first ride on a ‘small’ EUC - Veteran Patton by Leaperkim
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2024
- I was surprised at how different the Veteran Patton is from my Sherman S. First ride impressions in this fairly unedited footage.
Hope you enjoy, cheers!
Jono
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00:00 - Start
01:14 - Crash
01:32 - Crash chat, initial thoughts
02:27 - Suspension
02:56 - Slow Riding
03:47 - Wobbles
04:22 - Tyre Whine
04:37 - Speed
06:11 - Interlude
07:00 - 40kmh sweet spot
07:16 - Seated
07:47 - Times up
07:55 - Offroad
08:54 - Nimble playful
09:26 - Turns dipping
09:44 - Seated again
10:07 - Effortless
10:33 - Easy balance start stop
11:16 - Problem with new wheels
11:57 - Hill & headwind
12:27 - Effortless - Фільми й анімація
Great ride review! I love my Patton, but once I changed the tire to the Shinko SR 241 it went to the next level. It has the profile of a street tire and a stiff carcass, but serious enough knobs to beat the stock tire in any conditions, on-road or off. It’s the one missing piece of the Patton puzzle.
ah nice tyre suggestion, it's going on my list. cheers!
Interesting to hear first impressions from a Sherman rider. I have the Patton and ridden it about 250 miles, mostly off-road, pretty technical stuff. My other off-road wheel is the Master (not-pro version). The larger diameter tire on the Master is less fatiguing over long distances and although the Patton suspension is easier to adjust and quieter, I don't have any issues with the Master suspension. I did find the Patton's small tire a little too "playful" on occasion - especially at higher speeds on the road. It wandered and occasionally went in unintended directions which was disconcerting. The Master and its Kenda tire are stable at speed. On the Patton plus side in the Master vs. Patton comparison, the Patton has good range and seems to use its battery more frugally than the Master with 40S cells. Power-wise, they feel pretty equal, though maybe the Master has better top end and it is certainly more stable when riding at those higher speeds. Agree about the Patton pedals. They don't grip well enough on the technical stuff. I don't "fall in love" with a new wheel early on. It takes me about 200 miles to get used to something new and I try to withhold judgment until I'm familiar with the wheel.
Good policy, this is the first wheel I was very interested in immediately. I had to go home and think about the V11. The Sherman S took the Street tyre to convert me!
The Patton wondering sounds sketchy, is that on the stock offroad tyre?
That's good news that the larger 20" master is comparable in power feel. That's what i'm hoping for the Lynx.
Cheers!
@@jonoeuc Yes, stock tire. It's fine off-road, but on the street at higher speeds, not so much. I wonder what the tire selection is like for the 12" rim. My guess would be no fancy Michelin Pilot XYZ whatever tire would be available. I do use that tire on one of mine and it is good to the point of transformative. It's just not for off-road 🙂
Thanks for all videos Jon, I just ordered my Patton, I used your ewheels code, thanks mate !cheers from Palo Alto California
hey mate, that's awesome!
you might be the first to use the eWheels code so cheers for that!
It's a really fun wheel, I'm sure you'll enjoy it
Jono
Did I mention 'Effortless'?! :) Feel free to leave any questions and I'll do my best to answer, cheers!
Jono
I'm riding a ks 16s 840wh battery right now, absolut love it but I'm looking for something with suspension as well as a larger tire, longer range and higher top speed, the Patton and Lynx seem like really good alternatives but I'm worried about the weight since it's literally twice as heavy,
Great review. You are very smooth on it. I love my Patton (first wheel was a V8S). FWIW I ride hard surfaces with the street tire option that came from ewheels. I recently changed shoes from high top motorcycle riding shoes to low motorcycle boots with ankle protection. That change has made a big difference in the brake wobbles and squirleyness when going faster. The boots are essentially rigid side to side which has really cleaned up my experience.
Hey mate, cheers! I can see why, the Patton felt amazing. Oh nice info about the boots, surprised it was such a big difference.
yea i wouldn't go high moto boots unless consistently riding trails / jumping or racing.
Well done. I like your upbeat energy. Saying what you do like and sharing your enjoyment. Good job
Thanks mate that means a lot. It was strange doing such a brief overview since I normally go crazy in depth haha
(ps broke my gopro lens on that stair drop thus the early cut, shorter footplates doh!)
Hopefully you're enjoying your patton more after some time :)
Love your style jonno, always well thought out and put together videos, it’s great to see a ‘ get on and go ‘style video from you too…
much appreciated, and thank you I was cautious about making this style of video :)
Good video! I'm not a performance rider. I'm a 275lb urban street carver. I've got the Patton with 66lb spring and street tire. It's amazing, I love it. The street tire is a bit more of a combo tire, IMHO, but nice and quiet, no bad road manners.
thanks! Ah good to hear it suits you, would love to try a different tyre. damn, making me keen haha
@@jonoeuc I'd like to see your impressions of the Veteran Lynx.🍻
Nice one Jonno, the Patton’s capabilities were exceeding that of the rider there for a minute 😂. No worries, no harm done, and a timely reminder to all trying out a new wheel - steady as she goes (- at least for the first hour!) 👍🏻🏴
Absolutely, I was so surprised when it dived. Hurt my ego the most!
My eyes boggled when the guys said alright meet you back in 30 minutes, wuhhh!? Was challenging timeframe.
cheers
I personally went knobby due to a good amount of trails in my area, but since I mostly use my Patton on the road for college commute and after getting used to the knobby on the street, I can say I really love the way it feels. It’s more stable and predictable than a street tire which u feel would be too squirrelly on a 16” wheel, and I just love the sound it makes when accelerating hard. Really lets people know I’m coming since this thing is so quiet disregarding the wheel noise.
Great info cheers GAVINNNNNNNN! (lol)
The truth is I'm going through a tyre crisis atm so appreciate that.
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Another amazing video, there hasn’t been a bad one yet.
I also ordered the Patton and should have it soon as the container boat from China docked yesterday.
So hyped, which wheel are you coming from? It was so fun. Trying to figure out if my next wheel is a Patton or a Lynx..
@@jonoeuc I am just starting my EUC journey as I have learned on an MCM5 V2.
I would have thought as you need the range the new improved Sherman S which is due out soon would be the ideal model for you? And if you have the money a Patton to partner with it to have fun with and go off road.
Whatever you choose will be great to ride as LeaperKim seem to be the best brand for reliable EUCs at the moment.
Thanks a lot for this. I’m buying mine. Selling my Onewheel
awesome mate, the Patton is sweet. Hope you love it.
EUCs are next level from a onewheel although I've kept my Pint. Great for very short trips.
Looks like a fun wheel, i'd really like to try the Lynx !
it really was, honestly I'm already thinking of selling the ShermS for a Lynx! I'll be sensible and wait for a test ride. sooo much $$$
That's what i'm afraid of as well, i LOVE my SS but i have no backup euc. The Veteran Lynx is my new choice over the Patton because they're so close in performance. love this format GREAT WORK GOOD REVIEW!
Thanks Darren! I'm hoping the Lynx is just a faster 20" version of the Lynx in terms of torque feel. I don't expect to be bonking curbs the same way as the Patton.
was it harder to turn with the knobby tire? ... awesome video!!
Surprisingly it was easy to turn. The wheel either goes straight or naturally tips over into a turn but It wasn't normal for me. My ShermanS Street tyre is extremely linear and precise.
Hope that helps, cheers!
About braking.. I am scared of braking on my wheel, I feel like I don't know where the limit is and I'll fall to my back. Do wheels commonly adjust the tilt angle, as in dynamic tilt but forwards when braking too hard?
i've over braked my Sherman S. What happens is the motor is overpowered which means the magnets start slipping. So the wheel can't remain properly upright and starts to sag backwards. It still has resistance and it was easy to recover each time.
It required great force on the front handle so it shouldn't be an issue when braking without the handle.
hope that helps,
jono
Hi, do you plan to change your Sherman S to the Lynx? What's your attitude towards new 150-v wheel from Leaperkim? Do higher voltage really makes the difference? it has 150v but only 2700 wh battery whereas Sherman S sports 3600 wh. Im on the fence now
Hey, pogo that's the question I'm currently tackling.
I'm 'almost' thinking of pre selling my Sherman S.
here is some reasons:
It seems higher voltage wheels tend to be easier to accelerate and brake making them more like magic carpets and effortless.
The battery hit is the major drawback which isn't a problem for the VAST majority of my riding. I like to go fast to where I'm going and typically only use 50% of the SS battery. Luckily as a relatively light rider my batter use is somewhat decent in that regard.
*rough estimates*
My max battery rate on the SS is around 37wh/km giving range: 97km // 60miles
this very roughly translates to around 73km // 45miles range on the Lynx. Suitable for my use. And it's rare I'd actually ride that hard.
My actual SS range test got 110km // 68miles
The Lynx has a loss of more battery parallel packs reduces redundancy and the associated safety. (Perhaps someone can elaborate - I'm not confident in this area)
My whole outlook has shifted after my test ride on the Patton. It made it far more enjoyable to just ride. I'm hoping the Lynx has similar characteristics as the Patton but in a 20" form factor --> effortless power for acceleration and braking (I like to lean hard).
Progressive suspension vs SS Linear should improve comfort substantially.
Summary: the only reason for the SS over the Lynx IMO is for long range cruising, or less often charging.
Bad news, you'll want this wheel if the range isn't prohibitive for you haha
hope that helps
cheers, jono
@@jonoeuc most of the time I don't need all my sherman s battery too. But sometimes Im happy that its there. You know on the long and fan rides. But in a light of Lynx performance I think about changing my wheel. It weighs less, its zippier, better suspension, better battery management. At the same time the technology is very new, it needs time to be tested. I think it would be better for me to get Lynx instead of Sherman S next year. May be I'll choose 2 or 3 batch of the wheel
@@jonoeucLynx has way more range than that. More like 65+. Only two parallel sets of 36 batteries in series with absolutely awesome monitoring all the way down to individual cell.
❤ my patton
Nice review! and whats with all those cable ties on your bicycle helmet?
I'm in Australia where all the wild life is out to get us. This time of year the magpies swoop and hit you in the head! Those zip ties ward them off somewhat, cheers!
@@jonoeuc thats so interesting! If you had not mentioned it then I would have never guessed it haha! I trully learned something new today ✌️
👍
What are those reflectors, cool : D
the E-riderz ones on the back?! I only saw them during editing! Sadly I can't find them on the website.
I'm planning on selling my 16x which is my first and only wheel for a Patton or lynx. Feel like I would need to commute to work on the lynx to justify the cost
It's a tough one, If you put that pressure on your EUC purchase it takes some of the enjoyment out of it. Particularly if the weather is bad. my 2c
Love my Lynx!
Full of pleasure, in this video, i'think you 'll buy one of this beauty, isn' t ? 😁
It's got me rethinking the ShermS. Since it's too much range/battery/weight for my average distance needs.
Enjoy if you get one!
Hey Jon what’s on your helmet, looks like antennas?
haha yes, during spring in Australia there're territorial magpies (birds). To protect their nests they swoop down and smack riders in the head! The zipties ward them off and at least prevent the impact!
@@jonoeuc wow, actually very cool 😁
You are under geared. So kidding man, love your videos.
ah huh lol, shame because i would've liked to push to beeps.
cheers mate, appreciate it
hello friend from russia!
Thanks for the visit
Just don't brake that hard at full charge. You'll blow that controller
Good tip, ta
It is not small it is medium
That's the joke! coming from my daily ride (ShermanS) it *feels* extremely small and light.
Yea for anyone wanting an EUC lineup it fits in the Medium slot between your small V8s -> Patton -> ShermanS, EX30 etc edit: although the patton is a heavy medium thats for sure
cheers, jono
@@jonoeuc I came from a 16x and got the extreme and it feels big to me
How are you liking it? and did you get to try the Patton?
@jonpurcell6838 I never tried Patton. I went with the extreme because I like the way it look and the suspension travel. I have no regrets I love it so far
Common man.. first learn to ride before you try to do a video... No hard feelings
Valid point and I did take the fall because of the extreme time pressure. There was literally no time to learn and then film separately unfortunately.
I'd say there's value in seeing how quickly a rider can adjust to a new wheel.
I thought he rode it like a pro!