@@blikthepro972 Yep. Exactly. Same tactic Activision does. There was a patent a while ago that involved SBMM and selling lootboxes. I think delta force is trying to do the same thing
I mean at your usual playing hours there's not 100 thousand but 60 thousand people playing. Let's say half of those are playing operations, that leaves you with 30 thousand. Of those 30 thousand, roughly half might be ruled out due to region, leaving you at 15 thousand. Of those 15 thousand, assuming an average match duration of 30 minutes and queue duration of 5 minutes, 30/35 are ruled out because they're already in a match, leaving you with 1/7th of those 15 thousand, which is roughly 2000. Of those 2000 you have to subtract those with a lot fewer hours, since the devs said that new players are not thrown into matches with more experienced players. Let's just assume that those make up one fourth, so that leaves you with 1500 possible players. So yeah every night you're playing you're only getting matched with a small percentage of people, and that's even without any real SBMM assumed. The chances of you meeting the same people over and over again are also fairly high, considering these circumstances... In fact, considering the above, I find it highly unlikely that there is any real SBMM involved, because if you split those 1500 players from above into different stat groups, the system would barely find any matching lobbies at all. You could however argue that new players should not have their own lobbies. The reason why this game feels so stressful is the bad maps, the shit ton of explosives and smokes everyone has at hand, Luna's arrows and the screenshake. The reason why everything is an angle is because there's 64 people stuffed into way to small sectors, which leaves barely any room to maneuver. So I'd say widen the maps, make Luna's arrow a radar ping, decrease the number of smokes and explosives and we're good to go.
Battlefield has less players than this game and its been fine. BF1 and BFV doesn't have near the amount of players and yet that system is working well.
Once i got to a certain point where its a tournament every single game, i said yep... thats it for me, and did not touch delta force since, and will never touch it until they say the truth because they are lying.
You are wrong. Sometimes I take a beating but more often than not smash it. With over 200 hours of warfare operations. There is not sbmm ala CoD in this game at all this seems to be an American phenomenon
Cod conditioned you to think a certain way and now when the game it slightly harder than “I stomp noobs” you guys think of SBMM and you will not rest until devs confirm your conspiracy theory, it is called confirmation bias.
@@ruslanagadzhanyan2753 Is it confirmation bias when there was no bias to confirm in the first place? Nobody expected this game to have SBMM, because it has no place in a large scale mode like this. If it's not painfully obvious that this game has an MMR system then you aren't good enough at the game to experience it yourself.
@@afrocat4592 What? Google what confirmation bias is, the game does not have SBMM and devs has just said straight to your face, but you are mad cos they did not confirm your conspiracy theory, as for "you are not good enough to experience it yourself", my guy I have over 1.8 K/D in every Battlefield game I played, and I am currently close to 2.0 K/D in DF right now... tell me how good must I be to experience it myself if around 2.0 K/D is not enough? Or maybe you are having a bad time cos average player of such games has become better and YOU need to get better, ever thought of that?
Cool! So they just blatantly lied, and dodge the question. It's hilarious that they said they added another server because I'm still getting a hundred plus ping every game. It's so undeniable that there is MMR matchmaking because the first game I play after not playing for a week it was like playing against bots. I went 37 and 4. The next three games after that because that's all I could endure was just filled with max rank and level players. A game that punishes you for playing well. What a fantastic business model. Should have asked them if they were going to tune anything because there is some serious balancing problems in warfare.
Enders, I understand Chinese. About the MMR answer, the man on the right mistranslated an important bit at the end. This is Shadow's response ua-cam.com/users/livevaM1uikuVJs?si=X2KizGvWGg3sc_US&t=7445 Shadow says "I can assure you there's no strict MMR system" whereas it's translated as "There is no skill based matchmaking system". I would agree there's no strict MMR system. Every game I play, there are maybe a few very good players comparable to myself on the enemy team but 95% of the teams are made out of much lower skilled players.
I really think people are taking the sbmm thing out of hand. It really come down to do you take the developers word or enders assumption because there is no definitive way to prove there is strict sbmm. I don't think taking six minutes to join a match is proof of sbmm considering all the other variables that come to play. After playing COD this game doesn't really feel like there is some crazy matchmaking algorithm.
@@RedGabyGTM2 I see a wide range of player skill in my lobbies. There are some who do really well and many who don't do so well (hopefully they have fun still). I normally range 800-1200 score per minute if that helps answer your question.
The "x/64 players" thing is just a placebo. I've had it sit at 63/64 for 5+ minutes just to get put into a lobby with 60 people in it. It means basically nothing.
i hope im wrong but i feel like the devs were open to the community just to grab hype for the game since you know dice doesnt keep tabs but now that their game is succesful they are like nah we dont have to be open no more. again i hope im wrong but seeing how thats what happened to helldivers 2 during a while that almost killed their game off till they were like hey lets listen to our community and be open again, i wouldnt be surprised if this is the same thing thats happening
So I went back to 2042 the other day and it honestly felt pretty good to me in comparison to DF. I dont know if its the instagibbing sometimes, weapon balance or movement or the SBMM but It felt like I was like free to move and shoot and aim, and not just Die instantly. I dont feel that DF is better than 2042 yet. As much as its hated I have more fun in 2042 right now. Thats with me preferring the Aestitic and vibe of DF more.
People were so desperate for something to come out, they unjustly propped up DF as some savior for the genre when in reality it isnt any better than 2042. Ive seen Enders mock people in his chat for saying this but I mean come on, this game really isnt any better than 2042. Id take 2042 with no MMR over this game with MMR.
Me to. I want to like DF and I have played over 100 hour but it is unforgiving. You can't move, and if you aim at someone then somebody else has just killed you. The game is stressful. It has a lot of great things and I want it to be better but man its so hard to play. You die just peeking around a corner. You cant run anywhere or you are dead. The maps are too small I think. 6 minutes Q's cause me to close the game. I quit for the night and go back to BF2042. You can move and aim and run around without always dying. You feel like you are playing and having fun where in DF I won't play anything with Merit anymore because if you don't play like a ALLSTAR you lose merit. Last night I had 21 kills 20 deaths a few rezzes and flags and was in the #1 squad. I was average and ranked 15th in my team. Lost 12 merit points. I played average and lost points. That is disrespectful and a slap in the face. How about no points instead of punishing the player for being average. LOLOL
in all honesty,From a genuine stand point Having over 2.5k hours in each battlefield from Bad company 2 onwards, (inclusive of 2042) I can clearly tell you this, anyone who says Delta Force is better than 2042 is Smoking some special pot. Its literally the same thing,I personally say its a slightly a worst copy paste of 2042 cuz the vehicles absolutely suck ass in DF. delta force is basically MW2019 Gunplay put in a Battlefield Setting. to me, it just feels weird, as in doesnt feel natural at all. Delta force needs alot of work in my opinion. Its alright......i guess ? but its no different from the Generic Shooters we all play now. Dont even get me started on the Extraction mode. I'll still play tarkov over that shit.
I agree that not every player will put forth their maximum effort in every match. There are moments when I prefer to play casually and at times I perform at my best of my abilities.
this is why I quit this. Just wanna turn my brain off and have fun in a sandbox. I’ll gladly come back if something changes. It’s like these devs never learn tho
@DemonInPain You say, as you're literally complaining about having to sweat to be able to get the scores you desire... Whether you call me good or bad, at least I'm not the one upset about having to play with people of equal skill and asking for lesser skilled opponents. I personally prefer to pull off wins against people of equal or higher skill
Yep. They will change nothing. Their only interest is to see people buying skins and having the biggest community to have more chance to sell skins. So, you will have everything from Call of duty to valorant to counter strike to battlefield, escape from tarkov in this game. The goal is to attract everyone who like FPS shooters.
@@daiquirigamer2089 Yeah, that's my main concern. I wanted to replay DF black hawk down, i got a free game from chinese devs with lottery system in it. :/
Don't forget there's also a very frustrating aspect: the W/L ratio in this game is actually meaningless. I am a BF1 player with 4,000 hours, maintaining an average win rate of 55% to 60%, but in Delta Force, it's less than 40%. When I asked some senior players, they told me that even though the dev claim the game is 32 vs 32, but in reality, each game has at least 8 bots on each team, and there is no upper limit. If the player team has a dozen low-intelligence bots that don't want to capture objectives, there's no way for the players to win.
I'm pretty sure they are faking real players with bots. Their goal is to make sure than people are able to play the game so they are willing to buy skins. Delta Force is like the Matrix and team jade is not willing to say the truth to the end customer.
It's so obvious they are bots in warfare. Just taking a look at some players or some really bizarre map rotation where you have 30 players on a single for 0 reasons.
This is about to be cod all over again… manipulated matchmaking, gaslighting from the devs, and some players are going to manipulate the matchmaking by reverse boosting or 2 boxing.
The worst of it is the players who either claim SBMM doesnt exist, or claim it needs to be in the game to "protect the new players" Nobody remembers all of the older great FPS titles didn't have it. Battlefield 3, the original black ops and modern warfares etc ALL had either 0 SBMM or next to none and they were by all accounts fan favorites. Its pathetic.
@@TyGuy2200 People who say it needs SBMM are morons. Like you said CoD became a multi billion dollar franchise without SBMM. People have gotten so manipulated by the system now that they think the amount of good players has exploded exponentially.
@@TyGuy2200older battlefields, specifically at least bf4, maybe bf3 and bc2, still kind of had sbmm. since the servers were community owned, many, many servers had rebalancing plugins available that shuffled teams based on player performance between maps. typically, joining a server with a few slots open often meant you were joining the losing team, too. the thing is we could pick our servers to make sure we had good connection quality despite the servers having this team balancing stuff; in modern games, we can't pick our servers and are fully subject to the algorithm
@@junglecone3966 That is completely different to SBMM. It would balance teams based on the score of the game or if players left. It DID NOT create the match with forced balanced teams in any way like DF or modern cod does. The outcome of the match is pre determined in modern SBMM games, it wasn't in the old Battlefields.
There is definitely some sort of MMR matchmaking. When I had 4000-5000 Merit it was easier for viewers to queue/stream snipe me and have fun... but as I advanced beyond 7000+ Merit, it has become increasingly difficult to queue snipe me for my viewers. We almost never get matched together. Usually I sit in matchmaking for like 1-2 mins... but they get matched instantly. It's like the game is finding a lobby that is deserving of my rank and of course that will take time at higher Merit.
It's gaslighting tactic. The same tactic that Activision does when discussing things around SBMM. It's to avoid the topic in general because it helps benefit them sell skins. There was a patent that activision had that involved SBMM and selling virtual items. I think delta force is using the same thing. I believe it's called Dynamic Difficulty Tech that encourages lootbox spending
@@Clvsterr I never said I have a problem with matchmaking. Honestly, I am quite satisfied with the matchmaking on a personal level. The point that I wanted to make was that the developers aren't being transparent about matchmaking. There is certainly some sort of MMR. P.S. I totally understand that most players experience will be ruined if someone like me enters their lobby and starts to sweat. There should be some MMR, definitely. But sometimes, it's too much for the game to expect me to drop 60-100 bombs and sweat every game. Sometimes, I just wanna chill. Fortunately, they have an Unranked Mode. And that's why I don't really have any complaints with the matchmaking as of now. And in my opinion Enders, should take the same advice. If MMR bothers you, and you don't wanna sweat every game, just go Unranked. It isn't really an issue. Devs should be open about it instead of hiding it like it is some sort of taboo... Thats all. Peace✌️
@@KoraTee There is no difference between ranked and unranked. If you queue unranked you will still get into lobbies of players queueing ranked and vice versa. This was tested and confirmed very early on by people getting into Enders's games despite not queueing 'ranked'. This is what the devs mean with it being a translation/localisation error. It's not a real ranked mode. Shadow said it's really just a 'points mode'. All it does is provide extra rewards. This is why Enders complains about SBMM, because there is literally no way to get around it. There's really no reason not to have ranked selected unless you want to mess around with stuff knowing you'll do bad and don't want your points to be affected. This is also why it's not your 'rank' that affects your matchmaking, it's really only based on your performance as a player. Your viewers can't match with you because your skill rating is so much higher, not because of the points that you have accumulated.
@@RNeeko in fact you can just go into your matchmaking and look at your teammates match history to see if they played ranked or unranked, ive been in squads with unranked players while playing ranked
I have to be honest, you irritate me for some reason but you're 100% spot on. After saying that, I'm older and slow - my aim is atrocious and being up against players that (to me) are nearly up to snuff with you ruins it for me. On corners and such, I get killed 1 V 1 by everyone that I encounter and a lot of the time it's before I can even aim. There are serious server issues. I'm lucky to get 8 kills per game and generally get -12 merit on every single game I play. It's hugely annoying.
He irritates you because the dude bitches about the game in every single video. I found Enders on YT within the first week of the release of DF, and I stopped watching him within that week because he constantly bitches. Only reason I clicked on this video was to see what the Devs response was and there he goes bitching again lmao.
At this point they should be honest about SBMM since the alternative is worse. The alternative is there isn't SBMM like they say and we keep seeing the same player base because the region only has a small amount of players and not what their steam charts say. Either all those players are in some other region of the world or they spun up a bunch of bot accounts to game the charts. Saying there isn't SBMM isn't the win they think it is.
They're doing the COD tactic. Just completely gaslight in an attempt to avoid the conversation. Activision has a patent that involved SBMM with lootbox mechanics. I believe it was called Dynamic Difficulty Adjustment. It's to get more people to buy loot boxes in game
its sad bro. i went from 2011 playing BF3, smacking people in Canals TDM to 2024-2025 fucking playing American Truck Simulator just the fact of the FPS state, its really fucking sad
No SBMM? - Playing the same people over & over at peak hours - S1 Commanders in masse in every lobby - Long queue times - Shit ping sometimes No thanks 🙂↔️ 再见
There’s literally no SBMM. It definitely isnt on operations. And it would be absolutely useless for it to be on warfare. If anything, it would be more inclined to be on warfare as the stakes are higher.
Not really an interview but more important is I dont think the answers are any different if you were asked him on Twitter. I thought it would be longer and expected a Server Browser question. Since there is no SBMM it shouldn't be a problem.
They actually didn't dodge the question. Their mm searches for the players near your closest server. That's why you'll keep seeing the same player names. When you introduce a new server, those players are pulled out of a different server, they would previously get matched to, increasing the queue time on the previous server. You simply don't understand how the mm works and instead you come up with false claims.
Just play to get kills since that is fundamentally the most fun part of the game anyway. The things you want to avoid like the plague is destroying enemy vehicles since they give massive amount of points and ofc reviving and healing team mates.
I'll give the devs benefit of the doubt and say they aren't just straight up lying. The statement that there are just two pools of players, new and experienced, can be what we see if "new" and "experienced" is based off of skill as measured by score per minute, kills per minute, and or kill/deaths. New players are really just low skill players (by these measures) whereas experienced get above some threshold. This also explains how players can get stuck forever in the "new" player lobbies. I'm guessing -- like a lot of things in Warfare -- it's because of Operations. It honestly makes way more sense to split the population like that in Operations. Extractions are more akin to old school deathmatch games, where a little bit of skill difference (movement tech, aiming, and map knowledge ESPECIALLY) can make a HUUUGE impact in match. Timmy may have fun getting stomped by rapha once for the novelty, but it gets old fast. So yes, MMR matchmaking in operations is a necessity. It just doesn't work in Warfare though, which is about as far from a deathmatch as a shooter can get. These games should be egoless, casual, shooter fodder where it's fun to just run around and shoot stuff. Instead this matchmaking has me checking every possible angle like it's counter-strike. And even then with 32 enemies with info-spamming-abilities shit changes in an instant in a way you can't predict or prepare. You just get needlessly frustrating matches for both pools -- "new" lobbies where emergent objective play is a miracle and "experienced" lobbies where rats, cheese, and meta sheeple run amok. It would be cool if the devs figure it out and make a different matchmaker for Warfare but I don't see it happening. In their minds they are probably protecting the "new" players, rather than just making the most frustrating fps ever for both pools.
he is lol but what he is saying is that battlefield type games function better when everyone is just slapped together, you have sweatlords and noobs on the same team and it makes it feel diverse for everyone involved, personally i am not an amazing player and of course get wiped by sweatlords, but it feels great when after a while i manage to outplay and beat the sweat.
I am also seeing the same guys over and over again in my matches across days/weeks. EU servers are so sweaty, it's crazy. I queued on NA and SEA servers too and dominated the games there (I am only average on EU). So it's either that you have a specific MMR per server region or players on NA/SEA are just not so sweaty
@@KoraTee its not an attack, if you want to be a comp gamer that is fine but the tens of thousands of people that have no intention to play competitively and just want to have balanced fun , are being forced to play with sweats.
One theme I hear about SBMM complaints is that players seem to prefer games be easier, and not feel like a playoff game all the time. I hear that, but for average players playing against a team with 2-3 players with over 80 kills each while everyone else is getting 15-25 feels unbalanced also. This would certainly cause lesser skilled players then folks like Enders to quit playing the game totally. I don't know what the solution is, I will leave that up to ppl who know more about the system than I do, but nobody likes getting slaughtered all the time either.
Enders, I'm Braziliam player of Delta Force, and in Brazil there is just one server, in São Paulo and another server in any Location in Latin America, probably in Chile. I played in Alpha and beta of Delta force as well... and i´m playing since the global Launch, via steam, and here in braziliam servers I never waited 6 minutes for any kind of mode... Here in Brazil there are two ways to play, via Garena and via Steam. Garena is the representant of tencent in brazil, and unfortunately steam and Garena don't share his players, progression and etc, so we have less players in this two way to play and here in brazil we never wait more than 2 minutes to play havoc warfare ranked or not ranked. Obviously the wait per match is much less than 2 minutes, but the maximum wait is 2 minutes when this rarely happens.
Ranked is just that when you lose your rank decreasing by a specific amount of points. And when you win your rank will increased untill you hit the next rank and you acquire a rewards that is shown if you click on the rank tap
The "rank mode" is not a localization issue. I come from China, and even in China, although developers don't use the term "rank mode" in the game, every players is calling it "rank mode".
About MMR in this game I played 3 games with only getting 5 kills every game, and the next two games they put me against actually normal people the MMR in this game is crazy.
Wow, I agree with you one hundred percent on this topic. Never ever played an FPS pvp game like this before. Thats right no COD, Battlefield nada. I been playing now since the first week. The game feels like a job more than an escape. One thing though, lately the last week or so my kills been goin up and my deaths going down. I understand now how to take advantage of spots on the map. Dont virtually RUN into bullets like I first did. Keep up the good work and make lots of money. Well done.
My experience looks more or less like this: I play 2 matches where my team wins and then the next match is super sweatfest where I get barely any frags and my team loses, because everyone on opposite teams runs around like they're on aderrall and I get beamed from all sides. I play like one more match like this and lose, then I'm matched again with a more chill lobby where it's mostly easy win. Rinse and repeat. Same with Operations: in 2 raids I get my ass kicked by 3 man squad, then the next raid I'm paired with timmies that just started the game.
It will be interesting to see when console and mobile gamers are joining in the western world servers to see how quick your games are and how spread the SBMM/EOMM is.
today i was focusing in getting a emblem from "D-Wolf", i won 1 game with +- 70 kills, then i played like 12 games, i lost everything, i spawn and died, my team was like playing with monitor turn off, im done with games in general, i unistall all, thanks for keep trying! good luck!
63/64 is most likely a bug in their MM algo, preventing it from completing. It being 100% because of a SBMM limiting the pool seems extremely coincidental that you only need 1 more person, instead of any other number from 1-64. Good theory but hard to pinpoint without more evidence IMO
Im on the west coast but retired and I can play anytime of day for as long as I want to. I have come to know the players on the other team quite well in that time as yes I do seem to play against the same group. On the other hand I dont play extraction much at all. My wait times in Warfare average about one minute no matter what day or time it is.
I’m surprised you don’t ask about the gunplay it is a lot like early 2042 where there are no engagement distances and if you see someone you just full auto beam them across the map
@@griffin1366 100%, thats a big reason why i stopped playing. i want the game to succeed and be good but i just cant with the sbmm, minimal content, broken operators and cheating
Know what i like about your gameplay over other Delta Force creators? Your guns actually show recoil in your videos. Everyone else just seems to have a no recoil laser rifle.
i think there will never be lobbies in any game where everyone can just play casual and have fun. there will be always a amount of player who have to give their hardest to keep up with the lobbies they are in.
There should be A SYSTEM in place. I'm really bad at the game, and I keep getting into lobbies where I cant even play, so how am I supposed to learn? I would have to guess, but my KD is probably around 0.1 or less. I frequently end matches with 1-5 kills and there is players with 60+. I cant learn the maps if I live less than 5sec. I cant practice shooting or using my abilities if I cant live long enough to use them. A system must be put in the game, or the barrier to entry for new players, older folk or ppl new to FPSs is going to be too high, which can kill a game...
If 40/64 players are excellent at the game, how is the rest supposed to learn? You should advocate for them fixing the system, not removing it. If I played a match against you Ender, if I havent seen your chanel, I would have thought you are cheating. We have no reason to be in the same lobby...
i kept getting qued into lobbies where everyone is 120 ping literally unplayble. people would suddenly get teleported into my screen and i die instantly.
I think the 63/64 players thing is a bug, happens sometimes and can sit like that for over 10min. Sometimes eventually you’ll load in and it’ll be full of AI. Cancel the queue/change modes/restart the game and it usually goes back to taking 1 min.
Had lots of fun with the game for the first 50 hours or so. After i got accustomed with the game and started reaching the top end of scoreboards, the lobbies also were getting noticably harder to perform well in. After a certain point i just lost interest and stopped playing. Will happily return if MMR matchmaking gets addressed or if the developers at very least admit, that they lied about MMR matchmaking existing in DF.
Any big team game with no server browser 100% has sometype of SBMM system. If it was just connection based matchmaking I'd get into games instantly but I don't...except for my first game or two of the week when I get into games instantly and I guess the SBMM isn't activated yet because lack of activity on my account.
I love how you asked them directly face to face, you left them basically no room to avoid the question and they predictably still tried to weasel out of answering it... I actually don't even necessarily disagree with having SBMM in the game, but the BLATANT lying seals the deal for me. If they can't even be honest about this, basically everything they say is worthless, they just tell us what they think we want to hear, the rest is just meaningless garbage.
If I am going to be honest brother, whether your thoughts are right and mine are wrong, or vice versa, it doesn't really matter at the end of the day. If you want things to change then the best way to do that is by not playing/buying into the game at all. I don't mean this in a combative tone either, I simply mean just that. This is the fastest and surest way to have them change the game to fit more of the players wants. Don't get me wrong, I love Delta Force as I have put in over 300 hours into it. But I also want others to enjoy this game as well which means I can also continue to play the game since theoretically more people will play if changes are made to suit the players wants/needs. At first I thought that I was also being put into super sweat lobbies but when I start to look at my teams performance overall in the match, it doesn't quite seem to be the case. Are there sweats in my lobbies? There sure are. But not all of them are sweats as the scoreboards for the overall teams performance says otherwise to me. I'm talking about low revive counts, low kills, high deaths, and just low score in general. This kind of sounds weird to say (but also not really...?) but I feel like since alot of games that have come out in the past decade that have been littered with SBMM, I think everyones "skill level" has just gone up since they have had to play against people of their skill level and forced to just get better. And that is why everyone seems to be a sweat at the game. Thats just my take on it though. Now I will say however, I am really curious about your experience and thoughts on the Operations mode. I would love to see a video or anything about that from you on this topic. I have my own opinions on it, but I don't want to potentially ruin your experience on this with my own. I enjoy both game modes for what they are just to be clear, but just because I have enjoyment doesn't mean everyone will have the same experience. I look forward to your future vids brother, keep up the good work!
After Alpha and beta guess I recognized this early on with the final release. I have 10 hrs in and quit. My best match was the 1st one and went down hill from there. I tried again this weekend and finished 2 matches and quit 3 spent more time with all the minutia than gaming. Not for me I went back to equally bad but marginally better BF at least its a bit more straight forward.
i think i have a work around for the SBMM for King of the Hill since thats the only mode i really play. i was getting pretty much instant pop ques wen i 1st started to play, then it went to about 10-20 second ques, then i started to notice it was taking about a minute to put me in a game. at the same time as me getting the 1 minute ques i was also getting nothing but Shafted. after about the 3rd game in a row of Shafted i got tilted and just left wen i loaded in. for the rest of my play session I kept leaving whenever it gave me Shafted. at the same time as me leaving games the ques were taking less time. i figured that leaving a game before it finished lowers ur rank. that said for someone like Enders, who plays pretty much every day for a few hours and has a 6minute + que time this doesnt really fix the issue since they would need to do this every day if not multiple times a day and spend maybe an hour or so doing it each time. but for the rest of us it might be worth giving it a go. TL:DR if you start to notice the ques times take long, just spam leave games, maybe kill urself a few times to tank ur SBMM rating till the ques are back to a more acceptable length.
in oce we have bots that are taken out as real players join, queues will go for 5-10 mins and slowly tick up in players to 64, then when it starts its just 8v8 real players with 24 bots a side.. another side effect of this is that the games are horribly unbalanced as those starting players get to farm the braindead ai for upwards of 10k points before the game really begins
I'm not a good mechanical player but i'm really good at map reading and good positionning. I play engineer and recon. So my spm is pretty high and half my games are playing against absolute sweatlords where i can't even move without getting one tap. So exhausting and frustrating. I can't have a break in my games.
I have already practically quit the game because of SBMM. Every match was a tournament in a game that's innately casual. Went back to milsim games since there is no sbmm and you can either try hard or just mess around with boys in voice chat.
The guy beside clearly had given strict and precise instruction on what to say and what not to say which to me felt fake and not trustworthy. Also, they clearly wanted Enders to ask this particular question since he's been the most vocal about it. Also, they know he would ask this question so they had prepared for it. I think the main motive for not being transparent about this topic and why they will not change SBMM is because there are some monetization elements involved that they will not disclose. At the end of the day they are a company and not a charity and all companies want/need to make money somehow. The sad thing is that they have chosen the wrong way of monetizing this game and I think that it will ultimately be the number one reason why ppl will stop playing DF. For me; I will gladly play it (keeping a low score/min of course so that I dont end up in sweaty lobbies 100% of the time LOL) until BF6 comes out, then I will not play DF anymore. Unless they remove SBMM. And IMO, the number of operators/operators concept will also be one of the reasons ppl will get tired of it in the end.
At one match during warfare. I and this one player snipe each other from afar many times during that match. Guess what happen the next match after? We end up in a same team and in a same squad 😂
What would it take to definitely prove that SBMM isn't in the game? It would be some sort of code right? What if now that the game has been out for two months many of the casual players have just left, and most of who is left are the people who are good at the game?
Nah, that's cap. It's was my first time playing M&K, I got 5 kills 24 deaths, and we won. I'm no good with a computer, but if it just gets console support, I could no life this game easy.
They could start by giving a conclusive answer. They keep using language which leaves room for some sort of system. Probably so you can't nail them to the wall with it "We want to assure you there is no real, lets say SBMM in our game". Thats arbitary, they just dont consider their system 'real sbmm' and can therfor state this without it being false. In the written response they said they don't use any "crazy 50% WR SBMM". That statement allows them to use a 40% WR SBMM if they wanted. Since it's not 50%, and crazy is a subjective definition. Every single mention of SBMM in that statement has the adjective of 50% WR or crazy. Most people's reading comprehension is way to shit to pick up on that though. Every statement they made about this is a specific or subjective component. So they can start by saying "We use completely random matchmaking without any sort of components that look at stats or numbers". But we all know thats not true, so they won't say that.
Me and my friends stopped playing DF like 2 weeks ago after stopping having fun in it because of the hard lobbies. And we fled from COD due to the same reason
I actually do what you say.. Play and chill and have around 700 avg spm, but hit marshall ages ago. I try hard occasionally and am easily able to get 800-1200 since you need to get to Marshall but first few ranks I just doodles along and try to learn and see what's viable. I don't get the sweatiest lobbies but they are not non sweaty for sure. Trying to keep spm under 800
I don't trust them. I can only go by what I was running into when I was playing, but it didn't feel like there was no SBMM. I'd also like to point out I was 63/64 for about 15 minutes and when I finally got into a game about half of each team were marked with the AI tag. So 30ish people left the queue just as it popped?
They avoid answering the question and dont want to be transparent. Okay, then their game will die in less than 6 month, but at least when we saw the first real gameplay of the new BF. To be clear: I'm talking about the Warfare mode, not the Operations. Im quite sure that the playerbase is more in the "Operations side".
I feel like soo many aspects of life in the modern day have been ruined by nerds with spreadsheets. Pretty buildings? Spreadsheet says that costs more Ping is King? Server Browsers? Spreadsheet says we can sell more skins with SBMM and retain some extra low skill players I have more examples, but they may get a little political. Basically, the idea is that beauty, artistry, individual fun, and functionality are all thrown to the side in favor of SQUEEZING every last penny
Regardless of the state of MMR or not, I just love the respect the developers are giving to you, compared to the way BF2042 team treated you, at least there is two way communication here.
I thought I was the only one who felt I was in these sweaty lobbies....and I'm just above average! It sucks playing against top tier players all the time. Just because I do a bit better doesn't mean I want to be in a stressful game 99% of the time.
Yeah this game has big problem with sounds man... for example, in "BF V" i can hear running or footsteps behind the wall perfectly that looks like Wall Hack....But IN THIS GAME i cant hear party of enemies acrossing house where i trying to take a point T_T Not to mention the tanks and heavy machinery that rushes at you from behind and just runs over you because you didn't hear it.
how they dodged the question? for me they were very direct saying that's there's no sbmm and how can you tweak something that doesn't exist? this is starting to look like a rage bait at this point. edit: the part about 6 minutes queue is a bug, you said that you got 63/64 players, that's a bug that got reported many times in the discord/reddit. it's not a matchmaking issue.
Because you lack analystical skills. They said "We want to assure you our system has no real, lets call it SBMM". Pay close attention to the words "No real" and " Lets call it SBMM". Whatever system they employ they just don't consider real SBMM. Making their statement truthful, even if they do employ some other match making system based on performance metrics. All the communication they ever did about SBMM is filled with very carefully chosen words that never deny the existence of a MMR system outright, just specific versions or interpretations of it. Never ever have they said "Our matchmaking system doesn't look at any sort of performance metrics or numbers when it tries to matchmake you". Perhaps they truly believe their system isn't SBMM and they are just tone deaf to what players are talking about when they complain about this. Or perhaps it's just PR to be deliberately vague.
Streams every day :) www.twitch.tv/enders
❗❗LETS ALL KEEP ASKING THEM TO REMOVE SBMM❗❗💪 only that way they are "forced" to delete it in the future.
They lied about Black Hawk Down, no surprise to see them lie for the rest.
If there is no sbmm why do I get put in almost finished losing matches after a win? The developers pretending like we don’t have eyes
It is called selective observation.
They're purposely gaslighting. The same tactic Activision is doing when discussing topics around SBMM
because when a match is almost over, people leave, opening slots
@@blikthepro972 Yep. Exactly. Same tactic Activision does. There was a patent a while ago that involved SBMM and selling lootboxes. I think delta force is trying to do the same thing
You think people leave winning lobbies ????😂
I mean at your usual playing hours there's not 100 thousand but 60 thousand people playing. Let's say half of those are playing operations, that leaves you with 30 thousand. Of those 30 thousand, roughly half might be ruled out due to region, leaving you at 15 thousand. Of those 15 thousand, assuming an average match duration of 30 minutes and queue duration of 5 minutes, 30/35 are ruled out because they're already in a match, leaving you with 1/7th of those 15 thousand, which is roughly 2000. Of those 2000 you have to subtract those with a lot fewer hours, since the devs said that new players are not thrown into matches with more experienced players. Let's just assume that those make up one fourth, so that leaves you with 1500 possible players.
So yeah every night you're playing you're only getting matched with a small percentage of people, and that's even without any real SBMM assumed. The chances of you meeting the same people over and over again are also fairly high, considering these circumstances...
In fact, considering the above, I find it highly unlikely that there is any real SBMM involved, because if you split those 1500 players from above into different stat groups, the system would barely find any matching lobbies at all. You could however argue that new players should not have their own lobbies.
The reason why this game feels so stressful is the bad maps, the shit ton of explosives and smokes everyone has at hand, Luna's arrows and the screenshake. The reason why everything is an angle is because there's 64 people stuffed into way to small sectors, which leaves barely any room to maneuver.
So I'd say widen the maps, make Luna's arrow a radar ping, decrease the number of smokes and explosives and we're good to go.
Thermal scopes are coming to DF very soon, rendering smoke pointless which will be a whole new bone of contention.
facts
Battlefield has less players than this game and its been fine. BF1 and BFV doesn't have near the amount of players and yet that system is working well.
Once i got to a certain point where its a tournament every single game, i said yep... thats it for me, and did not touch delta force since, and will never touch it until they say the truth because they are lying.
Im in the same boat
You are wrong. Sometimes I take a beating but more often than not smash it. With over 200 hours of warfare operations. There is not sbmm ala CoD in this game at all this seems to be an American phenomenon
Cod conditioned you to think a certain way and now when the game it slightly harder than “I stomp noobs” you guys think of SBMM and you will not rest until devs confirm your conspiracy theory, it is called confirmation bias.
@@ruslanagadzhanyan2753 Is it confirmation bias when there was no bias to confirm in the first place? Nobody expected this game to have SBMM, because it has no place in a large scale mode like this. If it's not painfully obvious that this game has an MMR system then you aren't good enough at the game to experience it yourself.
@@afrocat4592 What? Google what confirmation bias is, the game does not have SBMM and devs has just said straight to your face, but you are mad cos they did not confirm your conspiracy theory, as for "you are not good enough to experience it yourself", my guy I have over 1.8 K/D in every Battlefield game I played, and I am currently close to 2.0 K/D in DF right now... tell me how good must I be to experience it myself if around 2.0 K/D is not enough? Or maybe you are having a bad time cos average player of such games has become better and YOU need to get better, ever thought of that?
Cool! So they just blatantly lied, and dodge the question. It's hilarious that they said they added another server because I'm still getting a hundred plus ping every game. It's so undeniable that there is MMR matchmaking because the first game I play after not playing for a week it was like playing against bots. I went 37 and 4. The next three games after that because that's all I could endure was just filled with max rank and level players. A game that punishes you for playing well. What a fantastic business model. Should have asked them if they were going to tune anything because there is some serious balancing problems in warfare.
same what cod devs do
@TheOperationHastings yep and look at there player counts, there tanking.
Enders, I understand Chinese. About the MMR answer, the man on the right mistranslated an important bit at the end. This is Shadow's response ua-cam.com/users/livevaM1uikuVJs?si=X2KizGvWGg3sc_US&t=7445
Shadow says "I can assure you there's no strict MMR system" whereas it's translated as "There is no skill based matchmaking system".
I would agree there's no strict MMR system. Every game I play, there are maybe a few very good players comparable to myself on the enemy team but 95% of the teams are made out of much lower skilled players.
I really think people are taking the sbmm thing out of hand. It really come down to do you take the developers word or enders assumption because there is no definitive way to prove there is strict sbmm. I don't think taking six minutes to join a match is proof of sbmm considering all the other variables that come to play. After playing COD this game doesn't really feel like there is some crazy matchmaking algorithm.
@@randy2493-s6n i wonder what wouldve happened if another sbmm shill youtuber said that xdefiant has sbmm. everyone wouldve believed them
But you’re put into low-skilled lobbies since you’re not too good though, right?
@@RedGabyGTM2 I see a wide range of player skill in my lobbies. There are some who do really well and many who don't do so well (hopefully they have fun still). I normally range 800-1200 score per minute if that helps answer your question.
@@PlatinumSan Oh, I got it now, thank you!
The "x/64 players" thing is just a placebo. I've had it sit at 63/64 for 5+ minutes just to get put into a lobby with 60 people in it. It means basically nothing.
Bro, I've matched up with a dude named FloppyDisk so many times in the same lobby. It's just expected at this point to match up with him.
hes the little bird crybaby big whoop @perilousintent2936
i hope im wrong but i feel like the devs were open to the community just to grab hype for the game since you know dice doesnt keep tabs but now that their game is succesful they are like nah we dont have to be open no more. again i hope im wrong but seeing how thats what happened to helldivers 2 during a while that almost killed their game off till they were like hey lets listen to our community and be open again, i wouldnt be surprised if this is the same thing thats happening
i was just thinking the same thing...
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If they don't listen to the players, it could lead to the game's downfall-just like what happened with Battlefield. :_)
So I went back to 2042 the other day and it honestly felt pretty good to me in comparison to DF. I dont know if its the instagibbing sometimes, weapon balance or movement or the SBMM but It felt like I was like free to move and shoot and aim, and not just Die instantly. I dont feel that DF is better than 2042 yet. As much as its hated I have more fun in 2042 right now. Thats with me preferring the Aestitic and vibe of DF more.
People were so desperate for something to come out, they unjustly propped up DF as some savior for the genre when in reality it isnt any better than 2042. Ive seen Enders mock people in his chat for saying this but I mean come on, this game really isnt any better than 2042. Id take 2042 with no MMR over this game with MMR.
Me to. I want to like DF and I have played over 100 hour but it is unforgiving. You can't move, and if you aim at someone then somebody else has just killed you. The game is stressful. It has a lot of great things and I want it to be better but man its so hard to play. You die just peeking around a corner. You cant run anywhere or you are dead. The maps are too small I think. 6 minutes Q's cause me to close the game. I quit for the night and go back to BF2042. You can move and aim and run around without always dying. You feel like you are playing and having fun where in DF I won't play anything with Merit anymore because if you don't play like a ALLSTAR you lose merit. Last night I had 21 kills 20 deaths a few rezzes and flags and was in the #1 squad. I was average and ranked 15th in my team. Lost 12 merit points. I played average and lost points. That is disrespectful and a slap in the face. How about no points instead of punishing the player for being average. LOLOL
in all honesty,From a genuine stand point Having over 2.5k hours in each battlefield from Bad company 2 onwards, (inclusive of 2042) I can clearly tell you this, anyone who says Delta Force is better than 2042 is Smoking some special pot. Its literally the same thing,I personally say its a slightly a worst copy paste of 2042 cuz the vehicles absolutely suck ass in DF. delta force is basically MW2019 Gunplay put in a Battlefield Setting. to me, it just feels weird, as in doesnt feel natural at all. Delta force needs alot of work in my opinion. Its alright......i guess ? but its no different from the Generic Shooters we all play now. Dont even get me started on the Extraction mode. I'll still play tarkov over that shit.
I agree that not every player will put forth their maximum effort in every match. There are moments when I prefer to play casually and at times I perform at my best of my abilities.
this is why I quit this. Just wanna turn my brain off and have fun in a sandbox. I’ll gladly come back if something changes. It’s like these devs never learn tho
I'm not sure why they are so hell bent on SBMM/EOMM. The maps are so big it doesn't matter or even just really keep it loose.
Nobody is forcing you to try hard. You can turn your brain off..... but why are you expecting to still be high on the scoreboard and get wins?
@@King5464 I never said I was, this is a classic straw man argument
@ honestly if you’re a fan of sbmm that tells me all I need to kno. You’re a player with zero mechanical skill
@DemonInPain You say, as you're literally complaining about having to sweat to be able to get the scores you desire... Whether you call me good or bad, at least I'm not the one upset about having to play with people of equal skill and asking for lesser skilled opponents. I personally prefer to pull off wins against people of equal or higher skill
well you certainly asked them
They do the exact same thing CoD doe's - Ignore the question and refuse to change.
Yep. They will change nothing. Their only interest is to see people buying skins and having the biggest community to have more chance to sell skins. So, you will have everything from Call of duty to valorant to counter strike to battlefield, escape from tarkov in this game. The goal is to attract everyone who like FPS shooters.
@@Sombre____ lol. I thought I'd get classic Garcia's Delta Force. But I got chinese Delta force
@@daiquirigamer2089 Yeah, that's my main concern. I wanted to replay DF black hawk down, i got a free game from chinese devs with lottery system in it. :/
Don't forget there's also a very frustrating aspect: the W/L ratio in this game is actually meaningless.
I am a BF1 player with 4,000 hours, maintaining an average win rate of 55% to 60%, but in Delta Force, it's less than 40%.
When I asked some senior players, they told me that even though the dev claim the game is 32 vs 32, but in reality, each game has at least 8 bots on each team, and there is no upper limit.
If the player team has a dozen low-intelligence bots that don't want to capture objectives, there's no way for the players to win.
I'm pretty sure they are faking real players with bots. Their goal is to make sure than people are able to play the game so they are willing to buy skins. Delta Force is like the Matrix and team jade is not willing to say the truth to the end customer.
It's so obvious they are bots in warfare. Just taking a look at some players or some really bizarre map rotation where you have 30 players on a single for 0 reasons.
This is about to be cod all over again… manipulated matchmaking, gaslighting from the devs, and some players are going to manipulate the matchmaking by reverse boosting or 2 boxing.
The worst of it is the players who either claim SBMM doesnt exist, or claim it needs to be in the game to "protect the new players" Nobody remembers all of the older great FPS titles didn't have it. Battlefield 3, the original black ops and modern warfares etc ALL had either 0 SBMM or next to none and they were by all accounts fan favorites. Its pathetic.
^^ this exactly. It makes me SICK when I hear people talk somewhat positive about SBMM these days.🤮🤮
@@TyGuy2200 People who say it needs SBMM are morons. Like you said CoD became a multi billion dollar franchise without SBMM. People have gotten so manipulated by the system now that they think the amount of good players has exploded exponentially.
@@TyGuy2200older battlefields, specifically at least bf4, maybe bf3 and bc2, still kind of had sbmm. since the servers were community owned, many, many servers had rebalancing plugins available that shuffled teams based on player performance between maps. typically, joining a server with a few slots open often meant you were joining the losing team, too. the thing is we could pick our servers to make sure we had good connection quality despite the servers having this team balancing stuff; in modern games, we can't pick our servers and are fully subject to the algorithm
@@junglecone3966 That is completely different to SBMM. It would balance teams based on the score of the game or if players left. It DID NOT create the match with forced balanced teams in any way like DF or modern cod does. The outcome of the match is pre determined in modern SBMM games, it wasn't in the old Battlefields.
There is definitely some sort of MMR matchmaking. When I had 4000-5000 Merit it was easier for viewers to queue/stream snipe me and have fun... but as I advanced beyond 7000+ Merit, it has become increasingly difficult to queue snipe me for my viewers. We almost never get matched together. Usually I sit in matchmaking for like 1-2 mins... but they get matched instantly. It's like the game is finding a lobby that is deserving of my rank and of course that will take time at higher Merit.
It's gaslighting tactic. The same tactic that Activision does when discussing things around SBMM. It's to avoid the topic in general because it helps benefit them sell skins. There was a patent that activision had that involved SBMM and selling virtual items. I think delta force is using the same thing. I believe it's called Dynamic Difficulty Tech that encourages lootbox spending
Wait so you think if your playing ranked that you should be matched against or with players with significantly less MMR? Are you..... dumb?
@@Clvsterr I never said I have a problem with matchmaking. Honestly, I am quite satisfied with the matchmaking on a personal level.
The point that I wanted to make was that the developers aren't being transparent about matchmaking. There is certainly some sort of MMR.
P.S. I totally understand that most players experience will be ruined if someone like me enters their lobby and starts to sweat. There should be some MMR, definitely. But sometimes, it's too much for the game to expect me to drop 60-100 bombs and sweat every game. Sometimes, I just wanna chill. Fortunately, they have an Unranked Mode. And that's why I don't really have any complaints with the matchmaking as of now. And in my opinion Enders, should take the same advice. If MMR bothers you, and you don't wanna sweat every game, just go Unranked. It isn't really an issue. Devs should be open about it instead of hiding it like it is some sort of taboo... Thats all. Peace✌️
@@KoraTee There is no difference between ranked and unranked. If you queue unranked you will still get into lobbies of players queueing ranked and vice versa. This was tested and confirmed very early on by people getting into Enders's games despite not queueing 'ranked'. This is what the devs mean with it being a translation/localisation error. It's not a real ranked mode. Shadow said it's really just a 'points mode'. All it does is provide extra rewards. This is why Enders complains about SBMM, because there is literally no way to get around it. There's really no reason not to have ranked selected unless you want to mess around with stuff knowing you'll do bad and don't want your points to be affected. This is also why it's not your 'rank' that affects your matchmaking, it's really only based on your performance as a player. Your viewers can't match with you because your skill rating is so much higher, not because of the points that you have accumulated.
@@RNeeko in fact you can just go into your matchmaking and look at your teammates match history to see if they played ranked or unranked, ive been in squads with unranked players while playing ranked
I have to be honest, you irritate me for some reason but you're 100% spot on.
After saying that, I'm older and slow - my aim is atrocious and being up against players that (to me) are nearly up to snuff with you ruins it for me. On corners and such, I get killed 1 V 1 by everyone that I encounter and a lot of the time it's before I can even aim. There are serious server issues.
I'm lucky to get 8 kills per game and generally get -12 merit on every single game I play. It's hugely annoying.
Same here. Beeing 60 next month. But turn of ranked and you will not get the merit minus 12 everytime.
@@fredroarstrand I play with a friend a lot who generally invites and he always chooses ranked.
He irritates you because the dude bitches about the game in every single video.
I found Enders on YT within the first week of the release of DF, and I stopped watching him within that week because he constantly bitches.
Only reason I clicked on this video was to see what the Devs response was and there he goes bitching again lmao.
At this point they should be honest about SBMM since the alternative is worse. The alternative is there isn't SBMM like they say and we keep seeing the same player base because the region only has a small amount of players and not what their steam charts say. Either all those players are in some other region of the world or they spun up a bunch of bot accounts to game the charts. Saying there isn't SBMM isn't the win they think it is.
They're doing the COD tactic. Just completely gaslight in an attempt to avoid the conversation. Activision has a patent that involved SBMM with lootbox mechanics. I believe it was called Dynamic Difficulty Adjustment. It's to get more people to buy loot boxes in game
Of course they avoid giving a straight yes/no answer and explaining the reason. This is starting to look like another Activision situation happening.
Solo queueing in the Operations mode is HORRENDOUS. waiting 10+ min to solo queue then turning on squad fill and getting an immediate match is insane.
As one who appreciates anecdotal evidence from a single, limited perspective, I always enjoy these videos.
its sad bro. i went from 2011 playing BF3, smacking people in Canals TDM to 2024-2025 fucking playing American Truck Simulator just the fact of the FPS state, its really fucking sad
No SBMM?
- Playing the same people over & over at peak hours
- S1 Commanders in masse in every lobby
- Long queue times
- Shit ping sometimes
No thanks 🙂↔️
再见
another point = its extremely easy to queue snipe your friends
There’s literally no SBMM. It definitely isnt on operations. And it would be absolutely useless for it to be on warfare. If anything, it would be more inclined to be on warfare as the stakes are higher.
@EndersFPS look at how call of duty has lost half of their player base if sbmm stays this will also happen oh well
Nah sbmm is not the problem for cod.
@spiketwo666 this true but it's one of the many points on the graph
No cheaters and honestly not much if a problem with the "sbmm" here in Asia.. maybe America just has more cracked out of their minds players ?
Not really an interview but more important is I dont think the answers are any different if you were asked him on Twitter. I thought it would be longer and expected a Server Browser question. Since there is no SBMM it shouldn't be a problem.
THIS
They actually didn't dodge the question. Their mm searches for the players near your closest server. That's why you'll keep seeing the same player names.
When you introduce a new server, those players are pulled out of a different server, they would previously get matched to, increasing the queue time on the previous server.
You simply don't understand how the mm works and instead you come up with false claims.
i had so much hope for this game, i mean i have more then 90 hours by now but they are just going to act like activision clearly
Thx u for taking your time for the Q&A and all your content!
Sign all that
Just play to get kills since that is fundamentally the most fun part of the game anyway. The things you want to avoid like the plague is destroying enemy vehicles since they give massive amount of points and ofc reviving and healing team mates.
I'll give the devs benefit of the doubt and say they aren't just straight up lying.
The statement that there are just two pools of players, new and experienced, can be what we see if "new" and "experienced" is based off of skill as measured by score per minute, kills per minute, and or kill/deaths. New players are really just low skill players (by these measures) whereas experienced get above some threshold. This also explains how players can get stuck forever in the "new" player lobbies.
I'm guessing -- like a lot of things in Warfare -- it's because of Operations.
It honestly makes way more sense to split the population like that in Operations. Extractions are more akin to old school deathmatch games, where a little bit of skill difference (movement tech, aiming, and map knowledge ESPECIALLY) can make a HUUUGE impact in match. Timmy may have fun getting stomped by rapha once for the novelty, but it gets old fast. So yes, MMR matchmaking in operations is a necessity.
It just doesn't work in Warfare though, which is about as far from a deathmatch as a shooter can get. These games should be egoless, casual, shooter fodder where it's fun to just run around and shoot stuff. Instead this matchmaking has me checking every possible angle like it's counter-strike. And even then with 32 enemies with info-spamming-abilities shit changes in an instant in a way you can't predict or prepare.
You just get needlessly frustrating matches for both pools -- "new" lobbies where emergent objective play is a miracle and "experienced" lobbies where rats, cheese, and meta sheeple run amok. It would be cool if the devs figure it out and make a different matchmaker for Warfare but I don't see it happening. In their minds they are probably protecting the "new" players, rather than just making the most frustrating fps ever for both pools.
Oddly every delta force video where ive seen you playing, you seem sweaty.
he is lol but what he is saying is that battlefield type games function better when everyone is just slapped together, you have sweatlords and noobs on the same team and it makes it feel diverse for everyone involved, personally i am not an amazing player and of course get wiped by sweatlords, but it feels great when after a while i manage to outplay and beat the sweat.
Iirc he said what looks sweaty to us is him just playing on autopilot from having thousands of hours in various Battlefield titles.
he's just on autopilot. he's naturally a good player
bro on the thumbnail looking like he accidentally called p diddy and not the dev
There are 100k players yet I play the same 20 sweats all the time. I dont want to play people that that have never touched grass or seen the sun
I feel personally attacked 💀
I am also seeing the same guys over and over again in my matches across days/weeks. EU servers are so sweaty, it's crazy. I queued on NA and SEA servers too and dominated the games there (I am only average on EU). So it's either that you have a specific MMR per server region or players on NA/SEA are just not so sweaty
@@KoraTee its not an attack, if you want to be a comp gamer that is fine but the tens of thousands of people that have no intention to play competitively and just want to have balanced fun , are being forced to play with sweats.
One theme I hear about SBMM complaints is that players seem to prefer games be easier, and not feel like a playoff game all the time. I hear that, but for average players playing against a team with 2-3 players with over 80 kills each while everyone else is getting 15-25 feels unbalanced also. This would certainly cause lesser skilled players then folks like Enders to quit playing the game totally. I don't know what the solution is, I will leave that up to ppl who know more about the system than I do, but nobody likes getting slaughtered all the time either.
Enders, I'm Braziliam player of Delta Force, and in Brazil there is just one server, in São Paulo and another server in any Location in Latin America, probably in Chile. I played in Alpha and beta of Delta force as well... and i´m playing since the global Launch, via steam, and here in braziliam servers I never waited 6 minutes for any kind of mode... Here in Brazil there are two ways to play, via Garena and via Steam. Garena is the representant of tencent in brazil, and unfortunately steam and Garena don't share his players, progression and etc, so we have less players in this two way to play and here in brazil we never wait more than 2 minutes to play havoc warfare ranked or not ranked. Obviously the wait per match is much less than 2 minutes, but the maximum wait is 2 minutes when this rarely happens.
Ranked is just that when you lose your rank decreasing by a specific amount of points. And when you win your rank will increased untill you hit the next rank and you acquire a rewards that is shown if you click on the rank tap
This is my first pc fps and I got to say the wall hack arrow is the bane of my existence as an objective player. Stealth is not allowed lol
The "rank mode" is not a localization issue. I come from China, and even in China, although developers don't use the term "rank mode" in the game, every players is calling it "rank mode".
It makes sense what you're saying enders I've been having some really sweaty games it's crazy and I'm not even that good
About MMR in this game I played 3 games with only getting 5 kills every game, and the next two games they put me against actually normal people the MMR in this game is crazy.
Wow, I agree with you one hundred percent on this topic. Never ever played an FPS pvp game like this before. Thats right no COD, Battlefield nada. I been playing now since the first week. The game feels like a job more than an escape. One thing though, lately the last week or so my kills been goin up and my deaths going down. I understand now how to take advantage of spots on the map. Dont virtually RUN into bullets like I first did. Keep up the good work and make lots of money. Well done.
My experience looks more or less like this: I play 2 matches where my team wins and then the next match is super sweatfest where I get barely any frags and my team loses, because everyone on opposite teams runs around like they're on aderrall and I get beamed from all sides. I play like one more match like this and lose, then I'm matched again with a more chill lobby where it's mostly easy win. Rinse and repeat. Same with Operations: in 2 raids I get my ass kicked by 3 man squad, then the next raid I'm paired with timmies that just started the game.
No nobody's surprise whatsoever, the Enders honeymoon period is coming to a close.
It will be interesting to see when console and mobile gamers are joining in the western world servers to see how quick your games are and how spread the SBMM/EOMM is.
today i was focusing in getting a emblem from "D-Wolf", i won 1 game with +- 70 kills, then i played like 12 games, i lost everything, i spawn and died, my team was like playing with monitor turn off, im done with games in general, i unistall all, thanks for keep trying! good luck!
imagine queueing for 3+ minutes just to be obliterated by top global on the oponent team
63/64 is most likely a bug in their MM algo, preventing it from completing. It being 100% because of a SBMM limiting the pool seems extremely coincidental that you only need 1 more person, instead of any other number from 1-64.
Good theory but hard to pinpoint without more evidence IMO
sticking to BF3 BF4 no sbmm :)
6 minute queue is literally unplayable
You could simply take a VPN people also use for Warzone SBMM and try if it helps to make your lobbies easier
Im on the west coast but retired and I can play anytime of day for as long as I want to. I have come to know the players on the other team quite well in that time as yes I do seem to play against the same group. On the other hand I dont play extraction much at all. My wait times in Warfare average about one minute no matter what day or time it is.
I’m surprised you don’t ask about the gunplay it is a lot like early 2042 where there are no engagement distances and if you see someone you just full auto beam them across the map
if you ptfo and revive people you will get the sweatfest madness, play like that in oce and all you get is cheaters and streamers in your lobbies
OCE doesn't have enough players for SBMM.
@@griffin1366 100%, thats a big reason why i stopped playing. i want the game to succeed and be good but i just cant with the sbmm, minimal content, broken operators and cheating
Know what i like about your gameplay over other Delta Force creators?
Your guns actually show recoil in your videos.
Everyone else just seems to have a no recoil laser rifle.
i think there will never be lobbies in any game where everyone can just play casual and have fun. there will be always a amount of player who have to give their hardest to keep up with the lobbies they are in.
I have a 634 average score a min, 3.5m score over 230 battles with 5663 operator kills and my match making time for me is less than 3 minutes
yeah thats low
@4:05 6-minute queue solo play has to be match-making. It can cram one person damn anywhere.
So it’s an achievement mode. Then why do I lose rank when I quit 150ms ping games…
There should be A SYSTEM in place. I'm really bad at the game, and I keep getting into lobbies where I cant even play, so how am I supposed to learn? I would have to guess, but my KD is probably around 0.1 or less. I frequently end matches with 1-5 kills and there is players with 60+. I cant learn the maps if I live less than 5sec. I cant practice shooting or using my abilities if I cant live long enough to use them. A system must be put in the game, or the barrier to entry for new players, older folk or ppl new to FPSs is going to be too high, which can kill a game...
If 40/64 players are excellent at the game, how is the rest supposed to learn? You should advocate for them fixing the system, not removing it. If I played a match against you Ender, if I havent seen your chanel, I would have thought you are cheating. We have no reason to be in the same lobby...
i kept getting qued into lobbies where everyone is 120 ping literally unplayble. people would suddenly get teleported into my screen and i die instantly.
There is SBMM in operations?
Sometimes I think it does as I don't stop finding Pinacles.
I think the 63/64 players thing is a bug, happens sometimes and can sit like that for over 10min. Sometimes eventually you’ll load in and it’ll be full of AI. Cancel the queue/change modes/restart the game and it usually goes back to taking 1 min.
Had lots of fun with the game for the first 50 hours or so. After i got accustomed with the game and started reaching the top end of scoreboards, the lobbies also were getting noticably harder to perform well in. After a certain point i just lost interest and stopped playing. Will happily return if MMR matchmaking gets addressed or if the developers at very least admit, that they lied about MMR matchmaking existing in DF.
I'm a regular viewer of your channel
thanks gamer
Any big team game with no server browser 100% has sometype of SBMM system. If it was just connection based matchmaking I'd get into games instantly but I don't...except for my first game or two of the week when I get into games instantly and I guess the SBMM isn't activated yet because lack of activity on my account.
That’s real, I’m playing since 3 weeks and in about 30% of the matches I see the same guys in the rounds.
I love how you asked them directly face to face, you left them basically no room to avoid the question and they predictably still tried to weasel out of answering it... I actually don't even necessarily disagree with having SBMM in the game, but the BLATANT lying seals the deal for me. If they can't even be honest about this, basically everything they say is worthless, they just tell us what they think we want to hear, the rest is just meaningless garbage.
They should add a 6v6 or 8v8 mode or maybe even 10v10 mode that would be awesome
I just felt like a bit of stretching my stomach. That I've ate a carbonara on Anton's Pasta and the portion is unbelievable
If I am going to be honest brother, whether your thoughts are right and mine are wrong, or vice versa, it doesn't really matter at the end of the day. If you want things to change then the best way to do that is by not playing/buying into the game at all. I don't mean this in a combative tone either, I simply mean just that. This is the fastest and surest way to have them change the game to fit more of the players wants. Don't get me wrong, I love Delta Force as I have put in over 300 hours into it. But I also want others to enjoy this game as well which means I can also continue to play the game since theoretically more people will play if changes are made to suit the players wants/needs.
At first I thought that I was also being put into super sweat lobbies but when I start to look at my teams performance overall in the match, it doesn't quite seem to be the case. Are there sweats in my lobbies? There sure are. But not all of them are sweats as the scoreboards for the overall teams performance says otherwise to me. I'm talking about low revive counts, low kills, high deaths, and just low score in general. This kind of sounds weird to say (but also not really...?) but I feel like since alot of games that have come out in the past decade that have been littered with SBMM, I think everyones "skill level" has just gone up since they have had to play against people of their skill level and forced to just get better. And that is why everyone seems to be a sweat at the game. Thats just my take on it though.
Now I will say however, I am really curious about your experience and thoughts on the Operations mode. I would love to see a video or anything about that from you on this topic. I have my own opinions on it, but I don't want to potentially ruin your experience on this with my own. I enjoy both game modes for what they are just to be clear, but just because I have enjoyment doesn't mean everyone will have the same experience. I look forward to your future vids brother, keep up the good work!
After Alpha and beta guess I recognized this early on with the final release. I have 10 hrs in and quit. My best match was the 1st one and went down hill from there. I tried again this weekend and finished 2 matches and quit 3 spent more time with all the minutia than gaming. Not for me I went back to equally bad but marginally better BF at least its a bit more straight forward.
I've tried Delta Force Warfare, but I just don't like it. There's so much wrong with it that I much rather play BF2042...
You’re lucky my avg wait time is at least 18 minutes
i really love ur df content
because of the mmr match making in some low player areas it doubles the ping the minimum is like 80
i think i have a work around for the SBMM for King of the Hill since thats the only mode i really play. i was getting pretty much instant pop ques wen i 1st started to play, then it went to about 10-20 second ques, then i started to notice it was taking about a minute to put me in a game. at the same time as me getting the 1 minute ques i was also getting nothing but Shafted. after about the 3rd game in a row of Shafted i got tilted and just left wen i loaded in. for the rest of my play session I kept leaving whenever it gave me Shafted. at the same time as me leaving games the ques were taking less time. i figured that leaving a game before it finished lowers ur rank.
that said for someone like Enders, who plays pretty much every day for a few hours and has a 6minute + que time this doesnt really fix the issue since they would need to do this every day if not multiple times a day and spend maybe an hour or so doing it each time. but for the rest of us it might be worth giving it a go.
TL:DR if you start to notice the ques times take long, just spam leave games, maybe kill urself a few times to tank ur SBMM rating till the ques are back to a more acceptable length.
in oce we have bots that are taken out as real players join, queues will go for 5-10 mins and slowly tick up in players to 64, then when it starts its just 8v8 real players with 24 bots a side.. another side effect of this is that the games are horribly unbalanced as those starting players get to farm the braindead ai for upwards of 10k points before the game really begins
I'm not a good mechanical player but i'm really good at map reading and good positionning. I play engineer and recon. So my spm is pretty high and half my games are playing against absolute sweatlords where i can't even move without getting one tap. So exhausting and frustrating. I can't have a break in my games.
Im around 700 SPM not really ever tryharded to get score beside getting Marshal in ranked but even at 700 SPM my lobbies are insane.
bro why you talk so much about SBMM it doesn't matter just play the game or if you don't like it then don't stop crying about it so much
I have already practically quit the game because of SBMM. Every match was a tournament in a game that's innately casual. Went back to milsim games since there is no sbmm and you can either try hard or just mess around with boys in voice chat.
The guy beside clearly had given strict and precise instruction on what to say and what not to say which to me felt fake and not trustworthy. Also, they clearly wanted Enders to ask this particular question since he's been the most vocal about it. Also, they know he would ask this question so they had prepared for it. I think the main motive for not being transparent about this topic and why they will not change SBMM is because there are some monetization elements involved that they will not disclose. At the end of the day they are a company and not a charity and all companies want/need to make money somehow. The sad thing is that they have chosen the wrong way of monetizing this game and I think that it will ultimately be the number one reason why ppl will stop playing DF. For me; I will gladly play it (keeping a low score/min of course so that I dont end up in sweaty lobbies 100% of the time LOL) until BF6 comes out, then I will not play DF anymore. Unless they remove SBMM. And IMO, the number of operators/operators concept will also be one of the reasons ppl will get tired of it in the end.
At one match during warfare. I and this one player snipe each other from afar many times during that match.
Guess what happen the next match after?
We end up in a same team and in a same squad 😂
What would it take to definitely prove that SBMM isn't in the game? It would be some sort of code right?
What if now that the game has been out for two months many of the casual players have just left, and most of who is left are the people who are good at the game?
Nah, that's cap. It's was my first time playing M&K, I got 5 kills 24 deaths, and we won. I'm no good with a computer, but if it just gets console support, I could no life this game easy.
They could start by giving a conclusive answer. They keep using language which leaves room for some sort of system. Probably so you can't nail them to the wall with it "We want to assure you there is no real, lets say SBMM in our game". Thats arbitary, they just dont consider their system 'real sbmm' and can therfor state this without it being false.
In the written response they said they don't use any "crazy 50% WR SBMM". That statement allows them to use a 40% WR SBMM if they wanted. Since it's not 50%, and crazy is a subjective definition. Every single mention of SBMM in that statement has the adjective of 50% WR or crazy. Most people's reading comprehension is way to shit to pick up on that though.
Every statement they made about this is a specific or subjective component. So they can start by saying "We use completely random matchmaking without any sort of components that look at stats or numbers". But we all know thats not true, so they won't say that.
Me and my friends stopped playing DF like 2 weeks ago after stopping having fun in it because of the hard lobbies. And we fled from COD due to the same reason
Would love to know how it's meant to work for Operations, Bronze players getting matched against DF/Gods of War all the time
I actually do what you say.. Play and chill and have around 700 avg spm, but hit marshall ages ago. I try hard occasionally and am easily able to get 800-1200 since you need to get to Marshall but first few ranks I just doodles along and try to learn and see what's viable. I don't get the sweatiest lobbies but they are not non sweaty for sure. Trying to keep spm under 800
I don't trust them. I can only go by what I was running into when I was playing, but it didn't feel like there was no SBMM. I'd also like to point out I was 63/64 for about 15 minutes and when I finally got into a game about half of each team were marked with the AI tag. So 30ish people left the queue just as it popped?
They avoid answering the question and dont want to be transparent. Okay, then their game will die in less than 6 month, but at least when we saw the first real gameplay of the new BF. To be clear: I'm talking about the Warfare mode, not the Operations. Im quite sure that the playerbase is more in the "Operations side".
I had a single match with 60 - 7 in k/d and I’ve never been able to have a chill match since (I did that last month)
If you are like me and play anti vehicle and objectives, my spm is high (750s) and puts me in the sweatfest lobbies. It's brutal
its f*cking insane how the sbmm works, one game is perfect, BUT THE NEXT 3 or 4 games you are with authentic and useless players,
Pretty sure you got a 6min queue due to the matchmaking being bugged. It gets stuck on 63/64 regularly for lots of players.
I feel like soo many aspects of life in the modern day have been ruined by nerds with spreadsheets.
Pretty buildings?
Spreadsheet says that costs more
Ping is King? Server Browsers?
Spreadsheet says we can sell more skins with SBMM and retain some extra low skill players
I have more examples, but they may get a little political. Basically, the idea is that beauty, artistry, individual fun, and functionality are all thrown to the side in favor of SQUEEZING every last penny
Wow guys, all these lobbies are always so sweaty. Anyway watch me get 10 kills in a minute while I tell you more about how hard these lobbies are.
Regardless of the state of MMR or not, I just love the respect the developers are giving to you, compared to the way BF2042 team treated you, at least there is two way communication here.
I thought I was the only one who felt I was in these sweaty lobbies....and I'm just above average! It sucks playing against top tier players all the time. Just because I do a bit better doesn't mean I want to be in a stressful game 99% of the time.
Yeah this game has big problem with sounds man... for example, in "BF V" i can hear running or footsteps behind the wall perfectly that looks like Wall Hack....But IN THIS GAME i cant hear party of enemies acrossing house where i trying to take a point T_T
Not to mention the tanks and heavy machinery that rushes at you from behind and just runs over you because you didn't hear it.
how they dodged the question? for me they were very direct saying that's there's no sbmm and how can you tweak something that doesn't exist? this is starting to look like a rage bait at this point.
edit: the part about 6 minutes queue is a bug, you said that you got 63/64 players, that's a bug that got reported many times in the discord/reddit. it's not a matchmaking issue.
Because you lack analystical skills. They said "We want to assure you our system has no real, lets call it SBMM". Pay close attention to the words "No real" and " Lets call it SBMM". Whatever system they employ they just don't consider real SBMM. Making their statement truthful, even if they do employ some other match making system based on performance metrics. All the communication they ever did about SBMM is filled with very carefully chosen words that never deny the existence of a MMR system outright, just specific versions or interpretations of it.
Never ever have they said "Our matchmaking system doesn't look at any sort of performance metrics or numbers when it tries to matchmake you".
Perhaps they truly believe their system isn't SBMM and they are just tone deaf to what players are talking about when they complain about this. Or perhaps it's just PR to be deliberately vague.