Love this show, but it makes my head hurt. 😂 The relationship btwn Jo and Alice is so heartbreaking and also heartwarming. I want Swedish speaking Alice and Jo to reunite! Alice even asked Alice if she could have her back…😢
Red Jo reuniting with Red Alice would be nice but would mean that Blue Alice is left without a mom. So, there is probably no way for a purely happy conclusion to this story. There's several ways they can take this -- from the more tragic (one Alice dies), through the sad (one Alice is left motherless), all the way to the bittersweet (some sort of a joint life where Jo is either living with both or alternating between realities to spend time with both) i have a feeling they will go with the bittersweet ending, simply judging by the end of this episode (7) alone.
@@Klayhamn If they somehow master the ability to go to liminal space, perhaps they can both exist there with Jo at the same time. Maybe even bridge it further. Now what they haven't covered yet is the helicopter scene where Jo's husband was suddenly by himself. He apparently jumped universes at least once and he also had the head injury above the left eye; something that also happened to Bud or Henry. If you think about it, this whole thing with the left eye and the blue like is like the Eye of Odin/Children of Oberon arc of Disney's Gargoyles in a way. Anyone who was traveling with the CAL for any significant amount of time was exposed to it's energy rays when it was active. This would explain why the other crewmates on Jo's mission never jumped universes, but Jo's husband and daughter did, because Jo transported the CAL in her car while Alice was in the backseat and Jo's husband was exposed when she came back from space and Henry saw the unit was running here on earth on the ground. But, the black lady with Henry was near it at that time too.
there's nothing about either of the Alice's (or any character for that matter) that would make them "original" vs. "other". both are equally real and "original". the proper terms are blue and red alice (after the color of their car)
Yes, this makes sense. We were more referring to the “originals” as those in the timeline we were first introduced to, but I can definitely see how using red/blue makes it easier to distinguish
I think so, but the problem is their timelines are diverging. There's a 2 year gap between the different versions of the moms, but she didn't realize. That doesn't make sense given Bud and Henry didn't have a timeshift gap. I originally had the theory that the daughter who lost her mom will learn more about the CAL and in the future rebuild it again and become an astronaut to use it to time travel back to save her mom using the duality principle. Problem is something goes wrong timing-wise and she oversh00ts and ends up in Henry's era and becomes the female cosmonaut. The depressurization event was probably her arriving. If they were able to use the time travel aspect of the CAL, then the mom could warn the crew about the collision before it happens and that would prevent the one version of her that passed away. Paul would be alive and Bud's mission failure wouldn't happen b/c Valva wouldn't need to come back in time to save her mom anymore (no depressurization. Alice see the daed cosmonaut because she's seeing her future self.
The Alice’s switched at the same moment Bud and Henry did. Blue Alice’s death triggered both switches. One second Red Alice is telling Jo in the mirror that she’s cold, sleepy and scared, then she’s standing there showing Jo the necklace. The Alice showing Jo the necklace is the body of Red Alice with Blue Alice’s consciousness. Watch the weird way she says “but I’m your Alice”.. I think she calls her momma because she realizes they switched and she wants Jo to want her. But when Jo tells her to go to her dad she walks away knowing that she’s letting Red Alice have her mamma back and is accepting that her “mommy” is dead. Jo resurrects Blue Alice’s body with Red Alice’s consciousness. Also, watch the hospital scene again, in her dream Alice acts scared of Valya, like she’s never seen her before. Blue Alice said she’s seen her many times, they’ve spoken and she even made a drawling of her. Valya also asked Alice if she wants to see her “Mamma” then says “come with me, and I’ll take you to your mamma” both times saying “mamma”, not mommy. When Alice wakes up, she doesn’t ask about mommy or mamma, she just says “where is she” and “we have to get her back”…
About the namne Valya... Valya is the russian diminutive (nickname) for Valentina. There's a short scene in episode 3 in which Henry calls Irena "Valya" which makes no sense, as the diminutive for Irena is Ira. Valentina is also the first name of the real first soviet female astronaut, Valentina Tereshkova, who is an obvious model for Irena's character. How all of this is connected, I've no idea.
Because the first man in space wasn't that Russian guy our history books list. He was 2nd. The 1st Russian died either in orbit due to suffocating or in the landing. Russia hid all evidence of him existing and made the 2nd act like he was the 1st man to orbit earth. He didn't want to play along, but he was also too high profile to kyll during the space race. The orbiting female cosmonaut is a callback to the guy left in orbit.
I loved this episode my mind was blown my heart was ripped out of my chest too. I was screaming at my monitor for Jo to go back to her original reality some how and just bring other alice and give her CPR there. I wanted so bad for there to be 2 magnuses and 2 alices and 1 Jo bumping into eachother T_T. I think next episode we're gonna learn about Irena and Irene's past and how they are both the Valya alive and as a ghost that haunts alice
I think during the conversation that Jo had with Alice about the CAL, there was a jump that we didn’t realize. Jo jusr said how she didn’t know about the CAL or what it does, but then her next sentence, she knows. Very similar to how she doesn’t know how to play a piano, then all of a sudden she does.
wasn't the nature of the device explained to her by Henry? i don't recall not remembering it at (or before) the accident is one thing, but it doesn't mean she can't learn its purpose afterwards once she encounters it but i do agree that they're starting to lean more into the concept of Jo alternating between versions of herself --- i believe it happens in the end of the episode when Jo switches from caring for Red Alice to caring for Blue Alice as she's trying to resuscitate her. there's also apparently a part where she rubs her eye (which is where Blue Jo was hurt when she died)
I watch several breakdown channels for different perspectives. First, most do refer to the Alices as Blue Alice & Red Alice. The same goes for Jo. What I learned from you is that it’s red Alice experiencing the Valya - inviting Alice to go with her to where her mother is. The cosmonaut’s desiccated appearance doesn’t invoke trust. I thought blue Alice was having a dream in her hospital bed because, when she awoke, her first question was “where is she?” Magnus told her Irena Lysenko took Jo to a place where she can be helped. Hopefully Irena/Irene want only a good outcome. Red & Blue Alices are “2 sides of the same coin”sharing the same inner messages. When I saw Jo injured in episode 6, I decided that she was actually in a coma, due to her breathing. Paul failed to accurately convey to ground command that he heard her breathing. He was afraid. Could it be that this entire series is comatose Jo’s dream, since her space mission was 2 years before the next one? Maybe she actually returned to earth with Paul, in a comatose state🤔 A far fetched idea I know, but possible. What is real?
I think so many of us are taking such a deep dive into this show that we’re missing simple clues and details - The Valya is Jo. Let’s call them “Supernatural Jo.” Anyone else with me?
I really enjoy the show but I think it would get stale if we had another season playing in the same topics and circumstances. The other big question for me is the timeline. One time line is in 2021 and the other is on 2023....why are the timelines 2 years apart? I've only seen this addressed on one other video
why are they 2 years apart seems (to me) to be related to time moving slightly faster in one vs. the other this also might explain why the clock suddenly sped up in the space station for Jo.
The cabin as the liminal space seems most likely, although Bud on the ship and Bud in his crap apartment don’t seem to be the same Bud and that bothers me. BTW not a space shuttle, this is Apollo so it’s Saturn 5 powered and they returned in a capsule. 1977 according to an earlier episode.
i believe Bud on the Ship and Bud in the Apartment is the same bud in two different times (2021 vs 2023) - since the two realities are offset by 2 years it makes sense
At present I think I think we are shown Bud losing it on the ship as an event that happens before Bud in the crap apartment. So while he gets away with murder, the whole thing finally trashes his reputation and he retreats further into depression and alcoholism. What bothers me is that I think we’ve seen two Henry’s - main Henry who took his pills and threw himself into his work and that more sinister Henry Jo saw sat at a desk in an earlier episode. Of course we could just be seeing Henry at different points too.
If the writers are staying true to Schrödinger then two realities and the liminal space makes this make sense. I haven’t paid this much attention to TV since Twin Peaks 😂😂😂
This was one of the worst, most annoying, terribly written, directed, and edited hour of television I have ever seen. People didn't act like a human should. Example, woman's daughter runs off in a snowstorm. Mother literally sits on snow ground, for 10 secs, yelling after her. Not getting up and running after her. WTF? Also, house on fire.... woman walks slowly down a hallway, like nothing dangerous is happening. This kind of crap was happening the entire episode.... so idiotic. Then you have the tape recorder back and forth... which makes no sense, in any context. I have never stopped watching a show so close before the end until now.. Jesus it was terrible.
The cal does exist where paul is... They said in the debrief...they shut it down 12 years ago... however..the show sucks .. we wont get answers until season 3.. seems to be yhe new trend these days... A whole season of confusion...
Love this show, but it makes my head hurt. 😂 The relationship btwn Jo and Alice is so heartbreaking and also heartwarming. I want Swedish speaking Alice and Jo to reunite! Alice even asked Alice if she could have her back…😢
Red Jo reuniting with Red Alice would be nice but would mean that Blue Alice is left without a mom.
So, there is probably no way for a purely happy conclusion to this story.
There's several ways they can take this -- from the more tragic (one Alice dies), through the sad (one Alice is left motherless), all the way to the bittersweet (some sort of a joint life where Jo is either living with both or alternating between realities to spend time with both)
i have a feeling they will go with the bittersweet ending, simply judging by the end of this episode (7) alone.
My head is breaking lol
@@Klayhamnusing red and blue to separate the two is BRILLIANT thank you lol
@@Klayhamn If they somehow master the ability to go to liminal space, perhaps they can both exist there with Jo at the same time. Maybe even bridge it further. Now what they haven't covered yet is the helicopter scene where Jo's husband was suddenly by himself. He apparently jumped universes at least once and he also had the head injury above the left eye; something that also happened to Bud or Henry.
If you think about it, this whole thing with the left eye and the blue like is like the Eye of Odin/Children of Oberon arc of Disney's Gargoyles in a way. Anyone who was traveling with the CAL for any significant amount of time was exposed to it's energy rays when it was active. This would explain why the other crewmates on Jo's mission never jumped universes, but Jo's husband and daughter did, because Jo transported the CAL in her car while Alice was in the backseat and Jo's husband was exposed when she came back from space and Henry saw the unit was running here on earth on the ground. But, the black lady with Henry was near it at that time too.
there's nothing about either of the Alice's (or any character for that matter) that would make them "original" vs. "other".
both are equally real and "original".
the proper terms are blue and red alice (after the color of their car)
Yes, this makes sense. We were more referring to the “originals” as those in the timeline we were first introduced to, but I can definitely see how using red/blue makes it easier to distinguish
@@SceneInvadersJules we were actually introduced to both timelines in the beginning , if you look carefully
I think so, but the problem is their timelines are diverging. There's a 2 year gap between the different versions of the moms, but she didn't realize. That doesn't make sense given Bud and Henry didn't have a timeshift gap.
I originally had the theory that the daughter who lost her mom will learn more about the CAL and in the future rebuild it again and become an astronaut to use it to time travel back to save her mom using the duality principle. Problem is something goes wrong timing-wise and she oversh00ts and ends up in Henry's era and becomes the female cosmonaut. The depressurization event was probably her arriving.
If they were able to use the time travel aspect of the CAL, then the mom could warn the crew about the collision before it happens and that would prevent the one version of her that passed away. Paul would be alive and Bud's mission failure wouldn't happen b/c Valva wouldn't need to come back in time to save her mom anymore (no depressurization.
Alice see the daed cosmonaut because she's seeing her future self.
@@jinneasbushindo7554 I love this theory, very interesting!
Yeah, this episode blew my mind again. I love how the two realities are bleeding into each other.
Dan was sick this week. Will be back for the finale. How did you like this episode?
The Alice’s switched at the same moment Bud and Henry did. Blue Alice’s death triggered both switches.
One second Red Alice is telling Jo in the mirror that she’s cold, sleepy and scared, then she’s standing there showing Jo the necklace.
The Alice showing Jo the necklace is the body of Red Alice with Blue Alice’s consciousness. Watch the weird way she says “but I’m your Alice”..
I think she calls her momma because she realizes they switched and she wants Jo to want her. But when Jo tells her to go to her dad she walks away knowing that she’s letting Red Alice have her mamma back and is accepting that her “mommy” is dead.
Jo resurrects Blue Alice’s body with Red Alice’s consciousness.
Also, watch the hospital scene again, in her dream Alice acts scared of Valya, like she’s never seen her before. Blue Alice said she’s seen her many times, they’ve spoken and she even made a drawling of her. Valya also asked Alice if she wants to see her “Mamma” then says “come with me, and I’ll take you to your mamma” both times saying “mamma”, not mommy.
When Alice wakes up, she doesn’t ask about mommy or mamma, she just says “where is she” and “we have to get her back”…
About the namne Valya... Valya is the russian diminutive (nickname) for Valentina. There's a short scene in episode 3 in which Henry calls Irena "Valya" which makes no sense, as the diminutive for Irena is Ira. Valentina is also the first name of the real first soviet female astronaut, Valentina Tereshkova, who is an obvious model for Irena's character. How all of this is connected, I've no idea.
Because the first man in space wasn't that Russian guy our history books list. He was 2nd. The 1st Russian died either in orbit due to suffocating or in the landing. Russia hid all evidence of him existing and made the 2nd act like he was the 1st man to orbit earth. He didn't want to play along, but he was also too high profile to kyll during the space race. The orbiting female cosmonaut is a callback to the guy left in orbit.
I loved this episode my mind was blown my heart was ripped out of my chest too. I was screaming at my monitor for Jo to go back to her original reality some how and just bring other alice and give her CPR there. I wanted so bad for there to be 2 magnuses and 2 alices and 1 Jo bumping into eachother T_T. I think next episode we're gonna learn about Irena and Irene's past and how they are both the Valya alive and as a ghost that haunts alice
I think during the conversation that Jo had with Alice about the CAL, there was a jump that we didn’t realize. Jo jusr said how she didn’t know about the CAL or what it does, but then her next sentence, she knows. Very similar to how she doesn’t know how to play a piano, then all of a sudden she does.
wasn't the nature of the device explained to her by Henry? i don't recall
not remembering it at (or before) the accident is one thing, but it doesn't mean she can't learn its purpose afterwards once she encounters it
but i do agree that they're starting to lean more into the concept of Jo alternating between versions of herself --- i believe it happens in the end of the episode when Jo switches from caring for Red Alice to caring for Blue Alice as she's trying to resuscitate her.
there's also apparently a part where she rubs her eye (which is where Blue Jo was hurt when she died)
@@Klayhamn think you’re right, ep4
Paul will press the button not Jo on Iss
@@BoydernUpland idk.. I think dead Jo will.
@@Klayhamnooooh good catch with the eye!
I watch several breakdown channels for different perspectives. First, most do refer to the Alices as Blue Alice & Red Alice. The same goes for Jo. What I learned from you is that it’s red Alice experiencing the Valya - inviting Alice to go with her to where her mother is. The cosmonaut’s desiccated appearance doesn’t invoke trust. I thought blue Alice was having a dream in her hospital bed because, when she awoke, her first question was “where is she?” Magnus told her Irena Lysenko took Jo to a place where she can be helped. Hopefully Irena/Irene want only a good outcome. Red & Blue Alices are “2 sides of the same coin”sharing the same inner messages. When I saw Jo injured in episode 6, I decided that she was actually in a coma, due to her breathing. Paul failed to accurately convey to ground command that he heard her breathing. He was afraid. Could it be that this entire series is comatose Jo’s dream, since her space mission was 2 years before the next one? Maybe she actually returned to earth with Paul, in a comatose state🤔 A far fetched idea I know, but possible. What is real?
at end of it all, all Jo's (1 thru 10+) will have to unite to save the day
I think so many of us are taking such a deep dive into this show that we’re missing simple clues and details - The Valya is Jo. Let’s call them “Supernatural Jo.” Anyone else with me?
but the Valya is Irena
Thanks for the commentary. I agree with, and like, everything you say.
I agree that Jo would be back in her reality by the end of the season. She will be the alone cosmonaut mentioned early in the season.
I really enjoy the show but I think it would get stale if we had another season playing in the same topics and circumstances. The other big question for me is the timeline. One time line is in 2021 and the other is on 2023....why are the timelines 2 years apart? I've only seen this addressed on one other video
why are they 2 years apart seems (to me) to be related to time moving slightly faster in one vs. the other
this also might explain why the clock suddenly sped up in the space station for Jo.
@@JMO77UK I agree that was my exact thought. The Bud accident delayed the space program 2 years
The cabin as the liminal space seems most likely, although Bud on the ship and Bud in his crap apartment don’t seem to be the same Bud and that bothers me. BTW not a space shuttle, this is Apollo so it’s Saturn 5 powered and they returned in a capsule. 1977 according to an earlier episode.
i believe Bud on the Ship and Bud in the Apartment is the same bud in two different times (2021 vs 2023) - since the two realities are offset by 2 years it makes sense
At present I think I think we are shown Bud losing it on the ship as an event that happens before Bud in the crap apartment. So while he gets away with murder, the whole thing finally trashes his reputation and he retreats further into depression and alcoholism. What bothers me is that I think we’ve seen two Henry’s - main Henry who took his pills and threw himself into his work and that more sinister Henry Jo saw sat at a desk in an earlier episode. Of course we could just be seeing Henry at different points too.
If the writers are staying true to Schrödinger then two realities and the liminal space makes this make sense. I haven’t paid this much attention to TV since Twin Peaks 😂😂😂
Inside dream Alice, Henry/Bud are in another timeline in the other reality.
This was one of the worst, most annoying, terribly written, directed, and edited hour of television I have ever seen. People didn't act like a human should.
Example, woman's daughter runs off in a snowstorm. Mother literally sits on snow ground, for 10 secs, yelling after her. Not getting up and running after her. WTF?
Also, house on fire.... woman walks slowly down a hallway, like nothing dangerous is happening. This kind of crap was happening the entire episode.... so idiotic. Then you have the tape recorder back and forth... which makes no sense, in any context.
I have never stopped watching a show so close before the end until now..
Jesus it was terrible.
This episode was hard to take. Whole pages of dialog reading "Alice!", "Momma!", "Alice!", "Momma!".
Alice, original Alice, other Alice, so confusing, why don't you just call them Blue and Red Alice like everyone else?
That makes sense! Thanks for the suggestion
The cal does exist where paul is... They said in the debrief...they shut it down 12 years ago... however..the show sucks .. we wont get answers until season 3.. seems to be yhe new trend these days... A whole season of confusion...
westworld was far more slow paced than this one... cmon, let's be realistic
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