The Linux Browser Olympics
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- Опубліковано 30 лип 2024
- Benchmarking the most popular web browsers in gnu/linux
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Of course chromium and edge have similar benchmarks, they both use Blink as their browser engine. Blink is Google's web engine, which they forked from Webkit (Apple's web engine used in Safari) which was forked from KHTML (used in the Konqueror browser in the KDE Linux desktop enviroment).
Before using Google's Blink engine, Microsofts browsers used Microsoft's own engine (Trident).
FireFox has always used the Gecko engine (It looked like Mozilla were going to replace Gecko with Servo, a new engine developed in Rust, but Mozilla ran out of money and couldn't afford to continue development on Servo)
that last bit is unfortunate
@@Lacter12 Hey Puro :v
That's pretty cool, I didn't know all that.
@@Lacter12 no it's very fortunate if it was written in rust there's no doubt that trains people were in there making tons of shitty code
Its not *just* that. blink is a rendering engine while V8 javascript engine (imo matters more although it is used inside of blink). Engines aside they all are just chromium + theme. Brave is basically chromium + custom config and theme. They all really are the same shiet
"10 reasons bill gates is the anitchrist" LMFAO
@kobeftw2400 a word thats banned on here :(
its true
Nah Trump is the real antichrist
@Rlaziken I always screenshot these types of texts. Thanks.
@kobeftw2400 Brandon.
it’s sad to know ff is the slowest among these, but I’ll keep using it, as I don’t want the web browser market to be only chromium reskins. the more competition the better
competition would imply the rival app attempting to be better, not just existing as the contrarian's choice
@@guyperson6567 it’s not a choice just to say you don’t use a chromium reskin it’s to support the possibility that some other browser may compete. If ff dies at this point google has the total opportunity to tool the internet to only work in a reasonable sense on chrome.
@@Trighhorn good let them die. ff is terrible
@@aws96314 ff is only terrible out of the box
@@batorerdyniev9805 I really hate how slow it is, and for the average users it's not worth it to go and play with settings
dont screw with us waterfox users
theres like two of us and we will get sad if you say anything bad
3.5
If Waterfox didn't sell out to an ad company, I would have kept using it.
@@comicsans1689 waterfox got only funded by system1 and the guy is still free to do whatever he wants.
but i aint stopping anyone from making up conspiracy theories that they're forcing some tracking glowieware to be added into waterfox.
More categories of Olympics would be nifty. Both the practical and the weird ones.
Even with ff being slow, it's not noticeable. I would still choose ff just because it's not chrome and chromium, and Google has already shown they are willing to use their dominancy to break web standards.
The slowness of ff only becomes noticeable for people with unstable network connection
@@yourfellowhumanbeing2323 how so? Executing javascript happens after downloading it fully anyways right? So downloading it slowly and then adding 40 extra ms shouldn't be as noticeable? I am speaking as someone with fibre so if I am wrong or missing something please correct me.
Okay so I have a problem with firefox when I type really fast on some typing websites, it becomes laggy. But when I test on chromium it doesn't laggy at all.
I just can't deal with how slow, and crashy firefox is. Any time I use it I end up having it crash constantly. Though I do tend to have a looooot of tabs open, chromium browsers handle it like a champ, Firefox completely fails.
@@pawepiat6170 I meant for the extreme cases, I use fibre at home, but in the place where I am right now, the internet here is very unstable. Else there is no problem lol. I have to use this internet for 5 more months 😢
Opera started out of Norway, and might still be developed by Norwegerinos. I think the Chinese own most of the stock, though. Also, it's Chromium-based now, like almost everything.
I think most of the dev team works at vivaldi now.
Yep pretty much all the old Opera devs went to Vivaldi. I wouldn't trust Opera these days.
Yep even Opera is Chromium now
@James that makes sense since Vivaldi looks more Opera like than Opera itself, all the cool experiments happen in Vivaldi now.
@@gnuMan I really wish Vivaldi would go open source, it looks really cool but it's proprietary :(
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You mean four eyed cat man, right?
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Despite Firefox being slower in benchmarks and despite me loving chromium based browsers, I always feel like Firefox is snappier while browsing..
exactly that’s why i still use firefox over any chromium browser
honestly good old firefox w/ privacy options enabled is unbeatable. best features, best overall support and open source.
And shit tons of customization opportunities with user css support.
The native screenshot is pretty neat!
When a standard only has one implementation, those who control the implementation control the standard. We need more non-webkit browsers.
I'd like to see how Yandex browser fares. Perhaps there's some based slavic technology that we aren't aware of.
Ye I'd like to see this as well,slavs always pull things outta nowhere
@@fitmotheyap
>inb4 cyberpunk 2077
@@Bagginsess shhh
cyberpunk was a mistake
@@fitmotheyap
>inb4 arma jank
>inb4 stalker jank
>inb4 DCS early access purgatory
It is OK comrade like AK, jank does not mean wont work, only that work is not pretty. Like mines, why are you not working comrade?
not gonna lie, yandex came out of nowhere, one second I have never heard of them and the very next theyre everywhere.
I just like Firefox on linux. Idk why it just feels natural
Exept that Firefox works better on windows than linux 😂
Because it comes pre installed
@ not on arch
...Safari runs on Wine because it used to be a Windows executable and Apple compiled it for Windows a very long time ago, alike QuickTime and iTunes for Windows. What you would get for Safari is just a really ancient version on Linux and it would not compare to the modern macOS version.
Yeah.. probably not a good idea to use ancient browsers
on very low performance, single core systems with very small amounts of memory, such as antique PCs, Pale Moon cross compiled without SSE2/SSE instructions is absolutely unbeatable, there is no other secure, maintained browser compatible with modern web features that can run on such systems without completely locking up. It sits at 35% CPU usage with 2 tabs open to light websites under a minimal sysvinit debian on a pentium III 500 with 384MB ram. all other browsers are blown out of the water by this it's no comparison
Attention person who seems of decent intelligence:
pfp source?
@@keeganb6216 Darude - Sandstorm
@@keeganb6216 e621
But why care about performance on ancient PCs? It's 2021
@@NamNguyen-yh8we we may live in 2021 but some countries are still living 10+ years ago, So the people living there just cannot afford new stuff.
Thanks for the comparison Outlaw. Microsoft Edge being the best browser by a mile really took me by surprise, but your glowing review of it was all I needed to switch over me and all my family to Microsoft products!
lmaoo.
He only uses librefox.
Make of that what you will.
@@Subuzgreatest Its a joke
Gold
Edge is pretty good on Linux, and its has its own merits over vanilla chromium, but Firefox as default in most distros is still the way to go (at least when is not a snap...), the irony is that Firefox on Linux is becoming Internet Explorer
What are these merits? Am considering to change from brave to edge or chromium, but don't know yet.
at least Firefox Desktop is functional. the real new IE is definitely Safari.
or Firefox for Android (sad face)
@@guilhermerodovalho9988 Vertical tabs, Search in Sidebar, Sleeping tabs, Optimisation, downloads, etc.
Stumbled this channel like earlier last year, got into my recommended again this year and I'm loving it, 80% of what I watch on UA-cam daily is just your videos lol
Firefox might be slow but it's not noticeable. It's not a speed race anymore in the browser wars. When I use chromium I use Vivaldi btw
Vivaldi is proprietary.
@@joshix833 so?
"not noticeable" ??? firefox is slow as hell
Finally someone who's charts are as visually disgusting as the ones I make.
Those are some A+ charts.
Brave is a pretty good compromise for me. Its fast and has pretty nice privacy features out of the box.
There is a difference between the Firefox performance and how it is compiled! While on Debian Firefox got abou 78 in jetstream in my laptop, when I compiled it on Gentoo, I got 110+
And this is under llvm 12. I still haven’t managed to compile it under llvm 13 + PGO
Could it be an overhead thing?
@@superslimanoniem4712 probably because of my compiled version being specifically made for my CPUs architecture. Also, I pass some extra flags through clang to llvm in order to explore some newer features that haven’t been made standard like the attributor pass and function specialization/ hot cold splitting .
For me, performance really isn't a concern because I know my internet speed is the limit. My biggest concern is who has the best add and tracker blocking by default. For me that is Brave, zero hassle and ready to go.
Frank Hassle
honestly seeing a memory usage metric and also any webkit representative would be nice in one video like this
honestly I might do some testing like this some time in the future to see it's very insteresting
the reason I started using brave was because Firefoxs slowness was getting to much for me. however in the tests I've done just refreshing pages to see which browser reloads faster it was still better than edge, so interesting results
Despite making up only 2% of operating system users, Linux users make up 52% of bug reports.
Turns out the general crowd doesn't really know how to file bug reports. Probably explains why non-Linux OSes have so many bugs and security flaws. I would bet Linux bugs get fixed quicker too.
Installing a Microsoft browser on Linux just to be edgy.
Please don't kill me.
send location
Using bing on google chrome while using windows 11 😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎
@@kristiyanivanov7414 now
Edge has really good text to speech which I enjoy
smart guy for the please don't kill me
I miss all the "advanced configurations" Opera used to have. Like forcing turbo all the time and loading thumbnails at 25% quality only XD
lol man
I loved opera turbo but i think you can do similar things with unlock origin
Yea, Firefox is quite slow, but I still prefer to use it. FF has far superior customization options when compared to Chromium.
Imo there's only 2 browsers available to Linux: FF & Chromium. Edge and all the others are just chromium clones.
You also have gnome web, tbf
Kenny, the true browser is clearly.
Edge. Microsoft bill based edition is the most fastest and private.
ungoogled chromium gang
the high quality videos are such a treat every time
Unsuprised. When was the last time FF actually competed with chrome based browsers in benchmarks?
i think about 3yo. ff made an update of their rendering engine and they crushed everybody
@@MrDadidou quantum my beloved :)
Ungoogled Chromium might be the move honestly
This
I had to switch to it since firefox kept getting worse with every update. Firefox even wiped my browser profile after a crash once. The only thing that sucks in any chromium based browser, at least for me, is crappy wayland support. Firefox worked perfectly on wayland, while ungoogled chromium has some minor graphical glitches when ozone is enabled for native wayland support. Really pleased with it otherwise.
if only it didn't take 1+ hour to compile.. Seriously why is this still a thing
@@jgsource552 Ye
Ever heard of Firedragon?
gr8 video luke smith, keep it going!
RIP mozilla. We live in a society
Great vid as always, Ken..
I don't like to be a shill, but Edge is so awesome, it has an amazing 'Read Aloud' feature as well as vertical tabs
I ran these on Safari on an M1 Mac:
Kraken - 418.5ms
Ares6 - 11.74ms
Jetstream2 - 232.578
Speedometer - 271
WebXPRT3 - 295
Motionmark - 2002.80
damn son
holy, you just convinced me to get a m1
if this is the basic m1, imagine how much better m1 max would be
Yo my iPad Air 2 running motionmark on safari only get 81.80 lol
2002??
Epiphany (webkit) instead of Edge would have been more interesting
I'm curious how surf would perform here since it's so different. Not that I would use it but just to see how much a super-simplified browser helps with performance.
Terminal browser users: my my my what are we talking about here?
You guys got terminals?
This comment made me try out a few, thank you
don't worry, they cant watch youtube videos
@@spagootest2185
Umm, about that...you do know that mpv has a terminal client that doesn't need a graphics server to play, right?
I understand why you didn't use Google Chrome, but I would have liked to see the results. It could show people if there is a difference between chromium and chrome
Ahh yes, special olympics.
Installed edge browser on Linux yesterday 💪
Who would've thought you would make a vid 🤣
0:00 That's my thumbnail!
Edit: I didn't see this earlier, but thanks for the card link
Opera is a Norwegian based company that has been bought up by a Chinese investor
This channel is blowing up 🤩 it's a quality of life meets casually explained
Or just black Luke Smith
I’m looking at some Windows 10 benchmarks here, and FireFox isn’t this far behind at all there. Could this be a Mint thing? Maybe some more tests are needed.
i love how you put the results in the thumbnail
This was really informative, but I'd be interested to see how they compare in multi-tab performance.
Hey mental outlaw, have you ever heard of the MNT Reform laptop project? I think it would be a really cool project to cover on a video and I think it could use some more coverage in the FOSS community.
I was on a really low end laptop (2 core 1.6Ghz CPU and 4GB RAM) before getting a new one and I can confirm chromium was noticeably faster than firefox in day to day tasks and UA-cam video playback on chromium was infinity better than firefox (both had hardware acceleration enabled, it's easier to enable on firefox but once you manage to enable it on chromium, it's just way way better)
Would the benchmarks be different with degoogled chromium? It looked like you used the original google chrome
Edit:
I know It‘s the same engine. But I‘d love to know if the google bloat/ spyware makes a difference in performance
nice vid, thank you for the information!
A+ as always. Fast and thorough. I've run them all too. Now it's Brave default and Librewolf as second. Until ? With a 200 mb connection I don't see browser speed as an issue either. Back in DSL(2-3-4 mb) ol Bravo was seemingly a bit quicker.
do you think someone will somehow fork edge and make an unmicrosofted-edge?
I saw something like edge business edition or something that had less trash put into it but yeah I think someone should do that
Thank you for your free content mr outlaw
What about watt consumption ? Which one is the most efficient for e.g. laptops ?
That would be interesting testing out different browsers and stuff for speed. Certainly unique at least. I don't know of many people actually bench marking browsers but if googles whole idea with chromium is true that you can do almost everything you need to without an os through browser then you would expect the browser to at least be real responsive and fast at tasks. I'm still sticking with Librewolf now that I've switched to Garuda after your vid showcasing it. Kinda following along with linus and luke challenge of using linux, just happened to be at the same time. So far it's been going pretty good with a good couple hang ups here and there but for someone completely new to linux and using an arch distro no less it's been going better than I expected.
Plenty of people bench mark browsers. As a web dev I'm constantly worried about making sure something runs well on chromium, and gecko based browsers. Once you get into web dev you really learn how far behind Firefox is.
My 1st question is always if ublock origin is supported.
It is on all of them
Daily drive Firefox due to hardware acceleration being broken across chromium browsers. is there a way to get it working? Boot flags don't look like they're working 😔
This is a video that i will come back to maaany times :)
Hey look there’s a cute lil Gentoo penguin in the thumbnail, I love them
I wish you talked about Vivaldi, it's the best for me but it's not completely open source no one even came close to performance, customization and appearance wise.
As a super-potato laptop user I can confirm that loading my own HTML files is MUCH faster on firefox than on chromium. Also CSS based effects (animations; text changing color) are less choppy on it.
Oh my god, noooo, my firefox does suck? No way.
Man, you really won't see the difference between them in real scenario
You really will though, with my usecase Firefox is borderline unusable it starts to chug at about 50-80 tabs I've never hit a limit on a chromium browser.
I know you talked about surf a time or two. Does it have good performance?
ayy bro wexond is there :o the guys would be so proud
No browser comes even close to Vivaldi when it comes to features, looks and customizability.
lol
Which editor and screen recorder do you use to make your videos on Linux?
A special Olympics by browsers used by special people
I can confirm that Firefox is worse with performance, because if you try to run any flash games, you'll never hit good framerates.
I'll still use it though, because it also hogs up a lot less resources.
or web based emulators. although that may be not strictly javascript. i never got good framerates and there is always heavy sound crackling. no issues at all in chromium.
Chromium shell or not, you didn't include, Brave, Opera, Or Vivaldi. Most Linux daily drivers use either Firefox or Brave.
have u taken a look at dwl the wayland based dwm window manager ?
Problem is also that a lot of web devs use chrome themselves. That also means that a lot of optimising in js happens for chrome...
It would be interesting if you optimized browsers for your cpu with march mtune and at least O2
Please do!
What version of each browser have you used?
i've tried switching to firefox a couple times but it's just so slow. especially if you try playing browser games. unusable
You should do a bunch of tier list videos, distro tier list, linux browser tier list. etc. Easy view milking lol
librewolf gang homie
Cool vid, would've been nice if you explained what the benchmarks scores actually meant.
so Microsoft copies a browser, adds some proprietary code, makes it a liiiiittle (practically nothing) slower than chromium... but hey, what do you know, some linux youtubers out there saying edge is "the best browser on linux"... this makes me understand A LOT.
Also dude, the fact that when you mention edge for linux you laugh (unlike some other youtubers stepping over it as the most natural thing in the world) makes me understand that you still retain your sanity in this crazy world.
Yep
Finally,also it's not just on linux,some people really believe edge is the best on windows as well,it's nuts.(I am sadly a windows user)
Seriously though, everyone laughs when they hear Edge is on Linux, even if it doesn't make it to a video. It's friggin funny.
@@fitmotheyap it is, if it's a work laptop. There's finally no reason to install another browser if you're not using your own computer, so as far as I can tell, that means it's a pretty decent browser and by definition "the best" for many use cases. If you're on Linux though, yeah, it would be a bit weird to use Edge since the "decent browser is pre-installed" argument doesn't work in the same way with Firefox being so commonly included in distros.
@@awesomeferret I absolutely agree with you. So my point is, I really don't understand why some youtuber feels this "urge" to tell everyone how nice is Edge on linux. For the sake of...? Fairness? Information?
For me it's lack of ethics.
@@rawmaterials3909 I think it's because it's is legitimately nice (come on now, it is) but it's not worth the tradeoffs to many people who are dedicated to Linux. It's not exactly redundant, but it has a similar effect. And no be honest, the the novelty of Microsoft bringing their browser to Linux is the reason why so many Linux UA-camrs motion it. It's newsworthy, like it or not. If it gets the views, you can't really blame the creators.
Since this is your most recent Linux video, I'm going to be annoying and ask a dumb question I can just Google for no reason other than this is the Internet:
How do you hibernate a Debian based Linux build?
idk, shouldn't you have tested gnome web/epiphany too as it is default on many distros and it's based on a different engine
I use Edge on Linux. It’s a great browser and it integrates much better with gnome desktop
Me at 2am: *lets watch mental outlaw.*
The one thing that the benchmarks don't account for is feel. Several years back when I was still using Windows, I compared Chrome, FireFox & IE. Though Chrome starts off fast, it has a tendency to slow way down, then tries to speed back up. To me it just felt unstable. Where as Firefox remains consistence (ie no sudden shifts in speed). Outside of dial up & LTE internet (where one need all the help they can get), think for most with higher speed internet, one's choice in browser doesn't make a lot of difference as it relates to speed.
1) should be chrome, there's a difference between the open source chromium which edge forks, and chrome.
Do some unpopular browsers. ❤️ I'm glad chrome won cuz I'm using this shit. But I like Firefox too and it has a few more customization options which is cool.
"...but which one is the fastest?" Ah, that excuses putting fucking Edge above Firefox in the thumbnail.
Speed doesn't care about your feelings
Because Firefox is trash at this point
still, firefox has the best tabs
Opera was actually the first major browser to move to a Chromium base, so I doubt it would be much different than Edge or Chrome.
this thumbnail is so good...
Running edge on Linux is like driving a Toyota Corolla on a racetrack
i use a chromium fork called Vivaldi as my primary browser runs pretty well for what i use it for which is mostly tons of tabs open at once
Do Webkit vs Qtwebengine, that ll be interesting!!
It would be interesting if your custom compiled firefox can close the gap.