger with a big scoop of victimhood on top.
My asian mom and dad started to make me study in the beginning on 6th grade
Too late ! they start them at prek with olsat
Having a racist, who would get kicked out of most respectable dinner parties, dominating the tone and shaping the SHSAT conversation in the comments section is just so perfect. Leading from the gutter.
The secret to success on any type of academics is to take school seriously, listen in class, do your homework, try to fully understand the material, ask questions if you don't understand anything, prepare for class ahead of time, study the material that same night that you learned it, etc. I know you have good intentions, but trying to make up all these other excuses actually hurts the groups that you intend to help. Better to improve the study habits of Blacks and Latinos than to mask the problem.
I've actually violated my own rule and lost a lot of time from my own study in my attempt to help Blacks and Latinos learn the secrets of how to do well on academics. I think it's important to raise up their level rather than knock down the Asians level.
Starting from pre-school or kindergarten, preach to Blacks and Latinos the importance of education. Don't wait until 6th or 7th grade and then blame the test. You get good at school by starting out with the right attitude toward school from an early age.
what’s on the math sections...
bijou gacha mainly alegra 1. Some probability and geometry.
R r Lol it was all pre algebra wdym
In Düb may you go into depth with the math? like is it beginning of regular algebra but mostly pre-algebra? i wanna get into this school so i’m trying to figure out what’s on the test first n then continue to work from their and challenge myself (n hopefully start learning math at a higher level than my own)
yuun yoongi the math was mostly pre algebra with a bit of algebra mixed in nothing too difficult
In Düb ohh okay so i’m guessing 8th grade pre-algebra? btw tysm i genuinely thought it was harder
Studied straight for the internet and other free resources and made it. Shame deblasio
So grow up and make lots of money and make sure your kids and those you love have all the opportunities.
Simon Lai it’s not that easy.
Ultra Mega and they still think they should still get In this is why we Asians are told to avoid black people(not racist) not to confront and stuff cause our parents hate how so many but not all are lazy and still expect they should get good stuff and we work hard just to get the government to do this to us cause we work hard
@@ruoyan9863 no, don't change it. Your comment IS racist in fact. you are generalizing all black people by claiming that we are lazy. I knew Asians were anti-black, that's why i make sure not to associate myself with yall since your parents and the people before them tell them to stay away from us. minorities hating on minorities. sad
@@Xeej0 y’all try and act dumb. You know asians have a history of being anti black, I’m not racist, I just ain’t dumb
@@mikaelaphillip8121 They seriously are, have you seen what anti-black asians have said? its skin crawling
Hm
Imma just tell you… Stuy is not a future proof school, they barely have any advanced programs except like algebra and advanced mathematics. Unless you wanna be a mathematician, I recommend a tech school. You may think Brooklyn tech is bad, but really, it teaches the same stuff as Staten Island technical, since they’re both technical schools.
brooklyn tech isnt bad, its good for what it is
Such unfortunate propaganda and waste of taxpayer money. Putting a panel of students with not a single voice supporting the SHSAT, the process or the schools (despite 4000+ students going in and wanting to go). If the Administration wants to help, then use the money to inform the students of all the free help that is available for the students. How about also simply try to replicate why Stuyvesant is successful? They get $17K per student, much lower than many other high schools. What makes Stuy a good school to begin with?
It video is very one sided and it doesn’t give accurate information, black kids in specialized are not facing any type of racism and this video is just the mayor’s way to cancel the SHSAT
Liberals are never fair.
We should never remove any tests. My mom told me about my cousins in the suburbs apparently they don't have tests and they aren't well educated for high school or college, so they can't get a good job in their life. The Mayor just wants to make it so that everyone suffers, pulling down people who actually utilize tools like the internet to study to the same level as fuckjacks that never even tried to study. SMH my head.
DOE NYC are to blame for these students there is no passing the buck here, what you see and hear right now from these children the fault of DOE NYC. Are there any students that passed or is this an engineered, orchestrated interview. The system itself is at fault, show us the students that passed these exams so we can get an idea of this problem.. Some people can study day and night to prepare for the big-day but still cannot pass it. Some have it and some don't this is life, perhaps affirmative action type passing grade advantage for those who just cannot pass, this is a dumb suggestion but this would be a solution for those who fail to understand is it an IQ problem. Please show us who actually passed these exams. Is it just NYC DOE is the problem not preparing the students properly giving the false hope not guiding them, preparing them in the wrong direction, this is what seems to be.
Nice kids...lot of bull!!
Smart kids
Please stop being ignorant in the comments as we all know there will forever be racism throughout the states the shsat is racist Becuase even if the racism in ny is more discreet it’s still there we can’t ignore that we have the most segregated schools located here please acknowledge the issue and stop playing the victim card
Awesome Forum
hey...you wanna play in the nba? yeah..i do. welll you should go to these bball camps every summer...what's the difference here? no one says anything about that
This is such BS. The test is fair...there's nothing demoralizing or racial about the test. Stop it already!!.
The problem is cultural. Asian culture emphasize on academic. The black culture not so much. If you want real change it starts with parenting. The education system will not replace the role of parenting.
This "roundtable" is an embarrassment.
@10:56..fake woke asian.
With this controversy making big news, they can no longer use the excuse that they "didn't know the SHSAT existed."