From a historical standpoint the Saxons and Vikings are basically the same. They were both known as raiders and even share common ancestry. I expected similarities between them.
Saxons and Norse are culturally different. Both groups actually hated eachother. If you read up on it, during the raids and colonization of Britannia, they found that the Norse did ethnic cleansing against the saxons as evident from mass graves. They might have shared a common ancestor and worshiped similar gods ie. Odin for Norse, Woden for Saxons... but both did become culturally different overtime. Its like trying to say the Normans are Norse because their ancestors came from Scandinavia, however Normans essentially became frenchified, by giving up their culture and religion for Frankish land.
thank you, it is great that CA allowed for some youtubers to try out the game before release, that way I can know better what exactly I am going to buy, that helps forseen some fiasco/ripoff like rome 2 or AC unity. This practice of letting some people to review a game with some experienced opinion on the game should be more frequent in this deceiving industry.
Roberto Yepes Yes, some people see it as unfair, but I think they should be happy. The big review sites can't be trusted anymore as they lack any knowledge about most games. For example, some review stated that the game was too difficult. Just, wow.
I don't know why'd you expect them to be so much different from the Saxons or the Franks, they are more or less the same people. They have the same culture, same religion, same ethnicity, same buildings, same military culture etc. so it is kind of good to see they are not too different from them, cause they're not supposed to. These are Viking Forefathers, not Vikings, and even later Vikings wouldn't be that different, the only buildings that would be unique would be the Staff-churches from the early Christians/Half-pagans in Sweden and Norway (not sure about Denmark). The differences in Culture from these and Saxons/Franks were in reality pretty minor.
NordiskHeidning I was hoping for at least a bit more diversity between the norse factions. Not even viking units, maybe just a couple of different germanic units. For example, the difference between other germanic factions is a lot bigger.
Yeah, the reason for that is quite obvious, the migrations of the Germanic factions causes that split between those who stayed and those who left. Some have already converted to Christianity. I can't even come up with any units other than those being there, changing the name and armour a bit isn't really giving them "more units". Also the ships aren't that strong compared to the bigger ships in the Mediterranean, the difference mostly lies in speed and boarding capability.
I do not care much for historical accuracy, this is a game based on history but that does not mean everything have to be by the book. I won't recreate history with this game, I will make history with this game. This is my opinion, if you want to play the game because you want to recreate historically accurate battles you are free to do so. I even wish they'd have created Total War Lord of the Rings style game. :P
Mostly of your opinions are agreeable.This dlc is so dissapointing but i am not so over hyped over about it.It is sad for my nordic friends who are looking forward to this unfinished dlc as if like CA is slapping their lazy work to their face.Thankfully , the modders will do something about it.
***** Cool that sounds good... The huscarls should be one of those units... Viking shields were pretty big,but light and flimsy and easy to break, but they were used to great effect in melee and could block some arrows.
I just realised you why I like your TW channel so much.... You play with the icons off ! So do I. It forces me to zoom in when I play the battles and I find when I watch most TW channels they play the game SOO far out that all I can see is some square icons charging a triangle icon... It annoys me so much. I would like to play a multiplayer campaign with someone who plays icons off but I live in Australia which is too far away for good connection. Dam.
Are you from India? :-) or is my accent hearing totally off this time ^^ But Honestly i was not excepting nothing major compared to Saxons. Same people after all. Saxons just moved more. Not including how Vikings moved, because these aren't Vikings, yet.
what should a guy like me living in a place with no access to the official total war games nor ability to buy the games online :( should I download a pirated version or die in agony ps: i LOVE the total war series !
***** But to be fair, the longboats, and even the norse as seafaring people didn't really begin until 700. I'd expect them to have strong infantry, maybe some strong ships just as a nod towards what they'll become, but they shouldn't be considered a sea-focused people, yet. Great review, though!
You are surprised Germans are like other Germans? If you are expecting Vikings you are like 300 years early, even a lot of the unique stuff they have is not very historical. The real laugh is that the Angles have been ignored in favour of Jutes just so they can have this historical misnomer "viking forefathers" tagline. Truth is you are not going to get loads of different units from the same culture. Most of the "barbarians" involved in the events are of the same culture, Germanic. CA are really pumping in lots of ahistorical units already to try and differentiate the factions, and you want more? If they really want all this stuff the should have set the game in the early middle ages when all the differentiation actually happened, rather than giving random stuff to factions just because their descendants had them hundreds of years later.
Well they would just be making more stuff up. The entire Northwest German people (which is most of them) would be fighting in the same way, and there is no sources for any little differences there might have been. There should only really be 2 different Germanic Cultures in this time period, east (Goths etc) and west (Franks, Saxons, "vikings" etc). The terminology is so bad. I mean the Saxons were not Nordic. So even if you want to make the split between West German and North German (aka Nordic) happen early why would you make Saxons Nordic? But then they make the split again by having "viking" units for the people that would go on to later become Nordic, so why not call them Nordic? Viking is an old Norse term, a language that won't exist for a couple of centuries, and whatever its predecessor was in describing a sea-raider describes Saxons more accurately. It was the Saxons, Angles, Jutes and Frisians who were the great seafarers of the time period going and conquering England, not the Danes. But of course it is all about money, Vikings sell so they just cram it in there. Really going by what happened in the games time period and the evidence there is for different "units" etc only the Jutes really deserves to be a playable faction (we hear nothing about Geats until 100 years later and all the Danes did was supposedly chase the Heruli out of Zealand 200 years earlier), and the Jutes were really similar to the Angles and the Saxons. When you consider the factions we will probably never get that would actually be interesting and did stuff at the time it is a real joke.
Why do you keep saying vikings? They are not viking at all.!? From an archaeological standpoint they were nearly the same as the other germanic tribes. no big difference. And hats why they have the same loadout as the saxons.
Marc Miltz Because the Dlc is called Viking Forefathers and the word vikings is much easier to say than forefathers. :p I know why they have the same, but some unique units would be cool,even unique germanic units.
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Very nice video, Really informative and loved how you displayed the unit in game while talking about their unit card in lobby.
DarkAngel2796 Great to hear, thanks :)
From a historical standpoint the Saxons and Vikings are basically the same. They were both known as raiders and even share common ancestry. I expected similarities between them.
Saxons and Norse are culturally different. Both groups actually hated eachother. If you read up on it, during the raids and colonization of Britannia, they found that the Norse did ethnic cleansing against the saxons as evident from mass graves.
They might have shared a common ancestor and worshiped similar gods ie. Odin for Norse, Woden for Saxons... but both did become culturally different overtime. Its like trying to say the Normans are Norse because their ancestors came from Scandinavia, however Normans essentially became frenchified, by giving up their culture and religion for Frankish land.
@@VossMarionette yes but both are germanic
@@hippokrates4494 And Russians and Spanish are both European.
This is what i was really afraid of. CA releasing factions with no drastically different rosters from the pre-existing barbarian factions.
Ah welll...
So sad, Vikings could have been my favorite faction.
Thanks for the reviews
Mohamad Doghman No problem, thanks for watching!
Well said :D and agree completely
RemusRomulas Thanks!
You didn't complain about how similar the gothic faction rosters are even though they only have about 2 different units
Thanks for this. Great detail.
DarKcS2 Thanks for the positive feedback!
You gave me great detail about htis DLC .. Thank You So much ..
sss363 Thanks for the kind words!
Nice review, thank you.
Thanks for the video. I know I won't be preordering now, I can't believe I was tempted, I should have learned from Rome 2!
Natdaprat Glad to hear that you found it useful.
thank you, it is great that CA allowed for some youtubers to try out the game before release, that way I can know better what exactly I am going to buy, that helps forseen some fiasco/ripoff like rome 2 or AC unity. This practice of letting some people to review a game with some experienced opinion on the game should be more frequent in this deceiving industry.
Roberto Yepes Yes, some people see it as unfair, but I think they should be happy. The big review sites can't be trusted anymore as they lack any knowledge about most games. For example, some review stated that the game was too difficult. Just, wow.
Are you going to pre-order? Or do you wait a little longer? What do you think with the of the vikings?
As much as I want to bury Jutish axes into the skulls of my enemies i don't think I'm going to pre order or even buy til a review comes out
FlashGrapes A review is already out. check out IGN and you will find it :)
Cool thanks :)
PLS Slavic campaign :(
***** Thanks for watching!
Very good review.
johann sebastian bach Thanks for the positive feedback!
I don't know why'd you expect them to be so much different from the Saxons or the Franks, they are more or less the same people. They have the same culture, same religion, same ethnicity, same buildings, same military culture etc. so it is kind of good to see they are not too different from them, cause they're not supposed to. These are Viking Forefathers, not Vikings, and even later Vikings wouldn't be that different, the only buildings that would be unique would be the Staff-churches from the early Christians/Half-pagans in Sweden and Norway (not sure about Denmark). The differences in Culture from these and Saxons/Franks were in reality pretty minor.
NordiskHeidning I was hoping for at least a bit more diversity between the norse factions. Not even viking units, maybe just a couple of different germanic units. For example, the difference between other germanic factions is a lot bigger.
Yeah, the reason for that is quite obvious, the migrations of the Germanic factions causes that split between those who stayed and those who left. Some have already converted to Christianity. I can't even come up with any units other than those being there, changing the name and armour a bit isn't really giving them "more units". Also the ships aren't that strong compared to the bigger ships in the Mediterranean, the difference mostly lies in speed and boarding capability.
I do not care much for historical accuracy, this is a game based on history but that does not mean everything have to be by the book. I won't recreate history with this game, I will make history with this game. This is my opinion, if you want to play the game because you want to recreate historically accurate battles you are free to do so. I even wish they'd have created Total War Lord of the Rings style game. :P
Who ready for a new blood and Gore pack....
Ian Materkowski I'm ready! Will probably take 2 months though!
Mostly of your opinions are agreeable.This dlc is so dissapointing but i am not so over hyped over about it.It is sad for my nordic friends who are looking forward to this unfinished dlc as if like CA is slapping their lazy work to their face.Thankfully , the modders will do something about it.
MathemedicUpdates I wouldn't say that it's unfinished. Just below my expectations.
Nice, thanks for this! I didn't buy the game yet but I will for sure.
kirschakos Good to hear, thanks for the kind words!
***** you are welcome. I suscribed to your channel because I liked the videos anyway:) I love Rome 2 and this looks also great.
can we start to call them as they are named? maybe "the forefathers " to make it shorter if you really want.
Aren't the vikings shields kind of small? I mean i know they are the forefathers, but still...
Ace Hammerheart Depends on the unit, some other units that I didn't show have bigger shields.
***** Cool that sounds good... The huscarls should be one of those units... Viking shields were pretty big,but light and flimsy and easy to break, but they were used to great effect in melee and could block some arrows.
viking dlc without norway....
I have a question if you dont buy the DLC can you still fight againsts those units in campaign against the NPCs?
RalphyGreene Yes
Why do you play without shadows, ambient occlusion, etc.. the marines in the intro looked so weird without proper lightning :) It only cost 4-5fps ;)
johann sebastian bach Because recording with this game is challenging sometimes. I want to maintain good quality and FPS in my videos.
so. no longboats -.- But yeah it do says viking "forefathers" but I hope there will be a mod in the future adding this, good vid though! :)
socca blau There is always hope where there are mods.
Longboats didn't show up before 700 or so.
Anders Weiskvist Ja jag vet men dem är ändå riktigt badass!
Hate the cut content, but love the faction traits.
I just realised you why I like your TW channel so much.... You play with the icons off ! So do I. It forces me to zoom in when I play the battles and I find when I watch most TW channels they play the game SOO far out that all I can see is some square icons charging a triangle icon... It annoys me so much.
I would like to play a multiplayer campaign with someone who plays icons off but I live in Australia which is too far away for good connection. Dam.
rawnukles I'm glad that you like it!
Thank you for the nice review! Are you Dutch btw? (your English sounds like having a Dutch accent ;-) )
***** Thanks, yep.
Are you from India? :-) or is my accent hearing totally off this time ^^
But Honestly i was not excepting nothing major compared to Saxons. Same people after all. Saxons just moved more. Not including how Vikings moved, because these aren't Vikings, yet.
+Jin- To me as a Swede his enlish sounded the way Danish people talk enlish. I would bet money on him being a Dane.
Nicklas Källman kinda late but i think its north west europe.
what should a guy like me living in a place with no access to the official total war games nor ability to buy the games online :(
should I download a pirated version or die in agony
ps: i LOVE the total war series !
no access to the official total war games nor ability to buy the games online
no credit possibility
THIRD F***ING WORLD
***** any suggestions on a repack ;)
Saxons it is :)
lol it's funny sence darren is now working at CA your taking his place for dlc reviews
tyler Sjoberg Darren is actually a good friend of mine. These videos are not meant to take his place, haha. His way of doing it is different
I know, I didn't see it as an asshole comment, don't worry. :p Thanks.
Total War Attlia give-away?
ccadd30 Buy it yourself! :P
yeah I totally agree with you, vikings should have own skill tree and unique units and ships
Alx Cross Thanks for watching!
To be fair, the Alans have more ships than the Vikings. Their naval units won't necessarily be superior to the Viking ships.
Playin' COD w/ Assad No, they also have better ships. You can already see that when looking at the prices.
***** But to be fair, the longboats, and even the norse as seafaring people didn't really begin until 700. I'd expect them to have strong infantry, maybe some strong ships just as a nod towards what they'll become, but they shouldn't be considered a sea-focused people, yet. Great review, though!
1,87€ in the Humble Store right now. :)
You are surprised Germans are like other Germans?
If you are expecting Vikings you are like 300 years early, even a lot of the unique stuff they have is not very historical. The real laugh is that the Angles have been ignored in favour of Jutes just so they can have this historical misnomer "viking forefathers" tagline. Truth is you are not going to get loads of different units from the same culture. Most of the "barbarians" involved in the events are of the same culture, Germanic. CA are really pumping in lots of ahistorical units already to try and differentiate the factions, and you want more? If they really want all this stuff the should have set the game in the early middle ages when all the differentiation actually happened, rather than giving random stuff to factions just because their descendants had them hundreds of years later.
DoddyIshamel No, I just hoped they would get more unique units, not viking units in general. Maybe some unique germanic unit at last.
Well they would just be making more stuff up. The entire Northwest German people (which is most of them) would be fighting in the same way, and there is no sources for any little differences there might have been. There should only really be 2 different Germanic Cultures in this time period, east (Goths etc) and west (Franks, Saxons, "vikings" etc).
The terminology is so bad. I mean the Saxons were not Nordic. So even if you want to make the split between West German and North German (aka Nordic) happen early why would you make Saxons Nordic? But then they make the split again by having "viking" units for the people that would go on to later become Nordic, so why not call them Nordic? Viking is an old Norse term, a language that won't exist for a couple of centuries, and whatever its predecessor was in describing a sea-raider describes Saxons more accurately. It was the Saxons, Angles, Jutes and Frisians who were the great seafarers of the time period going and conquering England, not the Danes.
But of course it is all about money, Vikings sell so they just cram it in there. Really going by what happened in the games time period and the evidence there is for different "units" etc only the Jutes really deserves to be a playable faction (we hear nothing about Geats until 100 years later and all the Danes did was supposedly chase the Heruli out of Zealand 200 years earlier), and the Jutes were really similar to the Angles and the Saxons. When you consider the factions we will probably never get that would actually be interesting and did stuff at the time it is a real joke.
DoddyIshamel
They probably did it to compensate the people who didn't buy the dlc - making saxons nordic that is.
So disappointing. Still waiting for a proper "Total War: Vikings" game.
MTW 2 stainless Steel.
The viking units added are really good looking. There is also a 100 % viking mod for MTW 2 adding far more.
RexusprimeIX on its way.
RexusprimeIX well that was a big disappointment wasnt it
RexusprimeIX well that was a big disappointment wasnt it
@@balyeetbhagaloe6416 no? Thrones of Britannia is great!
But norway build the best boats. Norway, sweden and denmark is the viking the only viking
Are you from denmark
Tobias Berg I'm Dutch.
Ok.im sad norway is not i the dlc :(
***** are the duch vikings
***** ok vikings ruled in briten right and viking era ended with harald hardrådet in 1066
Why do you keep saying vikings? They are not viking at all.!? From an archaeological standpoint they were nearly the same as the other germanic tribes. no big difference. And hats why they have the same loadout as the saxons.
Marc Miltz Because the Dlc is called Viking Forefathers and the word vikings is much easier to say than forefathers. :p I know why they have the same, but some unique units would be cool,even unique germanic units.
***** Call them Norsemen, Viking is a faulty term. The Vikings were Norsemen, but not all Norsemen were Vikings
NordiskHeidning Hes going by what CA calls them.. chill
and CA messes up again huuu,....
vikings FORFATHERS they simply called...
disappointed as well with the lack of intro for this DLC
Say no to pre order.
Go Denmark!
i love ur accent so much
xXffmbrudiXx I love you more.
where u from? sounds like spanish to me
Dutch
k i always thought the dutch speak almost pure english
So no real unique content for pre ordering or purchasing afterwards, just another copy and paste to get money.
good old copy and paste
nederlander of nie
Why are you so cross over the religion? The Norse and Germanic tribes worshipped the same pantheon!
A simple cash grab.
hahaha je bent een nederlander he die gene die praat
Scam. Should be free.
ludara Scam, scam. Nah, not the right word. Pre-order dlc is part of the modern gaming industry unfortunately.
Because of the sheep.
Am I the only one disappointed with the "viking" factions units?
halafradrimx Nope
***** You thought living on the extreme north would breed strong, fearsome warriors.
Not only "meh".