Hi, just bought a Torin Black Jack 8 ton welded bottle jack, its heavy, awesome and pretty straightforward since its welded sealed, and probably unserviceable to some extent, as far as seal replacement on piston n plunger relates. The release screw youre right, just hand tight to seal height, any more force will wear down pressure release screw. Thanks for the videos you do, seen them for some years ago. I thought on building custom double box end wrenches using impact sockets cut to fit, and some flat steel bars machined forged to fit and welded, at some point we mechanics will build a few tools custom or for heavy extended use on standard bolt sizes, long life wrenches for a special need.
I have an old sears 2 ton jack that is just the smallest thing I have ever seen. the seals rotted out on it years ago and all the fluid ran out, but I just filled it with some really thick transmission fluid that's more like a gear oil, and tried it out and it still lifts the front of my truck effortlessly. I was amazed by that little thing. I thought it would struggle a little bit, but no it stayed strong and didn't drift at all. I mean it's still well within spec but for how old and rotten it is, it's no slouch.
My biggest issue is having to crawl under a truck that only has jack points way under to twist the release lever. The pumping tool Is not long enough for some vehicles. Any tips
I use a scissor jack. Mine is an older GM truck one that has a 4 foot long handle that hooks on the jack and allows you to safely push it under the vehicle. Extremely low profile as well for cars. I am surprised they aren't more popular.
I recently bought a pretty good (I thought) bottle jack for my jeep but I keep it in a canvas bag, stored on it's side and it is leaking. Would all bottle jacks leak when stored on their sides or do i have a lemon? Thanks, cuz it seems no one on youtube addressed this issue.
It is an issue with bottle Jack's some leak when stored their side, some don't. They do not have the same upper piston seals like heavy equipment cylinders. They also Caan leak from the rubber fill plug on the side.
So I was thinking of replacing my factory scissor jack for one of these because mine failed on me. I take it that these bottle jacks aren't good for replacing a flat?
My suggestion would be get a heavy duty scissor jack. I use an older GM one that came with their 90s trucks. Mine has a long 4 foot handle that attaches to slide the jack, is cupped for safety, and is extremely low profile.
That orange 2 stage jack is found in Mitsubishi Montero’s from 1984-1999. Possibly even after 99 but I’m not completely sure. I’ve owned 8 Montero’s but only one was a latter one (2005) and I didnt get to check the included Jack.
I have a late '93 Mitsubishi Pajero here in Australia, same as a Montero/Shogun, pretty sure it has the factory jack, so I'll have to check it out tomorrow. I just looked at the factory jack in my 2009 Mitsubishi L300/Express Van and to my surprise it has pretty much the exact same two stage orange jack as he showed in this video, I think it must be a Japanese car maker thing.🤣👍
This inspired me to go take a look at the factory bottle jack in my 2009 Mitsubishi Express/L300 Van here in Australia, which I've never needed to try out. To my surprise it's also a two stage bottle jack, and the first one I've ever seen too, I think it must be a Japanese car maker thing. It's a very small orange bottle jack almost identical to your orange one, also 1500kg rated, but the bolt down hole is closer to the corner of the base, the base is also plate steel just like yours. Collapsed height is 6-1/2" and with both stages fully extended it measures 15" total height. Interestingly mine extends the narrow ram first, then the wider one comes up second. Also, the narrow ram collapses first, before the wider one....ahhh hydraulic jack trivia...love it🤣👍🇦🇺
Do you have any brand information of the red jack? I know a Japanese company call Masada makes 2 stage bottle jack, but they only have 1.5 tons or 3 tons, not 2 tons type.
No it does not break a bottle jack by storing it on its side. Many bottle jacks can actually even be operated while on their side the pump just has to be facing the top
I have that exact same orange jack. I turned it into a toe jack, but it gave out on me and is now leaking all over my garage. Came here trying to figure out if it was possible to repair it.
It might be possible but you need a huge wrench or socket to be able to unscrew the top of the jack and pull out the piston and replace the seals if that's where it's leaking, it may be leaking from the valve or the pump.
How much lift do I need to change a tire on a 2014 Honda CR-V? The frame is 10.5” off the ground. I’ve noticed that the travel on these jacks are about 7”.
Generally speaking when it comes to SUVs like that bottle jacks just don't have enough lift to get past the suspension travel you really need a little floor jack of some type that has a lot of travel
@@Camrographer One concern with jacks is if the tire is flat, there may not be enough space remaining to insert the jack underneath, safely. Single ram hydraulic jacks especially but also dual ram bottle jacks might also present this problem. Be sure to confirm before getting stuck somewhere where you might compromise safety, damage your vehicle, etc.
Can you recommend a jack that's fast? I need one which moves quickly but don't need huge amounts of power - for a cider press and most are super slow cycling. thanks!
@@hishamchohan494 How is it repaired, just wave a magic wand and poof, it's magically working? Seems it's welded so this means cutting it open then welding back after repair. It's often difficult or expensive enough already to locate parts, let alone the time involved cutting and welding.
I had on of those two stage bottle jacks fail on me a couple weeks ago!!! Thankful I was using it properly, had a flat and it would only fit it in middle of the chassis rail because the tire was to low to the ground so I lifted it about 2 inches then it came down in a blink of a eye. Then I was sitting around waiting on AAA. And another time I had it almost fully extend lifting a cab wit no chassis it it fell right over to the right again thank God I wasn't in harms way
Do you perhaps have any idea of how tight that nut on the 20 ton jack would be generally? I mean how much torque would you need to screw/unscrew it in Nm or lb-ft? Thanks for the video!
I have broken loose the nut while the weight of a car was supported by the jack. A large wrench or even pipe wrench, expect less than 50ftlb should be plenty. All those I've disassembled had right hand nut threads.
@@ronfox5519 The hydraulic pressure isn't (and ideally should never be) against the cylinder gland nut. The purpose of having the hydraulic cylinder under load (the jack under pressure) is to keep the jack from spinning while loosening the gland nut. You should always avoid extending the cylinder to it's upper travel limit where the gland nut is receiving hydraulic pressure because this pressure can rise dramatically beyond the capacity of the piston seal. The jack may also be placed in a jaw vice while removing the gland nut, if one is available. Bonus tip: keep top of jack covered and cylinder in home position while not in use to keep dirt and debris from collecting on the piston rod and entering the cylinder. I place a plastic bag, rag or paint spray can cover over the gland nut for this reason. You may notice many jacks no longer have a removable gland nut. Personally, I avoid these disposable jacks.
Those things are dangerous. I thought about getting myself a bottle jack because I like that it’s so compact. But that was until I saw a video on UA-cam where a guy demonstrated how one tip over and slipped out from under the car frame. The problem arises that the base is fairly narrow and if you have any horizontal force applied from the frame, it can slip right out from under the car
I use an older GM truck scissor jack that came with their 90s trucks. Mine has a long 4 foot handle that attaches to slide the jack under the vehicle safely, is cupped to prevent slippage, and is extremely low profile for cars. Much better than a bottle jack imo.
Fake?? Found in the market here Mamada bottle jack on offer and claims Made in Japan. Is this fake? After watching your vid I bought 7 ton Masada. This Japanese company has been making bottle jacks since 1946; gives me confidence. It costs me about US$27. Will a
I’ve never been so interested in bottle jacks. This guys good.
Same here
Hi, just bought a Torin Black Jack 8 ton welded bottle jack, its heavy, awesome and pretty straightforward since its welded sealed, and probably unserviceable to some extent, as far as seal replacement on piston n plunger relates. The release screw youre right, just hand tight to seal height, any more force will wear down pressure release screw. Thanks for the videos you do, seen them for some years ago. I thought on building custom double box end wrenches using impact sockets cut to fit, and some flat steel bars machined forged to fit and welded, at some point we mechanics will build a few tools custom or for heavy extended use on standard bolt sizes, long life wrenches for a special need.
It sounds like you've got a good plan for some custom tools!
Yep! Welding skills open world of possibilities!
the seals in the seal shop are playing black jack?
Buddy. You just answered every single question I have ever had about bottle jacks. Thank 👏🏻you 👏🏻Sir👏🏻
I have an old sears 2 ton jack that is just the smallest thing I have ever seen. the seals rotted out on it years ago and all the fluid ran out, but I just filled it with some really thick transmission fluid that's more like a gear oil, and tried it out and it still lifts the front of my truck effortlessly. I was amazed by that little thing. I thought it would struggle a little bit, but no it stayed strong and didn't drift at all. I mean it's still well within spec but for how old and rotten it is, it's no slouch.
My biggest issue is having to crawl under a truck that only has jack points way under to twist the release lever. The pumping tool Is not long enough for some vehicles. Any tips
I use a scissor jack. Mine is an older GM truck one that has a 4 foot long handle that hooks on the jack and allows you to safely push it under the vehicle. Extremely low profile as well for cars. I am surprised they aren't more popular.
I recently bought a pretty good (I thought) bottle jack for my jeep but I keep it in a canvas bag, stored on it's side and it is leaking. Would all bottle jacks leak when stored on their sides or do i have a lemon? Thanks, cuz it seems no one on youtube addressed this issue.
It is an issue with bottle Jack's some leak when stored their side, some don't. They do not have the same upper piston seals like heavy equipment cylinders. They also Caan leak from the rubber fill plug on the side.
You can use a bottle jack axle lifting saddle to lift the vehicle from a solid axle as well.
Check out the current Ford Truck bottle jacks. They are also 2 stage.
So I was thinking of replacing my factory scissor jack for one of these because mine failed on me. I take it that these bottle jacks aren't good for replacing a flat?
My suggestion would be get a heavy duty scissor jack. I use an older GM one that came with their 90s trucks. Mine has a long 4 foot handle that attaches to slide the jack, is cupped for safety, and is extremely low profile.
That orange 2 stage jack is found in Mitsubishi Montero’s from 1984-1999. Possibly even after 99 but I’m not completely sure. I’ve owned 8 Montero’s but only one was a latter one (2005) and I didnt get to check the included Jack.
I have a late '93 Mitsubishi Pajero here in Australia, same as a Montero/Shogun, pretty sure it has the factory jack, so I'll have to check it out tomorrow.
I just looked at the factory jack in my 2009 Mitsubishi L300/Express Van and to my surprise it has pretty much the exact same two stage orange jack as he showed in this video, I think it must be a Japanese car maker thing.🤣👍
@@simonilett998It's called a double ram jack.
Ford Super duty trucks come with them as well but it's yellow and it's 4 ton.
@@IDIturboDiesel sounds perfect. Something to keep my eye out for at the junkyard.
How high does a 7 ton Masada MH7 lift. Can one lift the car high enough for maintenance or just tire change; of course with jack stands
never do under car
maintenance with bottle jacks. Only tire change.
This inspired me to go take a look at the factory bottle jack in my 2009 Mitsubishi Express/L300 Van here in Australia, which I've never needed to try out.
To my surprise it's also a two stage bottle jack, and the first one I've ever seen too, I think it must be a Japanese car maker thing.
It's a very small orange bottle jack almost identical to your orange one, also 1500kg rated, but the bolt down hole is closer to the corner of the base, the base is also plate steel just like yours.
Collapsed height is 6-1/2" and with both stages fully extended it measures 15" total height.
Interestingly mine extends the narrow ram first, then the wider one comes up second.
Also, the narrow ram collapses first, before the wider one....ahhh hydraulic jack trivia...love it🤣👍🇦🇺
Excellent commentary! Thank you. I learned quite a bit.
Do you have any brand information of the red jack? I know a Japanese company call Masada makes 2 stage bottle jack, but they only have 1.5 tons or 3 tons, not 2 tons type.
Search for "telescopic bottle jack". Plenty available here in the UK, different makes and sizes.
What happens if you store Masada bottle jack on the side? Does it get irreparably damaged.
No it does not break a bottle jack by storing it on its side. Many bottle jacks can actually even be operated while on their side the pump just has to be facing the top
I have that exact same orange jack. I turned it into a toe jack, but it gave out on me and is now leaking all over my garage. Came here trying to figure out if it was possible to repair it.
It might be possible but you need a huge wrench or socket to be able to unscrew the top of the jack and pull out the piston and replace the seals if that's where it's leaking, it may be leaking from the valve or the pump.
Very educational. Good teacher
How much lift do I need to change a tire on a 2014 Honda CR-V? The frame is 10.5” off the ground. I’ve noticed that the travel on these jacks are about 7”.
Generally speaking when it comes to SUVs like that bottle jacks just don't have enough lift to get past the suspension travel you really need a little floor jack of some type that has a lot of travel
I bought the Harbor freight 6ton bottle jack. It has a lower profile that the others. I'm confident that it will clear the body now. @@CatusMaximus
@@Camrographer One concern with jacks is if the tire is flat, there may not be enough space remaining to insert the jack underneath, safely. Single ram hydraulic jacks especially but also dual ram bottle jacks might also present this problem. Be sure to confirm before getting stuck somewhere where you might compromise safety, damage your vehicle, etc.
@@thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259 I tried it out on the car frame and made an allowance for a flat tire.
@@Camrographer Great, yes the crv does have good ground clearance.
Hi, should you store the jack with the release valve open or closed? Cheers 🍻
Lightly closed is recommended
So these aren't good for changing out a tire of a pickup truck?
Yes you can use them to change your tire on it vehicle with an axle it's that they have a narrow base and are unstable
Can you recommend a jack that's fast? I need one which moves quickly but don't need huge amounts of power - for a cider press and most are super slow cycling. thanks!
A Double Pump Floor jack piston
Screw jack ran by an impact wrench.
Scissor Jack's are nearly free at your local junkyard.
How can a welded jack be repaired/rebuilt?
Not really it's totally not worth it to cut out the weld fix it and then reweld it
It can be repaired,
Brand like mega spain jacks
Japanese jacks
@@hishamchohan494 How is it repaired, just wave a magic wand and poof, it's magically working? Seems it's welded so this means cutting it open then welding back after repair. It's often difficult or expensive enough already to locate parts, let alone the time involved cutting and welding.
@@thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259 you don't have to.cut it.
Just use hook and needle tools to remove that lock ring on the top of the ram/
@@thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259by the way ,what brand or model or ton it is?
I had on of those two stage bottle jacks fail on me a couple weeks ago!!! Thankful I was using it properly, had a flat and it would only fit it in middle of the chassis rail because the tire was to low to the ground so I lifted it about 2 inches then it came down in a blink of a eye. Then I was sitting around waiting on AAA. And another time I had it almost fully extend lifting a cab wit no chassis it it fell right over to the right again thank God I wasn't in harms way
Good comment an example of why you have to really respect little bottle jacks and lifting up heavy things in general
I'm a tow truck driver and use a low profile jack but I run into trouble with trucks especially lifted trucks with big tires
Stack wood under the jack
My 2006 Dodge sprinter came with a 3 stage hydraulic jack.
Awesome video! I've been curious about that 20 ton just to have around.
The newer bottle jacks from Harbor Freight or better than the old ones
That little 2T screw looks like it could barely support a chair
Masada still makes a range of 2 stage jacks. Search online.
My 2017 Toyota Tundra came with similar 2 stages bottle jack like the one shown in this video.
Do you perhaps have any idea of how tight that nut on the 20 ton jack would be generally? I mean how much torque would you need to screw/unscrew it in Nm or lb-ft? Thanks for the video!
Just use a pipe wrench
I have broken loose the nut while the weight of a car was supported by the jack. A large wrench or even pipe wrench, expect less than 50ftlb should be plenty. All those I've disassembled had right hand nut threads.
@@thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259 make a video and up load it
@@thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259 50ft-lb?? While under pressure???
Sounds very unlikely. Does the pressure somehow reduce the torque needed?
@@ronfox5519 The hydraulic pressure isn't (and ideally should never be) against the cylinder gland nut. The purpose of having the hydraulic cylinder under load (the jack under pressure) is to keep the jack from spinning while loosening the gland nut.
You should always avoid extending the cylinder to it's upper travel limit where the gland nut is receiving hydraulic pressure because this pressure can rise dramatically beyond the capacity of the piston seal.
The jack may also be placed in a jaw vice while removing the gland nut, if one is available.
Bonus tip: keep top of jack covered and cylinder in home position while not in use to keep dirt and debris from collecting on the piston rod and entering the cylinder. I place a plastic bag, rag or paint spray can cover over the gland nut for this reason.
You may notice many jacks no longer have a removable gland nut. Personally, I avoid these disposable jacks.
Torin jacks are well made. I have a few of them 12 ton, 20 tons, and a 50 ton
Curious to what you use a 50 ton one for
@@MrRepid probably leveling a house.
@@Azeminad that's crazy
@@MrRepid
And machine work as well.
Also, it's nice to use oversized Jack's for the peace of mind that comes from the extra strength and stability.
Another great video! Thanks!
:)
Those things are dangerous. I thought about getting myself a bottle jack because I like that it’s so compact. But that was until I saw a video on UA-cam where a guy demonstrated how one tip over and slipped out from under the car frame. The problem arises that the base is fairly narrow and if you have any horizontal force applied from the frame, it can slip right out from under the car
I use an older GM truck scissor jack that came with their 90s trucks. Mine has a long 4 foot handle that attaches to slide the jack under the vehicle safely, is cupped to prevent slippage, and is extremely low profile for cars. Much better than a bottle jack imo.
@@jameshill4900 I prefer the small wheeled jack.
@@Gaba-oo4qb Definitely much safer than a bottle jack. I've had trouble using them in low profile cars but it sounds like it's working well for you 👍
real short 18 minutes
And 40 seconds!
I found one in my car, I've never even knew I had one
Thanks cool video
Thank you
Fake?? Found in the market here Mamada bottle jack on offer and claims Made in Japan. Is this fake? After watching your vid I bought 7 ton Masada. This Japanese company has been making bottle jacks since 1946; gives me confidence. It costs me about US$27. Will a
Thats not a gauge port on the black jack . Its the relief valve assembly. You make some very dangerous assumptions.
It's a grower not a shower
Quick video?? Almost 20 minutes...
Quite the video!