Or revolutionary hero or thugs/terrorists depending on your relationship with reality. Such as a group of white wealthy landowners causing violence and murder over unfair taxes being labeled revolutionary heros but a group of armed black men (Black Panthers) being called a terror group for arming themselves due to a 200 year history of abject oppression from slavery to redlining.
@@farhan007 They rebelled, and in doing so established what would become the freest and most powerful nation on Earth, one based on ideals rather than blood and soil nationalism. The Black Panthers, on the other hand, . . .
@@solan7978 two types of definitions of "free". The fascist libertarian definition revolves around the "freedom" to exploit workers, freedom to exploit markets, freedom of property owners to enforce their will on non property owners etc.
@@farhan007"fascist libertarian". What an impossibly paradoxical insult! Of course, coming from a seeming Communist, such distortion of reality is no real surprise. Incidentally, even those freedoms you listed are infinitely better than the "freedom" to be mass-murdered b a totalitarian state.
The Dahomey, as an anthropologist and historian, are terrifying. Consider that even other slavers actually found them reprehensible because of what they did. Every subject of Dahomey was effectively a slave to the king. Their lives did not matter unless it served the king's wishes, which were, typically, 'get more slaves'. The horrific savagery of it all is like a bad nightmare. And the women warriors were never actually trained for combat, but instead for raiding and enslaving small, defenseless villages, likely populated by innocent people who didn't do anything short of farming or raising livestock. They'd butcher the elders and anybody educated to stamp out their sense of history. Nobody around to tell you that you had a past, you effectively have no past beyond 'you're slaves of the Dahomey'. It's disgusting. It's also messed up, because there are so many intriguing stories in Africa that could be told without totally inverting history. Hell, just tell the Dahomey realistically.
They could of made a movie about a person with a long life span watching as their culture and kingdom turns to absolute shit. Telling the story of the Yoruba kingdom, then going through all the steps of decay, then ending with the French absorbing the tribe and leaving the main character and viewer asking, why?
@@glorioustigereye The Yoruba are fascinating. I could so see that. They had plenty of slavers too. They also had interreligious conflict. The Yoruba religion was increasingly influenced by Catholicism, and it led to some arguments, some violent. And the French enforcing it as a prescribed religion was a big issue. Not a huge one at first, but when combined with other impositions. Some young Yoruba child growing up seeing their world change all around them. A new religion (or a more orthodox form of that religion; many Yoruba were technically Catholic due to missionaries from Kongo at one point), governmental structure changing, normalization of slavery (which the Yoruba did engage in, but usually just prisoners of war or criminals, still not like the Dahomey 'you're all the king's slaves' concept). A person growing up, through their eyes, that'd be intriguing.
I'm glad this was reuploaded. Gives me an excuse to watch it again. Respect to Lupita Nyong'o for doing the research and rejecting the role. Wanna know what's funniest to me? When you look into Viola Davis' heritage, there's an almost 100% chance that her own ancestors were enslaved and shipped over by the woman she's championing, and it being the sole reason she's in America. Now that's irony.
Those who shout the loudest give the littlest shits about what people suffered in the past, its just a method of getting stuff for themselves. Davis is a shill and seems to have some kind of "armour" because shes female, black and middle aged, she is completely one dimensional and I have no idea why people go "shes a good actress but" because she isnt.
I have to wonder if this was made to lose money ... like in the Mel Brooks movie; The Producers. Oh.... Maybe me speculating about that is the real reason these things keep getting pulled, and have to be re-loaded? Sorry.
Lupita came to learn the true nature of the Dohomi through one of her documentaries, where after a woman retold her story of how she or her mother suffered at their hands, Lupita would break down in tears and cried alongside her. Say what you will about a lot of actors now a days, Lupita has a lot of integrity to say no to this roll and to stand up against revisionist propaganda like this.
I mean, she was on board with Black Panther and Wakanda, which is arguably worse, since the existence of Wakanda makes Africa's downfall all the more tragic. Wakanda apparently had the power to save Africa from themselves and outside threats, but they stood by and let them fall apart.
@@grandarkfang_1482Well Wakanda not getting involved is realistic. There wasn't Pan Africanism people identified with their ethnic groups and kingdoms not skin.
The sad part is... If they had actually told the true story about the Europeans and other African kingdoms fighting against the slave trade it could've made for a highly entertaining movie with a great message that could open peoples eyes to the reality they pretend to know... Too bad that would never happen these days.
I would love a movie like that. Not showing white saviors or anything. But people working together to end a terrible injustice. There would be conflict because their cultures are so different. But they could learn from one another and both sides would grow throughout the movie while kicking the slaver's asses. Now THAT would be a positive message. Which is probably one of the reasons why such a film would never be made in this dull, dark age.
@@BaalurI would most definitely watch the hell out of that film for it would show that no matter where we come from and think deep down we all have dreams as well as desires to fight for such as no one should be a slave to anyone else.
@@georgeray1906 The Man Queen telling Grant how to win the war. "You have to use what those southern whites fear to fight them. Rave music, men in dresses, black people, and dance" The union army proceeds to dye their uniforms with rainbows and fight with their backs to the confederates using the friction from their twerking cheeks to ignite their cannon fuses.
“You can’t quench your thirst with sea water” is a bit less memorable than “a rock sinks because it looks down” and “give me the meat and give it to me raw.” 😂😂
@@admirekashiri9879 well, outside of parts of North Africa, Rhodesia, and South Africa, I would say that he wouldn't be wrong to make that statement, not he was referring to any time between 1950 and 1994. To be blunt, Africa wasn't a great place to be back then. Arguably still isn't, with few exceptions.
@@admirekashiri9879 of course, most people have never been to Africa and have no frame of reference outside of what we see on TV. But that's not enough to discount what most people do know, that large parts of the continent are incredibly dangerous.
"Is animal abuse worse than racism?" YES IT IS and you need to be locked up or blacklisted from ever owning a pet if you believe racism existing is a justification for abusing an innocent animal who loves and trusts you
A candidate for inclusion on the "Stupidest Things Ever Said" list. I couldn't even begin to assess the ethical comparison he might be trying to make, because it's so stupid on the face of it. It's almost perfectly nonsensical. I'd have to reply "Do you think racism is better than jelly turntable bird mounting?"
I raped and killed your mother but are you saying that what i did is worse then the Holocaust Ther you see i'm not the worst person on the World so it is ok what i did
It’s not illegal to be racist. It might make you a crappier person, but you’re allowed to have that kind of opinion. Torturing animals, however, is psychotic AND illegal. This is false equivalence at its best (or worst), and it’s why we don’t ask sports players for their opinions outside of their field of expertise.
Interesting fact: Queen Victoria's ward/goddaughter, Sarah Forbes Bonetta, was being held by the Dahomey (specifically, King Ghezo as depicted by John Boyega) and was offered as a gift at seven years-old to a Captain Forbes when in their kingdom trying to negotiate the end of the slave trade. Forbes evidently witnessed some of the human sacrifice and agreed to accept Aina (Sarah's original name) as a gift because he feared that Ghezo would execute her in one of the mass sacrifices if he didn't. Though she sadly died at only 37, Sarah lived a lot longer and in much better conditions in England that she would have if she had been left with the Dahomey. A young reader's biography of Sarah, written by Walter Dean Myers in the 90s, was my first introduction to the Dahomey about a year or two before this film came out. Imagine my surprise when I realized these people were going to be portrayed as the heroes of the story and their MASSIVE amounts of human sacrifice and slavery erased in favor of a political narrative. (For anyone interested, "At Her Majesty's Request: An African Princess in Victorian England" by Walter Dean Myers is a quick and interesting read. And because it was written in a pre-woke age, he actually majorly acknowledges that even though Sarah probably faced racism in England, she was WAY better off than the countless impoverished white children living in poor houses and on the streets in the Victorian era. I was stunned to see him acknowledge that so bluntly.)
I think it's unintentionally hilarious that Hollywood tried so hard to make this movie look like the African 300 when in reality it was a complete disaster for the Dahomey In fact it was less a battle and more like a massacre The Dahomey suffered between 1,000 and 2,000 casualties in a bayonet charge while the French didn't even lose a dozen men
With all the stories surrounding Africa, mythical, legendary and real, the fact they made a movie about arguably the worst tribe in African history, simply because they happened to have an army of women, who weren't even that good to begin with, really shows how skewed the writer's priorities were.
You couldn't be more right about that. That continent have a very large folklore and great individuals (with their good and bad traits and actions). I always wanted a movie or serie about Sundjata Keita of Mali or Amanirenas of Kush. I mention this two because they were of dark skin, but they can even do one of Shajar Al-Durr, she was a slave who later rule Egypt in the 13th century before the mamluks rise to power or Amina/Aminatu of Zaria who expanded the kingdom of Zazzau. Hell, not to mention their myths.
@@hernanreipp3321 You're not alone in wanting movies based on the vast stories and myths Africa hold because I would love to see a film about how Anansi used his wit to win stories for everyone.
@@georgeray1906 Anansi. Not only a good mythical storyteller, but also one bridge that stills connect the people from a lot of country with their land of origin and attract a lot more for around the world to know about him. I really want a movie or mini-serie about him and his tales.
@@hernanreipp3321 Good post. Of course, if Hollywood studios and producers were really interested in telling entertaining, universally engaging stories, they would have to be...uh...better, smarter and less hateful people than they currently are.
This video was originally published on October 13th, 2022, it was taken down by UA-cam because it contained a clip of a cat being kicked a footballer (in the context of me criticizing the footballer), I was not able to edit the video on UA-cam and so have had to reupload it after editing out the offending clip. I was also not able to retrieve any of the comments as the entire comments section was deleted by UA-cam when the video was taken down.
@@hatuletoh I would have responded to that teammate, "Yes, him actually abusing a living creature is worse than the nebulous concept of racism, which has been so polluted recently as to be a meaningless term."
How frustrating for you!! I wasn’t sure if you were kidding but I looked up “footballer kicks“ and it automatically auto filled “cat“. It says his excuse was that the cat had made a mess. It had not done the dishes nor finished preparing dinner. It had not even put on an apron and a chef’s hat. That’s like literally putting cat hair right into the soup on purpose! Kidding aside, that’s horrible. Says he has two Bengal cats, which are a deliberately breeding of an Asian wild cat and a house cat. The resulting offspring requires a lot more attention and discipline than normal house cats. “They are an energetic breed that needs much exercise and play.“ So he leaves them alone at home for long periods of time and is surprised when they relieve their energy by knocking over vases and scratching the furniture. This happens a lot with dog owners who leave them at home for 10 hours at a time, then get upset when they come home and there’s a large mess. Many of them say what a bad dog and take him to the vet to get some tranquilizing meds. No joke. I don’t know why UA-cam had a problem with your using the video clip. Are they covering up for an animal abuser? I mean that as a rhetorical question. I haven’t watched this Woman King video completely yet so I will get back to that and comment. 😸
Remember the words of King Ghezo of Dahomey when pressed to abolish slavery in his kingdom: "The slave trade is the ruling principle of my people. It is the source and the glory of their wealth…the mother lulls the child to sleep with notes of triumph over an enemy reduced to slavery"
Consider the dangers of taking creative license too far? - The Greatest Snowman took the despicable legacy of P.T. Barnum and portrayed him as a hero, even ending the film with a quote from him as if he is someone to be inspired by. - The Aeronauts gender-swapped Henry Coxwell with Felicity Jones’ Amelia Wren, effectively erasing Coxwell’s contribution to meteorology in the eyes of cinema, for the sake of a more typically entertaining dynamic between main characters. - And now this? What other examples can we think of?
The Siege of Jadotville. There's a whole story behind that but basically the UN was the real bad guy, sort of playing an America-lite role during the Katangese rebellion.
Hidden Figures, that's another one that just replaced anyone of note with black women. They're making an Emmett Till movie, enough said about that. Mississippi Burning, the actual story is completely different and the races are swapped. I can't remember the name, but that movie about the Detroit riots is just a total fabrication. I'll think of more later
"Enola Holmes" (2020) which race-swapped the Lestrade character, who was played by Adeel Aktar, an actor of Pakistani heritage. Portraying a high-ranking Police Inspector in the Victorian era as a Pakistani man had the unfortunate side-effect of nullifying the real-world achievement of Mohammed Daar, who became the UK's first Pakistani police officer in 1966.
Those "I take responsibility" videos are so cringe. No they don't. They have no idea what taking responsibility means. They think it's only about putting on a sad serious face. Let's see them take all the money they've "unjustly" made and donate it away. Never gonna happen. I'd slap them in the face if we ever met. Then I'd say "I take responsibility" and do nothing about it whatsoever except post in on every social network (which is to say, do nothing).
I knew that the Dahomey had enslaved other Black people, but I did not know about the human sacrifice. It is appalling and sickening. The strangest part is that they could have made a profit by selling the people they sacrificed but instead they chose to sacrifice. I know you said that the old and infirm would be slaughtered, but did they have 4000 old and infirm at one time? I'm really enjoying your analyses! You dig deeper than almost any other film and TV critic channel I have found, and you often surprise me with different perspectives, which I have not considered, and probably would not have thought of for myself if you gave me 100 years. Thank you!
the bulk of the sacrificial victims were often criminals of capital offences and their sacrifice was essentially an execution postponed to a singular date along with others, these were also supplemented by war captives, as one observer in 19th century Dahomey noted: "what were commonly taken as human sacrifices 'are, in fact, the yearly execution, as if all the murderers in Britain were kept for hanging on a certain day in London".
How this movie made 67 million is still beyond me. Either the studios are just pouring money into the film or we have that much stupid people that don't have anything better to do.
blacks are america's gods. they have holidays for blacks. they listen to black music. they use black words. when you say martin luther, they are not thinking of the father of protestantism, but of the black. your guess why it made money.
White people apologizing mostly. As you saw white people bowing to blacks for being black etc. I would never do such a thing myself but hey I guess if you are a weak piece of shit that should be wiped off the map have at it.
@@rzambonato Cue the always relevant greentext I am not allowed to post here. Blacks rioted for a year straight for violent criminals, and yet we're obsessing over whites taking selfies one time. It would be funny if it wasn't so repulsive.
US is split 50/50 between right and left. While less than 20% of democrats are hardcore woke crazies, they are not completly dissimilar to the nazis, in the aspect of holding total control over the narrative. Even republicans are scared of them, the democrats are downright terrified. When you ask whether WWII period Germans were ok with sleeping on pillows made from human hair shorn off Jews in Auschwitz, or if they were ok with washing their bodies with soap made from human fat (Auschwitz Museum kept examples of those and other "products", so unlike with woman king, I'm talking 100% historical facts here), the suprising answer is, Yes, they were. Not because they were monsters, but because they all supported Adolf. Meditate abit on that, then ask yourself again if 67 mil WK earned in USA is so surprising. IMO, only the fact it earned 25 mil outside USA is, but I assume it's because all media insisted it's a brilliant action movie even if you take politics out of it.
The biggest shame is that Sony could've chosen one of the many interesting TRUE stories about African tribes and instead they did this. Show how pre colonial Africa really was in all its beauty, wonder and cruelty. A real historical piece in the likes of Master and Commander, Spartacus etc The Mali Empire, for instance, 1200-1600 would've been a great choice.
The "Wind that Shakes the Infinity War" spoof edit is still one of the most effective ways of depicting what's so wrong about The Woman King, if not, THE MOST.
I'm so glad we live in a time when mainstream productions can no longer get away with the kind of disgraceful revisionism on display in the likes of roots.
@@georgeray1906 both are terrible, so it doesn't matter really. Roots is utter nonsense based on the same source as the new Cleopatra. That source is "my family members recollections"
@@georgeray1906 I was forced to watch it throughout school, as we're most southern children. Imagine that being part of the foundation of your childhood. Year after year. Turns out it was all made up, but how many people from generation know that now? How many were taught from roughly 6th grade through highschool that their people were the reason those events happened? Same with Thomas Jefferson and his slave children. Turns out that never happened either. Anyway, maybe this doesn't make sense for you if you were raised in the South. Our whole childhood was based on the slave narrative and how shitty we were as people for allowing it to happen. It's coming full circle, now children of the this generation are taught the same thing going back even farther, which is just ridiculous. Almost like there is a narrative against a certain demographic.
Viola Davies saying we’re racist if we don’t go support this film was the cherry on top for me. That and Lupita Nyong’o taking one look and going *nope* *nope* *nope* ~
As a Black African Woman (born in Africa, raised in the UK), I despised this film and it really soured my view of Viola David. Awful film about awful people.
im only 2 mins in and already this cheap video is better written and more entertaining than ANYTHING hollywood has lazily shat out in recent years... this guy is awesome and hilarious... and accurate!
I just wanted to share my take on this as a black american male who's fed up with Hollywood. There is NO WAY they didn't know the history of the tribe in this movie. All they cared about was that they had black female warriors, and they banked on the assumption black people would be too stupid to do their own research. And to be fair, many are. I've seen tons of people who saw Viola Davis in it and that was enough. Lots of black people, and specifically black women, love Viola Davis. Hell, I love Viola as an actress but I'm done with her after this. There has been a trend over the last 10 or so years where Hollywood openly disrespects or belittles black men in favor of masculine black women. I've noticed that traditionally attractive black women are nowhere to be seen, if they promote a black woman she's got to talk/act like a dude. She can't be too pretty or feminine. Lupita Nyong'o might be an exception, who I recently found out was rumored to have turned down a role in Woman King, so that makes me like her even more.
The deletion of strong black male figures from cinema was evidenced by the MCU taking advantage of Chadwick Boseman's death to replace Black Panther with a 90 pound woman. I don't like Black Panther movies but he was the most popular black superhero.
@@DespotofAntrim I 100% agree. Little black girls are not going to care about Shuri as much as little black boys cared about T'Challa, but Disney doesn't care about boys as much as they care about their message. At this point I'm just looking forward to watching the MCU crash and burn.
The film is based on history, though it's based around the Dahomey Oyo war, which is too place in 1823. The events obviously didn't happen like this. But they were fighting for their freedom from the bigger power in the region known as the Oyo empire. I'd recommend you to study the history indepthly rather than make your conclusions based on this guy talking down on African histories.
It's not just black men being disrespected and belittled. It's all men. See what Marvel did with "phase 4" turning it into the M-She-U. Look what they did to Thor? What they did to Luke Skywalker with Rey. Obi Wan being ordered around by a "strong, independent, far wiser than him, 4yr old girl. It's in every show and movie. And they wonder why men are walking away, tuning out of going to movies and watching shows. We're ALL treated like Ken in Barbie land. And any MAN that is a MAN....is sick of it.
@@5dmkiii60Yes you're right, there's been a decades long push to feminize men and masculinize women. There are still a handful of white male characters who are still allowed to be heroes and get the girl (Tom Cruise), but Hollywood (Disney specifically) hates men, fathers, and positive heterosexual couples. I've also noticed that if a popular character has a kid, if it's a daughter she's good and if it's a son he's bad. Or you have an Indiana Jones situation where they kill the son and replace him with an annoying unattractive god daughter. All I can tell you is that I have saved a lot of money these past few years from not paying to see movies or buying DVDs of these crappy man hating films and shows.
Thank you for calling the year 2020 as “The year the world went mad”. Covid aside, it was the racial tensions that pained my soul in a way I can’t put into words, squeezing out something valuable inside me, which I hope to recover someday so that I can go back to participating in making the world a better place. The memory of those riots & ugly, nasty conflict are still too miserable to remember…
Great video man. I am a black man and I totally agree with everything you said in it. This movie was a joke and allowed to be made for all the wrong reasons.
@@admirekashiri9879please give us examples, or are you perhaps saying this because this UA-camr committed the horrendous crime of speaking ill of a "black female led film"??? No examples, no reason to take your complaints seriously. From what I've heard he seems to know quite a bit about history, unlike you who would easily tear down what he said without any rebuttals.... Do better man.
@@OneClassicalLass I'm not going to repeat myself. Look at the other thread you trolled on. Or scroll down to comments from 5 months ago. You'll see my original comments.
and for me when i saw the previews and trailers I once again noticed that every one of the costumes was in perfect condition, the actors were always clean in every scene and they all looked healthy and well fed. HAve a look at "jabberwocky" an early monty pythin movie set in medieval england, the actors were covered in mud and lived in shit houses and ate potatoes. They looked like they would die if they sneezed.
@@DespotofAntrim It seems to be the case in so many movies and TV series now, the dry cleaning budget must be huge, the wild wild west , with a tailor and a barber
Well, they cleaned if you didn't know. As did medieval people from Europe but Hollywood doesn't usually represent that. Can't blaim one film for that now.
No, Sony knew exactly what they were doing, .....as does Disney, as do all the rest. They are NOT out to maximize profits. These movies are meant to piss people off and meant to cause division. How the world really works is foreign to most. What... did we really think the studios just forgot how to make a good movie for 10 years. This woke stuff has happened SO MANY TIMES,.... it's obviously on purpose. There's a lot more to understand that I can't explain in a box.
Great commentary on such an atrocious film. I also love how scenes from a truly brilliant historical masterpiece "12 Years a Slave," was used in juxtaposition against the blasphemy of "The Woman King." Also, a movie that was far superior to this film was "The Free State of Jones," which did alter some details and might have omitted a few others, it was still closer to the true story then what was just recently released.
Hey thanks for the excuse to rewatch this, it was even better than I remembered it. It was really gratifying to see my black bretheren did not fall for the BS this time. The holywood formula is so cheap and trite and assumes everyone is just a complete fackin idiot with no ctitical thinkiing skill it is always nice to see them overreach and be offensive to even people they think of as the beneficiaries of their revisionism.
You forgot one movie set in Africa that was not only good, but a box office success: The Lion King, and I mean the original not the shameless remake that took out everything that made it great. On another note, there is a special place in hell for the Dahomey, especially their Slave King for all the atrocities they committed.
I strongly dislike movies where women have to act more like men than the men themselves. Ugly facial grimaces that represent heroism have the opposite effect and only become laughable.
Sad thing is I feel like it *might* have been a good movie. If they showed the utter cruelty and reality of Dahomey while having a terrifyingly charismatic cast of villains with some dapper Brits and French to gawk in horror and try to manipulate it could work. I say this because that's what the 1980s Shaka Zulu series did and it's one of my favorite shows! It mixed the myth of Shaka with reality and presented it in an ambiguous way, it didn't shy away from the crimes of Shaka, and it also showed the British both being there to react in horror and try to steer things a bit in their favor. But instead they made what could have been a savagely dark and beautiful question as to the inherent cruelty of mankind and turned into something about race where it didn't exist
@@admirekashiri9879 I know, again why not have foreign observers there? Have them watch in horror as they witness the utter barbarity of both empires, and all the while the British try to convince the Dahomey not to engage in slavery to no avail? Hell, if they wanna make it political, why not have it be a question of interventionism? At the time the British were spending billions of modern pounds paying for anti-slavery patrols, a debt they only recently paid off. All the while several foreign observers talk among themselves whether or not their nations should get involved, and save the African from the African? The same reasoning that was used to spear-head colonization efforts.
@gasmonkey1000 It's an African war it didn't concern them. Why would there be any observers when historically there weren't any? It would have been best to focus on the conflict while educating people about the dynamics of African politics and militaries back then. Showing people there was no Pan Africanism back then and how slavery worked. The film was just a watered down cheap retelling of the conflict notjing to get triggered about.
@@admirekashiri9879 A lot of Europeans were around the area, some Portugese and a few British missionaries if memory serves. As for the movie itself... it's not just a cheap retelling. It'd be like if someone made a WW2 movie that depicted the Nazis as being against discrimination and depicted the SS as being effective. It's complete and utter revisionism
Arabs are white also even if they weren't White just because somebody else. Something bad that doesn't mean what you did is any less bad imagine somebody killing two people saying that their trial I do have never got why I'm getting blamed for this Jeffrey Dahmer killed 40 its a cop out
well, to tell the truth, we wouldn't get blame if we were not blaming ourselves permanently in the first place. We replaced chrisitanity and/or national history with the cult of oppressed minorities as our new western religion. A society cannot function without sacred and idols. Another reason why the arabs get it off so easily, is that since they castrated all boys, theve no black diaspora in their countries to demand memorials. Plus, islam says it's ok if they were not muslim.
the fact Viola Davis said in interview "If you don't come to see this movie, you're racist" that is unbelievable lol. It's because of audiences that you make money. Where did this come from, this idea, that they can choose their audience?? That was never how it worked.
On an unrelated note, Kim Kardashian and Kris Humphries' marriage lasted for 72 days. Meanwhile, the CHOP/CHAZ lasted a measly 24 days. Let me repeat that: Kim Kardashian's first marriage lasted three times-THREE TIMES longer than the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone. How pathetic is that?
Based on the poster and clips, I'm impressed at the level of excellence of Dahomey hairdressers. Maybe the film should've been about their ground breaking work inventing perms, straighteners, etc....or maybe that wasn't historically accurate either
When i looked at it on my streaming site, the description said "based on an alternate history....." It's hilarious that they aren't even claiming that's its loosely based on real life, at least no more than Rick and Morty is.
Memory and personality uploads would be insanely scary. You can just mass produce cybernetically engineered human bodies and just keep sending them to battle, then send an upload upon inevitable death or simply recover a sort of biological hard drive that can be used to revive people, functionally making humans immortal. The purging of the worst of humanity would be in effect and a complete dystopian future would be inevitable.
I have just got to point out that the movie with Thanos inserted in it, "The WInd that Shakes the Barley" is a powerhouse film about how shit the Irish were treated by the English and the start of the Republican Army fightback. A truly excellent film, one that I watch every couple of years or so, and I recommend it to everyone
@@DespotofAntrim Great Video. But Karen is an anti-white racial slur and you should stop using it. That word is just one of the many attacks happening on the"evil whites"... In particular it's been used to describe any woman of European descent who has come to the extremely obvious conclusion that almost everything in modern society is broken in one way or another.
Also I find it ironic the most successful movie set in Africa is used by the Despot to illustrate a point. 1964's Zulu, which does its best to just tell what happened at Rourke's Drift, not making either side good or bad. Just a few things have some poetic license taken with an eye towards enhancing the feelings over the events.
The only black person I know that fell for the women king is my mom that reads a bunch of rubbish and lived in cailfonia for so long the smog rotted her brain cells and is only becoming more insane year after year.
I honestly feel like I’m being lumped into the group that like this movie cause I’m black. The woman king and Wakanda forever were horrible movies. These movies doesn’t nothing but openly disrespect black men. You’re not racist bro this movies are trash
Frankly I was hoping this movie would bomb hard, while it didn't exactly make a profit it did still make enough to where idiots can argue it was successful when they don't understand how movies make money. But yeah this film did one thing right, it effectively caused a lot of people who knew jack about slavery to learn first hand that yes Africans enslaved other Africans and played a huge part in the slave trade and had been for centuries. Sure there are those other morons who argue slavery in America was worse or America was built on Slavery, but a lot more learned the truth.
I'm usually one to roll my eyes at people complaining about SJWs, wokeness and the like...but I make an exception for this. Was it too hard to make a movie about the Kingdom of Axum/Ethiopia? You know, one of the only African countries never to be colonized? The ones that humiliated the literal fascist?
@@admirekashiri9879 that depends on how that would be made. If it's an afro-centrist version of "the patriot" or "braveheart" yep, we would be complaining (or rather, the italians in that specific case would be complaining) like there was an uproar in Britain about "the patriot". If you make a vitriolic, anti-X movie that glorify yourself at the expense of X, even if based on a real historical war of agression, with X being 100 % bad (except that one good guy) and you being 100 % good (except that one traitor) well don't expect everyone to cheer up.
Re-watching it for forth or fifth time and it gets better very time! Everything is top notch: the production value, the research, jokes... And i also dig your accent, can't quite understand, where are you from, but your voice is awesome! Still can't believe you answered me on the comment about my novel, by the way, means a lot. Keep up the good work, sir!
This movie disgusts me such an insane level. Instead of doing something involving a unified campaign of brits and africans against slavery they rewrite history to make the abhorrent slavers the good guys
This is truly a wonderful video that should be seen by everyone and I'm so sorry that there's not any more people that have watch this but there needs to be a million views or more on this video
@@OneClassicalLass Anyway, this was my response to the video originally. If I'm wrong, feel free to debunk me, lad. I'll wait. "Woman King was based on the Dahomey Oyo war of 1823. It's a fictionalised retelling, so obviously not accurate, but many elements in the film are accurate. The history of Dahomey is controversial but also strongly misunderstood. It wouldn't have been my first choice to make an African historical epic film on since few people know the full history and understand what was happening in the period. 7:45 - 7:55 The film is about the Dahomey's conflict with the Oyo empire in 1823 this took place decades before the Franco Dahomey War so why would they show the French defeating the kingdom when it hadn't haplen yet? 18:37 - 19:42 Wrong kind because? You claim low technology based on what research? They had iron, steel, and adopted firearms, so how are they stone age with no technology exactly? The Dahomey kingdom wasn't a simple tribe with no technology, no costumes, no religious practices, etc. So what are you talking about? Just say because it's full of black people and African folks, people like yourself don't like want to watch such stories because you're not interested. Africa had civilizations and different forms of architecture and splender. If you don't know the history of this continent, then it's best not to talk."
I just watched the WOWA video, and now I'm watching this, and now I'm subscribed. EDIT: 24:19 Why is 'not' and 'crime' in quotes? Doesn't that imply sarcasm and thereby invert the meaning?
Ive only just found your channel today, & now wondering why i haven't stumbled across/been told of it before. I love it bro. Excellent. Quality. Thank you.
The title is based on a word from the Fon language they translated to Woman King. There was a historical figure called Princess Hangbe who had that title.
Despot of Antrim, you are sooo good! I've been watching your vids on repeat for weeks. I've never done this with any other youtuber, ever. Please keep up the great work! I wish for much prosperity for you and yours.
"Looting and rioting or mostly peaceful protests.....depending on your relationship with reality."
--> Epic line!
Or revolutionary hero or thugs/terrorists depending on your relationship with reality.
Such as a group of white wealthy landowners causing violence and murder over unfair taxes being labeled revolutionary heros but a group of armed black men (Black Panthers) being called a terror group for arming themselves due to a 200 year history of abject oppression from slavery to redlining.
@@farhan007 They rebelled, and in doing so established what would become the freest and most powerful nation on Earth, one based on ideals rather than blood and soil nationalism. The Black Panthers, on the other hand, . . .
@@solan7978 two types of definitions of "free". The fascist libertarian definition revolves around the "freedom" to exploit workers, freedom to exploit markets, freedom of property owners to enforce their will on non property owners etc.
@@solan7978 and I'm assuming when you are referring to "free" you are referring to how fascist libertarians like George Lincoln Rockwell define "free"
@@farhan007"fascist libertarian". What an impossibly paradoxical insult! Of course, coming from a seeming Communist, such distortion of reality is no real surprise. Incidentally, even those freedoms you listed are infinitely better than the "freedom" to be mass-murdered b a totalitarian state.
The Dahomey, as an anthropologist and historian, are terrifying. Consider that even other slavers actually found them reprehensible because of what they did. Every subject of Dahomey was effectively a slave to the king. Their lives did not matter unless it served the king's wishes, which were, typically, 'get more slaves'. The horrific savagery of it all is like a bad nightmare. And the women warriors were never actually trained for combat, but instead for raiding and enslaving small, defenseless villages, likely populated by innocent people who didn't do anything short of farming or raising livestock. They'd butcher the elders and anybody educated to stamp out their sense of history. Nobody around to tell you that you had a past, you effectively have no past beyond 'you're slaves of the Dahomey'.
It's disgusting. It's also messed up, because there are so many intriguing stories in Africa that could be told without totally inverting history. Hell, just tell the Dahomey realistically.
They could of made a movie about a person with a long life span watching as their culture and kingdom turns to absolute shit. Telling the story of the Yoruba kingdom, then going through all the steps of decay, then ending with the French absorbing the tribe and leaving the main character and viewer asking, why?
@@glorioustigereye The Yoruba are fascinating. I could so see that. They had plenty of slavers too. They also had interreligious conflict. The Yoruba religion was increasingly influenced by Catholicism, and it led to some arguments, some violent. And the French enforcing it as a prescribed religion was a big issue. Not a huge one at first, but when combined with other impositions. Some young Yoruba child growing up seeing their world change all around them. A new religion (or a more orthodox form of that religion; many Yoruba were technically Catholic due to missionaries from Kongo at one point), governmental structure changing, normalization of slavery (which the Yoruba did engage in, but usually just prisoners of war or criminals, still not like the Dahomey 'you're all the king's slaves' concept). A person growing up, through their eyes, that'd be intriguing.
@@AnnPMadera The English, not the French.
And what books on this kingdom have you read confirming this?
Lovely! What a farce movie which brought all it deserved.
I'm glad this was reuploaded. Gives me an excuse to watch it again.
Respect to Lupita Nyong'o for doing the research and rejecting the role. Wanna know what's funniest to me? When you look into Viola Davis' heritage, there's an almost 100% chance that her own ancestors were enslaved and shipped over by the woman she's championing, and it being the sole reason she's in America. Now that's irony.
*Palpatine smile intensifies*
Those who shout the loudest give the littlest shits about what people suffered in the past, its just a method of getting stuff for themselves. Davis is a shill and seems to have some kind of "armour" because shes female, black and middle aged, she is completely one dimensional and I have no idea why people go "shes a good actress but" because she isnt.
She trashed her public image with this movie. The establishment will of course pretend otherwise.
Agreed., respect to Nyong'o, it would have been so easy for her to take the low route but she didn't.
I have to wonder if this was made to lose money ... like in the Mel Brooks movie; The Producers.
Oh.... Maybe me speculating about that is the real reason these things keep getting pulled, and have to be re-loaded?
Sorry.
Lupita came to learn the true nature of the Dohomi through one of her documentaries, where after a woman retold her story of how she or her mother suffered at their hands, Lupita would break down in tears and cried alongside her. Say what you will about a lot of actors now a days, Lupita has a lot of integrity to say no to this roll and to stand up against revisionist propaganda like this.
I mean, she was on board with Black Panther and Wakanda, which is arguably worse, since the existence of Wakanda makes Africa's downfall all the more tragic. Wakanda apparently had the power to save Africa from themselves and outside threats, but they stood by and let them fall apart.
@@grandarkfang_1482 At least with Wakanda, it's a fictional place with fictional people.
@@grandarkfang_1482 C'mon, Marvel?
@@grandarkfang_1482 bro it's a comic book movie, it isn't purporting to be based on anything real. Are you an idiot?
@@grandarkfang_1482Well Wakanda not getting involved is realistic. There wasn't Pan Africanism people identified with their ethnic groups and kingdoms not skin.
The sad part is... If they had actually told the true story about the Europeans and other African kingdoms fighting against the slave trade it could've made for a highly entertaining movie with a great message that could open peoples eyes to the reality they pretend to know... Too bad that would never happen these days.
But that would show whitey to be anything other than inherently evil, and they can't tolerate that.
I would love a movie like that. Not showing white saviors or anything. But people working together to end a terrible injustice. There would be conflict because their cultures are so different. But they could learn from one another and both sides would grow throughout the movie while kicking the slaver's asses. Now THAT would be a positive message. Which is probably one of the reasons why such a film would never be made in this dull, dark age.
liberals like racism so that will never happen, like notzees the thrive on lies
@@Baalur I mean it historically isn't a thing. Probably that's why.
@@BaalurI would most definitely watch the hell out of that film for it would show that no matter where we come from and think deep down we all have dreams as well as desires to fight for such as no one should be a slave to anyone else.
Ok I'd unironically watch "The Man Queen". That sounds like the plot to the greatest parody film since Blazing Saddles.
Yeah I would watch The Man Queen too not only for a parody film on the line of Blazing Saddles but for the funky ear catching rave music.
@@georgeray1906 The Man Queen telling Grant how to win the war. "You have to use what those southern whites fear to fight them. Rave music, men in dresses, black people, and dance" The union army proceeds to dye their uniforms with rainbows and fight with their backs to the confederates using the friction from their twerking cheeks to ignite their cannon fuses.
its time to man up
...or "Bohemian Rhapsody"
Right, also blazing saddles is best spoof film!!!!
The woman king is to African history, what Rings of Power is to English literature.
“You can’t quench your thirst with sea water” is a bit less memorable than “a rock sinks because it looks down” and “give me the meat and give it to me raw.” 😂😂
"There's a tempest in me!"
@@Sun.Shine- there is tempest in the heart of all students of literature when it comes to this show.
Fantastic analogy
@eOlRaNcH1 +1, Harsh, but fair.
Interviewer: "Ali! What did you think of Africa?"
Muhammad Ali: "I thank God my great grandaddy got on that boat."
lol!
That was his opinion based on a small region of the continent he saw.
@@admirekashiri9879 well, outside of parts of North Africa, Rhodesia, and South Africa, I would say that he wouldn't be wrong to make that statement, not he was referring to any time between 1950 and 1994.
To be blunt, Africa wasn't a great place to be back then. Arguably still isn't, with few exceptions.
@@matthiasthulman4058 doesn't matter he didn't know Africa just like most people don't even know modern Africans have cities
@@admirekashiri9879 of course, most people have never been to Africa and have no frame of reference outside of what we see on TV.
But that's not enough to discount what most people do know, that large parts of the continent are incredibly dangerous.
"Is animal abuse worse than racism?"
YES IT IS and you need to be locked up or blacklisted from ever owning a pet if you believe racism existing is a justification for abusing an innocent animal who loves and trusts you
I was shocked when I heard that... I don't understand how anyone could justify saying, let alone doing that. You have an excellent point.
A candidate for inclusion on the "Stupidest Things Ever Said" list. I couldn't even begin to assess the ethical comparison he might be trying to make, because it's so stupid on the face of it. It's almost perfectly nonsensical.
I'd have to reply "Do you think racism is better than jelly turntable bird mounting?"
I raped and killed your mother but are you saying that what i did is worse then the Holocaust
Ther you see i'm not the worst person on the World so it is ok what i did
@@eliseosterbrink8000 it's disgusting and reprehensible. but not shocking
It’s not illegal to be racist. It might make you a crappier person, but you’re allowed to have that kind of opinion. Torturing animals, however, is psychotic AND illegal. This is false equivalence at its best (or worst), and it’s why we don’t ask sports players for their opinions outside of their field of expertise.
All of modern Hollywood can be summed up in one line:
"Ah yes, shite."
Interesting fact: Queen Victoria's ward/goddaughter, Sarah Forbes Bonetta, was being held by the Dahomey (specifically, King Ghezo as depicted by John Boyega) and was offered as a gift at seven years-old to a Captain Forbes when in their kingdom trying to negotiate the end of the slave trade. Forbes evidently witnessed some of the human sacrifice and agreed to accept Aina (Sarah's original name) as a gift because he feared that Ghezo would execute her in one of the mass sacrifices if he didn't. Though she sadly died at only 37, Sarah lived a lot longer and in much better conditions in England that she would have if she had been left with the Dahomey.
A young reader's biography of Sarah, written by Walter Dean Myers in the 90s, was my first introduction to the Dahomey about a year or two before this film came out. Imagine my surprise when I realized these people were going to be portrayed as the heroes of the story and their MASSIVE amounts of human sacrifice and slavery erased in favor of a political narrative.
(For anyone interested, "At Her Majesty's Request: An African Princess in Victorian England" by Walter Dean Myers is a quick and interesting read. And because it was written in a pre-woke age, he actually majorly acknowledges that even though Sarah probably faced racism in England, she was WAY better off than the countless impoverished white children living in poor houses and on the streets in the Victorian era. I was stunned to see him acknowledge that so bluntly.)
Thank you for sharing the name.
I will read it.
I think it's unintentionally hilarious that Hollywood tried so hard to make this movie look like the African 300 when in reality it was a complete disaster for the Dahomey
In fact it was less a battle and more like a massacre
The Dahomey suffered between 1,000 and 2,000 casualties in a bayonet charge while the French didn't even lose a dozen men
The film is about the Dahomey Oyo war of 1823 not the Franco Dahomey wars of the 1890s.
No one cares.
They still got their shite pushed in.@@admirekashiri9879
With all the stories surrounding Africa, mythical, legendary and real, the fact they made a movie about arguably the worst tribe in African history, simply because they happened to have an army of women, who weren't even that good to begin with, really shows how skewed the writer's priorities were.
You couldn't be more right about that. That continent have a very large folklore and great individuals (with their good and bad traits and actions).
I always wanted a movie or serie about Sundjata Keita of Mali or Amanirenas of Kush. I mention this two because they were of dark skin, but they can even do one of Shajar Al-Durr, she was a slave who later rule Egypt in the 13th century before the mamluks rise to power or Amina/Aminatu of Zaria who expanded the kingdom of Zazzau.
Hell, not to mention their myths.
@@hernanreipp3321 You're not alone in wanting movies based on the vast stories and myths Africa hold because I would love to see a film about how Anansi used his wit to win stories for everyone.
@@georgeray1906 Anansi. Not only a good mythical storyteller, but also one bridge that stills connect the people from a lot of country with their land of origin and attract a lot more for around the world to know about him.
I really want a movie or mini-serie about him and his tales.
@@hernanreipp3321 Indeed.
@@hernanreipp3321 Good post. Of course, if Hollywood studios and producers were really interested in telling entertaining, universally engaging stories, they would have to be...uh...better, smarter and less hateful people than they currently are.
This video was originally published on October 13th, 2022, it was taken down by UA-cam because it contained a clip of a cat being kicked a footballer (in the context of me criticizing the footballer), I was not able to edit the video on UA-cam and so have had to reupload it after editing out the offending clip. I was also not able to retrieve any of the comments as the entire comments section was deleted by UA-cam when the video was taken down.
But was the original video with the cat kicking clip worse than RACISM?
Goddam Kurt Zouma...
@@hatuletoh I would have responded to that teammate, "Yes, him actually abusing a living creature is worse than the nebulous concept of racism, which has been so polluted recently as to be a meaningless term."
As soon as I saw the re-upload I knew it must have been taken down by UA-cam. The truth hurts I guess.
How frustrating for you!! I wasn’t sure if you were kidding but I looked up “footballer kicks“ and it automatically auto filled “cat“. It says his excuse was that the cat had made a mess. It had not done the dishes nor finished preparing dinner. It had not even put on an apron and a chef’s hat. That’s like literally putting cat hair right into the soup on purpose!
Kidding aside, that’s horrible. Says he has two Bengal cats, which are a deliberately breeding of an Asian wild cat and a house cat. The resulting offspring requires a lot more attention and discipline than normal house cats.
“They are an energetic breed that needs much exercise and play.“ So he leaves them alone at home for long periods of time and is surprised when they relieve their energy by knocking over vases and scratching the furniture. This happens a lot with dog owners who leave them at home for 10 hours at a time, then get upset when they come home and there’s a large mess. Many of them say what a bad dog and take him to the vet to get some tranquilizing meds. No joke.
I don’t know why UA-cam had a problem with your using the video clip. Are they covering up for an animal abuser? I mean that as a rhetorical question. I haven’t watched this Woman King video completely yet so I will get back to that and comment. 😸
Remember the words of King Ghezo of Dahomey when pressed to abolish slavery in his kingdom:
"The slave trade is the ruling principle of my people. It is the source and the glory of their wealth…the mother lulls the child to sleep with notes of triumph over an enemy reduced to slavery"
Ghezo was a usurper
Your google skills leave much to be desired Afro-simp.
@@admirekashiri9879kinda based tho
I love the idea for the "Man Queen" if I owned a studio, I'd greenlight that movie immediately, it would be epic and chaotic!
I just imagine some primitive-period dragqueen now going 'darling i'm fabulous!'
Consider the dangers of taking creative license too far?
- The Greatest Snowman took the despicable legacy of P.T. Barnum and portrayed him as a hero, even ending the film with a quote from him as if he is someone to be inspired by.
- The Aeronauts gender-swapped Henry Coxwell with Felicity Jones’ Amelia Wren, effectively erasing Coxwell’s contribution to meteorology in the eyes of cinema, for the sake of a more typically entertaining dynamic between main characters.
- And now this? What other examples can we think of?
Well there was Argo where they made the Americans the heroes when it should've been the Canadians.
The Siege of Jadotville.
There's a whole story behind that but basically the UN was the real bad guy, sort of playing an America-lite role during the Katangese rebellion.
Hidden Figures, that's another one that just replaced anyone of note with black women.
They're making an Emmett Till movie, enough said about that.
Mississippi Burning, the actual story is completely different and the races are swapped.
I can't remember the name, but that movie about the Detroit riots is just a total fabrication.
I'll think of more later
Baz Luhrman's film Australia, in addition to being just terrible, tells a whole heap of lies about race relations in Australia. Despicable.
"Enola Holmes" (2020) which race-swapped the Lestrade character, who was played by Adeel Aktar, an actor of Pakistani heritage. Portraying a high-ranking Police Inspector in the Victorian era as a Pakistani man had the unfortunate side-effect of nullifying the real-world achievement of Mohammed Daar, who became the UK's first Pakistani police officer in 1966.
Those "I take responsibility" videos are so cringe. No they don't. They have no idea what taking responsibility means. They think it's only about putting on a sad serious face. Let's see them take all the money they've "unjustly" made and donate it away. Never gonna happen. I'd slap them in the face if we ever met. Then I'd say "I take responsibility" and do nothing about it whatsoever except post in on every social network (which is to say, do nothing).
I knew that the Dahomey had enslaved other Black people, but I did not know about the human sacrifice. It is appalling and sickening. The strangest part is that they could have made a profit by selling the people they sacrificed but instead they chose to sacrifice. I know you said that the old and infirm would be slaughtered, but did they have 4000 old and infirm at one time?
I'm really enjoying your analyses! You dig deeper than almost any other film and TV critic channel I have found, and you often surprise me with different perspectives, which I have not considered, and probably would not have thought of for myself if you gave me 100 years. Thank you!
the bulk of the sacrificial victims were often criminals of capital offences and their sacrifice was essentially an execution postponed to a singular date along with others, these were also supplemented by war captives, as one observer in 19th century Dahomey noted: "what were commonly taken as human sacrifices 'are, in fact, the yearly execution, as if all the murderers in Britain were kept for hanging on a certain day in London".
Citation.
Don't forget that Davis accused anyone not interested in seeing the movie a racist. Yeah... that happened.
How this movie made 67 million is still beyond me. Either the studios are just pouring money into the film or we have that much stupid people that don't have anything better to do.
I want to believe is mostly the first, but saddly I can't denied the second by the times we live.
blacks are america's gods. they have holidays for blacks. they listen to black music. they use black words. when you say martin luther, they are not thinking of the father of protestantism, but of the black. your guess why it made money.
White people apologizing mostly. As you saw white people bowing to blacks for being black etc. I would never do such a thing myself but hey I guess if you are a weak piece of shit that should be wiped off the map have at it.
@@rzambonato Cue the always relevant greentext I am not allowed to post here. Blacks rioted for a year straight for violent criminals, and yet we're obsessing over whites taking selfies one time. It would be funny if it wasn't so repulsive.
US is split 50/50 between right and left. While less than 20% of democrats are hardcore woke crazies, they are not completly dissimilar to the nazis, in the aspect of holding total control over the narrative. Even republicans are scared of them, the democrats are downright terrified.
When you ask whether WWII period Germans were ok with sleeping on pillows made from human hair shorn off Jews in Auschwitz, or if they were ok with washing their bodies with soap made from human fat (Auschwitz Museum kept examples of those and other "products", so unlike with woman king, I'm talking 100% historical facts here), the suprising answer is, Yes, they were. Not because they were monsters, but because they all supported Adolf.
Meditate abit on that, then ask yourself again if 67 mil WK earned in USA is so surprising. IMO, only the fact it earned 25 mil outside USA is, but I assume it's because all media insisted it's a brilliant action movie even if you take politics out of it.
Also, Thanos wouldn't have stood a CHANCE against The Irish. Notice he never went to Ireland...
"Look what Ive got, one, two. Go find a black person, and buy them some food" This had a real slave owner vibe to it.
Those poor dudes probably thought he wanted to blow them.
That's creepy and dehumanizing, I would have never got in his car or even took the food.
@@cg98243maybe he did that after they finished eating
@@IndelibleSin317idk man, free lunch is free lunch. You see those brothas? They eat good
The biggest shame is that Sony could've chosen one of the many interesting TRUE stories about African tribes and instead they did this.
Show how pre colonial Africa really was in all its beauty, wonder and cruelty. A real historical piece in the likes of Master and Commander, Spartacus etc
The Mali Empire, for instance, 1200-1600 would've been a great choice.
King Mansa Musa, the richest man to ever live.
Ethiopia has a long and rich history. Even has a female princess national hero.
The "Wind that Shakes the Infinity War" spoof edit is still one of the most effective ways of depicting what's so wrong about The Woman King, if not, THE MOST.
The hubris is incredible. They really blue-pilled the Roots mythology, didn't they?
I'm so glad we live in a time when mainstream productions can no longer get away with the kind of disgraceful revisionism on display in the likes of roots.
@@DespotofAntrim Are you referring to the 2016 miniseries remake or the original 1977 miniseries?
@@georgeray1906 both are terrible, so it doesn't matter really. Roots is utter nonsense based on the same source as the new Cleopatra. That source is "my family members recollections"
@@matthiasthulman4058Well I watched the original 1977 version of Roots and thought it was good.
@@georgeray1906 I was forced to watch it throughout school, as we're most southern children.
Imagine that being part of the foundation of your childhood. Year after year.
Turns out it was all made up, but how many people from generation know that now?
How many were taught from roughly 6th grade through highschool that their people were the reason those events happened?
Same with Thomas Jefferson and his slave children. Turns out that never happened either.
Anyway, maybe this doesn't make sense for you if you were raised in the South. Our whole childhood was based on the slave narrative and how shitty we were as people for allowing it to happen. It's coming full circle, now children of the this generation are taught the same thing going back even farther, which is just ridiculous.
Almost like there is a narrative against a certain demographic.
Viola Davies saying we’re racist if we don’t go support this film was the cherry on top for me. That and Lupita Nyong’o taking one look and going *nope* *nope* *nope* ~
As a Black African Woman (born in Africa, raised in the UK), I despised this film and it really soured my view of Viola David. Awful film about awful people.
Viola Davis really trashed her career with this, Lupita dodged a bullet.
Despise what exactly?
Your face.
@@admirekashiri9879Maybe the fakt that this movie glorifyes one of the african slaver groups who sold innocent people to their white slavers?
im only 2 mins in and already this cheap video is better written and more entertaining than ANYTHING hollywood has lazily shat out in recent years... this guy is awesome and hilarious... and accurate!
I just wanted to share my take on this as a black american male who's fed up with Hollywood. There is NO WAY they didn't know the history of the tribe in this movie. All they cared about was that they had black female warriors, and they banked on the assumption black people would be too stupid to do their own research. And to be fair, many are.
I've seen tons of people who saw Viola Davis in it and that was enough. Lots of black people, and specifically black women, love Viola Davis. Hell, I love Viola as an actress but I'm done with her after this. There has been a trend over the last 10 or so years where Hollywood openly disrespects or belittles black men in favor of masculine black women.
I've noticed that traditionally attractive black women are nowhere to be seen, if they promote a black woman she's got to talk/act like a dude. She can't be too pretty or feminine. Lupita Nyong'o might be an exception, who I recently found out was rumored to have turned down a role in Woman King, so that makes me like her even more.
The deletion of strong black male figures from cinema was evidenced by the MCU taking advantage of Chadwick Boseman's death to replace Black Panther with a 90 pound woman. I don't like Black Panther movies but he was the most popular black superhero.
@@DespotofAntrim I 100% agree. Little black girls are not going to care about Shuri as much as little black boys cared about T'Challa, but Disney doesn't care about boys as much as they care about their message.
At this point I'm just looking forward to watching the MCU crash and burn.
The film is based on history, though it's based around the Dahomey Oyo war, which is too place in 1823. The events obviously didn't happen like this. But they were fighting for their freedom from the bigger power in the region known as the Oyo empire. I'd recommend you to study the history indepthly rather than make your conclusions based on this guy talking down on African histories.
It's not just black men being disrespected and belittled. It's all men. See what Marvel did with "phase 4" turning it into the M-She-U. Look what they did to Thor? What they did to Luke Skywalker with Rey. Obi Wan being ordered around by a "strong, independent, far wiser than him, 4yr old girl. It's in every show and movie. And they wonder why men are walking away, tuning out of going to movies and watching shows. We're ALL treated like Ken in Barbie land. And any MAN that is a MAN....is sick of it.
@@5dmkiii60Yes you're right, there's been a decades long push to feminize men and masculinize women. There are still a handful of white male characters who are still allowed to be heroes and get the girl (Tom Cruise), but Hollywood (Disney specifically) hates men, fathers, and positive heterosexual couples.
I've also noticed that if a popular character has a kid, if it's a daughter she's good and if it's a son he's bad. Or you have an Indiana Jones situation where they kill the son and replace him with an annoying unattractive god daughter.
All I can tell you is that I have saved a lot of money these past few years from not paying to see movies or buying DVDs of these crappy man hating films and shows.
As an Irish person, I can confirm my great grandfather fought Thanos daring the Great troubles.
I hope Hollywood never discover that Poland had a female king. The resulting abomination of a movie/show/whatever would be so disheartening.
Thank you for calling the year 2020 as “The year the world went mad”. Covid aside, it was the racial tensions that pained my soul in a way I can’t put into words, squeezing out something valuable inside me, which I hope to recover someday so that I can go back to participating in making the world a better place. The memory of those riots & ugly, nasty conflict are still too miserable to remember…
Great video man. I am a black man and I totally agree with everything you said in it.
This movie was a joke and allowed to be made for all the wrong reasons.
You should do better research many thing he said were BS. He doesn't know the history
@@admirekashiri9879 could you offer a couple of examples?
@@admirekashiri9879please give us examples, or are you perhaps saying this because this UA-camr committed the horrendous crime of speaking ill of a "black female led film"??? No examples, no reason to take your complaints seriously. From what I've heard he seems to know quite a bit about history, unlike you who would easily tear down what he said without any rebuttals.... Do better man.
@@OneClassicalLass I'm not going to repeat myself. Look at the other thread you trolled on. Or scroll down to comments from 5 months ago. You'll see my original comments.
Always one, I think youtube hires them.
and for me when i saw the previews and trailers I once again noticed that every one of the costumes was in perfect condition, the actors were always clean in every scene and they all looked healthy and well fed.
HAve a look at "jabberwocky" an early monty pythin movie set in medieval england, the actors were covered in mud and lived in shit houses and ate potatoes. They looked like they would die if they sneezed.
That was part of the fetishization of these people. They were morally and physically immaculate.
@@DespotofAntrim It seems to be the case in so many movies and TV series now, the dry cleaning budget must be huge, the wild wild west , with a tailor and a barber
Well, they cleaned if you didn't know. As did medieval people from Europe but Hollywood doesn't usually represent that. Can't blaim one film for that now.
No, Sony knew exactly what they were doing, .....as does Disney, as do all the rest. They are NOT out to maximize profits. These movies are meant to piss people off and meant to cause division. How the world really works is foreign to most. What... did we really think the studios just forgot how to make a good movie for 10 years. This woke stuff has happened SO MANY TIMES,.... it's obviously on purpose. There's a lot more to understand that I can't explain in a box.
Been subbed for years. Cheers.
Great commentary on such an atrocious film. I also love how scenes from a truly brilliant historical masterpiece "12 Years a Slave," was used in juxtaposition against the blasphemy of "The Woman King." Also, a movie that was far superior to this film was "The Free State of Jones," which did alter some details and might have omitted a few others, it was still closer to the true story then what was just recently released.
12 years a slave isn't historical
Hey thanks for the excuse to rewatch this, it was even better than I remembered it. It was really gratifying to see my black bretheren did not fall for the BS this time. The holywood formula is so cheap and trite and assumes everyone is just a complete fackin idiot with no ctitical thinkiing skill it is always nice to see them overreach and be offensive to even people they think of as the beneficiaries of their revisionism.
You forgot one movie set in Africa that was not only good, but a box office success: The Lion King, and I mean the original not the shameless remake that took out everything that made it great. On another note, there is a special place in hell for the Dahomey, especially their Slave King for all the atrocities they committed.
It doesn't have black African humans so.thats why it's successful. I bet you that's his conclusion.
@@admirekashiri9879wait….then what’s Rafiki?
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 Funny… too bad you’d never have the balls to say such a comment in real life.
@@admirekashiri9879 it’s a good joke 😂
I love your essays. So humorous and well-thought. Keep going brother ❤
Thank you, glad you're enjoying them.
Yes, it's true. Thanos tries to invade Ireland.
I strongly dislike movies where women have to act more like men than the men themselves. Ugly facial grimaces that represent heroism have the opposite effect and only become laughable.
I kinda want to see Thanos try to conquer Ireland movie
It would be boring, the place isn't worth conquering, unless you like fields and sheep.
@@DespotofAntrim I wanna see thanos get blown up by car bombs tho
@@DespotofAntrim Maybe Thanos would want their alcohol?
God dude. There are a lot of UA-cam channels who do what you do, but you are easily the funniest one I've come across.
Sad thing is I feel like it *might* have been a good movie. If they showed the utter cruelty and reality of Dahomey while having a terrifyingly charismatic cast of villains with some dapper Brits and French to gawk in horror and try to manipulate it could work.
I say this because that's what the 1980s Shaka Zulu series did and it's one of my favorite shows! It mixed the myth of Shaka with reality and presented it in an ambiguous way, it didn't shy away from the crimes of Shaka, and it also showed the British both being there to react in horror and try to steer things a bit in their favor.
But instead they made what could have been a savagely dark and beautiful question as to the inherent cruelty of mankind and turned into something about race where it didn't exist
if they leaned into the complicated reality of it it could have been really interesting
The film isn't about the Frano Dahomey war its about the Dahomey's conflict with the Oyo empire in 1823.
@@admirekashiri9879 I know, again why not have foreign observers there? Have them watch in horror as they witness the utter barbarity of both empires, and all the while the British try to convince the Dahomey not to engage in slavery to no avail?
Hell, if they wanna make it political, why not have it be a question of interventionism? At the time the British were spending billions of modern pounds paying for anti-slavery patrols, a debt they only recently paid off. All the while several foreign observers talk among themselves whether or not their nations should get involved, and save the African from the African? The same reasoning that was used to spear-head colonization efforts.
@gasmonkey1000 It's an African war it didn't concern them. Why would there be any observers when historically there weren't any? It would have been best to focus on the conflict while educating people about the dynamics of African politics and militaries back then. Showing people there was no Pan Africanism back then and how slavery worked. The film was just a watered down cheap retelling of the conflict notjing to get triggered about.
@@admirekashiri9879 A lot of Europeans were around the area, some Portugese and a few British missionaries if memory serves.
As for the movie itself... it's not just a cheap retelling. It'd be like if someone made a WW2 movie that depicted the Nazis as being against discrimination and depicted the SS as being effective. It's complete and utter revisionism
I have never got why we get blammed, Africa and the Arab nations had been doing it for 100's of years.
Arabs are white also even if they weren't White just because somebody else. Something bad that doesn't mean what you did is any less bad imagine somebody killing two people saying that their trial I do have never got why I'm getting blamed for this Jeffrey Dahmer killed 40 its a cop out
THousands
well, to tell the truth, we wouldn't get blame if we were not blaming ourselves permanently in the first place. We replaced chrisitanity and/or national history with the cult of oppressed minorities as our new western religion. A society cannot function without sacred and idols. Another reason why the arabs get it off so easily, is that since they castrated all boys, theve no black diaspora in their countries to demand memorials. Plus, islam says it's ok if they were not muslim.
It’s kinda like that movie where Adolf Hitler tries to save all the Jews, based on a true story
This video is criminally underrated and I died of laughter at 15:24
the fact Viola Davis said in interview "If you don't come to see this movie, you're racist" that is unbelievable lol. It's because of audiences that you make money. Where did this come from, this idea, that they can choose their audience?? That was never how it worked.
In all seriousness, I'm surprised that BlackHawk Down was a flop. I actually enjoyed that movie
"Look what I've got... yep, two of THEM in my car right now! Look how superior to you I am!"
that's just so weird!
That the wind that shakes the barley reference genuinely cracked me up
On an unrelated note, Kim Kardashian and Kris Humphries' marriage lasted for 72 days. Meanwhile, the CHOP/CHAZ lasted a measly 24 days.
Let me repeat that: Kim Kardashian's first marriage lasted three times-THREE TIMES longer than the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone.
How pathetic is that?
I FORGOT ABOUT CHAZ! That crap was so funny!
The nation was lost, but the revolution lives on.
They should've called it SPAZ, but they really didn't need to. We knew.
A moment of silence for the fallen crops of the chaz gardens
Love your content man, funny as hell 😂 and well put together! 😃
Rewriting history has begun. 'Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it' never been truer for today
Took me too long to realise I'd watched this already
I'm so happy this actually bombed and the mentions of it breaking the box office were lies...just like the movie
“The Woman King” has a 99% audience rating on Rotten Tomatoes. That’s higher than “The Shawshank Redemption”.
A completely legitimate and believeable score for a middle of the road war fantasy.
What audience?
That's crazy...
One of the rare instances where the British were the good guys and they depict them as bad...
Viola Davis should be punished for this movie.
Holy Sh*t I hope you continue making vids because everyone was presented with nuance and wit. No doubt you'll have plenty of content
Based on the poster and clips, I'm impressed at the level of excellence of Dahomey hairdressers. Maybe the film should've been about their ground breaking work inventing perms, straighteners, etc....or maybe that wasn't historically accurate either
So you think they didn't have different hair styles?
@@admirekashiri9879 I think they didn't have perms
@@Madmax-rz5hz Are you sure about that?
@@admirekashiri9879 I just googled it. Perms by chemicals were invented in the US in the early 1900s
@@Madmax-rz5hz well I'm not referring to that lad. There were methods used to curl hair in Africa that predate the 1900s.
Dude, sincerely. You deserve way more subs. I've been binging your videos for the last few days. Excellent stuff! Keep at it and you'll get there.
Thanks for the binge, and the encouragement.
When i looked at it on my streaming site, the description said "based on an alternate history....." It's hilarious that they aren't even claiming that's its loosely based on real life, at least no more than Rick and Morty is.
Don't give Hollywood ideas, Zulu vs Predator would be a sure fire hit.
Yeah but that sounds kinda cool. Better than the one about the feminist Indian girl somehow beating the predator.
Golden as usual. So glad a man of wisdom and comedy is from my land. (Or has my accent)
Memory and personality uploads would be insanely scary. You can just mass produce cybernetically engineered human bodies and just keep sending them to battle, then send an upload upon inevitable death or simply recover a sort of biological hard drive that can be used to revive people, functionally making humans immortal. The purging of the worst of humanity would be in effect and a complete dystopian future would be inevitable.
I don't think it would be that simple, there would be massive psychological trauma associated with dying. Battlestar Gallactica examined that idea.
I have just got to point out that the movie with Thanos inserted in it, "The WInd that Shakes the Barley" is a powerhouse film about how shit the Irish were treated by the English and the start of the Republican Army fightback. A truly excellent film, one that I watch every couple of years or so, and I recommend it to everyone
Happy chrimbo despot, I think 2023 will be a big year for the channel!
Merry Christmas! Thanks for the good wishes.
@@DespotofAntrim Great Video. But Karen is an anti-white racial slur and you should stop using it. That word is just one of the many attacks happening on the"evil whites"...
In particular it's been used to describe any woman of European descent who has come to the extremely obvious conclusion that almost everything in modern society is broken in one way or another.
Did the writers not know there is a giant monument in Nigeria to the victims of these people's campaigns of murder and enslave?
Also I find it ironic the most successful movie set in Africa is used by the Despot to illustrate a point. 1964's Zulu, which does its best to just tell what happened at Rourke's Drift, not making either side good or bad. Just a few things have some poetic license taken with an eye towards enhancing the feelings over the events.
The only black person I know that fell for the women king is my mom that reads a bunch of rubbish and lived in cailfonia for so long the smog rotted her brain cells and is only becoming more insane year after year.
Woman king is historical fixing. Most of you triggered don't know or understand the full history.
Two question for everyone, has anybody watched a real good film in the last 10 years? Next does anybody fear a label these days?
I stopped watching movies over 10 years ago, and the only labels I fear are the ones I forget to take off my new clothes.
I honestly feel like I’m being lumped into the group that like this movie cause I’m black. The woman king and Wakanda forever were horrible movies. These movies doesn’t nothing but openly disrespect black men. You’re not racist bro this movies are trash
How did Woman King disrespect us black men exactly?
@@admirekashiri9879It doesn't have to. You disrespect yourselves.
@@emilyadams3228 😂 if you say so.
Now I understand about admire. Gotcha.
@@als3022 Understand what exactly??
Movies set in Africa might be more successful if they didn’t include a hamfisted message about slavery, colonialism, or apartheid.
An African story separated from those themes? NEVER!!!
Frankly I was hoping this movie would bomb hard, while it didn't exactly make a profit it did still make enough to where idiots can argue it was successful when they don't understand how movies make money.
But yeah this film did one thing right, it effectively caused a lot of people who knew jack about slavery to learn first hand that yes Africans enslaved other Africans and played a huge part in the slave trade and had been for centuries. Sure there are those other morons who argue slavery in America was worse or America was built on Slavery, but a lot more learned the truth.
Excellent point. This movie had the complete opposite effect to what was intended.
I'm usually one to roll my eyes at people complaining about SJWs, wokeness and the like...but I make an exception for this. Was it too hard to make a movie about the Kingdom of Axum/Ethiopia? You know, one of the only African countries never to be colonized? The ones that humiliated the literal fascist?
I guarantee you this guy in the videos and others would be complaining about that project too.
That would take actual research and effort, ergo Hollywood is incapable of doing it.
@@admirekashiri9879 that depends on how that would be made. If it's an afro-centrist version of "the patriot" or "braveheart" yep, we would be complaining (or rather, the italians in that specific case would be complaining) like there was an uproar in Britain about "the patriot". If you make a vitriolic, anti-X movie that glorify yourself at the expense of X, even if based on a real historical war of agression, with X being 100 % bad (except that one good guy) and you being 100 % good (except that one traitor) well don't expect everyone to cheer up.
Re-watching it for forth or fifth time and it gets better very time! Everything is top notch: the production value, the research, jokes... And i also dig your accent, can't quite understand, where are you from, but your voice is awesome! Still can't believe you answered me on the comment about my novel, by the way, means a lot. Keep up the good work, sir!
wow i actually woke up early enough AND youtube actually alerted me to this video a double miracle that is.
Torturing animals is certainly worse. Anyone who doesn't think so has a broken moral compass
I am so embarrassed to have been an American during all of this bullshit.
This movie disgusts me such an insane level. Instead of doing something involving a unified campaign of brits and africans against slavery they rewrite history to make the abhorrent slavers the good guys
i really thought that "but is it worse than racism?" would have been memed to death by now... a sort of Bart Simpsonian- "I didn't do it"
I actually liked the "flops" you mentioned. Time will tell. I think I've seen this video 4 times. Love it!
This is truly a wonderful video that should be seen by everyone and I'm so sorry that there's not any more people that have watch this but there needs to be a million views or more on this video
Thanks for saying so but videos that get demonitized and age restricted have no chance.
It really isn't he is talking nonsense about Africa and not looking at the full picture.
@@OneClassicalLass 😂 You asked for an example and then answered yourself Wtf?
@@OneClassicalLass Anyway, this was my response to the video originally. If I'm wrong, feel free to debunk me, lad. I'll wait.
"Woman King was based on the Dahomey Oyo war of 1823. It's a fictionalised retelling, so obviously not accurate, but many elements in the film are accurate. The history of Dahomey is controversial but also strongly misunderstood. It wouldn't have been my first choice to make an African historical epic film on since few people know the full history and understand what was happening in the period.
7:45 - 7:55 The film is about the Dahomey's conflict with the Oyo empire in 1823 this took place decades before the Franco Dahomey War so why would they show the French defeating the kingdom when it hadn't haplen yet?
18:37 - 19:42 Wrong kind because? You claim low technology based on what research? They had iron, steel, and adopted firearms, so how are they stone age with no technology exactly?
The Dahomey kingdom wasn't a simple tribe with no technology, no costumes, no religious practices, etc. So what are you talking about? Just say because it's full of black people and African folks, people like yourself don't like want to watch such stories because you're not interested. Africa had civilizations and different forms of architecture and splender. If you don't know the history of this continent, then it's best not to talk."
That was one of the best anti-climactic driven intros into a UA-cam video I have ever seen! Great execution! 🤣🤣
Apology lunch is reaching a level of cuckoldry I didn’t think was possible 😮
I just watched the WOWA video, and now I'm watching this, and now I'm subscribed.
EDIT: 24:19 Why is 'not' and 'crime' in quotes? Doesn't that imply sarcasm and thereby invert the meaning?
Omg... I want to see that Thanos in Ireland movie...
Thank you for educating people and illustrating the truth !!!!!
Confused me for a hot minute. I thought this was new until I watched the rest of the video. Thank god it's up again lol.
Ive only just found your channel today, & now wondering why i haven't stumbled across/been told of it before. I love it bro. Excellent. Quality. Thank you.
Oh 2020. A true dumpster fire of a year. Among the things that died that year was my thing for Viola Davis.
Me hearing about "the woman king:
Also me: isn't a "woman king" just a queen?
If you can have a man queen, you can have a woman king.
The title is based on a word from the Fon language they translated to Woman King. There was a historical figure called Princess Hangbe who had that title.
@@admirekashiri9879that could be true. But it doesn't make it any less fkn stupid, and grammatically incorrect
@@yashamaga13Oh well 🤷🏿♂️
"Aliens vs Africans" sounds like surprisingly interesting gig 😂
It's got Africans, so according to this guy, no one will watch, and it will flop
Boy I’ll bet that Rotten Tomatoes lost a lot of credibility when they gave The Woman King 100 percent from critics
RT lost a huge amount of credibility last year.
@@DespotofAntrim yes yes they did n with good reason
RT was always shil media, why would anyone give any credence to it!
This is one of the best videos I have seen.
Great content.
Subbed.
Thanks, I appreciate the sub!
Despot of Antrim, you are sooo good! I've been watching your vids on repeat for weeks. I've never done this with any other youtuber, ever. Please keep up the great work! I wish for much prosperity for you and yours.
The "Sony execs" were hilarious!! 🤣😂 Subscribed!!
Thanks! Welcome.
As an American, I take responsibility for Hollywood.
As soon as I saw the re-upload I knew it must have been taken down by UA-cam. The truth hurts I guess.