Zenyatta NEEDS TO BE NERFED In Overwatch 2
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Tank feels horrendous to play if the enemy team has a zen which I feel the majority of the time when I played ranked, they have a zen
And support feels horrendous to play against dive heroes. Same old, same old.
Tank just feels bad to play most of the time if your not playing the same 4 tanks since most struggle to kill things with new fat HP pools and no damage buffs
So dps can just get healed through damage but tanks can't
I’m a flex support main, so I don’t necessarily have an issue with playing Zen, but it’s getting so boring and repetitive to play Zen every single game
He needs his discord nerfed.@@Truthforeals
@@Truthforeals Even before Zen being meta right now, people wanted Bap nerfs. Even as a support main, Immort is so dumb. Nerf Discord orb, change anti to the dps passive, and change Immort to DR
I must've missed the update where her shield had the size of the Berlin Wall, and the reach of an ICBM, because there's no way in hell, heaven and earth that hit, unless her SHIELD counts as a slow projectile lmfao 2:21
That exact same thing happened to team USA in owwc, super i believe got bashed out of flux even tho the bash was not even close to hitting him
As a Brig main: Her shield feels generally bugged (again). I charged multiple times straight through people with her normal charge, but her ult charge feels bigger. It's just as unreliable as the shield block from season 6 or 7.
Also a brig main here, wtf is this? What the hell!? This season needs some hit box tweaks but that is utter bull
@@Gelthon the frame 1 shield is also bs tbh 😂
It happens bc if you hit 1 person, the stunbox extends way further to potentially hit multiple people. The brig hit the Lucio first with the regular hitbox, then flats got caught in the extended one. Doom's punch also does this to a ridiculous degree. There should be a video somewhere by one of the popular doom players showing how it works
9:33 That Hog spin was amazing 😂
@@christopherbohan1451 lol nah that's the "I'M COOKED" spin.
8:36 it’s honestly insane how fucking fast that went down holy shit
Yeah. Knockback immunity on Fortify means Whole Hog is gonna do bonkers amount of damage.
That Brig had absolutely no respect for tanks. Or laws of physics for that matter...
Change discord orb to reduce damage done by target. Opposite of damage boost.
If a Sojourn is pocketed by mercy, a discord orb on Sojourn reduces damage to offset the damage boost.
Gives some counterplay to damage boosting.
Actually based
That is so much smarter. I would love that.
Let’s discourage dps players from dps’ing…sounds fun
Yes it sounds awesome @gabrielnieves4103
@gabrielnieves4103 you say that like stopping tanks from tanking is a better alternative
We need to look into the DPS passive honestly. That shit is what fucking the tanks up the most.
I think the frustrating thing is tanks don't have consistency with their role passive. Either let them mitigate and reduce all manner of debuffs or work it into something else. Make DPS passive less effective, like 10% instead of 20% or make Zen's orb do less damage but still keep the 25% on other targets etc. Anything that does a debuff should be less effective on tanks because their whole point is being a wall. Let the enemy work on going around that wall, and the wall learning to reposition itself.
revert it or do something else. for real.
I don’t think it’s a zen issue, but the dps debuff issue
It's neat to see Flats play open queue. It's cool see what playing against 3 tanks is like again.
I don't even play OW and that Brigg bash hurt my soul.
In my opinion it’s not really Zen so much as the DPS passive is way overpowered. I’ve had multiple people die inside of a Zen ult.
True that zen ult doesn’t feel as strong but that discord damage is nuts.
I knew this was going to happen as soon as everyone’s up went up and healing in the midnight hot gutted. If you have orb and are shooting your gun, you just get shredded
did u have a stroke typing this?
@@Truthforealsa support shouldn’t have the same health as a dps. bap is basically a better soldier
@@Truthforeals u cant be this braindead
@@Ex3oxLOL bronze take frfr
@@Ex3ox im confused, do you want supports to be squishier than a baby dva or smth?
Would a nerf like discord being 50% less effective on tanks work.
All rebuffs and negative effect should be less effective on tanks. Like nade, sleep, stun
@@maximum9977 pretty sure they have the sleep dart like that rn
2:19 replayed this part 4 times lmao
Bro she was a continent away like wtf
Bro has to try SO hard to win that 1st match
that brig was INSANE.
that tech of being able to jump up there was some tech I didn't even know was possible with brig
Any tank not dive, feels worthless this season, if u dont have a weaver to get u out when u go for the backlines, ur dead so fast its stupid
I feel really bad for the tank role this season, to be honest, really hope there'll be a season for them
When does overwatch classic come out?
0:42 Brig has no fear walking up to a Sigma like that bc she hard counters him lol.
Support being strong???? Nooooo, they're supposed to be free kills! How am I gonna make my sick genji kills compilation now? Nerf him immediately blizzaaaaaaaard!
zen is strong in this patch and if you cant accept that you either are very low on rank ladder or hard coping lol
Change the percentages on discord orb? Turn it down to 20% for dps and support characters and to 15% on tanks? Maybe? Or if the discord orb needs to be that strong then nerf his damage slightly and health by a lot. A true glass cannon.
Zen originally wasn't an issue
He provided great damage for the team but was made of glass and fell apart at close range
Now he has a melee that does crazy damage and knocks you back to his shooting range and they gave him more health
Removing the glass aspect of him and still keeping the cannon
That's the problem
I don't even think Zen's damage is the issue, but his discord orb. It's not HIS damage that gets you, but everyone else's. As soon as he puts discord on tank, it's over for them. Still, he should be allowed to have his kick boop and his discord effectiveness stay the same against other people, so he can protect himself. I would very much like for ALL negative effects to be less effective on tanks, in general.
7:29 RARE FLATS POG FACE VARIANT, also surprised jay didn't say "GOD DAMNED THERE BROTHER" 😭😭
I haven’t really had a problem with brig (probably because I exclusively play casually) but zen is annoying at any level of play, and I will focus him whenever possible
Tank feels so ass to play sometimes this season. I still explode every other game, and when I don’t I just completely roll
The only tanks that feel good to play are Sigma and Ball. The problem is most people don’t play these heroes just because many think Sigma is “boring” and Ball has a ver unique and difficult skill set. Sigma is SUCH a good pick and is literally never in my games. Can be very annoying from a support’s POV as well, because the other tanks get ravaged by the dps passive to a very high degree. My advice; JUST PLAY SIGMA PLEASE!
Having a fighting chance as zen is nice but soloing a tank in 1v1 is NOT a good balancing
Can’t say it not fun tho
Discord should be turned into an ability that is linked to the harmony orb, like for example whoever has the harmony orb does bonus damage to the person who has discord and only the person that has the harmony orb does the bonus damage to the person who has discord. Thoughts?
Zen entering Transcendence should remove Discord from targets that have it applied, honestly.
As a Zen and Tank main I completely agree playing tank against a Zen is completely terrible tbh I think it’s why I’m also a Zen main bc instead of getting destroyed I get to do the destroying
The way he can hit tracers is crazy :0 I need glasses clearly
tbf engaging that hard as tracer will get you killed, you cannot do that anymore unless you are backed up, which she wasnt
@@Kat-xp8znIn this meta? She can engage hard that little bit of health she got plus a harmony orb on her is all she needs.
@@TheLastEgg08 imagine getting a harmony orb, tho
Zen isn't the problem, y'all asked for less healing so now we play dps supports, and now y'all ask for nerfs to supports bcs they damage too much?
2:20 Brigs shield got that 5m reach lol. Brig stunned through a shield and half the map.
The increased hit boxes be doing wonders
@@1wh0devoursfate didn't know they made her shield half a mile thick
@@fettbub92bro was a solid continent away and it still stunned
Shit is WILD
@@sebastianrodriguez8992 "balanced" and "fun"
@@fettbub92 next thing you know she will be walking on water
They nerfed discord in the most roundabout way possible instead of doing what they did to sleep dart, just make it less effective on tanks, it’s so fucking simple lol
And even as a Zen main, he really doesn’t deserve 275 hp, 250 is still enough for him to be a menace.
As a tank main (dva and sigma) it feels gets hard for me to do my job when I'm getting discorded 24/7
Dude I feel ya, especially if your dps just ain’t holding up to the other teams. Ram feels most reliable because his beam is pretty damn gud but u HAVE to play perfect to climb or you just stay in the bottom ranks
I really liked the editing done this video! Props to fresh!
Nerf Zen, Buff Junkrat is what I'm hearing. But seriously, they should make the percentage of damage taken while Discorded on Tanks down if you want to nerf him. If Ana's Sleep can effect only Tanks less, they can do the same for Discord Orb.
Change it to like 10% incoming damage
That brig cancelling the dig flux reminds me of the ow league clip where the brig canceled an ult from a mile away
That brig bash is an old bug. 2:21 It's because the bash stunned the lucio it can sometimes stun someone ahead as well? It's one of the more rare bugs I get, but that's because I actively avoid bashing in this situation. Because what should've happened and what happens more often is it hits the lucio and thats it. I would've ran past the lucio then attempted to bash, because it was pure luck that it hit here. When it comes to amount of bugs brig is only bested by doomfist, it is impressive how many bugs they fit in one hero.
Zen got me into OW 1. I’m glad he’s broken.
This ranking is bs, I just put up ridiculous stats with no team help, and deranked 80%. Genuinely baboons on my team and I get that. This game is a shitfest
OW2 devs: ok, we'll nerf Genji.
Zen doesn't need a nerf he needs a discord rework.
Zenyatta rein and a lot of other characters were designed for 6v6 and not 5v5 that's why zenyatta feels way op and rein and road feel like shit
Zenyatta will need a full rework same with rein and road to function in 5v5 like what they did with orisa or just change the game back to 6v6 which is the better than 5v5
And actually what's breaking the tank role right now isn't zen but the dps passive I mean bastion can kill someone inside Zens ult without any buff. Also livewaver used to heal 70 now it heals 56 while lower amount of heals get less affected like Zens orb going from 30 to 24 so it still feels the same.
Gold 3 support myself, I pull out zen in two very specific scenarios, against orisa and on flashpoints, because I hate playing both of those, all other scenarios I exclusively play based on the situation but never to zen
Ik it might be a silly question, and yes I did watch the video, but what makes Brig good? I swear I try to play her and under the smallest amount of poke, she just gets shredded. And fighting any other character it just feels like she loses most of them.
Also I hear that Hyrule Warriors music 👀
Brigs stun range is insane, its like a full character hitbox further than where her shield ends.
Never thought i would hear nerf zen ever 😂
2:18 I'm sorry... what is the hit box size of Sigma when he is using his ult? Did Brigs shield get a hit box increase when the projectiles got the increase in size?
I'm a zen brig main and and was Plat. What I have figured out is that zen is good cause of the extra heath and bigger projectile size makes it seems like he is problem but in honesty I feel the problem is the dps passive reducing healing by 20 percent for 5 second from any damage. It makes some many hit scans so much more powerful. And with the decreased healing from that tanks feel more squishy to a zen. A fox ibfeel is that for dps passive you need the debuf to only take effect after a hero takes 25 to 50 percent of there hp. Instead of any damage what so ever.
I bullied a Zen player the other day as Ram, it was so satisfying. He was confused to why I hated him so much 💀.
Normally theres a massive gap between the silver tank experience and flats, but tank finally has all the same bullshit no matter where in the ladder you are, so that's something.
I remember when you cried about nerfing roadhog because he could get kills and was only good because kuri suzu, and you gave no fucks when they reworked him into a useless mess
Now nerf zen because instead of actually balancing the game with 2 tanks like it was literally created to be. We need to destroy another heros to appease lord fata
Honesty at this point I would want them to remove discord and replace it with something else like a Sonic orb that allows zen and his team to see people through walls for a few seconds and give him specificly a damage buff so he still does the damage he normaly would to a discorded target just not the rest of his team.
Zen is a massive problem in the current Overwatch. I hope he’s the next character up for rework
Disc just isn't designed for focus fire, the amp is too high for 5 people to shoot the same target.
Omg the Kirby's Return to Dreamland music
Yo i don't even pay tank but damn that sucks
I'm not sure if I actually like the health changes since for tank, trying to kill squishies when they have a support with them sucks. The only way it's going to happen is if you have DPS there with you. I feel like if they were to slightly buff tank damage and survivability against debuffs, then tank would be more fun.
Flats, you got me back into overwatch so thank you, but also!
"Hm I don't have the skill I used to, so I'll just tank. Scary zen? Flats you silly goose."
Later that week:
"HELP! PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF AAAAAAaaaaaaa!"😊
I know flats doesnt read yt comments but im gonna say this, it was so cool to “analyze” the gameplay when u switched to dva and started like following the ball because of the thing you said that tank doesnt get too much heals with brig/zen and you exploited that, true gamer mind
I don't play zen. One of if not my least played support characters and I am a support main. I jumped on zen and drastically increased my win percentage this season.
WDYM ZEN NEED A NERF? HE GET THE BIGGEST NERF IN HISTORY WHEN U CANT APPLY DISCORD ORB ON ENEMI AGAIN 💀💀💀
Zen doesnt need a nerf. Every tank needs a buff.
Straight up if you wanna win, EVERYONE on the team needs to hard focus zen
Dearest Flats....
I used to be a huge fan of yours. Your statistical knowledge is mind bending. Your wheezing laugh always cracks me up but, I just can't support your nerf/buff logic anymore. All you do is complain and cry now. My job is too hard as tank so nerf everybody else! (Mocking imitation)Time to kill is too slow (cont.).....then play call of duty or something then man! It really just feels like you want everyone to be exactly the same with no shields or CC so you can just Godzilla everybody as a tank. You'll have everyone looking like some kind of battle sim! They run in... everyone gets scraped....and they respawn and do it again...I get UA-cam plays the Bill's (kinda) so you gotta open up the the Flats nine channel.....where you complain about the payload moving too slow because it likes picklesanddolaundry (wrote the pickle thing like to simulate you cramming something completely unrelated into an already boring subject for emphasis).... I'll be back for roll for sandwich tho, you still seem to enjoy that. Havardy cheese is mid though. I hope you learn that being a contrarian doesn't fill in the old personality slot there bud. I hope you do but.........if I had to guess.....No shot.......
NOTE: Sorry about about all the ..... Grammar/English was my worst subject in school. I'm sure it shows. Haha.
OWCavalry just posted Zen is getting a nerf and buffs to Illari and Junkrat tomorrow
He didn’t seem any more oppressive than the Brig or Tracer…
No one talking about how brig scaled a wall?
There have been very few actually fun patches for tank in all of OW2, most of the game for us is counterswapping, and when we aren’t counterswapping against eachother, the other roles are countering us with nothing we can do against them.
I want 6v6 back or a better dev team
6v6 again would be insane rn. I want
Why not both?
@@fettbub92 it’s blizzard, you can’t expect both from them, both would be great, but let’s be real
@@oswaldoswald7226 I can dream can't I? I would love both, I agree that Blizzard probably wouldnt, but I see no issue in wanting both. I honestly think if devs were smarter, we would get 6v6 back, and better balanced.
flats try not to complain abt zen for a day challenge
They need also remove 5 stacking
Nerf tracer
Actually based
Skill issue, if you are not hitting her rn, thats a you issue
I only see zen brig and ball being a nuisance. Brig n zen being both supp n dps.
As a zen player. Zen is too damm strong right now. He shoots logs, he buff doesn't matter when you play against him. A good zen Is an easy win. But he is way too strong rn
oooo I was actually present during the stream for these matches, ironically I had to do something else after that last though
Zen and Brig are the only Tank duo left in Overwatch
I'm glad Flats's answer to Zen/Brig was to pick Dva. She's lowkey a sleeper pick and always has been even at her most popular.
Sincerely,
Someone with more than double playtime on Dva than their next two most played heroes combined.
Y’all remember when zen had 150 hp? Pepperidge farm remembers
NO WAY THAT BRIG STUN HITS THAT FAR..... 2:19 what did the devs/T4 do to this game
I honestly believe the dps passive should have went to everyone. Kinda like how tf2 healing works
They need to nerf just a little the dps passive that’s just too much damage in 1 second at 8:36. Also Zen is completely broken and needs to be adjusted right away 💀
i think that zen orb and widow shots are waaaay too powerful and im a zen player myself. if the enemy tank is trash that guy dies in mere seconds. but i lready found ppl who never played zen before and after the match theyre mvp in the game. i think that the increased hitbox and more hp are great. It feels great and i find value as a dps. i dont have to kill the enemy just apply constant debuff to supports. well and widow is ludacrisright now. if you have a half good widow as your enemy- hide. hide as long as u can cause if you peek youre dead.
that stun was from an other timeline
Never EVER thought I’d hear the phrase “Zenyatta needs to be nerfed”
I have to agree and I am glad to see flats feels the same way. The game as a whole feels totally off. It feels way more roll or be rolled then it used to at this point. Not a fun patch by any means.
Bro what was that brig stun!? Not even close
At this point, can we just shift Brig to tank role?
Flats "I play tank, we need to buff tanks, and nerf everything that is good vs tanks"
... Imagine if support said same thing about Widow... Sombra... Tracer... Genji... List goes on. But FLATS only care about tanks.
03:18 "You literally can't kill them" Erh... they are immortal? damn...
"You can't one shot kill them, they have 275 HP" ... Yha remember that blizzard wanted to remove "One hit kills" ?
But hey, FLATS is tank, he cant have it that anyone els is a threat to tanks.
offtopic but this is he last place I expected to hear Hyrule Warriors music 😂
Yea I'm a doom main on tank and when they have a zen I want to die💀☠️
As a zen main i confirm
He needs a nerf
We need the discord orb nerf and damage nerf too
Literally, i disintegrate people from across the map with zen
Don’t nerf him, he’s perfect like that. THE IRIS SPOKE TO ME!
I have to keep explaining to people why Zen is so broken, this is exactly why right here.
The fact that a tank needs full health to deal with Zen says a lot!!!
They need to buff lifeweaver!
I was able to do damage and heal but now I feel like I can barley keep up with the heals
Honestly I think the health and the kick are the issues. The fact that Zen is able to survive what is supposed to counter him so easily makes him a must pick. It's not the fact that he's strong, it's the fact that he isn't weak in any exploitable way.
I had someone on my team in my comp say isn’t good. Needless to say, they were wrong
This is why we call them supports and not healers because they aren't doing any healing this season
Gigachad blizzard ends up buffing him instead.
I legit dont understand why they dont shift his power away from discord orb, its the least fun ability in his kit and the most frustrating to verse
As soon as he switched to dva the dives were personal