I love her comment about “professional excuse making.” I’m still an amateur, but I may get professional status someday. ;-) I also never thought of the Lord’s Prayer as being communal, which it is. Thank you for these thoughtful and insightful talks. They are very much appreciated.
The early church is fascinating, to me it’s all about Paul and the letters he wrote to the first churches how he as a Roman, converted to Christianly, and when he was imprisoned, he even converted the people who locked him up!, then of course his letters became some of the new testament as we know it today, an amazing set of events that setup the world. But should we imitate this? that is your question, the early seeds sown setup everything as we know it today, we should continue to spread the message, but how this is done, must be down to freedom of choice, I think the way it is supposed to be 😊
I really liked what you said and I must say I am drawn to this kind of living. I have had a small taste of this kind of living through my experience with Youth With A Mission (YWAM) many years ago, and in the secular world in the US armed forces. My military service came first at age 24 and being a Christian at that time it should have never happened. Military service is not for the follower of Jesus. Though I am concerned given the age we live in, which I believe we are at the edge of a "great falling away". This falling away will infiltrate every aspect of society including the church. How do you keep your leaders and fellow bruderites accountable to the word of G-d. I find it very hard to trust these days especially if one must turn over everything to the community as part of your commitment to the fellowship. I saw the US documentary on the Bruderhof where they interviewed the leader and relative of the founder of the Bruderhof and I have to say I wasn't left encouraged. Do you prayerfully appoint spiritual WATCHMEN over the community?
Thanks guys! I agree with what you say, but I think we need to remember that the early church had issues too (see Acts 6:1-6) and be sure not to idolise it as a perfect example to follow!
A nation or an ethnic group has evolving consciousness and that is driven by the unique problems and concerns that come up that drive history forward. Stripping a religion to one section of itself is never good.
Seems to me that what you're talking about is the monastics, a tradition that is unbroken from the beginning of Christianity. I love your lifestyle and think is much better than secular Christianity, but isn't the idea presented in the Gospel not about our fallen world, but the world to come, meaning we are not called to make heaven on Earth, Earth that is passing away anyways, and will be reborn at the parousia. Meaning the call is not a materialistic one but an inward transformation one that reverts our values based on a worldly culture. You see even Paul working a secular job, tent making, not necessarily living in a community, you see the apostles having houses, Peter keeping his boat, many early saints living a solitary life in the desert, etc.. Seems there is more than one way of baking a cake. God Bless you!
"we are not called to make heaven on Earth." Though not Christian per se, I see the call of Jesus to be very plain: The vision for a peaceable kingdom is "now". "Now" is all we've got! To bring this closer to home, "Democracy" is a vision we never will fully attain, yet it should not keep us from trying. The Bruderhof's sharing of material possessions is to be lauded. Their lifestyle is pro-"green"! Their way of life is not for everyone, as they themselves say. Yet theirs is a living experiment illustrating what can be but never is.
Is there a difference between intentional community and community resulting from being filled by the Spirit? In other words, is community a command given by God? Or should community naturally flow out of a love for Christ and a desire for his peace to rule in the world? Thank you for this video and your exploration into this area!
As I see it, "community" -whatever form it takes- is a natural by-product of human evolution. From hunter-gatherer to city-dwellers, we have found that mutual caring and cooperation positively impact not only our own lives but those of others' as well. Whether "God" commands sharing or not, the benefits are obvious. Sharing is a natural outcome of looking out not only for myself but for others as well. Our nation champions individualism. No wonder the idea of looking out for the other, wearing a mask for instance, irks a good portion of our population. The shortest sentence in the bible: Jesus wept.
@@melfros7100 I appreciate you pointing out the natural wisdom of community. Even in a nation that perhaps idolizes individualism, there is also the other side of the coin that values community seen in the sentiment of patriotism (or more extreme forms like nationalism). Whether or not that type of community is effective or not is another question, but I guess it supports the theory that we are naturally inclined towards community. I suppose my questions above then lead to ask what an effective community looks like - for which I believe the Bible has some good counsel
@@isaacstolpe3030 Thanks for your respone. The Bruderhof believes the Light of God (I prefer to speak of Mystery) resides in the hearts of all humans. This being the case, the Bhof could, potentially, be a living example of how people from divergent backgrounds and with different religious views ,Christian, Muslim, Agnostic, Gnostic, Buddhist, Free-thinker etc., can live together in peaceful cooperation. I don't know what you mean by "effective community". Struggling TOGETHER is both authentic and effective.
God bless you well I don't really live this way I believe the way your community lives is the way Christians are supposed to live. Peter
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But are all Christians called to live like the early church to keep salvation?
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The majority of the New Testament was written not to individuals but to local assemblies of Believers.
I love her comment about “professional excuse making.” I’m still an amateur, but I may get professional status someday. ;-) I also never thought of the Lord’s Prayer as being communal, which it is. Thank you for these thoughtful and insightful talks. They are very much appreciated.
Thank you!
The early church is fascinating, to me it’s all about Paul and the letters he wrote to the first churches how he as a Roman, converted to Christianly, and when he was imprisoned, he even converted the people who locked him up!, then of course his letters became some of the new testament as we know it today, an amazing set of events that setup the world.
But should we imitate this? that is your question, the early seeds sown setup everything as we know it today, we should continue to spread the message, but how this is done, must be down to freedom of choice, I think the way it is supposed to be 😊
This is a great and important discussion to be having!
I really liked what you said and I must say I am drawn to this kind of living. I have had a small taste of this kind of living through
my experience with Youth With A Mission (YWAM) many years ago, and in the secular world in the US armed forces. My military
service came first at age 24 and being a Christian at that time it should have never happened. Military service is not for the follower of Jesus. Though I am concerned given the age we live in, which I believe we are at the edge of a "great falling away".
This falling away will infiltrate every aspect of society including the church. How do you keep your leaders and fellow bruderites accountable to the word of G-d. I find it very hard to trust these days especially if one must turn over everything to the community
as part of your commitment to the fellowship. I saw the US documentary on the Bruderhof where they interviewed the leader and relative of the founder of the Bruderhof and I have to say I wasn't left encouraged. Do you prayerfully appoint spiritual WATCHMEN over the community?
Thanks guys! I agree with what you say, but I think we need to remember that the early church had issues too (see Acts 6:1-6) and be sure not to idolise it as a perfect example to follow!
Thanks it's reassuring that they had many of the same challenges we have today
A nation or an ethnic group has evolving consciousness and that is driven by the unique problems and concerns that come up that drive history forward. Stripping a religion to one section of itself is never good.
You are wonderful!
Seems to me that what you're talking about is the monastics, a tradition that is unbroken from the beginning of Christianity. I love your lifestyle and think is much better than secular Christianity, but isn't the idea presented in the Gospel not about our fallen world, but the world to come, meaning we are not called to make heaven on Earth, Earth that is passing away anyways, and will be reborn at the parousia. Meaning the call is not a materialistic one but an inward transformation one that reverts our values based on a worldly culture. You see even Paul working a secular job, tent making, not necessarily living in a community, you see the apostles having houses, Peter keeping his boat, many early saints living a solitary life in the desert, etc.. Seems there is more than one way of baking a cake.
God Bless you!
Thanks for the comment! Will discuss in our wrap-up video.
"we are not called to make heaven on Earth." Though not Christian per se, I see the call of Jesus to be very plain: The vision for a peaceable kingdom is "now". "Now" is all we've got! To bring this closer to home, "Democracy" is a vision we never will fully attain, yet it should not keep us from trying. The Bruderhof's sharing of material possessions is to be lauded. Their lifestyle is pro-"green"! Their way of life is not for everyone, as they themselves say. Yet theirs is a living experiment illustrating what can be but never is.
Is there a difference between intentional community and community resulting from being filled by the Spirit? In other words, is community a command given by God? Or should community naturally flow out of a love for Christ and a desire for his peace to rule in the world? Thank you for this video and your exploration into this area!
Great question! We'll talk about it in our wrap-up video at the end of the series.
As I see it, "community" -whatever form it takes- is a natural by-product of human evolution. From hunter-gatherer to city-dwellers, we have found that mutual caring and cooperation positively impact not only our own lives but those of others' as well. Whether "God" commands sharing or not, the benefits are obvious. Sharing is a natural outcome of looking out not only for myself but for others as well. Our nation champions individualism. No wonder the idea of looking out for the other, wearing a mask for instance, irks a good portion of our population. The shortest sentence in the bible: Jesus wept.
@@melfros7100 I appreciate you pointing out the natural wisdom of community. Even in a nation that perhaps idolizes individualism, there is also the other side of the coin that values community seen in the sentiment of patriotism (or more extreme forms like nationalism). Whether or not that type of community is effective or not is another question, but I guess it supports the theory that we are naturally inclined towards community. I suppose my questions above then lead to ask what an effective community looks like - for which I believe the Bible has some good counsel
@@isaacstolpe3030 Thanks for your respone. The Bruderhof believes the Light of God (I prefer to speak of Mystery) resides in the hearts of all humans. This being the case, the Bhof could, potentially, be a living example of how people from divergent backgrounds and with different religious views ,Christian, Muslim, Agnostic, Gnostic, Buddhist, Free-thinker etc., can live together in peaceful cooperation. I don't know what you mean by "effective community". Struggling TOGETHER is both authentic and effective.
The early kahal was Jewish..... yet you throw that away like trash